To All Raven Fans

[Sports Steve]

This is a very hard time for all Raven fans. I know all of you are real hot right now with ticket prices raised last year and a year going south quick. I was real hot last night also but I ask all of you who come to the games PLEASE don't come and boo the guys or wear bags like I've heard some fans suggest. It just I can remember a night our team left in the middle of the night and I was the last remaining fan as the Mayflower trucks took Baltimore's team away. Some of you may say so what and that's ok. I just want all of you to think before taking a stand against OUR TEAM.

Yes I realize the playoffs look very bleak right now but the team needs us to cheer and stay behind them. The game reminded me of the 1st Frazier vs Foreman fight you just wondered when will it be stopped.

In closing i ENJOY BEING WITH ALL OF YOU EVERY SUNDAY AT M&T BANK STADIUM. If the year continues to go south let's just go out with class.


Please no :bag: faces.

Thanks,
Sports Steve


:jester: :jester:

[purplepoe]

If the players, who make 20x what I make, don't care then why should I?

There is a difference between losing and getting embarrassed.

If people wanna boo this team I've got no problem with it.

They have taken a season long dump on us.

PP

[flraven]

I'll be there on Sunday, without bag. It will be interesting the reception the team gets though.

[ravenjoe]

The brown bags will be there, and so will the boos! I'm entitled to boo this pathetic performance, and that includes Bisciotti for accepting this ineptitude on the field, after jacking our season ticket prices last year. A pay increase for this - Bisciotti should give us all a refund!

[UKRaven]

I was very tried and upset taking my boy to school this morning :bag: ( up at 1.30am UK to watch the big game) :nerd:

Song came on the radio - Bon Jovi "Keep the faith!" :thumbup:

I'd give a hell of a lot to be tailgating with you guys this Sunday!!!:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Sports Steve]

The brown bags will be there, and so will the boos! I'm entitled to boo this pathetic performance, and that includes Bisciotti for accepting this ineptitude on the field, after jacking our season ticket prices last year. A pay increase for this - Bisciotti should give us all a refund!

Yes that is your right but we have a team. Anyway what ever the fans want to do is their right I realize that.

:jester: :jester:

[Losac]

Well said Sports Steve. This town seems so full of fair weather fans it's not even funny. When the Ravens are winning, everyone loves them, but when times are bad no one wants anything to do with them.

Yes, last night was embarrassing and absolutely dreadful, but at least we have a team to watch. Look what a boycott of the team got in 1984.

[flraven]

I'd give a hell of a lot to be tailgating with you guys this Sunday!!!:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

With a 4pm start, I'm sure the tailgaters will be plenty juiced up for this game.

[purplepoe]

Well said Sports Steve. This town seems so full of fair weather fans it's not even funny. When the Ravens are winning, everyone loves them, but when times are bad no one wants anything to do with them.

Yes, last night was embarrassing and absolutely dreadful, but at least we have a team to watch. Look what a boycott of the team got in 1984.

Shit.

It's not about bangwagoners.

I'll be there just like I was at Heinz field last night.

But I'll be damned if Im not gonna voice my displeasure for the crap we've seen this year.

I'll give em a chance. But if they resemble ANYTHING like they looked like last night, I'll boo the living hell out of them.

Like I said before, losing is one thing. Being embarrassed and not giving a shit is another.

PP

[Big Bird]

If I were in B'more this coming weekend, I would certainly be there trying to cheer them on to a win. My Son TBird25 will be there though with my grandson using the other seat. They will both Cheer for those Blackbirds.

They are going through tough times at the moment. Don't forget, we've had our glory days as well. Beyond all, they are our team and they deserve our emotional support (if we call ourselves home town fans).

GO Ravens!!!
:(

[festivus]

Having the right to boo your home team is like having the right to poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Well said Sports Steve.

Booing after they laid a stinker is cheap and easy, and not helpful to anyone but the visiting team. Go ahead and do it, while you're at it, poke yourself in the eye with a stick.

[Losac]

Shit.

It's not about bangwagoners.

I'll be there just like I was at Heinz field last night.

But I'll be damned if Im not gonna voice my displeasure for the crap we've seen this year.

