Mac has finally clicked

[Heap86]

Mac-9 was as accurate as I have seen him all year, 74% Completion and a 121 rating.

Sit back and enjoy the rest of the season!!!

[Greg]

LOL, well I wouldn't assume he will play this well the rest of the season because he was so good it would be hard to keep it up. Very nice job, though. His two poor plays were the long ball to Clayton, he held it too long and let the rush come up so he couldn't step into the throw and ended up short and the TD to Heap should have been tossed a bit higher.

But at least we finally got to see what we have paid for.

[FHRaven]

Mac-9 was as accurate as I have seen him all year, 74% Completion and a 121 rating.

Sit back and enjoy the rest of the season!!!

I hope you are right because he was on fire most of the day. :hammer:

Was this the result of the change to Billick as OC? Two weeks of prep? Whatever it was I want to see it again next Sunday!!!! :thumbup:

[RavenDavey]

I expected this out of him sooner, but I'm glad he finally showed up!! There is no looking back now and I know we will be the talk of the town for some time to come. WE BEAT A VERY GOOD TEAM TODAY!!

[RavenDavey]

I think the road winning problems have also been rectified just as I thought by the best trade this franchise has ever made and that was in getting McNair!!! A lot of QB's would not be able to function well under all that noise and such a hostile environment. I can think of one in particular.;)

Are you still looking in that crystal ball that tells what could of happen in the past? My crystal ball says the "other one in particular" throws 6 TD passes and the NO Dome empties out by the 3rd quarter! Get off it already and enjoy the victory!!

[Greg]

Damn, I can't ignore when people quote him.

He can't talk about anything without taking some kind of shot at Boller. When he goes to the MVA to renew his license I am sure he tells the old ladies about how Boller would have fucked up printing his license. What a miserable way to go through life.

[Mobtown]

I think the road winning problems have also been rectified just as I thought by the best trade this franchise has ever made and that was in getting McNair!!! A lot of QB's would not be able to function well under all that noise and such a hostile environment. I can think of one in particular.;)


:grbac:

Let it go already.

[StingerNLG]

Guys, he's just looking for attention. The problem is you keep responding and quoting him, and you make him feel like we want him here.

[Ravens0587]

Damn, I can't ignore when people quote him.

Same problem here, I see "This message is hidden because Tex Ritter is on your ignore list." but then people quote him so I feel forced to read it.

[Raven31]

I was very pleased with McNair's performance yesterday. Here's hoping it continues. :thumbup:

[Gabrosin]

...you think we need to score 30+ to beat the Titans?

Seriously?

[Art-Florida]

Yeah, stop quoting the cretin. It is defeating the ignore feature. ...Unless we can get a 100% ignore ratio. <grin> :)

[crazyraven]

No reason why it shouldn't, although the Bengal defense will likely be a much bigger challenge than the Saints. I still think we probably lose our next two games unless we can score a bunch of points (over 30). Now I worry moreso about the defense, especially the secondary stopping anyone.

The good thing is that Mcnair has been able to win a game where the Defense allows more than 15 points a game. That seemed to be a sticking point with some people. I had pointed out that our previous QBs both had rough outings when the the Defense allows 20 or more points. At least with this game we see that the Offense and defense were both helping each other by scoring points when they had the oppunity to do so and that when the D fails to hold the 15 point plateu we were able to win regardless.

I'm not sure where the Saints fit in the league right now. They have a good record and should make the playoffs. But the good thing is we won again on the road to a "playoff Caliber" team. That is something we havent been able to do with our other QBs.

A lot of good stats were piled up in this game.

We scored 35 points.
Mcnair had a qb rating of 121.5.
Mcnair threw for 2 tds and ran for one
we had 293 yards of Total Offense
not that it really matters but a touchdown was scored by a WR.
Our 3rd down Efficiency was 57% our average is 37.9
Zero Ints
We had a drive that ate up 6:57 minutes of time

Is this a trend? Lets hope so.

