The Official Fire Billick Thread

[Beerracuda]

Same shit, different day. To make matters worse, even though we still had just a glimmer of hope at the end of the game, he lets the clock run for about 30 seconds with 3 TOs left!! WTF???


I've had it with this asshole! It's time to unload him now... right now.

There's gotta be someone else available to take over this team who can manage this team better. We've seen this same shit too many times over the past several years.

Enough Is Enough!!!!

[Ravenatic20]

Billick wasn't responsible for that 1st TO. Well... he was, but he put Ryan in charge of it.

[Beerracuda]

Well, that situation was just one out of many things that Billick has managed to screw up - not only this season, but for the past several. I've had enough of him. He needs to go.

Someone needs to explain to me how we can go every season with a piss poor offense, regardless of QB, Offensive Coordinator, RB, WR, OL, poor clock management, etc. To me, that only points to one common denominator, and that's Billick himself. He's the only constant over the past several years.

[Brandon]

I still hold Brian Billick accountable for the clock management regardless of whether he tells someone else to call a timeout.

How could he not see the clock was still running?

[Beerracuda]

I still hold Brian Billick accountable for the clock management regardless of whether he tells someone else to call a timeout.

How could he not see the clock was still running?

Exactly Brandon! Am I mistaken, or is it an NFL rule that ANYONE on the team can call a timeout, as long as one is available? If that's the case, Billick is TOTALLY responsible.

[Sephy]

I'm in. Too much of this clock mismanagement bullshit to let it go again. Cost us ANOTHER game today.

[Ravenatic20]

We didn't lose the game because of that one time management issue.

[Sephy]

We didn't lose the game because of that one time management issue.

Solely? No. Big part? Yep. Didn't get a chance to try for a winner because of it.

[Art-Florida]

No, on balance BB is an asset. Biscuit better hire a clock management assistant coach though.

[Merlin]

I'm sure that we'll hear how it was "in the profile" to let the 30 seconds run off the clock

This team needs to open it up -- have the pass open the run and start Musa

[FadeToBlack]

Someone should get fired for that. Billick gets my vote.

[Beerracuda]

I second that motion.

Amen brother!!

[FHRaven]

It's hard to understand how every Raven's fan watching the game knows you need a TO there but no one on the coaching staff seems to. :embarassed:

FHRaven

[Purpleguy]

The pass can only open up the run if teams respect your ability to throw deep. Today we saw a touch of that with Boller.

Something has to be wrong with McNair's arm. We went down field numerous times today with Boller. We never do it with McNair.

Our second half running game was clicking. It may have been too little too late, but it was solely because we took the shotrs down field.

[darb72]

I'm on the hate Billick wagon. I've been fighting against it for a couple of years now, but I've finally seen the light.

Billick needs to be fired Monday.

[Dont Know]

Billick needs to be fired Monday.

I think Bischotti has said that he will not fire a coach during an ongoing season under any circumstance, not poor results anyway, so that's unlikely.

If I remember right it was during that interview he did in the offseason with him, ozzie and billick, but I can't check it atm so don't hold me to it.

[darb72]

I believe you, and I don't really believe in firing a coach mid-season unless you are in last place with no hope.

I'm just tired of all the stupid plays.

[Purpleguy]

C'mon darb, clock management aside, don't you think the playcalling was quite creative compared to what we're used to. We went deep on 2nd and 1, and it worked. We were attacking out there today. We started to see it at the end of last season with Boller. We then bring in McNair to play Dilfer ball.

I was actually impressed with the playcalling after McNair left the game.

[StingerNLG]

That was the absolute worst clock management I have seen yet from Billick. I can not believe no one could call a time out with 20 seconds ticking off the clock.

[Losac]

The clock management at the end was pathetic.

Defense got embarassed by Smith on that deep ball. Rolle was toast all day. The guy is not an elite corner anymore and should not be out on an island with the best receiver in the game.

Boller got lucky on 2 deflected fluke TD passes and the typical jump ball to Heap. He also under/overthrew plenty of passes and had the killer int when we were getting close to field goal range.

Plenty of blame to go around in this one. This team is shaping up to be a major disappointment with a tough schedule coming up after the bye.

[BertJonesMyHero]

I agree and have been on the blame BB wagon for 2 years. I eased up after the 4-0 start cause I thought things would be different this year. But they are not been. And it is getting old.

The bottom line, however, is that at 4-2 and in 1st pace, fire talk will just be laughed at. If we sneak into the playoffs the same will be true. BB always seems to do just enough, or deflect just enough blame, to not get fired.