I'll give em a chance. But if they resemble ANYTHING like they looked like last night, I'll boo the living hell out of them.

Like I said before, losing is one thing. Being embarrassed and not giving a shit is another.

PP

My comments weren't addressed to you, purplepoe. Just been seeing a lot of people who are normally so-called die hard fans tell me that they are now done with the team. When I tell them I am going to the game next week, I hear "why do you want to waste money on them". Because I'm a fan. I was out there on Christmas night screaming my head off 2 years ago when we were 5-9 and out of the playoffs.

[purplepoe]

My comments weren't addressed to you, purplepoe. Just been seeing a lot of people who are normally so-called die hard fans tell me that they are now done with the team. When I tell them I am going to the game next week, I hear "why do you want to waste money on them". Because I'm a fan. I was out there on Christmas night screaming my head off 2 years ago when we were 5-9 and out of the playoffs.

Gotcha.

PP

[purplepoe]

Having the right to boo your home team is like having the right to poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Well said Sports Steve.

Booing after they laid a stinker is cheap and easy, and not helpful to anyone but the visiting team. Go ahead and do it, while you're at it, poke yourself in the eye with a stick.

Sorry Festivus, but I gotta disagree.

This team has poked my eye for 10 weeks now.

You think they care if we boo? Please. They don't care about the everyman paying money to see them make millions.

If I thought this team was playing hard and giving their all, I wouldn't think of booing.

But they aren't. And that's very apparent to me.

PP

[ravenwoman]

I will be there rain or shine, snow and ice. I plan on enjoying myself win or lose because I paid hard earned money to see a football game. I am not wearing a bag, because I am not ashamed. I did not play lousy the other night. The players and coaches should be ashamed of themselves, laying the eggs on the field. They owe the fans of Baltimore a hard fought game on Sunday and if not, they should wear bags, not us.

[bmoreravengirl]

The Ravens are my team through thick and thin, but there are times when you get so PO'd you can't even express it. I'm at that point now.

[ExiledRaven]

I'm not leaving the Ravens. I hope Brian Billick does.

I wish the team the best, there are some great players on the roster, but Billick, McNair, and most of the offensive staff need to go period.

[Mista T]

Booing your own team is what I would expect from trashy fans. Of course, given the fan base that cheers its own QB's injury :thumbdown:, I fully expect to hear boos reigning down at player intros (especially if McNair is introduced), and when the inevitable 3 & outs after the 2 yard passes when we need 6. How can anyone criticize Philly and DC fans when we live in a glass house?

I'm pissed. :bag: At a front office that could have gotten Drew Bress for not much more cap impact that the washed up weak armed McNair, and which failed to obtain a decent nickel back. At Billick's playcalling and arrogance in announcing his starting QB on the heels of the Ravens worst ever performance by a QB (at least the 2nd worse: the Cincy opener). At the player's yukking it up on the sidelines and celebrating tackles when down by 5 scores.

But booing? What does that accomplish? Bisciotti doesn't need to hear it -- he knows what the fans are saying, he's pissed off himself, and will make changes sooner or later. Does anyone think that will help motivate our guys to play harder, better? Does anyone think that the millionaire players and coaches give a shit?

Please don't boo .. it would just help the Bengals.:(

[flraven]

After that steamer the Ravens laid last night, I'm guessing the players get introduced as a team, no individual intros on Sunday.

[ravenjoe]

yea, I'm po'd right now, real po'd at the front office, the players, the coaches. I'm venting big-time. But come Sunday, I'll be there just like I was back in 1983, wearing my colors and enjoying the time with my son and friends.

[Sports Steve]

Booing your own team is what I would expect from trashy fans. Of course, given the fan base that cheers its own QB's injury :thumbdown:, I fully expect to hear boos reigning down at player intros (especially if McNair is introduced), and when the inevitable 3 & outs after the 2 yard passes when we need 6. How can anyone criticize Philly and DC fans when we live in a glass house?

I'm pissed. :bag: At a front office that could have gotten Drew Bress for not much more cap impact that the washed up weak armed McNair, and which failed to obtain a decent nickel back. At Billick's playcalling and arrogance in announcing his starting QB on the heels of the Ravens worst ever performance by a QB (at least the 2nd worse: the Cincy opener). At the player's yukking it up on the sidelines and celebrating tackles when down by 5 scores.

