ESPN hits an new all-time low!

[yeahravens]

First they bombarded us with all of the T.O. idoicise, then after Barry Bonds testified to taking steroids they give him his own show. Now, this evening they broadcasted a town meeting to discuss the plight of Michael Vick, an admitted felon, who just got idicted with more charges. Somehow what he did (torturing innocent animals on a daily basis so he and his other demented clan could bet on which animal dies first) got lost because he can run fast and became a mediocre quarterback.

If any of you have a conscience you would stop watching that network and boycott any of the sponsors. Oh yeah, it was just a dog right? It is ok that from birth these animals were tormented, and then allowed to be killed for sport. I'm sorry, this is about race. Had he been white he never would have been charged.

Honestly, if you believe that you are sick and have serious issues with reality. In addition, if you want your kids to be poor sports, cheaters, and abusers of animals, please buy them a jersey. I also sincerely hope your children all become an exceptional athelete, because isn't that what is most important?

ESPN the worldwide leader in providing the degenerant a stage!

[purplepoe]

First they bombarded us with all of the T.O. idoicise, then after Barry Bonds testified to taking steroids they give him his own show. Now, this evening they broadcasted a town meeting to discuss the plight of Michael Vick, an admitted felon, who just got idicted with more charges. Somehow what he did (torturing innocent animals on a daily basis so he and his other demented clan could bet on which animal dies first) got lost because he can run fast and became a mediocre quarterback.

If any of you have a conscience you would stop watching that network and boycott any of the sponsors. Oh yeah, it was just a dog right? It is ok that from birth these animals were tormented, and then allowed to be killed for sport. I'm sorry, this is about race. Had he been white he never would have been charged.

Honestly, if you believe that you are sick and have serious issues with reality. In addition, if you want your kids to be poor sports, cheaters, and abusers of animals, please buy them a jersey. I also sincerely hope your children all become an exceptional athelete, because isn't that what is most important?

ESPN the worldwide leader in providing the degenerant a stage!

It was flat out embarassing.

ESPN should be ashamed.

Words cannot describle how bad that whole thing was.

Incredible.

They actually took a question from an emailer where the person asked Bob Ley to take a quick "applause" poll.

He first asked for the audience to show with applause who thought dog fighting ok and shouldn't be a crime. The majority of the crowd cheered loudly.

Then he asked for the people who thought dog fighting should be illegal to clap. It was very clear that they were in the minority.

I have no idea what ESPN was trying to accomplish by staging this crap, but one thing is for sure. It was a complete clusterf*** and it was beyond embarassing.

The crowd booed anyone who wasn't for freeing Michael Vick (there were many people wearing "Free Mike Vick" T-shirts) and even people just stating that what he did was wrong. Chuck Smith, the former Falcons DE and Vick's teammate for a year, couldn't even finish his statements without the crowd jeering him,

It was truly nauseating.

PP

[purplepoe]

This truly made Atlanta African Americans look bad. The crowd seemed like a bunch of thugs, who the majority approved of killing animals. This is not the type of publicity the avg black person needs. ESPN did a great disservice to the minority group. Hopefully most people can see this is not how most minorities think. They surely made this controversial.

ESPN did a disservice for having the damn thing.

The people in the audience did themselves a disservice. Nobody told them to act like that.

To say that their behavior is somehow ESPN's fault is ridiculous. They are grown adults who acted like children.

Im not gonna pretend to know what most minorities think. But I can say without a doubt that I know what most minorities in that audience thought.

It was disgusting.

PP

[Mista T]

I'm sorry, this is about race. Had he been white he never would have been charged.

:229031_confused2:

More liberal mumbo-jumbo. Get off it.:thumbdown:

[MikeinGlennDale]

Lilly White judgment.

Ever been to a bullfight? Where do you stand on bullfights in Spain? Is that ok?

How about the fact that other cultures eat dogs? Is that OK?

Is it OK to eat snakes? How about monkeys?

It's always been interesting to me to see everyone jump on their high horse and tell everyone else what is morally acceptable.

If you respond to this email identify yourself as either

A) Never served in the military. B) Never served in a combat unit in the military. C) Tree hugger. D) Why are you picking on me. E) Combat vet.

[yeahravens]

Lilly White judgment.

Ever been to a bullfight? Where do you stand on bullfights in Spain? Is that ok?