[RavenTD]

Don't worry,if Billick continues to blow important decisions like he did today in the game.Then he will be looking for a job elsewhere in the NFL at the end of the season.

Wonder if Parcells wants to get out of Dallas?

[StingerNLG]

The playcalling was great until the second half. Boller drives the offense 73 yards and scores. And in that drive they only ran the ball 3 times. It was working. Like they just said "what the hell Kyle, go out there and throw the ball around".

All of a sudden, we're trying to run again, and we get:

J.Lewis left guard to BLT 47 for 1 yard (K.Jenkins, M.Kemoeatu).

J.Lewis left end to CAR 34 for -6 yards (N.Diggs).

J.Lewis right tackle to BLT 30 for -1 yards (K.Jenkins).

M.Anderson up the middle to CAR 40 for -2 yards (C.Draft).

M.Anderson left tackle to CAR 32 for -2 yards (J.Peppers, M.Minter).

And so on.

[darb72]

Stinger brings up a great point.

Everybody saw what happened when the Chargers took the reigns off of Rivers against the Steelers. They found out they have a pretty good QB.

We do that for one series and then it's back to plain ol' bad offense.

[RavenTD]

BB had a mental time out going on in his skull at that time, methinks.

[Purpleguy]

we were only down 6 at that point. You don't just go pass happy. The run was starting to work. We were picking up first downs.

[darb72]

It's an age old question.

Was the pass setting up the run?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

I really can't explain it without going back to look at the tape, and even then I doubt I'll find any answers, but why is it that we look good for a series or two and then start going backwards?

[52decleetzu]

Solely? No. Big part? Yep. Didn't get a chance to try for a winner because of it.

You can thank the defense for that one,when it was 3rd and 3 and we need a stop...AGAIN...the D let them convert...AGAIN.

Would have made no difference whatsoever if we had another 30 seconds or 90 for that matter we needed to stop them and we couldnt.

[ExiledRaven]

we needed to stop them and we couldnt.

And we're talking about allowing sometihng like a 60% third down completion rate on the team with the WORST rate in the league coming into the game.

That really really concerns me.

Defense is biting too much on short and underneath routes.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

What------ever

[crowdog89]

While I agree about Billicks piss poor clock management...it became a moot point for this game when the defense failed to stop the panthers on 3rd down during their last possession....

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

:iagree:
While I agree about Billicks piss poor clock management...it became a moot point for this game when the defense failed to stop the panthers on 3rd down during their last possession....

[psuasskicker]

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lol...

Boller was the only reason we were even in this game.

- C -

[AZRAVEN]

WOW, everyone was laughing at the meltdowns on the Steelers board when they messed the bed and we were running over the stiffs on our schedule now look at us..
The reality is this team wasn't as good as it's 4-0 record and the weaknesses that have been exposed the past two weeks have always been there, of course anyone who dared point that out was labeled a "pessimist".
Billick has always sucked at clock management, we knew our db's had some issues and we had depth issues back there, McNair has serious issues with arm strength (which is why some people weren't overly excited with bringing him here and giving him a fat contract) and got very lucky in a couple games, yes, I know so did Boller today. Rex Ryan's defensive schemes will win us a few and lose us a few and the one's he loses for us will be against good, smart football teams. Jamal of 2006 is not the Jamal of 2003, again anyone disagreeing with resigning him was labeled as not "loyal".
I don't profess to have the answers as to why we seem totally unable to correct the deficiencies that have been there forever but that's the situation. All I can say is as Ravens fans we just have to fasten our seatbelts it's going to be a bumpy ride ~ of course, the other option is to jump on another bandwagon, I hear the Steelers won today. :eyes:

[DrUnk]

Got my vote. This playing not to lose mentality is killing us. God forbid we play to win.:grbac:

[StingerNLG]

This playing not to lose mentality is killing us. God forbid we play to win.


And what Billick won't understand is that for part of this game today, when Boller came in, it felt like they just let it all hang out and "let the kid play", as we were chanting in our section when Jamal got hit on 2nd and 4 for a 6 yard loss; one of Jamal's frequent negative yard runs.

Billick is really starting to piss me off. Especially with the clock management at the end of the game. I mean, why give the offense, who had been actually moving the ball and the chains, any shot to make one more come back try?

[PARavensJeff]

Everyone in the stadium is screaming TO & they let 25 seconds tick off the clock. We might have gottent he ball back w/ 20 or 30 seconds to go if the call the time out right after the play. For years our offense can't manage the cloack, now we have to worry about the defense too.

