Is it me?

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Or did Steve McNair look like Kyle Boller in last years Denver Game?? Three INT's and a self induced fumble!! :grbac: Don't get me wrong, I think Steve is better and way more advanced than Kyle, but why does he get a mulligan?? I have gotten tired of everyone I here say that they lost it with Boller after last years Denver game:crazy: Give the kid a break.....NO MORE BOLLER BASHING PLEASE!!;) We are going to need him sometime this year:thumbup:

[ExiledRaven]

You can flame me, but I think Boller could really break out this year. He played well at the end of the year outside of Cleveland.

Against Denver McNair had plenty of time to make throws. Give Boller time and he'll be able to hit some deep outs and crossing patterns. Maybe I'm optimistic...maybe not. I've not entirely given up on him yet

[highwater]

McNair has a track record, so a lot of us have given him the benefit of the doubt, but it's been five games now and he has a QB rating of 67. That's pretty bad.

It's not just him, it's the whole offense apparently, but he hasn't improved the passing game like we all thought he would. We still have eight defenders in the box to stop the run.

Better playcalling might help. How about throwing deep once in a while?

[RavenTD]

I pray McNair can pull it together.And start clicking with his wr's & TE's.
We are due a little bit of luck at the QB position you would think.:grbac:

[FHRaven]

I posted this in the QB forum but Boller played better than McNair did when looking at the 2 Denver games.

Of course, in neither case did the Ravens score more than 10 points.

FHRaven

[ravenjoe]

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best! Steve is a proven winner (as demonstrated by our record), and Sunshine is still learning the rudimentary skills of being a winning QB. No disrespect intended; but I do not believe that Sunshine will ever be a successful winning QB, who can take this team to the promised land.

[Mista T]

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best!

Oh give me a break! :insane:

We are 4-1 solely because of an outstanding defense and Stover. McNair has been been a major disappointment. His two game winning drives obscured two straight games of 57 minutes of mediocrity. Otherwise, he has been average or below average.

Anthony Wright's and Kyle Boller's performances last season were as good or better. :rolling:

[RavenTD]

4-1 with the way our offense is playing,can quite easily slip away to a losing record when playing tougher opponents,with attacking/scheming Head Coaches.

Nothing we say is going to change anything.We are just venting our worries on a messageboard.

[FHRaven]

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best! Steve is a proven winner (as demonstrated by our record), and Sunshine is still learning the rudimentary skills of being a winning QB. No disrespect intended; but I do not believe that Sunshine will ever be a successful winning QB, who can take this team to the promised land.

I guess if the defense can shutout each opponent McNair can "lead" us to the SB. :grbac:

FHRaven

[darb72]

Gentlemen, please; the Ravens are 4-1 With Mcnair at the helm! Without him, they'd be 2-3, at best!

Prove it.

Seriously. You stated something as a fact and now you have to defend it.

So get to proving your statement Slick.

[ladyraven127]

Be nice darb :bag: Don't call people names.

[darb72]

Yes ma'am.:D

[ladyraven127]

Golly . . . this reminds me of the good old days when people actually listened to me :rolling:

[StingerNLG]

No disrespect intended; but I do not believe that Sunshine will ever be a successful winning QB

First, don't say "no disrespect", then call Boller a name. That's pretty hypocritical.

Second, please explain again how a QB with a winning record and a 12-4 home record is considered not a winning QB? If you want to get on him for the mistakes he's made, fine. Other than that, you're statement is factually wrong.

[PARavensJeff]

After his 1st 5 games, , I thought McNair had received 5 more mulligans than Kyle did in 3 years. All I have heard on WBAL or WNST is, "We wouldn't be 4-1 if Kyle was playing." I am sick of hearing it. People said we would have never won against CLE or SD without McNair, but yet they have no fact that can prove that. I am a Boller fan, the kid is tough & has never hidden from the media no matter how bad the game, unlike some of his superstar teammates in this town. I like McNair & was glad to see him come to town. But outside of the drive to open the season & the 2 comebacks, he hasn't shown much. I want McNair to succeed & I want Boller to learn from him. 1 day, Boller will not be here & will get in a system that is QB friendly & will be successful. Everyone will wonder why we let him go.