How about the fact that other cultures eat dogs? Is that OK?

Is it OK to eat snakes? How about monkeys?

It's always been interesting to me to see everyone jump on their high horse and tell everyone else what is morally acceptable.

If you respond to this email identify yourself as either

A) Never served in the military. B) Never served in a combat unit in the military. C) Tree hugger. D) Why are you picking on me. E) Combat vet.

LILLY WHITE JUDGEMENT????

Amazing! Have you ever learned to read? This about the practice of, ok, I'll slow my roll bro, THE DAILY TORTURE OF AN INNOCENT ANIMAL FOR THE PURPOSE OF GAMBLING AND KILLING. Sorry I couldn't put that in ebonics for you.

I guess OJ is innocent because he is black, sorry I missed that peice of evidence. This is not part of the food chain. People don't raise snakes and torture them daily, nor monkeys. Bull fighting is illegal in this country also.

Let's go with F) you are an ignorant person taking up for someone because of the color of their skin when clearly what they did was disgusting.

Maybe you missed where he apologized for what he did? I guess the MAN made him do that.

[purplepoe]

Lilly White judgment.

Ever been to a bullfight? Where do you stand on bullfights in Spain? Is that ok?

How about the fact that other cultures eat dogs? Is that OK?

Is it OK to eat snakes? How about monkeys?

It's always been interesting to me to see everyone jump on their high horse and tell everyone else what is morally acceptable.

If you respond to this email identify yourself as either

A) Never served in the military. B) Never served in a combat unit in the military. C) Tree hugger. D) Why are you picking on me. E) Combat vet.

It's illegal. Morals have NOTHING to do with it. Like the WHITE guy in out west (I forget what state) who is on trial for polygamy and rape. For him, it's morally acceptable. Who cares. It's against the law.

If you don't like that fact, call your local representative.

It's not about a high horse. It's about the law.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

How in the hell does a bull fight in Spain pertain to dog fighting in the USA?

Don't bother answering that question.

PP

[MikeinGlennDale]

Is it ok to fight scorpions if you are in Iraq?

[StingerNLG]

Is it ok to fight scorpions if you are in Iraq?

What???

BTW, I am very glad I missed this thing on ESPN, whatever it was.

[purplepoe]

What???

BTW, I am very glad I missed this thing on ESPN, whatever it was.

Don't you see Stinger?

It's the classic argument people use when defending Vick.

They ignore laws and try to justify it by using ridiculous examples like that.

PP

[Greg]

More liberal mumbo-jumbo. Get off it.
I think you missed the sarcasm, Ted. One thing bad about message boards, without the proper emoticons sarcasm, among other things, can get missed quite easily.


Lilly White judgment.

Ever been to a bullfight? Where do you stand on bullfights in Spain? Is that ok?
I am lilly white, pure as the driven snow. But I have never seen a bullfight in Spain or Mexico, but from what I have heard I don't want to. Then again, that has ZERO bearing on the matter at hand so who cares.


How about the fact that other cultures eat dogs? Is that OK?
Sure, as long as they aren't tortured day and night to make them vicious (or delicious) and then put in fights to the death, or maybe randomly tortured and killed in disgusting ways because they didn't fight well.

How in your mind is their a comparison?


Is it OK to eat snakes? How about monkeys?
Again, are they being tortured throughout their lives for entertainment purposes and then put in death matches?


It's always been interesting to me to see everyone jump on their high horse and tell everyone else what is morally acceptable.
You should be able to see those on their high horses since you are perched on one equally as high while you tell us what you find morally acceptable. Irony is a wonderful thing.


If you respond to this email identify yourself as either

A) Never served in the military. B) Never served in a combat unit in the military. C) Tree hugger. D) Why are you picking on me. E) Combat vet.
How about F)? A rational person.

[MikeinGlennDale]

I'm interested in understanding the emotional outbursts surrounding this issue. It's a mystery to me why this is so fascinating to people.

What does O.J. Simpson have to do with this topic?

Why was I asked if I know how to read?

What does ebonics have to do with this thread?

Thanks!
MikeinGlennDale

[purplepoe]

I'm interested in understanding the emotional outbursts surrounding this issue. It's a mystery to me why this is so fascinating to people.

What does O.J. Simpson have to do with this topic?

Why was I asked if I know how to read?

What does ebonics have to do with this thread?