[AZRAVEN]

I kept wondering why one of the players on the field didn't call time out.. aren't they allowed to do that??

[darb72]

Yes they are.

The thing that confuses me is that they called it 15 seconds after they should have. At that point they should have saved the remaining two timeouts and let Carolina run a play.

Mind numbingly stupid move. It's pretty much par for the course.

[PurpleRulz]

Those final two minutes of the game was just ridiculous. Additionally, why did we not go for the FG attempt? It would have been a long FG, but we have Stover.

I am not saying that we should fire Billick at this point, but I think we should just let his contract run out and then move on once these vets retire after two years.

[StingerNLG]

Additionally, why did we not go for the FG attempt? It would have been a long FG, but we have Stover.

I think they had a lot of confidence in Koch to pin the Panthers deep and give us a shot at a short field. Koch did his job. The Panthers had to start on their 6, rather than Stover possibly missing it and the Panthers starting on the 34.

Unfortunately the Ravens defense did not do their job. Smith had a 31 yard reception on that drive.

[Greg]

First off, QUIT HIJACKING THREADS. This is about coaching, not QBs.


The thing that confuses me is that they called it 15 seconds after they should have. At that point they should have saved the remaining two timeouts and let Carolina run a play.
Exactly, once the clock ran that long you pocket that time out and use it later. If we still had that one at the end we could have forced a punt and had enough time for a few long tosses.

[RavensNTerps]

OK first of all what really killed us was the damn offsides...1st and 5...no chance of stopping them.

But then, I understand not calling a time out at ALL after the one play, you figure the probability of a first down after 2nd and 3 is enormous. Save the TOs for the next series of downs.

That being said you either don't burn it, or you do right away. You don't let 20 seconds tick off and THEN use it.

[Ravenflash]

Honestly, what was the point of using the last two TO's when the game was already decided?

[85868789]

I have been a supporter of Billick through thick and thin. It is quite obvious that Billick does not adequately prepare his team for upcoming opponents. This has been his MO since post Super Bowl. It is just boggles my mind how we are so limited on offense with so much talent. I never would never have thought that I would miss the days of Matt Cavanaugh. Not only are we not prepared by game day coaching is an absolute joke (ie;clock management,poor schemes,halftime adjustments.etc). When will it ever stop. The only answer is to let Billick go if this team fails to make the playoffs. There's a chink in the armour an it falls back on Billick.

[ravensfan1996]

The 20 seconds that ran off the clock didnt cost us the game. The rolle fiasco did. It just doesnt make sense that you let the best reciever that wide open, after you just got your team back in the game.

IF we had called timeout and saved the 15secs, all the panthers had to do was run 2 yds for a first down and game, or if they punted we would have only had a few secs left if that.

[ravenwoman]

We have had several quarterbacks, new asst. coaches and the offense looks exactly like it did in 1999. I am totally convinced its the System. It's Billick's system and it stinks! I would hire Jeff Fisher if he is fired from Tennessee.

[Sports Steve]

I hear what you are saying. However if you do fire Billick who would you bring in here ?? That has to be thought before you fire a head coach.


:jester: :jester:

[Fanman]

The point of timeouts, in a sistuation like yesterday, is to USE them to force the other team to punt you the ball and leave you w/ some time left to run a hurry-up offense. Billick has never grasped this concept.

FM

[Bez513]

I hear what you are saying. However if you do fire Billick who would you bring in here ?? That has to be thought before you fire a head coach.


:jester: :jester:

Coaches get fired and more around and OC get promotions. There will be plenty of people to choose from from the NFL after the season.

If this season continues to fad Billick will be fired...he's on the hot seat with Biscotti as it is.

[Fanman]

Two prime candidates come to mind to replace Billick.

#1 Ken Weisenhunt...the Pittsburgh OC (this guy is awesome)
#2 Jeff Fischer...current Titans HC

Weisenhunt would be my first choice. He could do the job of BB and Fassel better and it would weaken a division rival.

FM

[postalworker]

I consider myself to be a very moderate Ravens fan. I rarely advocate doing anything drastic, I'm loyal to players and coaches, and I love the team. Stinger and others, I'm sure, would attest to that.

However, I'm pissed off. Really, really pissed off. There is absolutely no reason this team should have gotten embarassed in such a way the past two weeks. Absolutely NO reason for it.