[duffybr]

I think the pass protection has improved this year even though the run blocking has deteriorated. Kyle might have more success behind this line. I think we will find out because McNair is taking 2-3 pretty solid hits per game and I think 11 of them is going to lay him up for a week or 2 .
Part of the team energy was that the players and staff beleived McNair was the answer at Qb and played with energy. Another game or 2 of the current offense and the entusiasm will wane quickly.

[ladyraven127]

Hmmm . . . I kinda think our passing game has suffered (:rolling: ) because our running game is pathetic (at least when Jamal is in there). I would imagine that teams have figured out by now that when Jamal is in, they don't have to stuff the line, which takes away any chance of changing the play (like that would ever happen) at the line of scrimmage. Or not . . . anyhoo . . . I'm thinking this thread should be moved to the quarterback forum.

[ravenjoe]

Prove it.

Seriously. You stated something as a fact and now you have to defend it.

So get to proving your statement Slick.

Prove it?! I stated an Opinion which I'll stand by until the Raven's record indicates otherwise. If this team Fails to make the playoffs, then the addition of McNair (in lieu of Sunshine, named affectionately after the QB in the magnificent film, "Remember the Titans") will have not improved this team's relative success over the last couple of years. I believe McNair will deliver! He has attributes which, in my opionion, have been sorely lacking at the QB position ever since Mr Dilfer was released.

"Slick"....hmmm, I like that!

[StingerNLG]

I stated an Opinion which I'll stand by until the Raven's record indicates otherwise.

Well, considering the games have already been played, and Boller hasn't played in any of them, your opinion has no fact to stand up to.



He has attributes which, in my opionion, have been sorely lacking at the QB position ever since Mr Dilfer was released.


Attributes? This is all I keep hearing. He has attributes. Well, where are these attributes? With a 67 QB rating, where are they? With 6 INT's to 5 TD's (didn't people like Oldfan complain about that with Boller?), and successive drives that actually go in reverse, just what attributes are we talking about? Maybe it's luck. Maybe that's the attribute. It's been more than 5 games BTW, it's been 9. Tell me what these attributes are please, because he's not taking them out on the field with him.

How come Drew Brees can put up a 91.6 rating with a brand new team? Matt Lineart held out of camp AND he's a rookie and even HE looks better with the Cardinals right now. Dante just got benched and HIS QB rating is higher.

[ravenjoe]

Let's revisit this when the season is over, and then we'll see who knows what they're talking about. IF the Ravens do Not make the playoffs, then this experiment Failed, and my opinion re. McNair will have been wrong; but to discuss the season outcome, before all of the "facts" are in, is pointless right now.

[Mista T]

Let's revisit this when the season is over, and then we'll see who knows what they're talking about. IF the Ravens do Not make the playoffs, then this experiment Failed

How about let's not wait until all the damage is done.:179421: Should we also wait until January to watch all the taped games before knowing how the team fared? The time to address the mediocrity is now, before any more damage is done, as the Ravens head into a schedule run against contenders. IIRC, we had a similar situation in 2000 which resulted in a midseason QB switch, although Tony Banks was playing better in 2000 than McNair is playing today.

Even Preston is starting to make noises about it.:embarassed:

:T2:

[larrylater]

How about let's not wait until all the damage is done.:179421: Should we also wait until January to watch all the taped games before knowing how the team fared? The time to address the mediocrity is now, before any more damage is done, as the Ravens head into a schedule run against contenders.
:T2:

That's a great point and it always makes me sick when I hear Billick or any coach say, "I can't comment, I'll have to see the tape". Huh?!? Doesn't this mean that you have zero ability to make in-game adjustments?? I agree that tape watching is valuable but most of the stuff is blatantly obvious and needs immediate attention. I mean if he's no longer calling plays and can't adjust to the live action without watching tape, why is he even there on Sundays?!? Ok, rant over. :bag:

[FHRaven]

Let's revisit this when the season is over, and then we'll see who knows what they're talking about. IF the Ravens do Not make the playoffs, then this experiment Failed, and my opinion re. McNair will have been wrong; but to discuss the season outcome, before all of the "facts" are in, is pointless right now.