Thanks!
MikeinGlennDale

You should be asking the folks at that ridiculous town meeting down in Atlanta tonight about emotional outbursts. The ironic part for me is that I don't like dogs and have never owned one. Never will. But I do like laws protecting them for being tortured and killed. And to see so many people ignore the facts and defend Vick when he admitted to this stuff is downright disgusting.

As to your other 3 questions.

1. What in the hell are you talking about.

2. The poster asked you if you knew how to read because your response was borderline insane.

3. What in the hell are you talking about.

PP

[RavensNTerps]

I still don't care about the whole thing.

Everyone loves the cute little dogs until their tottler gets bit by a pit bull.

Not justifying it either, but let's stop acting like he's Tony Soprano.

[Galen Sevinne]

I didn't see the show but heard an interview with sports writer from Atlanta afterwards. He stressed over and over again about how surprised and disappointed he was in his town of Atlanta. He was there and I guess on the panel maybe? Not sure but he kept trying to convince the listeners on ESPN radio that this reaction was NOT representative of Atlanta and that Atlanta is really an educated and affluent city etc. etc. etc. that these people that were evidently barking like dogs when asked to clap if they thought dog fighting should be legal were not what the average person in Atlanta thinks.

I imagine ESPN was blindsided by the reaction and probably regrets trying to give this issue more air time. This sportswriter though almost seemed traumatized when asked to desribed his feelings on the meeting...he just kept repeating how disappointed he was and embarrassed and how this just isn't Atlanta.

[purplepoe]

I still don't care about the whole thing.

Everyone loves the cute little dogs until their tottler gets bit by a pit bull.

Not justifying it either, but let's stop acting like he's Tony Soprano.

Who's treating him like Tony Soprano?

Nobody, that's who.

He's not going to jail for life. He'll probably serve less than a year.

The problem I have is with the people who think he did nothing wrong.

PP

[purplepoe]

I didn't see the show but heard an interview with sports writer from Atlanta afterwards. He stressed over and over again about how surprised and disappointed he was in his town of Atlanta. He was there and I guess on the panel maybe? Not sure but he kept trying to convince the listeners on ESPN radio that this reaction was NOT representative of Atlanta and that Atlanta is really an educated and affluent city etc. etc. etc. that these people that were evidently barking like dogs when asked to clap if they thought dog fighting should be legal were not what the average person in Atlanta thinks.

I imagine ESPN was blindsided by the reaction and probably regrets trying to give this issue more air time. This sportswriter though almost seemed traumatized when asked to desribed his feelings on the meeting...he just kept repeating how disappointed he was and embarrassed and how this just isn't Atlanta.

Im sure it was Terrance Moore.

And he should be embarassed for his city.

I dunno who else saw it but I urge you all to so you can understand how bad it was.

PP

[MikeinGlennDale]

Noteworthy that everyone selected a different option than what I afforded. I'll take that to mean that those responding have never served their country.

What does O.J. Simpson have to do with this topic?

1. What in the hell are you talking about.

In response to "I guess OJ is innocent because he is black"

Why was I asked if I know how to read?

2. The poster asked you if you knew how to read because your response was borderline insane.

Borderline insane? Really?

What does ebonics have to do with this thread?

3. What in the hell are you talking about.

In response to "Sorry I couldn't put that in ebonics for you".

Ever since this issue came up, I've addressed it as the 800 pound gorilla in the room everyone pretends isn't there.

The white bread and mayonnaise crowd has used this issue as a rallying cry for their agenda.

[purplepoe]

Noteworthy that everyone selected a different option than what I afforded. I'll take that to mean that those responding have never served their country.

What does O.J. Simpson have to do with this topic?

1. What in the hell are you talking about.

In response to "I guess OJ is innocent because he is black"

Why was I asked if I know how to read?

2. The poster asked you if you knew how to read because your response was borderline insane.

Borderline insane? Really?

What does ebonics have to do with this thread?

3. What in the hell are you talking about.

In response to "Sorry I couldn't put that in ebonics for you".

Ever since this issue came up, I've addressed it as the 800 pound gorilla in the room everyone pretends isn't there.

The white bread and mayonnaise crowd has used this issue as a rallying cry for their agenda.

1. Your list of options has no bearing whatsoever on this topic.

2. I apologize for missing what the other poster wrote regarding OJ/ebonics. Neither have anything to do with this either.