I've always liked and supported Billick, but my patience with him is wearing thin, to say the least. It's obvious that he has literally no idea how to manage a game, and at this point, it doesn't look like Fassel's much better.

After the season's over, unless we see a remarkable offensive turn around, I want to see Bischotti clear house, at least concerning the offensive coaches. If we don't end up with at least a playoff appearance, and maybe even if we do, Billick and Fassel need to go. So does Forester. Hell, get rid of Neuheisel, too. Keep the defensive coaching staff intact- I like Rex Ryan, and while his aggressive schemes can get us burned (like yesterday) I think that for the most part, his schemes will win us more games than they'll lose.

I want to see Billick and his ass-backwards offensive philosophy go somewhere else. I want to see a new coach come in, I want to see Steve McNair either find the fountain of youth and grow a real arm, or retire. I'm serious- I thought McNair would be a great asset for this team, but so far, he has greatly disappointed. Jamal needs to go. Mike Flynn and Keydrick Vincent need to go. Chris Chester and Jason Brown need to have permanent starting roles. We need to upgrade the right tackle position.

I want to see Kyle Boller starting next year, again, unless McNair starts throwing the deep ball (or any ball) with some accuracy, and some fire. Boller's not perfect, far from it, but what I saw yesterday, and what I've seen over the past two seasons, leads me to believe that if the coaches would just let the kid AIR THE BALL OUT, like he's built to do, we'd go places with him. He can throw with some zip. He's mobile. He's not all that accurate, but that can be improved. His decision making has improved, and he is one hell of a tenacious competitor. Honestly, at this point, I'd take my chances with Boller over McNair.

I've been patient with this offense. It's getting old. Something needs to change.

All that said, I'm not just some reactionary idiot, and I'll support the team, regardless of who's coaching or who's tossing the pig skin.

[braven98]

the rope around his neck is getting tighter

[RAVENOUS52]

I was irate that the time was squandered (yet AGAIN), however I don't think Billick should be fired. Harsh language should be used at his next proficiency evaluation, however...

[larrylater]

Postalworker, that's a great post and pretty much sums up my feelings too. I mean how many years can you go with such an anemic passing game without changing things at the top. It's kind of laughable. Billick has gotten a lot of extra mileage out of the Super Bowl trophy, the ownership transition and the fact that he's such a "great speaker". When I think of all of the great defensive efforts that have gone to waste because of our pitiful offense, I wanna cry. Brian's a great PR guy and always will be. Unfortunately for him though, Bisciotti is shrewd enough to see through the bs. If we don't go far with this talent in '06, Billick should and will be canned.

[Raven31]

Everyone in the stadium is screaming TO & they let 25 seconds tick off the clock.
Including me. The people I was sitting next to, we're all looking at each other like "What the f*** are they doing?!"

[hurting]

Well, that situation was just one out of many things that Billick has managed to screw up - not only this season, but for the past several. I've had enough of him. He needs to go.

Someone needs to explain to me how we can go every season with a piss poor offense, regardless of QB, Offensive Coordinator, RB, WR, OL, poor clock management, etc. To me, that only points to one common denominator, and that's Billick himself. He's the only constant over the past several years.

you know the one thing you left out was O-line. The oline has been essentially the same SUCK ass O-line for 8 years now. As described ba an 'insider' ove at PFT.com "the Ravens O-line is Ogden and 4 TURDS".

[Fanman]

I have been ssaying this going on 4 years now: The Ravens will never win another Superbowl as long as Billick is the head coach. He gets less out of more talent compared to many other coaches.

Look at NE (Brady excluded)
Look at the Bears...are they more talented man for man than the Ravens?
Ditto for Pittsburgh

FM

[Sports Steve]

Coaches get fired and more around and OC get promotions. There will be plenty of people to choose from from the NFL after the season.

If this season continues to fad Billick will be fired...he's on the hot seat with Biscotti as it is.

It seems many are calling for him to be fired now. I know in between seasons there are other coaches out there tp pick from.

:jester: :jester:

[Fanman]

Sports Steve...how does this strike you:

Two prime candidates come to mind to replace Billick.

#1 Ken Weisenhunt...the Pittsburgh OC (this guy is awesome)
#2 Jeff Fischer...current Titans HC

Weisenhunt would be my first choice. He could do the job of BB and Fassel better and it would weaken a division rival.

FM

[sandiegosean]

I have been ssaying this going on 4 years now: The Ravens will never win another Superbowl as long as Billick is the head coach. He gets less out of more talent compared to many other coaches.