We are discussing the facts. :grbac:

The facts are that the offense still stinks even after the "great" Steve McNair was brought in. You can stick your head in the sand but most of us prefer to discuss the team's performance and what they can/should do to improve it.

If we can't do that, why even have a message board? :insane:

FHRaven

[ravenjoe]

I do agree that the Offense currently Stinks, and it needs to be corrected before the Ravens think about going deep into the playoffs. My only point is that McNair is the man to drive the ship, Not Boller, In My Opinion! Hopefully, he is the man, and then we can all share in the celebration come January.

[AZRAVEN]

The only attribute I can see that McNair has, so far, is the confidence of the rest of the team. Ray is still bragging him up and if Heap slathers over him any more he will melt into a puddle right in front of his locker. I just wonder how long that adoration will last if he keeps laying eggs like he has been. If it doesn't, I fear this team will tank completely because they've already made it abundantly clear that Boller is not their guy.

[Ravens'N'Hoos]

We are 4-1 solely because of an outstanding defense and Stover. McNair has been been a major disappointment. His two game winning drives obscured two straight games of 57 minutes of mediocrity. Otherwise, he has been average or below average.


I don't know how Boller would've done in these first 5 games. But this article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501801.html) makes a pretty good case for how much of a difference McNair's clutch performances have made. Out of 34 starts, Boller has led only three 4th Quarter comebacks, one in the final 2:00. Granted - how many times were 4th Quarter comebacks needed? It doesn't say, but it's still a telling stat.

By the way, when people talk about Boller's record as a starter, why is it "Boller's winning record," but instead of talking about "McNair's winning record," it's "just the defense and Stover"? Of course the defense and Stover deserve the lion's share of the credit, but that was at least as true under Boller. The difference is McNair has shown far more comeback ability than Boller ever did.

Yeah, McNair sucked Monday night in Denver. But in the SD game, if it's a cloudy day, Mason catches the pass (downfield!) for a TD and we win by 10, not 3. If Wilcox holds on to the ball, he gets his 2nd TD of the game and we win by 17, over the league's best defense.

I'm not trying to make excuses for McNair, but I am arguing for more patience. I was patient with Boller for three season. I was not a "hater" - I was a wait and see guy. With the MIN and GB games last year, he almost had me. Then there was the CLE game, and it sealed it for me - Boller can be good but not consistently good.

McNair is coming off a season in TEN with a worse supporting cast, yet he produced 3,000+ passing yards, 16 TDs and 11 INTs. I still see no reason he can't do at least a little better than that here (just take away some of the INTs and that's all we need), given that he has better weapons. That said, the playcalling and the running game must improve. The way our offense is built, the passing game's success depends on the running game, not the other way around.

Give Musa and/or Mike the ball more often, and we'll see everything improve, including McNair. After 5 games (no, it's not 9, the preseason doesn't count), it's not even close to time to say McNair was a bad investment yet. I never said that about Boller through the 2003, 2004 or 2005 seasons, until the very end of last season, and even then I didn't want to give up on him, just see what other alternatives were available. If we were patient with Boller that long, we can be patient with McNair, given EVEN his recent record in TEN, for several weeks.

[Irishraven]

Oh give me a break! :insane:

We are 4-1 solely because of an outstanding defense and Stover. McNair has been been a major disappointment. His two game winning drives obscured two straight games of 57 minutes of mediocrity. Otherwise, he has been average or below average.

Anthony Wright's and Kyle Boller's performances last season were as good or better. :rolling:

Agree 100% - I have seen nothing from him to make me believe he is that much better than Kyle! In the game against the chargers, it was Heap who got the winning TD, he fought for every inch!

[ExiledRaven]

Fact is this: unless McNair changes how he plays or can get downfield with any type of accuracy or consistency, we're back to a stacked box and an offense destined for failure.

Argue all you want. The passing game is killing the running game plain and simple. If we can't do a double move because we don't throw it well or accurately, then no defender is going to respect it. Then we end up with a loaded box again because a defense only has to guard 15-20 yards of field tops, DBs cheat into playing like linebackers.

