If we take a QB in draft WHO ???

[RavenLisa]

If in fact the Ravens do take a QB in the 2008 draft who would you draft ?


I like Colt Brennen. The only concern with him is that he plays in warm weather. Second schedule is not always against top college schools.

Would like to hear others on this subject


GO RAVENS

[ExiledRaven]

Depends on where the Ravens sit in the draft.

if the Ravens are top 10, then it's probably going to be one of Brohm, Woodson, or Matt Ryan
if the Ravens trade down in the first (with dallas?): then Ainge, Brennan, Booty, Dixon, Henne, Flacco
if the Ravens decide to wait until the top of the second: one of those guys from the bottom of the first will be gone, probably either Ainge or Brennan
if the Ravens wait until the bottom of the second or third: likely only Henne and Dixon there

So really, lots depends on where the Ravens ultimately sit in the draft and what else is around. For instance, if Ryan, Woodson, and Brohm are all gone by the time the Ravens are on the clock, then Cason or Jenkins (OSU) could be around. Maybe even Chris Long or McFadden if teams are really scrambling for QBs. At that point...wow, just HAVE to take Long or McFadden if they're around. Those two players are special. Well, and the old joke, the Ravens could run the McHog (McGahee, McClain, McFadden). Anyhow, there is still so much that can happen...we've yet to see the Bowl season play out, the Senior Bowl results and of course the combine....

At any rate, based on position here is what I like


Ravens in the top 10: I'd go with Matt Ryan...no one does more with less talent catching the ball than this guy. He also spreads the ball around. Question: what can the kid do with actual talent around him on offense? The best pass-catcher on the team is the damn runningback. So we've not even really seen what Ryan can do other than spreading the ball around and being efficient. Senior Bowl will be VERY important for Ryan to solidify his status as the most polished passer in the draft this year.
Ravens trading down in the first: Woodson, then Brennan...this all depends on who needs what or who trades around. Maybe Minnesota is ok with Jackson, maybe the bears trade for McNabb. Woodson seems to be the #3 guy and might fall down the board a bit. He's also done a lot in a very tough SEC. Brennan seems like the one making the most sense after the "big three", sure call him a system guy....but a system guy doesn't make that throw 50 yards in the air to hit the WR in stride in the end zone. Also, did you know Brennan picks the play about 3/4 of the time at the line to adjust to the defense? To be great in the NFL players about HAVE to be film rats.
Ravens picking QB in the top of the second: I still like Brennan, I am not an Ainge fan - if you watched the LSU game, the kid got greedy and went to the outside and lost the game when he had a WIDE-OPEN guy across the middle for a 7-8 yard gain. Can't gamble like that, period....and if he was that great he'd be putting up better numbers.
after the top 10 in the second: Dixon - he's a little bit raw, but the kid can throw really well, check out this video of the game v. Michigan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qgy540sPnk ..the kid can throw. Yes, he's slight, but he's not going to be running in the NFL at all like he is in college.

[RavenScallywag]

That Dixon video made me crack up with the plays where he fakes the throw and just hides the handoff behind his back. It showed like three plays where they did that and the D was TOTALLY fooled!

[Dade]

I think we should go with McFadden.

[HoustonRaven]

Still way too early, IMO.

Best player available is how they will pick. Now it depends on if they trade for position or not.

[ExiledRaven]

I think we should go with McFadden.

I'd love it. Run the wild hog (The McHog - McFadden, McGahee, McClain) all the time. Also, run the offense like the Saints with Bush and McAlistor, lots of fun things you can do. Both McGahee and McFadden have hands too, so it could be fun.

Then in the second still shots at other holes. Or fill holes in free agency (CB from the raiders, sammuel, get that crazy chiefs DE, etc)

[ravenwoman]

The Ravens always draft best player available, then according to their needs.

[Dade]

I'd love it. Run the wild hog (The McHog - McFadden, McGahee, McClain) all the time. Also, run the offense like the Saints with Bush and McAlistor, lots of fun things you can do. Both McGahee and McFadden have hands too, so it could be fun.

Exactly, it would give us an entertaining offense instead of this lame duck we got this year.

[Sephy]

Not sure the only concern with Brennan is the warm weather, or if that is even a concern. His system and its transition to the NFL, or lack thereof, is much more concerning. He's accurate, but I definitely worry.