3. What exactly is the 800 LB gorilla?

4. Seems to me it's many blacks using Vick as a rallying cray even though he admitted to these crimes and took the plea. How exactly is the "white bread and mayonnaise crowd" using anything for any agenda? Your hypocrisy is pretty astonishing as well as your blatant remarks that would cause a firestorm on this board if the roles were reversed.

PP

[MikeinGlennDale]

For Greg...

"I am lilly white, pure as the driven snow. But I have never seen a bullfight in Spain or Mexico, but from what I have heard I don't want to. Then again, that has ZERO bearing on the matter at hand so who cares."

Yeah, you don't want to. The bull dies in every fight. The reason I brought it up was an effort to discovering the exposure of those commenting on this topic.

"How about the fact that other cultures eat dogs? Is that OK?
Sure, as long as they aren't tortured day and night to make them vicious
How in your mind is their a comparison?"

Do you eat veal?


Quote:
It's always been interesting to me to see everyone jump on their high horse and tell everyone else what is morally acceptable.

You should be able to see those on their high horses since you are perched on one equally as high while you tell us what you find morally acceptable. Irony is a wonderful thing.

Good on you...yup guilty as charged

Quote:
If you respond to this email identify yourself as either

A) Never served in the military. B) Never served in a combat unit in the military. C) Tree hugger. D) Why are you picking on me. E) Combat vet.
How about F)? A rational person.

Why not A). with the caveat that I am F) A rational person?

Just a footnote.

Thanks!
MikeinGlennDale

[Art-Florida]

Mike and Marcus, a fine pair of genetic mistakes. Faulty chromosomes. After the prison term is over, neutering would be appropriate.

Any entity that deliberately causes pain and death to another creature for "fun" is an aberration and should be prevented from breeding more of its kind.

[UKRavenStockers]

I'm sorry but people comparing dog fighting to bull fighting clearly don't know the first thing about bull fighting or don't want to see the obvious differences between the two.

[yeahravens]

Lilly white, mayonaise....

It kills me that racial comments like that are not addressed by anyone anywhere! If a white person was to say anything like that they would be shut down, fired, kicked off the site.

Now MikeinGlenDale is clearly an suffering some kind of head trauma, must be from being in the military as he has so sublty tried to infer.

Back to the point, it has gotten so ridiculous (thanks to media outlets like ESPN) that people can now get public support for killing people, animal abuse, stealing, taking drugs, poor sportsmanship, and saying inappropriate things ONLY IF THEIR SKIN IS BLACK! If you are white, you can't say anything that even suggests race. Correction, you can say things that may suggest an asian, mideastern, or hispanic reference, but not black! It doesn't even matter if what you are saying is a historical fact, not meant as a slur, or a socialogical theory. If black comes up, nappy is uttered, you should lose your job!

Chris Rock can use the N word, only because of the color of his skin. Point is, it is not the word that is offensive now, it is who uses it. If you don't say African American you will can hammered, and God forbid you say colored, because even though that is used in the title of NAACP, it is wrong.

How many AA's know who killed Malcom X and why? That is it in a nut shell. As soon as someone sees that it makes more sense not to seperate by skin, they get killed. So for you who choose to take a side based on skin, you are a moron, a sheep, and we all know how sheep end up.

[pyite32]

Why are there no articles about this event in the Newspapers? Anyone have a link?

Oh, and what does serving in the Military have anything to do with this?

[Rochardrik]

What???

BTW, I am very glad I missed this thing on ESPN, whatever it was.

I saw 2 minutes of it, Stinger, and it was Abhorent! You didn't miss a thing! Espn will do anything to make a buck! They are unconcionable! After all, they carry poker and nascar!:rolleyes:

[Rochardrik]

Why are there no articles about this event in the Newspapers? Anyone have a link?

Oh, and what does serving in the Military have anything to do with this?