Boller's not great. But there is one thing I will say about him. The kid's mentally tough, and he's going to keep fighting. Bringing McNair put a chip on his shoulder...and seeing how this line gave Air McNair time to throw against Denver...well, that was 90% of Boller's problem!! He spend the vast majority of his time running for his life. You can't develop pocket presence when your center is falling into you right off the snap. It's not nearly as bad this year.

I am not saying get Boller in there....but if we see another game of 3 ints from McNair with general lack of accuracy, then I'm not entirely sure about sticking with him.

Jamal should be out now, but we all know he won't be :taz: Seriously, has he even looked decent outside a few runs in preseason and week one? Anderson and Smith have wildly outplayed him.

Billick sticking with who the team invested money in or who he needs to keep happy is disgusting. Perform to play, play to perform. If you can't do that, get out! :hammer: I don't care who you are, consistent sub 3.0 ypa running is wrong. Performing at a level lower than the QB you replaced is wrong, I don't care if your name is Peyton Manning and you come to Baltimore as a FA and through 5 games your stats are worse then who we bring you in to replace...might want to reexamine things. Granted, there is an exception for rookies, they need to develop, but Vets are brought in to be complete players who have experience and whatever else.

So we need to make a change...Brian Billick will you make it? For once, can you actually adjust before it's too late? I am not holding my breath. :thumbdown:

[ClericBlackDave]

Lets keep it real.


McNair is fine, for now. We're 4-1. I think some people are quick to hop on his performance (i am too), but he's 4-1 with some clutch drives.


That sad, statistically, Boller looked better last year than McNair looks now.


McNair needs to learn the system, blah blah blah. But our system isn't that complex. So lets keep it real.


He's the starter until something terrible happens. Or until he looks bad and, like Daunte Culpepper, through injury it gives Boller a chance.


I wouldn't expect Boller to come back and light it up either, because he's not that type of guy, he needs to get in a groove. So really, we're in a rock and a hard place if McNair can't start putting up the points we need.



Carolina is going to be a big test. We're at home, so no excuses. Who's the better team? Can we hang with the elites yet? We'll see.

[ExiledRaven]

Right, my question is how many weeks of cruddy performance is this going to take? Does McNair have to throw 3 picks two more weeks and have use lose 2 more games before a change is made? Does the season need to be effectively over before we try out new players?

I don't like what my gut tells me those answers are.

[AZRAVEN]

I really don't see what options we have, we are wedded to McNair and so we just have to try to be patient until he figures things out. With as vocal as the players have been about McNair vs Boller I honestly don't see putting him back in as a realistic option (unless, of course, it's an injury situation).

[Ravens'N'Hoos]

Does McNair have to throw 3 picks two more weeks and have use lose 2 more games before a change is made?

You act as if this has happened more than once, against one of the league's best defenses in one of the toughest road locations to play in.

[bobw2829]

Second, please explain again how a QB with a winning record and a 12-4 home record is considered not a winning QB? If you want to get on him for the mistakes he's made, fine. Other than that, you're statement is factually wrong.

What's his road record?

[ExiledRaven]

You act as if this has happened more than once, against one of the league's best defenses in one of the toughest road locations to play in.

I am exaggerating.

57 minutes of garbage and 3 minutes of good is not enough.

Outside the 1st bucs drive, and the two minute drill on SD and Cleveland....nothing.

Of course your respsonse will be "well, those are good things, we won those games, 'kyle boller wouldn't have been able to do it'..."

At any rate, with this type of performance, I'd rather have seen what boller could do...cleveland was bad, but he was looking better at the end of last year. You'd think he'd put up better numbers than the man he replaced.

"but we win games"

Well, then we're going to have to disagree. If we were going to replace Boller, Brees makes more sense. He's a long term answer, not some stop gap that is going to get us into the same old situation unless we can find someone else and develop them. I just don't want to get started.

Something got to give. 1st things 1st, Jamal needs to have a severely reduced role in the offense. Then we'll see if something starts to click.

[RavenTD]

What worries me,is that they reported Billick said he was happy with the running and passing when they came out for the second half.If you settle for second best,then get used to holding the wooden spoon.