Also, absolutely ZERO chance Dixon gets drafted above the third round. It was iffy before his injury, and now he has a torn ACL he needs to rehab. And he still might play baseball. A lot of scouts don't think his game projects well at all.

[PurpleRulz]

Since we are asking solely about QBs, here are my favorites:

1. MATT RYAN (The best QB in this draft and its not even close).
2. Erik Ainge (More of a project, but reminds me of Derek Anderson).
3. Joe Flacco (Ben Rothlesberger type of QB).
4. Dennis Dixon (But he wants to play baseball moreso than football).

Those are the only 4 QB worth getting.

Brian Brohm is overrated and all I saw was another Brian Griese.
Andre Woodson is another Byron Leftwich. Boo.
Colt Brennan? Please. Get real.

[StingerNLG]

I think we may need 40 times on these guys first. I'm going to wait until the combine before making my total mind up.

I think with the way our QB's have always had to run for their lives, it might not be that out-of-the-box thinking to see who runs the best QB option plays. I think we're going to need someone who has Michael Vick's running ability, but can actually complete a pass once in a while (Vick was a horrible passer).

That may be a workable solution for us. Whoever it is, they need to be EXTREMELY mobile.

[RavensNTerps]

Since we are asking solely about QBs, here are my favorites:

1. MATT RYAN (The best QB in this draft and its not even close).
2. Erik Ainge (More of a project, but reminds me of Derek Anderson).
3. Joe Flacco (Ben Rothlesberger type of QB).
4. Dennis Dixon (But he wants to play baseball moreso than football).

Those are the only 4 QB worth getting.

Brian Brohm is overrated and all I saw was another Brian Griese.
Andre Woodson is another Byron Leftwich. Boo.
Colt Brennan? Please. Get real.


Ainge is nothing ilke anderson...much more ilke Chad Pennington...he doesn't throw the ball downfield at all. Anderson ONLY throws down field.

Dixon is good, but is he big enough to playt he way he'll want to play?

Brohm is by far and away the best pro prospect. He's, in fact, the only one i'd take in the first round. If Ryan is there in round 2, sure.

[psuasskicker]

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I have a hard-on for Matt Ryan.


I like Colt Brennen. The only concern with him is that he plays in warm weather.

You mean other than the fact that every other Hawaii QB who's looked completely dominant in cfb has shown to be nothing but a system QB in the NFL?


I think we may need 40 times on these guys first. I'm going to wait until the combine before making my total mind up.

Kyle Boller looked pretty good in the combine...

- C -

[bmore finest]

To early for me, but right now,it has to be brohm. But as stinger said, we will need someone who can run or have brady pocket awareness.

[StingerNLG]

To early for me, but right now,it has to be brohm. But as stinger said, we will need someone who can run or have brady pocket awareness.

Tom Brady gets his pocket awareness from being able to sit in a pocket regularly.

Baltimore Ravens QB's get a pocket "on occasion".

Who in this class of QB's is the most mobile, to the point of almost being a hybrid running back? That is who we need to look at.

And while some may be thinking I'm being sarcastic, I am not. I am being extremely serious.

[4G63]

Also, absolutely ZERO chance Dixon gets drafted above the third round. It was iffy before his injury, and now he has a torn ACL he needs to rehab. And he still might play baseball. A lot of scouts don't think his game projects well at all.

Good, lets get Dixon late in the 4th or 5th round....he's gonna sit next year anyway, so let him rehab and learn the O. He is the most mobile of the top 10 qb's in next years draft and he ain't as good at baseball as he is at football.....

[4G63]

I think we should go with McFadden.

If he's there, definitely! I don't think he'll last that long....Jerry Jones has a hard-on for him and will probably trade up to get him.....

My dream draft would be either McFadden/Chris Long in the 1st and Dixon in the 4th or 5th....

[TTRaven]

Since we are asking solely about QBs, here are my favorites:

1. MATT RYAN (The best QB in this draft and its not even close).
2. Erik Ainge (More of a project, but reminds me of Derek Anderson).
3. Joe Flacco (Ben Rothlesberger type of QB).
4. Dennis Dixon (But he wants to play baseball moreso than football).

Those are the only 4 QB worth getting.

Brian Brohm is overrated and all I saw was another Brian Griese.
Andre Woodson is another Byron Leftwich. Boo.
Colt Brennan? Please. Get real.