Look at NE (Brady excluded)
Look at the Bears...are they more talented man for man than the Ravens?
Ditto for Pittsburgh

FM

The Bears are more talented and the Steelers only have two wins. This team isn't as talented as alot of people think they are.

[The Fanatic]

Not much more to add that hasn't already been said.

We all know there are some serious ongoing issues regarding our offense and how it performs.

Of highest concern for me right now is that it appears Billick is losing this team.

Too much dirty laundry being aired out in public from players.


Jamal crying, Mason bitching, Ray Lewis vanished again.

This is not good at all!!

I agree that I think we are in the twilight of the Billick era, as we probably should be, but firing him in the middle of the season is not gonna help improve things.

Exactly who would take over?

I'm all about the names mentioned above by Fanman as replacements as well as a few other names that could be thrown out.

If you're going to fire the head coach, this would probably be the year to do it.

I don't see a whole lot of head coaching turnover this upcoming offseason as there was this past year.

Majority of the teams that would be firing there head coaches just did it last year, so the competition for a replacement should be minimal in comparison to other years such as last year.

Right now, coaches on the hot seat would probably only consist of ...

Billick
Shottenheimer
Fisher
Shell
maybe Cowher

Not a whole lot of competition there IMO.

I'd be going after Fisher first.

If he wasn't available, or you couldn't land him, then I'd start looking at high quality assistants and perhaps college ranks.

Anyway you look at this, I think this is Billicks last year unless we make some level of noise in the playoffs.

Right now, just getting to the playoffs could be a very tall order to say the least.

[ExiledRaven]

No way Billick leaves in the middle of the season, but if things don't work out.

I'm not averse to promoting Rex Ryan and cleaning house on the offensive side of the ball (aka, everyone's out).

He'll never leave, but I've been impressed with the adaptability of Tressel at OSU. Pure defensive team won the national championship, now he's got Troy Smith and a high octane offense and the young D is still good.

If the flaming thumbtacks are dumb enough to fire Fisher, he's a great coach as well if he can tolerate being in Balt.

and how about that Louisville coach? He's put together good teams and QBs out of nowhere. Might be potential if he's not Tedford-esque.

Lloyd Carr of course would never leave. Pete Carroll was an nfl failure.

I also think Martz might not be too bad a HC as long as he's not got a say in personell decisions. His offenses were always good, even Detroit with ex-bungler Kitna is putting up numbers.

[HDDream]

Fisher? After this year, the guy will have had twelve full seasons, only four of which resulted in his team having a winning record. Sorry, if I don't see the appeal in him.

[AZRAVEN]

I have said all along Billick would be out after this year after what happened in the offseason. The malcontent players, with the exception of Taylor, are still on the team and have been emboldened by Billicks castration by SB. There was no way in hell Billick was going to be able to restore order. All I can say is when he goes I hope it is a TOTAL housecleaning on both sides of the ball. Rex Ryan and his stupid defensive schemes are going to kill us every bit as much as our still inept offense.
Incidently, there are rumblings out here about Denny Green being in trouble so you might be able to add his name to the list of endangered coaches.

[DrUnk]

Whoever we get, we need a hard nosed coach, 'cause this team sorely needs some disipline.

[Mista T]

I was a Billick supporter up until tonight, notwithstanding his 8 years of horrible clock management. When I heard that he was going back to McNair after 4 straight mediocre games plus last Sunday's performance by Boller: that's it for me! We had one chance to turn around the inevitable fall to .500, :bag: but his ego got in the way.:thumbdown:

:mrt:

[ladyraven127]

"All I can say is when he goes I hope it is a TOTAL housecleaning on both sides of the ball. Rex Ryan and his stupid defensive schemes are going to kill us every bit as much as our still inept offense."

Amen to the defensive schemes. When they work . . . golly they work. When they don't :bag: and I have a feeling that as the season goes on, we're going to see more of they don't. Just a hunch.

I was wondering how you all feel about Ozzie when talking about cleaning house? Seems to me he has been getting a free ride through all of this. :eek:

[italianjoker]

i will sign anything, donate money toward the cause, whatever it takes. i have absolutely had it with him. and it has been a few seasons now, but this is just a cherry on top.

clock management being horrendous year in and year out.

team discipline being bad every year as shown through not only penalties, but all the lockerroom disputes we hear so much about. his "they are men and i will treat them as such." bullshit is old and stale. the entire team knows he will "treat them like men" and take full advantage. the head coach is not a peer of the player, the head coach is his boss and needs to keep that chain of command in order for the team to fall in line. he has no control.

the offense is clearly his problem. many years, many players, new OC and same old shit. he is the root of all the evil. i was giving him the benefit of the doubt when MC was here and for that, i am sorry MC. you caught much blame that was not yours to get. Billick defending you, was the right thing to do. because he was the reason you sucked here. the stubborn jackass will never step aside and let anyone else flourish.

all in all, i am tired of him. we need a coach that will lead this team. at 12noon today Billick will make a big announcement, so let's wait and see.