The offense needs to open it up.And open it up quickly.Or once again,the defense won't have any strength left once the regular season draws to a close.

[RavenDavey]

The offense needs to open it up.And open it up quickly..

I think it gets opened up Sunday against Carolina at home!! :mad:

Hey.....count me in for the BASH club!!

[Ravens'N'Hoos]

If we were going to replace Boller, Brees makes more sense.

I too would've rather had Brees, but for whatever reason, our FO apparently didn't pursue him. If Brees was off the table, I was happy with McNair and am reserving judgement for now, as I did with Kyle Boller for three seasons (not that I'm willing to give McNair nearly that long).

I just have to wonder - If McNair put up 3,100 yds in TEN last year, 16 TDs, 11 INTs, why can't he do that here this year with better weapons (and get that INT number down a bit)? Or do even better? Even that performance, with our defense, would probably make us solid playoff contenders IF the running game also gets on track. That performance was just last year. He didn't have a major injury at the end of last year; he was well enough to play in the Pro Bowl. By process of elimination, then, these problems probably aren't about McNair's skills. He has the same skill level as last year. It must be about the process of getting accustomed to leading a new offense, the play-calling, the running game or (most likely) a combination.

[RAVENOUS52]

I've always supported Boller or whoever was the Ravens starting QB (Some of the original posters from the Ravensnest board probably remember my ill-fated "We Believe in Tony Banks" banner I took to the games during the 00-01 season:grbac:

I think that Steve McNair can and will turn things around in the coming weeks based on the reality that he has the offense's total loyalty and respect. They will continue to gel (in my opinion) into an offense capable of producing 2-3 TD scores each game, in addition to whatever our magnificent defense manages to score.

Trust me, being there live in the freezing rain to witness our offense bumble and stumble it's way into the first loss of the season definitely wasn't a highlight of my visit to Denver, however I am willing to give McNair a free pass this time because for the mostpart he's been able to limit the kinds of mistakes he made Monday Night.

I believe that #9 is as pissed off and determined to NOT repeat those scenarios as anyone surrounding the Ravens just based on the interview he gave after the game... Time will tell the tale, however...

[darb72]

Prove it?! I stated an Opinion which I'll stand by until the Raven's record indicates otherwise. If this team Fails to make the playoffs, then the addition of McNair (in lieu of Sunshine, named affectionately after the QB in the magnificent film, "Remember the Titans") will have not improved this team's relative success over the last couple of years. I believe McNair will deliver! He has attributes which, in my opionion, have been sorely lacking at the QB position ever since Mr Dilfer was released.

"Slick"....hmmm, I like that!

Goody, I get to verbally pimp smack someone.:thumbup:

Ok, you said the Ravens would be 2-3 at best with Boller right?

Uhmmm... last year the Ravens were 5-2 when the opponents scored 15 or fewer points. This year they're 4-1.

Guess what. That's pretty much the same record. Now before you go posting facts again, I'd suggest you actually do a little checking to make sure you're right.

[highwater]

Goody, I get to verbally pimp smack someone.:thumbup:

darb verbally pimp smacking someone who needs it. . . priceless! :thumbup:

[bobw2829]

Ok, you said the Ravens would be 2-3 at best with Boller right?

Uhmmm... last year the Ravens were 5-2 when the opponents scored 15 or fewer points. This year they're 4-1.

Guess what. That's pretty much the same record. Now before you go posting facts again, I'd suggest you actually do a little checking to make sure you're right.

Please don't compare last year to this year until we are at least half way through the season. It's still way to early to predict where the Ravens will end up this year.

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller. What does that tell you?

[bobw2829]

I am exaggerating.

Yes, you are.

[StingerNLG]

The phenomenon I find amazing is how even though we're basically looking at the same exact offense, except with yet another QB, that people actually still haven't gotten that the QB hasn't been the problem. And in order to stick their head in the sand and pretend things are actually better now, they have to start off with "Well, you know I hate Boller and I'm so glad McNair is here, BUT..........." It's baffling because outside of the fact that we've gotten lucky a couple of times, we're 4-1 and that makes people forget that our new QB has a 67 rating and can't seem to move the ball or finish many drives, two things everyone thught was going to magically start happening with Boller out.