I take it that Mike has served in the military, maybe in combat. So, What does that mean? What does that have to do with it? Very Puzzling. The truth about dogs is that they have played a much more important role in the history of mankind than any other animal. They were NOT domesticated by humans, they domesticated themselves. After evolving from wolves, they would follow nomadic peoples around to eat their garbage, and eventually the humans befriended them. Since then they have herded our sheep and cattle, retrieved our prey, rescued snowbound persons, saved humans from drowning, protected our lands from poachers, borne our burdens, tracked lost children, and a plethera of other unmeasurable helpful to human things. When my daughter, Alaina was 2 and found her way into my pool area at midnight after all were asleep, my dog Carmen followed her and barked furiously until We awoke and found her placed securely between the 2 year old and the water. I would guess this is but one of thousands of stories like it.
Dogs have definitely affected how and with what speed the human evolved, in fact, it is believed there would be NO inuit population without them. Too many people who call themselves believers, think Man was installed as ruler of the animal kingdom when their source of mandate clearly defines man's role as "caretaker". There is quite a difference in the two roles!
I bring this rambling post to an end by saying, maybe not all animals are created equal. The dog has been, Truly, man's best friend!! They may deserve better than torture for amusement!:embarassed:

[HoustonRaven]

Im not sure which is worse ....

ESPN sucking the marrow out of the race bone yet again?

Or some of the posters in here who fall for the race card everytime it's played?

Who gives a rats ass who is white, black or whatever?!?!!? I want a white dog killer in jail just as much as I want a black dog killer in jail and I think everyone else in here does too.

ESPN through out the bone of racism and some of you in this board (yeahravens, mikeinglenndale, et all) fell for it hook line and sinker (an I dont get to use fishing analogies, so when it happens its a special moment in my life!). ESPN and the MSM love to pick the scab of racism whenever they can to get a rise out of some who feel the need to follow their lead like lemmings over the cliff. It's almost like your mind says "Well, ESPN made an issue out of it so then I MUST make an issue out of it too!"

Racism does exist. But I prefer to deal with it in more productive ways and not in the terms set by a network who gave us gems like "Who's Now?!" :insane:

[yeahravens]

Im not sure which is worse ....

ESPN sucking the marrow out of the race bone yet again?

Or some of the posters in here who fall for the race card everytime it's played?

Who gives a rats ass who is white, black or whatever?!?!!? I want a white dog killer in jail just as much as I want a black dog killer in jail and I think everyone else in here does too.

ESPN through out the bone of racism and some of you in this board (yeahravens, mikeinglenndale, et all) fell for it hook line and sinker (an I dont get to use fishing analogies, so when it happens its a special moment in my life!). ESPN and the MSM love to pick the scab of racism whenever they can to get a rise out of some who feel the need to follow their lead like lemmings over the cliff. It's almost like your mind says "Well, ESPN made an issue out of it so then I MUST make an issue out of it too!"

Racism does exist. But I prefer to deal with it in more productive ways and not in the terms set by a network who gave us gems like "Who's Now?!" :insane:

Good point Houston! It does fire me up, and maybe that is the point.

[deuce]

This "town meeting" was an embarrassment to humanity. I wasnt going to watch but had it on while I was eating then couldnt turn it off. I switched between my jaw on the floor and laughing at how absurd the audience was.

[flraven]

Like Stinger, I'm glad I missed it.

[festivus]

Down with racism.

Up with justice.

Next topic.

[HoustonRaven]

Good point Houston! It does fire me up, and maybe that is the point.

Me thinks you're right! :)

[Galen Sevinne]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3037175

Now it is reported that Vick tested positive for weed during the pretrial process.

[deuce]

Vick tested positive for weed in September...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3037175

[highwater]

I knew this thing was coming up but made a point of avoiding it, knowing in advance it would be terrible. Like PP said, ESPN should be embarrassed for arranging this -- in fact, if anyone in charge over there had a brain, they'd pull the plug on these town meetings, which are pretty stupid to begin with.

I have two questions about it --

1) Why did they do this in Atlanta? Did ESPN not realize they would be attracting a large group of Vick apologists that embarrass the rest of the city? And if they did realize this, do they have no shame?

2) How does Bob Levy, one of the last class acts left on ESPN, get talked into hosting this nonsense? It's almost like they are daring him to pull a Dan Patrick and say "I'm out of this circus, see you later."

Based on what I've read on this thread, my decision to not watch it sounds pretty good, because my blood pressure is high enough as it is.

[deuce]

2) How does Bob Levy, one of the last class acts left on ESPN, get talked into hosting this nonsense? It's almost like they are daring him to pull a Dan Patrick and say "I'm out of this circus, see you later."

Based on what I've read on this thread, my decision to not watch it sounds pretty good, because my blood pressure is high enough as it is.

You could see Levy getting frustrated with the audience almost from the get go. I felt bad for him.