I like that list. Matt Ryan is by far the best QB in this draft. Erik Ainge is also going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. His awareness is unreal. He has the arm and the brain to be an NFL QB.

[WxKevin]

I like Colt Brennan. Forget the system crap. I don't care what system you are in. He completes 72% of his passes and throws for a million yards per game.

Granted I haven't watched more than 2 games for most of the QBs coming out this year but I don't like Eric Ainge. Matt Ryan seems OK but watching him in the Florida State lost was the first time I really watched him...and he was horrible that game.

[BertJonesMyHero]

Brohm
Brennan=Bust.
Dixon=stick figure not built for the NFL.

After Brohm, it is Ryan and Woodson.

<<< I like Colt Brennan. Forget the system crap. I don't care what system you are in. He completes 72% of his passes and throws for a million yards per game.

So does his back up and every other QB that has played for Jones. He throws a million bubble screens. That is why the % is high. He also throws side arm. He makes Rivers look technically sound. He has Chang written all over him. UGA gunna snot knock them.

[RavenTD]

There is no sure science to picking a QB for the NFL.What works in college might not carry over into the NFL. I think most of the young QB's playing in the NFL now other than Romo, are struggling to get to grips with NFL defenses.

So you have 50/50 chance with any name you pick out of the hat.None of the QB's in college have impressed me in the end games running upto the bowl games. Brennan is a good argument,but wasn't Timmy Chang a pretty good Hawaii QB.He couldn't even cut it in the NFLE & CFL.

[jonboy79]

Who in this class of QB's is the most mobile, to the point of almost being a hybrid running back? That is who we need to look at.

And while some may be thinking I'm being sarcastic, I am not. I am being extremely serious.


In a non-sarcastic manner, the QB you seek out is Denis Dixon form Oregon. He is a little slower Michale VIck with a better arm.
If you are looking for Big Ben type mobility, where escabability from the pocket is paramount, not the actual gain of yards from running, then Ryan to me, is the most likely guy to be able to escape the pocket and still make a downfield play.

I, personally, don't feel the line is as bad as you describe, and certainly don't think it will be that bad bny the tiem whomever we draft actually plays. We may have some more gwoing pains next year, but I can't imagine a sub-par line by '09. I have faith in these young kids to improve. I don't really understand why so few people do. Most of these kids are Rooks, 2nd year guys and a couple are third year guys. Chester appears to be the only one slow to progress and well, he was drafted as a high ceiling project.

[4G63]

UGA gunna snot knock them.

We'll find out won't we!?!

I think Hawaii is gonna surprise UGA in this game. Hawaii has 3 excellent WR's in Davone Bess, Jason Rivers, and Ryan Grice-Mullen. They'll spread the field and UGA won't be able to contain them......I anticipate a very high scoring and entertaining game and I think Brennan will impress a lot of people with how he plays against a good SEC team...but I could be wrong and they'll be exposed against a good team, instead of the "easy" teams they usually play......

[jonboy79]

Hawaii will get SMUSHED in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. I don't see this game being close.

[StingerNLG]

In a non-sarcastic manner, the QB you seek out is Denis Dixon form Oregon. He is a little slower Michale VIck with a better arm.
If you are looking for Big Ben type mobility, where escabability from the pocket is paramount, not the actual gain of yards from running, then Ryan to me, is the most likely guy to be able to escape the pocket and still make a downfield play.

I, personally, don't feel the line is as bad as you describe, and certainly don't think it will be that bad bny the tiem whomever we draft actually plays. We may have some more gwoing pains next year, but I can't imagine a sub-par line by '09. I have faith in these young kids to improve. I don't really understand why so few people do. Most of these kids are Rooks, 2nd year guys and a couple are third year guys. Chester appears to be the only one slow to progress and well, he was drafted as a high ceiling project.


Well, I've watched this line operate with guys like Ethan Brooks, Orlando Brown, and those guys. Remember, Boller isn't the only QB to be injured by this line. It's not like the line has been good, then got bad. It's been bad. It's been bad for years. And when they can't pass block, they can run block and nothing else (2003). The last couple years they can't do either.


And to me, if the line is GOING to be good by the time we play a draft pick, then why draft a QB when you know the line is going to play better, and pick up the play of whoever is QB'ing the team, McNair, Boller, or Smith?

If we are going to draft a QB this year, and I am sticking to the discussion at hand, then I think I'm looking at Dixon more than Ryan.