What's his road record?

6-14. That's why he's only 15-13 career or whatever it comes out to. Yes, we know playing on the road was a problem.



The difference is McNair has shown far more comeback ability than Boller ever did.

You are aware Tennessee was 4-12 and 5-11 consecutively the last couple of years, right? How many times did McNair lead comebacks in those seasons?

This is the type of thing that irks me.



If it doesn't, I fear this team will tank completely because they've already made it abundantly clear that Boller is not their guy.

And I think he knows they feel that way. So what motivation does he have to come sprinting off the bench to play? Like it or not, Boller is done here. I would be shocked if he resigns when his contract is up. And I think any chance he gets to play until then, he's simply going to use the mindset of playing to audition himself to other teams. You have to figure in 2 years 3-4 teams are going to need to replace their aging Quarterbacks. Why stay in a city that hates him?

[StingerNLG]

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller.

That is the most factually untrue thing I've read yet.

[highwater]

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller.

Funny, I have never noticed that. I wonder why. Maybe because it isn't true.

[Ravens'N'Hoos]

You are aware Tennessee was 4-12 and 5-11 consecutively the last couple of years, right? How many times did McNair lead comebacks in those seasons?

This is the type of thing that irks me.


Sorry, but it's true that McNair has shown more comeback ability than Boller. Did you look at this article? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501801.html). Granted, that article was from before the Denver game, but the overall point still holds. By comeback ability, am I talking about games for Tennessee where they were losing by 3 TDs going into the last few minutes? No - I'm talking about keeping games close enough to get the win, and then actually getting the win. As this article says, "Last season, the Ravens were 1-10 when trailing after three quarters, and four of those losses were decided by a touchdown or less." Look at that, look at McNair's career and 2006 4th Q and last 2:00 numbers, look at how many times Boller has led a 4th Quarter comeback (3 out of 34 starts) and it's clear, for all McNair's faults, we're better off with him. Our defense keeps most games close, and McNair gives us a better chance to win those close games.

Now, I agree with you that changing the QB does not fix all or even most of the problems with this offense. The key to most of our existing offensive problems is the running game.

[bobw2829]

Funny, I have never noticed that. I wonder why. Maybe because it isn't true.

That is the most factually untrue thing I've read yet.

Sorry, but I saw it for myself in last year's Denver game.

[StingerNLG]

Sorry, but it's true that McNair has shown more comeback ability than Boller.

This is why I didn't read the article. It's a BS statement. It's hard to mount comebacks when you lose 11 and 12 games a season.


"Last season, the Ravens were 1-10 when trailing after three quarters, and four of those losses were decided by a touchdown or less."

And how many of those games did Boller play in? He's the one QB last year that DID lead a comeback.



Look at that, look at McNair's career and 2006 4th Q and last 2:00 numbers, look at how many times Boller has led a 4th Quarter comeback (3 out of 34 starts) and it's clear, for all McNair's faults, we're better off with him. Our defense keeps most games close, and McNair gives us a better chance to win those close games.

Despite having more losses in 2 years than Boller has in 3, you're still talking about an 11 year career over 34 starts. I hope to HELL that McNair has more 4th quarter comebacks in 7 more years on the field. That's a comparison I don't understand. On top of that, only 5 games in, McNair has already thrown almost HALF the number of interceptions as Boller. Does that stat not bother anyone at all?

No one is saying bench McNair. Well, maybe one guy here, but it's not me. We're sinking or swimming with this guy. And I am hoping that Sunday is the day all this crap gets put on the right track and we're talking about the offense doing a 180 and all of a sudden being as advertised. That said, he shouldn't HAVE to be leading comebacks, especially ones because the offense dug the hole in the first place. We should not be praying that the wind can carry that ball 50 yards because the last two SHORT passes were incomplete. We shouldn't be holding our breath over Todd Heap getting into the endzone because Wilcox and Mason drop balls.

Do you really and honestly have faith in our offense this week after watching the last 5 games? Because I don't know many other people that do.

[darb72]

Please don't compare last year to this year until we are at least half way through the season. It's still way to early to predict where the Ravens will end up this year.

Only thing I've got to say about Boller vs. McNair. When McNair is hit and falls to the ground he is helped up by his teammates. Can't say the same for Boller. What does that tell you?

Uhmmm... So when someone says it is a fact that Boller would be 2-3 in these last five games, that's acceptable?

Now for the second part. That tells me you don't watch a whole lot of Ravens games or football in general. Hey, you asked.:D

"And how many of those games did Boller play in? He's the one QB last year that DID lead a comeback."

The answer is two, I believe. There were four games that Boller started and finished where the final score was decided by less than a TD. Boller won two of those and lost two of them.

[Mista T]

This is why McNair had nobody open most of the game to throw to.

Excuses, excuses...... :laugh:

Receivers were open all over the field throughout the game, and he generally had ample time. Perhaps you couldn't see it on TV. It was obvious in the stadium. McNair seemed to just lock on his primary receiver, forcing the ball without enough zip on the first two interceptions.

Hopefully, he plays a better game tomorrow.

:mrt:

[StingerNLG]

No one has commented on how the Denver game witnessed a major change by a team in their defensive strategy in playing the Ravens. The Broncos played mostly to stop the passing game, daring the Ravens to run. This is why McNair had nobody open most of the game to throw to.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAH. You've got to be kidding me.

Old.....er.......Tex, McNair threw 3 picks and had a QB rating worse than Boller's Denver game last year. I'm thinking this is not really the place you want to keep trying to shove the anti-Boller stuff in.

Funny how last year Jamal's inability to run was never a factor in 2005's 6-10 season. But all of a sudden Jamal's the main reason we lost the game last week?

It's all too predictable, but still funny.

[StingerNLG]

but played the worst game I have ever witnessed any Ravens QB play.

You mean unlike last Sunday when you saw the best road game the Ravens ever played??


How bad would he have been if Denver had been playing the pass most of the time like McNair?

What???


I shudder to think about it but the game would have likely been a blowout by Denver.

Ya know that the Ravens only scored 3 points last week, right?

Hint: You're losing this arguement Oldtex. And you don't have a good example to back you up.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Good lord...not again...

[Mista T]

Old.....er.......Tex

and


You're losing this arguement Oldtex.

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Stinger: I'll have to put the "Mod" hat on for a minute, since the rest of them are likely still in Lot J finishing off the food & beer.:beer: Let's keep Old-What's-His-Name out of this this. New board & fresh start, we can discuss our QB preferences w/o discussing the opponents in the debate!

:T2:

Now ..... back to the debate! :grbac:

[ExiledRaven]

Knock Boller however much....I thought he did well after not playing at all coming in and being effective. Yeah, he threw the pick, but still, remember how cold he used to be starting off?

Really seemed to get things somewhat on track today. Yeah, he overthrew a bit, but it's given me a lot of hope, even with the insane amount of luck. I always hoped Kyle would play well, and honestly, it's killing me to see Leftwich and Grossman be so good, then to watch eli and rivers play very well in general.

If Boller can start the next game and can get a 60% completion rate 250+ yards, and get the offense to score 3+ TDs...then I say full-blown QB controversy.

However, I doubt Boller will play the next game.

Mostly, I think we need to play offense gloves off. Let the offense loose, attack the D, stomp all over them. If they can't stop the passes to heap over the middle, smack them over the middle with heap until it doesn't work.

Why we turn away from what we're doing well in a game baffles me. Delhomme went after Rolle all game because it was working. Why can't we stick with what is clearly driving the offense down the field?

Finally, I am sick of the excuses and justifications for McNair and bashing and blaming Boller for the same exact event. McNair's done well on some comeback wins, but to say he's led the offense to improvement is a flat out lie.

[StingerNLG]

Sorry T. But don't worry. I've taken care of that issue. You won't have anymore of that.


However, I doubt Boller will play the next game.

He can't. Not because of today or anything else. Steve McNair was brought in to be the starter, and he was paid royally to do so. Like I said before, someone would have to square that with Stevie B. When McNair is healthy, he'll start again.

[ExiledRaven]

right, that's kind of my point.

I hope McNair can get something going