[sandiegosean]

As long as Ozzie and his inept six year run of quarterbacks, lineman and receivers goes with him. The coaches can only play who they're given to work with.

[Raineman]

All I can say is, Welcome to the "dark side".

Most of you know I am a founding member of this bandwagon. I really feel he has punched his ticket with this past game and the move he just made today (fassel) pretty much means he is ready to be the next in line.

I don't even think making the playoffs will be enough to keep him around (thankfully). I could even envision winning the Super Bowl and having him get "Dilfered" by Bisciotti.:rolling:

Laugh all you want, but I would LOVE to see Denny Green in here at the helm. I wouldn't mind Whisenhunt either. NO WAY to Fisher.

I also am in agreement with LR127 on the Ozzie question. If we are gonna clean house, then let's really do it. I'd be very interested to see Bisciotti's team and FO.

(Did any of you at the stadium hear me screaming from Eldersburg for a time out?):rolleyes:

[AZRAVEN]

Yes, I would include Ozzie in the house cleaning. He is very good at defensive player selection but, IMO, for some strange reason, considering he was an offensive player, he doesn't seem to attach much importance to the OL and that has enraged me for years. Any real football guy should know that games are won and lost in the trenches.
I'm sure Billick is "ready to be next in line" I can't imagine him wanting to keep putting up with the crap going on with this team. My guess is he won't be out of work long.
You may get your wish for Denny Green, talk out here is he's in serious trouble and I don't think his childish tantrum last night will help his situation.

[Greg]

We are 6 games into this season, let's see if we can get the ship righted. There are 10 games left.

As for Ozzie, is it his OL selection or is it OL coaching? We have tried to address the OL. Leon Searcy ring a bell? The last few years some high draft picks. Ozzie lives on the best player available theory, he isn't going to pass on a defensive player who drops for no reason to reach for an OL a round too high because that is where we are weak. If you want to see teams that draft need instead of best player, just look in the top ten of next year's draft.

We need to roll a giant cyber doobie and pass it around so some of you can calm down.

[AZRAVEN]

I think it's a combination of players and coaching. We have to many guys that are "projects" and Chris Foerrester was a hugh mistake IMO. Oz isn't going to pass on a defensive player period. LOL

[camdenyard]

I want Billick to stay where he is. He's a solid coach and good motivator.

I think some of you forget the Teddy M. days. Arms crossed, finger fiddling with his lips, wondering what the hell to do while being thrashed by JAX 42-17.

I remember, I was there. Billick is 10X the coach Teddy was. There is no guarantee we'd get an upgrade if Brian left.

[AA-Raven]

sign me up as well, guys at work always use the excuse (well, who can we get then as HC) that is a lame excuse imo, we rarely heard of Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, and many others before they became a HC (only that they were OC) so there has to be qualified candidates to be our next HC...

what about Kirk Frentz? sure a college HC but he has Pro experience (with us in 96' correct?)

Whisenhut (spelling) OC in Pittsburgh

this is Billicks last straw imo, this move could very well put the icing on the cake for him to be gone this off-season.

[Mr.Boh]

I love how some of you are calling quits before we even see how this thing turns out... Someone on WNST said it best today-
"He's saying he's the captain... And he's either going down with the ship or sailing it straight into Miami."
I'll wait and see befor I place any bets at this point.
But I will say this, Billicks put it all on the line today, and showed some brass ones. I respect that any day.

[GreenWave52]

But I will say this, Billicks put it all on the line today, and showed some brass ones. I respect that any day.Exactly. No matter how you feel about Billick he just put himself out there BIGTIME.

And to those people who think Ozzie needs to go, well you just don't know how well you have it. He is one of the top 5 GMs in the league. Does he have shortcomings? Sure. Have mistakes been made? Yes. However we have put more home grown players into the pro-bowl and we get more from the late to undrafted rounds than just about any other team. Also he has hired 1 coach who has been here 8 years and won a superbowl. He has earned the right to pick another head coach should Billick fail.