But booing? What does that accomplish? Bisciotti doesn't need to hear it -- he knows what the fans are saying, he's pissed off himself, and will make changes sooner or later. Does anyone think that will help motivate our guys to play harder, better? Does anyone think that the millionaire players and coaches give a shit?

Please don't boo .. it would just help the Bengals.:(

Well said "T"

[festivus]

Mista T I thought of you this morning for your posts since last year, complaining about the money you've said was wasted in McNair. Good of you not to be gloating. . .

There were lots of problems last night on both sides of the ball. But lack of effort was not one of them.

[purplepoe]

I love the people who act like they know how to be better fans and tell other fans what they should and shouldn't do.

And no, I didn't cheer when Boller got hurt 2 years ago.

PP

[Fanman]

If fans want to boo they have that right...they pay for the lavish lifestyles these players have. The person I would boo is Brian Billick....this guy is a farce and people are finally starting to see it now.

FM

[crazyraven]

Hell yes, Im goin' to boo. That game last night was a disgrace.

Fuck it, I'm just not ready to discuss the level of disgust I have for this entire franchise.

[Fanman]

If Biscotti lets Bllick coach out his current contract then he has a screw loose too.

FM

[ravenjoe]

Hell yes, Im goin' to boo. That game last night was a disgrace.

Fuck it, I'm just not ready to discuss the level of disgust I have for this entire franchise.

I feel your pain, crazyraven. It'll be a long time until I get over this humiliating loss.

[Fanman]

I didn't expect a win to begin with, but I def expected them to be competitive and play like a team that belonged in the NFL. It's not the loss that bothers me..but how BADLY they lost and how stupid they looked doing it. I mean the announcers were bascially laughing at them the whole 1st half

Would anyone be super mad if they lost 20-17 in OT? I think not as much.

FM

[RavenTD]

Tough times,is when a family should pull together.Nuff said.

[PARavensJeff]

Imagine living in PA with Ravens fans who hid themselves coming out of the woodwork now that their team is back on top. They were no where to be found last year. I'm not happy with a lot of things right now, but I won't boo my team. I was so mad last night, & it pisses me off that some of these guys look like they don't care. That check will still come in. McNair looks like he is totally lost & his eyes tell it all. All I ask for & want to see is effort. I didn't see it last night. Barking at the Steeler sideline after making a play when you're down by 3,4, or 5 scores, what is that for? Why the hell are we waiting for no chance before putting in Boller? I would have pulled the switch no later than halfway thru the 2nd quarter. Hell, the best play of the night was when he threw the ball down the field, overthrowing the receiver. At least he took a shot. I will be there on Sunday as I am for every home game & I will cheer for the Ravens. If they look like last night, I won't boo, but I'll be screaming my frustrations out. Everyone who has bought a ticket has the right to choose what they want to do. I can't tell them anymore than anyone else. I agree with Steve, but unfortunately we will hear a lot of boos Sunday. When you invest so much of yourself into something to receive back what we have, some people will feel they have to be heard in a negative way. As far a refund from Biscotti, that will never happen, we'll get our team picture soon, as our gift from the team for being fans. Wow!!!

[Rayvens52]

I didn't expect a win to begin with, but I def expected them to be competitive and play like a team that belonged in the NFL. It's not the loss that bothers me..but how BADLY they lost and how stupid they looked doing it. I mean the announcers were bascially laughing at them the whole 1st half

Would anyone be super mad if they lost 20-17 in OT? I think not as much.

FM


That is fine if we were playing with our starting CB. We have a team that is snake bit but injries this year. Seriously to hear fans say they are going to wear bags is just plain fucking stupid. To everyone of you that says you are going to do that you are a bandwagonfan. The fans who have done that live in detroit and No where they went years upon years with losing seasons. We are still at 500. Show some class baltimore. Honestly do you think the players, or coachs care what we think, not at all. The only people you will be pissing off is real ravens fans. How about you show up and cheer on your team. Us wearing bags and booing mcnair is not going to change a god damn thing. Yes last night sucked real bad, but you know what i hate to have to admit it but steeler fans are way better than ravens fans, we destroyed them twice last year, equally as bad but there fans were not there booing and wearing bags. As much as I hate them i wish we had a little of the passion as fans here. to all of you who want to boo and wear bags jump back on that bandwagon you came here on from washington, nobody wants you here!