[Baltoman07]

It reminds me of the Howard University students cheering O.J.'s not guilty verdict. It seems to me that blacks stick up for one another regardless of the crime or likelyhood of guilt. It's understandable, I guess, since the experience of blacks in this country tells them they don't always get a fair shake. The support for people like Vick does lead to a white backlash though.

[BertJonesMyHero]

highwater-
Bob did his best, but the audience ignorance was off the charts. They even went after the 2 AA panelists who blamed Vick. They booed The Humane Society, and the HS President every time he opened his mouth. One panelist mentioned that the man had devoted his life, for very little pay, to defending animals, AND SO THEY BOOED HIM as well.

The show was a farce. The audience was a joke. It reminded me of Showtime At The Apollo, where they hoot and holler and performers they don't like.

And now Vick is busted for pot.lol Too bad the show wasn't tonight.

[highwater]

Bob did his best, but the audience ignorance was off the charts.

I can totally believe that, which makes me wonder why he agrees to do garbage like this, because he's the closest thing ESPN has left that's a respectable journalist. I'm betting he expected the audience ignorance to be out there, since this was conducted in Atlanta, so why did he agree to do it? Maybe because ESPN knew they needed his credibility to at least attempt to pull this off, and they just told him he had to do it.

But as you said, it was a farce, and his presence alone couldn't change that. The whole town meeting concept, at least the way they do it, is a joke and they should just stop.

[purplepoe]

Now he tests positive for post.

This is beyond laughable.

Im sure the Vick supporters won't waiver though.

The saddest part is those supporters are the ones that he is continually taking a dump on.

PP

[copenhaggard]

Now he tests positive for post.

This is beyond laughable.

Im sure the Vick supporters won't waiver though.

The saddest part is those supporters are the ones that he is continually taking a dump on.

PP

Yeah, but if he was white, he never would've been tested...
:261695:

[yeahravens]

Yeah, but if he was white, he never would've been tested...
:261695:

Dude, was is really sad is that there are people who really believe that.

[Greg]

For Greg...

"I am lilly white, pure as the driven snow. But I have never seen a bullfight in Spain or Mexico, but from what I have heard I don't want to. Then again, that has ZERO bearing on the matter at hand so who cares."

Yeah, you don't want to. The bull dies in every fight. The reason I brought it up was an effort to discovering the exposure of those commenting on this topic.
But two wrongs don't make a right.


"How about the fact that other cultures eat dogs? Is that OK?
Sure, as long as they aren't tortured day and night to make them vicious
How in your mind is their a comparison?"

Do you eat veal?
Yes, occasionally, but I don't torture veal for fun. The diet fed to calves can be difficult for them and there are other issues, but none of it is purposely done.


If you respond to this email identify yourself as either

A) Never served in the military. B) Never served in a combat unit in the military. C) Tree hugger. D) Why are you picking on me. E) Combat vet.
How about F)? A rational person.

Why not A). with the caveat that I am F) A rational person?

Just a footnote.

Thanks!
MikeinGlennDale
That's fine, but I don't understand how being in the military applies to this issue.

[HoustonRaven]

I would like to go on record and say I DO eat veal and its delicious!

Nothing compliments a fine Napa County Merlot better than dead baby cow! :D

[RAVENOUS52]

Now MikeinGlenDale is clearly an suffering some kind of head trauma, must be from being in the military as he has so sublty tried to infer.

Hmmm, so if I understand you correctly yeahravens, military service causes blunt head trauma? No? You didn't mean it that way? You didn't mean to insult other servicemembers who are members of the board? You meant something else?

Try taking a chill pill, dude. You are WAAAAAAAAAAAY too high strung and excitable. Nearly everytime I read a reply from you, you seem to be screaming bloody murder at the top of your lungs.

Calm down and think about things before you angrily post them. Just a little friendly advice.:patriot:

[BertJonesMyHero]

lol
Nothing like a trip off to war to defend our country to make an old schooler laugh off debates related to a game of football.

:thumbup: :patriot: :usa:


PS- I think Bull Fighting and the running of the Bulls are terrible.

[Baltoman07]

I stopped eating veal when I found out the details

[HoustonRaven]

Former Military Policeman here .... cant figure out what serving (or not serving) has to do with this debate?

[Galen Sevinne]

This thread truly needs to fade away.:bag: