View Full Version : Rolle and CMac Out? Ouch
jburns
11-02-2007, 04:57 PM
Rotoworld says Rolle is now questionable with a new problem related to his illness. It says Pittman and Ivy would start in his absence. Uh oh.
The Fanatic
11-02-2007, 05:07 PM
Accoring to This Article in the Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-ravensnotes1102,0,1161262.story?coll=bal_tab03_layout), it says it would be Ivy and Martin, not Pitman.
Pitman can't seem to find the field at all much less be elevated to start.
Regardless, if both C-mac and Rolle are out, I'd say we're pretty well screwed!!
Not real thrilled with our chances if it were just C-mac out, but both?:grbac: :grbac: :grbac: :grbac: :grbac:
I'm not even going to get into the Heap thing.
Dude seems to get hurt every year, and then can't seem to get on the field until he's 100% healthy (or damn close) which nobody ever is by this time in the season.
RavenTD
11-02-2007, 05:16 PM
Well that's a major hit on our chances to stop the Steelers.[Understatement].
Its just one of those years,where the stars align where all the do-do lands on you you.Being the Ravens.
2007- The year Raven fans just have to grit their teeth and bare it.
HoustonRaven
11-02-2007, 05:19 PM
Looks like that 9 point spread is pretty sound now
Ravenatic20
11-02-2007, 05:49 PM
If they are both out, say your prayers. If only one of the two is out, we can still come out of there with a win. Just have Reed help out Ivy.
jburns
11-02-2007, 05:59 PM
yeah, i meant Martin- not Pittman. Pittman won't be a Raven much longer
ravenjoe
11-02-2007, 06:10 PM
More importantly, I'm really concerned about Rolle's medical condition. This does not sound good!
Sounds like Ben Big will light us up through the air. Ed better play smart to not give up the big play, cause he aint gonna get help from the corners.
highwater
11-02-2007, 06:48 PM
This is obviously really bad news, especially if Pryce gets limited duty, as has been reported. With no real pass rush and a depleted secondary, we'll be in trouble.
This news about Rolle is disturbing -- they did a nice job of concealing whatever his illness was, which is okay since I guess it's really none of our business, but I thought he was over whatever it was. That fact that he is apparently still not over whatever it was/is is troubling.
Rayvens52
11-02-2007, 07:04 PM
I wonder if any of this is to just throw off Pitt, like the Pats do every weekend. Just a thought.
I'm not even going to get into the Heap thing.
Dude seems to get hurt every year, and then can't seem to get on the field until he's 100% healthy (or damn close) which nobody ever is by this time in the season.
I agree, but I just read a few weeks ago he started in his 25 game (possibly more) in a row and I was like what? It seems he never goes a full season without several games like this. Last year he was healthy throughout. I think it was a big reason for our 13 wins.
deuce
11-02-2007, 10:40 PM
Ouch is right. Could be a long night.
I wonder if any of this is to just throw off Pitt, like the Pats do every weekend. Just a thought.
I don't think Billick is smart enough to do that.
ravens138
11-03-2007, 06:16 AM
Look Folks let's face it we lose this game we are done for the playoffs. This would be our third division loss and put us two games behind the Steelers.
Don't know what Rolle's problem but our secondary isn't as great as everyone wants to say it is.
No to mention we don't play well at night away.
festivus
11-03-2007, 07:30 AM
The problem will flow to the pass rush, too. The blitzing packages will be severely limited by the fact that the backup cornerback(s) can't be left alone on an island, so safeties who might have been used to rush the passer or cover for LB's who are rushing, now must stay back in coverage.
All that said, Pittsburgh is *not* a team that throws a lot normally, and tends not to do well when they *are*. So the game is not actually over, yet.
Losac
11-03-2007, 12:51 PM
All that said, Pittsburgh is *not* a team that throws a lot normally, and tends not to do well when they *are*. So the game is not actually over, yet.
While they are a run first team, Pitt will take a few shots downfield, especially to Holmes. If we are not getting pressure on Ben, I do expect them to try a bomb or two.
The Fanatic
11-03-2007, 02:39 PM
The problem will flow to the pass rush, too. The blitzing packages will be severely limited by the fact that the backup cornerback(s) can't be left alone on an island, so safeties who might have been used to rush the passer or cover for LB's who are rushing, now must stay back in coverage.
All that said, Pittsburgh is *not* a team that throws a lot normally, and tends not to do well when they *are*. So the game is not actually over, yet.
Lemme tell you something.
I don't care what Pittsburgh does or doesn't normally do.
If we come struttin' out there without C-mac, Rolle and a limited Trevor Pryce, I expect Pittsburgh to come out bombs away.
It don't take a rocket scientist to figure out that our strength is stopping the run, and weakness is pass coverage.
Now that our pass defense is even more hampered, I'd consider their coaches bigger idiots then some of ours come off as if they aren't throwing first trying to set up some running abilitys for themselves.
You attack the oppositions weaknesses regardless of what your normal way of doing things are.
PurpleRulz
11-03-2007, 02:50 PM
My prayers are with Rolle. Obviously this illness is quite serious. As for Monday's game, I will root for my guys, but without CMAC and Rolle at CB positions, this is going to be a tough stretch.
WxKevin
11-03-2007, 05:53 PM
I'm not even going to get into the Heap thing.
Dude seems to get hurt every year, and then can't seem to get on the field until he's 100% healthy (or damn close) which nobody ever is by this time in the season.
Fanatic...I would have never expected this from you. Here are his stats:
Year Games Games Started
2006 16 16
2005 16 16
2004 6 5
2003 16 16
2002 16 16
2001 12 6
Every year? He had the one bad year in 2004 with the high ankle sprain.
festivus
11-03-2007, 06:34 PM
I don't care what Pittsburgh does or doesn't normally do.
If we come struttin' out there without C-mac, Rolle and a limited Trevor Pryce, I expect Pittsburgh to come out bombs away.
I agree. I'm not saying they wouldn't have success in the passing game. They probably would. I'm just saying, that's not their strength. I would be much more nervous going up against a team that is already built to shred you through the air - say, Cincinnati - because then it would be their strength against our weakness.
I'm not saying they won't hurt us with the deep ball, I'm just saying, that's not their strength, so there is reason to think there will still be a game to play.
darb72
11-03-2007, 08:03 PM
Guess we'll just have to win a shoot-out.
The Ravens offense is good for 45 points two games a year, so maybe this is one of them.
The Fanatic
11-03-2007, 08:59 PM
I stand corrected.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems everytime you turn around, the dude is hurt, or has some type of injury that makes him questionable on the injury report almost every season.
Ravenatic20
11-03-2007, 09:33 PM
According to Aaron Wilson, Blillick is saying that BOTH Rolle and McAllister are OUT for this weeks game.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems everytime you turn around, the dude is hurt, . . .
It's not just you. Hard to believe how much he has played.
ravenjoe
11-03-2007, 11:28 PM
Well, I guess we'll see what this team is made of come Monday night. Going to a Pissburgh homecoming without their two starting CBs is going to be tough. But, hell, this team put themselves in this position, so now they need to pay the piper, if they're as advertised. If not, the season is over. Monday night, homecoming or not, the Ravens have to play with a lot of heart and come out with a W.
UKRavenStockers
11-04-2007, 04:42 AM
Don't want to bring the mood down even further but if these guys injuries are longer term, this 6 week stretch is gonna get absolutely brutal:
- Pitt - Have the tools to take advantage.
- Cleveland - Passing game is absolutely humming.
- Cincy - Passing game has got the better of us with CMac and Rolle healthy and at their best.
- SD - As close to a week off as our DBs will get, LBs will have to be on form to stop Gates, but don't have a top end wideout.
- Pats - Dear god.
- Colts - Dear god.
We've known from earlier this season that Rolle was going to be week to week and if McAlister's injury is as rumoured, for his long term health it may be better for him to get surgery and comeback full strength next year.
I'm never in favour of tanking a season, but this six week stretch could do it for us if we're without Rolle and McAllister for large parts of it.
camdenyard
11-04-2007, 08:18 AM
So much for "everybody should be available except Wilcox".
I have no doubt that we'll stop the run, but given the gaping holes in the secondary I don't think it will matter. Rex better bring an A+ pass rush or we will be screwed.
WxKevin
11-04-2007, 10:25 AM
The problem with Heap is that none of our QBs can consistently hit him in stride. I am surprised how he hasn't missed more games with all the times he has landed on his back from a jump ball.
All we can hope for know is that we get a good pass rush on Monday. If the Ravens can get Ben out of the pocket than they can force him to make mistakes, regardless of who is playing CB. If he sits in the backfield without being touched, the Ravens will lose.
But you know me, it is never over until the clock says 0:00 and I certainly am not going to write this game off when the game is still 30 hours away.
The problem with Heap is that none of our QBs can consistently hit him in stride. I am surprised how he hasn't missed more games with all the times he has landed on his back from a jump ball.
All we can hope for know is that we get a good pass rush on Monday. If the Ravens can get Ben out of the pocket than they can force him to make mistakes, regardless of who is playing CB. If he sits in the backfield without being touched, the Ravens will lose.
But you know me, it is never over until the clock says 0:00 and I certainly am not going to write this game off when the game is still 30 hours away.
We haven't lost anything yet! Its gonna be tough, but if we can get some pressure on Big Ben we'll do OK.....
Rochardrik
11-05-2007, 09:26 AM
Lemme tell you something.
I don't care what Pittsburgh does or doesn't normally do.
If we come struttin' out there without C-mac, Rolle and a limited Trevor Pryce, I expect Pittsburgh to come out bombs away.
It don't take a rocket scientist to figure out that our strength is stopping the run, and weakness is pass coverage.
Now that our pass defense is even more hampered, I'd consider their coaches bigger idiots then some of ours come off as if they aren't throwing first trying to set up some running abilitys for themselves.
You attack the oppositions weaknesses regardless of what your normal way of doing things are.
I keep hearing that pass coverage is our main weakness, but I don't see teams putting up 30-40 points on us, by passing... it seems to me that our pass coverage is generally a strong point.
ChampRavens
11-05-2007, 12:13 PM
No Heap, Rolle or Cmac??
Ugg.. Outlook:Not so good.
I dont see us winning this. We are probably cooked.
If we lose, I think the rebuilding needs to begin. We will not make the playoffs, and have the worst QB/WR combo in the AFCN going into next year.
:grbac:
Gwaihir
11-05-2007, 12:32 PM
I'm looking for a little Monday Night Magic!
The last time we played in Pissburgh on Monday Night, we didn't have Ed Reed or Ray Lewis and Anthony Wright was the QB. We were 14 point underdogs and only lost on a last minute FG 20-19!
For some reason, I guess because it defies all logic, I expect the Ravens to give Pissburgh all they can handle tonight! We always play well against them, sometimes over our heads, and give them fits! Billick has won something like 5 in a row after the Bye, and I'm sure Rex has something dreamed up to cover our apparent lop-sided weakness at both corners!
Look for the Ravens to come out firing on all cylinders on offense and take it to them!!
metro
11-05-2007, 12:51 PM
What is the deal with Pittman? Is he healthy? He did well against Santana Moss in the preseason.
UKRavenStockers
11-05-2007, 12:53 PM
I'm looking for a little Monday Night Magic!
The last time we played in Pissburgh on Monday Night, we didn't have Ed Reed or Ray Lewis and Anthony Wright was the QB. We were 14 point underdogs and only lost on a last minute FG 20-19!
If Wright could hit the side of a barn from 5 yards we'd have won that game.
If memory serves, Chester Taylor made a couple of big plays in that one. Hopefully Willis can come up with some big plays and an all round performance to boot, we'll need it from him.