[bmore finest]

Well what can you say, a real turnaround of last years game in the burgh. I'm sure everyone is mad at something. Now my damn phone won't stop ringing. Last year i heard nothing from this shitty town. Now i have to hear it for the rest of the year. Thanks offense!! But i will take all the hits steelers fans give me and support this team no matter what.

I would be happy to take someone tickets to ANY game and cheer for the Ravens. Just our team is down right now and i'm going down with the ship if it goes down. I represent the ravens to the best i can behind emenies lines.

OF course, i had the party last night so i'm very pissed i hosted that ass whipping. But They have my full support as they ALWAYS do.

[Galen Sevinne]

True fans don't just experience the joys of victory but also they experience the agony of defeats. Thank goodness we have that vehicle here in Baltimore.

[SHORTTRACK]

1) Barking at the Steeler sideline after making a play when you're down by 3,4, or 5 scores, what is that for?
2) Why the hell are we waiting for no chance before putting in Boller? I would have pulled the switch no later than halfway thru the 2nd quarter.
3) Everyone who has bought a ticket has the right to choose what they want to do. I can't tell them anymore than anyone else.

1) Dellusions of granduer.
2) Billick is a tool.

3) Agreed. I knew it wouldn't take long for either Billick or someone to tell the fans how to act Sunday. How about everyone act however they want to act.

[Rayvens52]

1) Dellusions of granduer.
2) Billick is a tool.

3) Agreed. I knew it wouldn't take long for either Billick or someone to tell the fans how to act Sunday. How about everyone act however they want to act.


No, our fans should not act like that at all. It only gives opposing fans more reason to get on us. We need to keep our tickets, keep there fans out of our stadium and cheer on our team. Stop acting like idiots and be happy we have a team. Booing and wearing bags is for idiots.

[festivus]

Thank you for keeping sanity in the thread Rayvens52. :thumbup:

[HoustonRaven]

Im sorry but this "happy we have a team thing" is crap.

So let me get this straight, if you have a child who is misbehaving, you should just sit back, be quiet about your displeasure and just be happy you have a kid???

Or maybe you have a job and your boss treats you like dirt. By some posters logic, you should keep your pie hole shut and just be happy you have a job, too.

How about you're at your favorite restaurant and the meal you've been looking forward to all day comes out cold and nasty. So I should keep my trap shut, be thankful that I at least have some food, smile and pretend like nothing is wrong.

Maybe some people dont feel the need to demand excellence in their lives, but I will tell you there is one guy here who does .... THIS GUY! :patriot:

As a PSL owner, I am emotionally AND financially invested in this team. If the team I love and care about is acting in a manner I dont approve of, I have a right ... no, a DUTY .... to voice my displeasure (respectfully, but bluntly)!

[PARavensJeff]

No, our fans should not act like that at all. It only gives opposing fans more reason to get on us. We need to keep our tickets, keep there fans out of our stadium and cheer on our team. Stop acting like idiots and be happy we have a team. Booing and wearing bags is for idiots.

Agree, but there will be plenty of assholes who feel like it is their right to be assholes. While I can't tell these people how to act, maybe they can remember what they did on all those autumn Sunday afternoons from 84-95 to realize what they have now. Many of them weren't probably around from 96-98 either as it was a hard core group of fans those early years.

[Fanman]

So Rv52 are you calling me a bandwagon fan? I fail to see how my previous post would make you put me in that category.

FM

[Fanman]

If I were at a game I doubt I would boo a player...maybe Billick. But I would never chastise a fan for booing. They pay good money to see their team play and 100% have the right to express displeasure if they feel like it. If a player can't take it then find a new career.

FM

[Rayvens52]

If I were at a game I doubt I would boo a player...maybe Billick. But I would never chastise a fan for booing. They pay good money to see their team play and 100% have the right to express displeasure if they feel like it. If a player can't take it then find a new career.

FM


I agree to an extent. But here is my problem, our D is giving it a 100%, you can say anything you want but any team missing both starting CB is going to have trouble. Our O is were the blame is to be held. But do not go to the stadium wearing bags that is just plain stupid. That is my whole point. Booing can be fine if they play like shit but not as soon as they come in. We are still a 500 team, and we need to stand by our team. That is all I am saying

[Pat McGroin]

Im sorry but this "happy we have a team thing" is crap.

So let me get this straight, if you have a child who is misbehaving, you should just sit back, be quiet about your displeasure and just be happy you have a kid???

Or maybe you have a job and your boss treats you like dirt. By some posters logic, you should keep your pie hole shut and just be happy you have a job, too.

How about you're at your favorite restaurant and the meal you've been looking forward to all day comes out cold and nasty. So I should keep my trap shut, be thankful that I at least have some food, smile and pretend like nothing is wrong.

Maybe some people dont feel the need to demand excellence in their lives, but I will tell you there is one guy here who does .... THIS GUY! :patriot:

As a PSL owner, I am emotionally AND financially invested in this team. If the team I love and care about is acting in a manner I dont approve of, I have a right ... no, a DUTY .... to voice my displeasure (respectfully, but bluntly)!

Sure you can voice your displeasure!!! We're all doing it right now on this board. Call a radio show. Send the team an email. Write a letter to the Sun.

Then go out on Sunday and scream your ass off, but don't boo!!

Booing the home team is counterproductive. The players and coaches know how pissed the fan base is, how can they not know?

Booing just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There are lots of other ways to voice your opinion.

[highwater]

Although I am not much for booing, especially my own team, I can see why some would want to do that after this game. Not because they got blown out, but because of the perception (which apparently is reality) that some of the Ravens were acting like they didn't really care (see the "Jeff Blake Redux" thread). I wouldn't boo them for losing, but if some of the players were laughing it up after the game, acting like getting your ass handed to you on MNF was no big deal, that's something I'd consider booing. If we care more than they do, that's something I'd have a problem with.

[HoustonRaven]

Sure you can voice your displeasure!!! We're all doing it right now on this board. Call a radio show. Send the team an email. Write a letter to the Sun.

Then go out on Sunday and scream your ass off, but don't boo!!

Booing the home team is counterproductive. The players and coaches know how pissed the fan base is, how can they not know?

Booing just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There are lots of other ways to voice your opinion.

I see your point and agree to extent.

But if they announce Brians name next weekend, this guy is booing!

[Galen Sevinne]

Im sorry but this "happy we have a team thing" is crap.

So let me get this straight, if you have a child who is misbehaving, you should just sit back, be quiet about your displeasure and just be happy you have a kid???

No I would wear a bag on my head when I am around him and boo him and chastise him everytime he fucks up.


Or maybe you have a job and your boss treats you like dirt. By some posters logic, you should keep your pie hole shut and just be happy you have a job, too.

No I would wear a bag on my head when at work and boo and chastise him everytime he walks into my office.


How about you're at your favorite restaurant and the meal you've been looking forward to all day comes out cold and nasty. So I should keep my trap shut, be thankful that I at least have some food, smile and pretend like nothing is wrong.

No I would put a bag on my head and boo and chastise everytime a waiter walks out of the kitchen.



Maybe some people dont feel the need to demand excellence in their lives, but I will tell you there is one guy here who does .... THIS GUY! :patriot:

As a PSL owner, I am emotionally AND financially invested in this team. If the team I love and care about is acting in a manner I dont approve of, I have a right ... no, a DUTY .... to voice my displeasure (respectfully, but bluntly)!


So wear a bag then and boo and chastise them after every play. I don't think anyone is avoiding voicing displeasure in this forum...the question is do you boo and chastise and wear bags on your head next Sunday at 4:00

[HoustonRaven]

So wear a bag then and boo and chastise them after every play. I don't think anyone is avoiding voicing displeasure in this forum...the question is do you boo and chastise and wear bags on your head next Sunday at 4:00

I wouldnt, no. But if someone wants to, go for it. Expression is acceptable in many forms. If Brian is announced individualy, I will boo -- no doubt in my mind about that one. I was more taking issues with the people saying "be happy we at least have a team".

When I hear that phrase I get a strong desire to slap them in the face with a dead fish. Mediocrity is nothing to strive for!

[SHORTTRACK]

Cheer. Don't cheer.
They paid for the ticket.
They can do what they want.

[RAVENOUS52]

I will NEVER boo my Ravens.

I lovem too much. Just as I would never boo my country!

It's one thing to be frustrated, but another thing completely to badmouth your team...

It makes you no better than Tony Kornholer, who seemed to get a thrill out of dissing us last night...

[highwater]

It makes you no better than Tony Kornholer, who seemed to get a thrill out of dissing us last night...

That guy sucks on MNF -- he makes these pompous opening statements that are apparently intended to be award winning meaningful material, then spends the rest of the game trying to be funny and usually ends up just being annoying.

[Rayvens52]

I wouldnt, no. But if someone wants to, go for it. Expression is acceptable in many forms. If Brian is announced individualy, I will boo -- no doubt in my mind about that one. I was more taking issues with the people saying "be happy we at least have a team".

When I hear that phrase I get a strong desire to slap them in the face with a dead fish. Mediocrity is nothing to strive for!


And I am a psl owner also. I feel the same way you do, but booing your own team and wearing bags on your heads is fucking stupid. Like i said before you can do that when your team has been bad for ever like the lions and saints. We have a 500 team here, and though unlikly we are not out of the playoffs yet. Booing and all that other shit is just going to give opoosing fans more ammo this year and next and for years to come, please be smart baltimore! Do you really want to be put in the same class as eagles fans, i know i don't want to be. Is all this really a surprise to anyone anyway. We picked up a QB that has had more injuries than our entire team combined. The funny thing here is that everyone wants to blame the D, but all the names that arebeing said for laughing on the sideline are on offense. By booing your own team you are only hurting your fans, the players and billick do not give a shit about us we are outsiders. They are not playing the game for us like we would like to think they are. I really don't want to have to hear about this from other fans for years to come, that is all we will hear this from not our players and you better beleive that!

[festivus]

Cheer. Don't cheer.
They paid for the ticket.
They can do what they want.
Yes, they can say what they want there, just as we can say what we want here. Just because they *can* doesn't mean they *should* and there is NOTHING wrong with calling them out for booing the home team.

I paid money for my car, that doesn't mean I should be driving around the beltway 50 mph in the passing lane. And you can come here to this forum and complain about it when I do, and you'd be right.

[Galen Sevinne]

It makes you no better than Tony Kornholer, who seemed to get a thrill out of dissing us last night...

yea...what was up with that guy? What a dick.

[RavenScallywag]

I agree with Sports Steve...as mad as I am at certain players and coaches right now, I still want the Ravens to fight on. Booing them is just going to turn them against Baltimore.

I have tickets to the Bengals game, which will be my first ever regular season game...On the one hand, I'm dreading seeing another blowout if we still don't have either of our starting CBs. But on the other hand, I can't wait to get in that stadium and cheer with my fellow fans for my Ravens.

just my thoughts.

[HoustonRaven]

yea...what was up with that guy? What a dick.

Um were you watching the game? We deserved to get dissed. Even hard nosed ex-players were dissing us!

We not only laid a huge steaming pile, we did it in front of about 2 dozen HoFer's and a national TV audience. Oh, and let me not forget our trash talking to their sidelines when the game was out of reach.

I feel you about Tony -- he is an abortion of an announcer. But sometimes even turds like him get it right and we deserved his comments last night.

[highwater]

I agree (and I think we probably all agree) that we deserved to be dissed, but that's a separate issue from the fact/opinion that Kornhole sucks on MNF most of the time, and his snippy criticisms are not like hearing us getting ripped by Dikta or Jaws or somebody with some credibility.

[Galen Sevinne]

I agree (and I think we probably all agree) that we deserved to be dissed, but that's a separate issue from the fact/opinion that Kornhole sucks on MNF most of the time, and his snippy criticisms are not like hearing us getting ripped by Dikta or Jaws or somebody with some credibility.

he was dissing the Ravens before it really got bad...he seemed to have an agenda early on and got carried away with it as things really turned bad. He is a kornhole.

[Rayvens52]

he was dissing the Ravens before it really got bad...he seemed to have an agenda early on and got carried away with it as things really turned bad. He is a kornhole.


That is because he has always hated Billick. Anytime you watch PTI over the past couple of years he has never had a good thing to say about him, not that I blame him :)

[Losac]

he was dissing the Ravens before it really got bad...he seemed to have an agenda early on and got carried away with it as things really turned bad. He is a kornhole.

It went along with the whole ESPN Steeler Ass-Kiss Fest that was the theme of the evening from about an hour before kickoff on.

Sorry but I could have done without the closeup shots of Hines Ward's nasty ass feet getting a pedicure.

[SHORTTRACK]

Should people drink beer before or during the game? If so how many?

[festivus]

Shorttrack, when you are booing *our* team, you are booing *my* team, so I can write here that I don't like it. Call me judgemental, I don't care, I'm standing up for *my* team. Pay for a seat on the boat, it doesn't mean I want you drilling a hole through the hull underneath.

You want to say everyone here is on a soap box, I have news for you. You are on one too.

[SHORTTRACK]

Festivus-
I never said to boo the team READ THE THREAD. I have said that if you buy a ticket you can do what you want...not what others tell you to do...it seems that after every loss either Billick or someone else feels the need to tell everyone how to act....how many threads have there been about if you do not stand up then you are not a "real fan"....go enjoy yourself the way YOU want to...cheering, not cheering, standing up, sitting down, hanging out in the concourse the whole time, throwing up in a stall, I really don't care.

[HoustonRaven]

throwing up in a stall.

I like where your head's at! :thumbup:

[Rochardrik]

STeve, I would guess several of those threatening to boo and wear bags are blowing off steam... even if, at the moment, they believe they will, they'll have a few days to calm down, and willl be there with us!
These are trying times, after years of offense by accident, and SB hopes, still with the accidental offense. But, we have a team, wherein lies our only hope of another SB, and I for one, will be a supporter (feel like an athletic supporter after a bed wetting right now) always!!!! :hammer:

[Rayvens52]

STeve, I would guess several of those threatening to boo and wear bags are blowing off steam... even if, at the moment, they believe they will, they'll have a few days to calm down, and willl be there with us!
These are trying times, after years of offense by accident, and SB hopes, still with the accidental offense. But, we have a team, wherein lies our only hope of another SB, and I for one, will be a supporter (feel like an athletic supporter after a bed wetting right now) always!!!! :hammer:

I could not agree with you more. Instead of everyone wanting to go and boo the team and wear bags, why don't we all get everyone to make this the loudest game of the year. Why don't we all vow to stand all game and make it impossiable for cincy to hear when on O. Why don't we show our team we have not given up on them so don't give up on us. Lets be proactive and give cincy a serious beat down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Baltoman07]

Like the players go home and cry if we boo them.

[camdenyard]

Booing the home team is completely without upside. If you catch me doing it, smack me.

[Rayvens52]

Like the players go home and cry if we boo them.

this has nothing to do with the players feelings, it is about being respectable fans with some class, that are willing to stand by its team during a rough time and not just when things are going great like last year, please be real fans, and yes i am saying be real fans. Great teams in the nfl like pittsburgh and dallas do not have fans wearing bags to the games or planning a boo fest, grow up. Just like they say at the stadium, root hard, show respect for the fans around you, BUT DON'T BE A JERK.

[highwater]

Like the players go home and cry if we boo them.

But the flip side to that comment is, "Like the players are going to be more motivated and play harder because we boo them." Booing accomplishes nothing except to possibly fire up the opposing team, and make the person who is booing somehow feel better.

Anyone who buys a ticket has a right to boo, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying it doesn't do any good at all.

[PARavensJeff]

I am taking my 9 year old son with me this Sunday, & while he hasa been to games with me over the years, this is his 1st this year as his fall baseball league just ended. He has never been to a game that will be like this Sunday, where the fans are doing the things that are being threatend by some. He will wonder why we are booing the Ravens & why people would do that to their team. That will be fun explaining to him about why that stuff will be happening. As I said on another post yesterday, my team win or lose. The only way anyone is getting my tickets is when I die. Yes I'm pissed & mad as hell, but, this is my team & I will never boo my team. Just like I will never leave a game until it's over, no matter the score, anyone remember the Seattle game? I think there was only about 10,000 of us left at the end. You ride the highs with your team when they're good & you have to take the lows. You my not like it, who does, but we're not going to win every year, but they will be our team every year. Get behind our Ravens & let them know we are with them Sunday. Come on Sunday!!! GO RAVENS

[JimBone]

Every fan has a right to boo. That being said, when has booing ever helped a team play better. As frustated as I am I'm still glad to be able to watch football in Baltimore on Sundays. If you want to boo, boo; just don't expect it too help the Ravens.

[highwater]

That will be fun explaining to him about why that stuff will be happening. As I said on another post yesterday, my team win or lose. The only way anyone is getting my tickets is when I die. Yes I'm pissed & mad as hell, but, this is my team & I will never boo my team.

Well said, Jeff. :thumbup:

I think I have occasionally booed an opposing team or player, but mostly the only times I have booed at a game was when I booed a bad call by a ref or umpire. But I have never booed my team. I might scream in frustration over calls or plays, but I'm just not into booing. I understand that people have a right to do that, but I also have a young son, and I'd prefer that he not think this is a cool thing to do.

[HoustonRaven]

I am taking my 9 year old son with me this Sunday, & while he hasa been to games with me over the years, this is his 1st this year as his fall baseball league just ended. He has never been to a game that will be like this Sunday, where the fans are doing the things that are being threatend by some. He will wonder why we are booing the Ravens & why people would do that to their team. That will be fun explaining to him about why that stuff will be happening. As I said on another post yesterday, my team win or lose. The only way anyone is getting my tickets is when I die. Yes I'm pissed & mad as hell, but, this is my team & I will never boo my team. Just like I will never leave a game until it's over, no matter the score, anyone remember the Seattle game? I think there was only about 10,000 of us left at the end. You ride the highs with your team when they're good & you have to take the lows. You my not like it, who does, but we're not going to win every year, but they will be our team every year. Get behind our Ravens & let them know we are with them Sunday. Come on Sunday!!! GO RAVENS

Booing or voicing your displeasure doesnt mean you've given up on your team,

It's about venting, thats all. Some people handle periods of being down differently than others. Some people, myself included, need to vent or else I get downright nasty.

I dont think anyone here is talking about giving up their seats, giving up on the team, etc. But to criticize and say one version of reacting to yesterdays events is better than the other is no good either.

[Real Fan Dan]

Great post Sports Steve. Mr. T and others.

This Sunday i think I'll do the same thing i've been doing for the last 10 years: lead about a thousand Real Fans in R-A-V-E-N-S cheers after every score (and yes... we'll score). It might not be very loud at first, but it'll grow. we've been doing it so long in that section nobody will give me any shit either. i guess there's alot of fans there who realize that we've done pretty darn good for most of the last 7-8 years and that these things run in cycles. You gotta take the good with the bad - like being there for '96-'98, waiting for a glimmer of hope in '99, then finally getting our just deserts in 2000. Nah, i won't boo, i'll be patient and lead cheers. If you want to boo i suppose it's your right. i can't blame you for being pissed. Last nights game got my dander up too. Just realize that booing does absolutely nothing but fire up the Bengals.

Now as far as wearing a bag over your head i look at it this way. If you want to be that much of an idiot, i'll be happy to take a shit in it, light it on fire and ring the doorbell for ya! :141847_smmackbottom

[RockyMRaven]

Last night was the absolute pits, but I'm going to be at M&T on Sunday, and I'll be screaming my head off and doing my best to cheer our team on. As Mista T says, booing our own team in our own house only gives cheer to the Bengals.

[ladyraven127]

:bag:

[sailorsam]

on one hand, there is a cyclical nature of sports. This year they spank us; last year we spanked them (twice); they got us a few years ago; eventually we'll spank them again.
and I agree wi Raven Nurse; let's let Neuheisel run the O for a while.
bags are fine for 1-7 teams; we're 4-4 (with a 1-7 offense). maybe we wear the bags when the O is on the field.
despite inuries, I seriously, seriously doubt Coach Billick is back unless the team wins 9 and makes the playoffs...which isn't likely.