[RavenDavey]

Yeah, stop quoting the cretin. It is defeating the ignore feature. ...Unless we can get a 100% ignore ratio. <grin> :)

IGNORED ON MY LIST!!

[RavenDavey]

I'm not sure where the Saints fit in the league right now. They have a good record and should make the playoffs. But the good thing is we won again on the road to a "playoff Caliber" team. That is something we havent been able to do with our other QBs.

A lot of good stats were piled up in this game.

We scored 35 points.
Mcnair had a qb rating of 121.5.
Mcnair threw for 2 tds and ran for one
we had 293 yards of Total Offense
not that it really matters but a touchdown was scored by a WR.
Our 3rd down Efficiency was 57% our average is 37.9
Zero Ints
We had a drive that ate up 6:57 minutes of time

Is this a trend? Lets hope so.

The Saints were a very good team, but they were playing high on emotions before we entered their psyche. They are probably seeking mental counseling for the offense as we speak.:insane:

The offense put up big stats as you show above and I am pleased. It was fun watching our offense be "exciting and confident." McNair played the way we expected him to when we signed him. The worst part:laugh: was Stover not getting any FG chances, but that gives credit to the red zone TD opportunities that we displayed. I sure Stover is happy with that as well!!

[Hook]

McNair has shown why he was well worth the money spent in what he has done with games on the road versus his predecessor alone.

Steve McNair - 2006 Road record as starting Ravens QB - 3 Wins 1 Loss

Kyle Boller - 2005 Road record as starting Ravens QB - 0 Wins 4 Losses

It is comforting to know that we have a QB who can win on the road
I think Kyle is learning from a good QB
and hopefully if given the chance he can do the same.


This is a valid comparison that jumps out at you as to the biggest difference that McNair has brought to the team. Last season Boller was throwing to the same receivers (Heap, Mason, Clayton) with the same offensive line and he was 0-4 on the road.
The Road part of that is true but Boller did play well at home.
He should get better just by watching.


I hope everyone can see that there should be no doubt that Steve McNair is the best option for starting QB for the Ravens for now and the foreseen future. He excudes confidence to his teammates that was lacking prior to his arrival. Thank goodness we have this guy. Thanks again Ozzie !!
This is why we have him
Having the opportunity to be 5-2 at this stage of the season
is why we spent the money on him
I'm happy we have him starting.

[highwater]

Yeah, stop quoting the cretin. It is defeating the ignore feature.

New man law -- stop quoting the cretin! :thumbup:

[StingerNLG]

MAN LAW!!

No fruiting the beer.......No quoting the unwanted cretin.

[crazyraven]

No quoting the unwanted cretin.


stop quoting the cretin


You can call me Jay, you can call me Ray, just don't call me late for dinner or a McNair basher, because I love the guy

That's a good Attitude Tex especially since you cant say Bollerland without being reprimanded. These guys can throw out personal insults left and right and nobody says a thing. Since Mcnair has done well they are stuck with ignore feature smack.The funny thing is that these two continue to do this.

[FHRaven]

Last season Boller was throwing to the same receivers (Heap, Mason, Clayton) with the same offensive line and he was 0-4 on the road.

Yeah, the lines are exactly same. Except Ogden is healthy and in his best shape in years. And Brown is in for Ed. Oh yeah, Flynn is healthy as well. And Pashos replaced Brown.

Other than all that the lines are exactly the same! :grbac:

[highwater]

Nice try at changing the subject -- as FHRaven pointed out, your claim that this is the same offensive line is a lie or a mistake. Either way, you are wrong.

[crazyraven]

Yeah, the lines are exactly same. Except Ogden is healthy and in his best shape in years. And Brown is in for Ed. Oh yeah, Flynn is healthy as well. And Pashos replaced Brown

Simply amazing. Pashos and Brown played on the line last year but for some reason they are not included in last years team? It's not like they are rookies or Free agents. I'd be filthy rich for the amount of times I heard some of you from the lover side said that Odgen isnt a shell of his old self but Now he's in the best shape of his life...lol. Some of you guys wanted to spend money used on mcnair for an O-linemen, Now you are quibbling that the O-line isn't the exact same starters from last year? Ok so its not the same exact starters but its still the same cast of characters... stop being anal.

[highwater]

"Stop being anal?" Since when is telling the truth being anal? The OL isn't the same as it was last year at this time -- Mule is done for the season, and Orlando Brown is done. What exactly don't you understand about that?

Your pal Tex said the OL is the same as last year, and someone called him out on that lie. You can spin all you want, but you cannot deny (with any credibility) that he's wrong.

[crazyraven]

Your pal Tex said the OL is the same as last year, and someone called him out on that lie.
Like I said your pal FH is being anal. the same cast of characters are still involved aside from O brown. In fact O Brown ,for a period of time, was inactive last season and pashos and J Brown saw some action last season. The oline did not have a complete overhaul. Sorry In my book thats being Anal.

As for this season Mules, he actually played with Mcnair this season and won with him in the lineup on the road. The other QBs cant say the same thing

[highwater]

So in other words, two of our five offensive linemen that started last season are gone, but the OL is exactly the same. That's brilliant thinking. Congratulations.

Okay, I'm done with this thread. Bye.

[crazyraven]

So in other words, two of our five offensive linemen that started last season are gone, but the OL is exactly the same.
So in other words you are not acknowledging that J brown and Pashos actually played and started last year and you too are being anal about who started. Again these guys are not new to the system and they have been part of the Ravens. You make it sound like they were LBs who are now starting on the OL first the first time. Again is it the same exact five starters ? no. but its the same cast of characters who played on this team on the O line.



Okay, I'm done with this thread. Bye.
in other words you know im right and you'd rather just hide.
bye bye dh

[darb72]

I just love how CR has proven to be a liar who knows nothing about football yet again and he claims victory.

His father said we have the same offensive line as last year. We don't. Hence CR and Tex are liars.

Of course it would be kind of hard to know who's playing on the offensive line since neither of these people actually bother watching the games.

[crazyraven]

Mulitalo/Rimpf will join [Jason Brown]/Tony Pashos, who have rotated all season. The unusual swapping of linemen has become a staple under Ravens coach Brian Billick.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/baltsun/access/926971061.html?dids=926971061:926971061&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Nov+16%2C+2005&author=BRENT+JONES&pub=The+Sun&desc=Ravens%3A+In+with+old%2C+out+with+new+


I just love how CR has proven to be a liar who knows nothing about football yet again and he claims victory.
This proves what I said that when theywere part of the cast of characters. Darb pleasee (no reallY) put me back on your ignore feature. your getting hurt by sticking your nose into my business. :thumbup:

[darb72]

Hurt?

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that you've ever won an argument against me?

Don't worry Jr. I'm here to make sure you and your daddy get your facts straight for a long, long while.

[crazyraven]

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that you've ever won an argument against me?
Ummmm Yea.


Don't worry Jr. I'm here to make sure you and your daddy get your facts straight for a long, long while.
You are? Interesting because your character has already shown that you will disappear or RUN when the going gets rough. I've already run you from one board...Its just a matter of time before I do it on this one and you go back into hiding again.

Best that you put me on your ignore list Fat Boy.

[FHRaven]

Oh, so were back to blaming the OL entirely for Boller's woeful historical ineptitude at the QB position once again and in particular his 0-4 road record last season. :rolleyes:

Gimme a break would ya? Does he ever do anything wrong in your estimation or is there always some excuse for his lack of quality play?:(

You would think by now after watching McNair you would finally realize that Boller just doesn't have it period!!! Are you still going to be making excuses for him when he gets released, which I predict is just a matter of time after this season? Give it up already.

So your entire response to the fact that your statement about the Oline was entirely wrong is to.......blame it on Boller? :rolling:

Debate the point, otherwise your presence here is pointless.

[Greg]

You would think by now after watching McNair you would finally realize that Boller just doesn't have it period!!! Are you still going to be making excuses for him when he gets released, which I predict is just a matter of time after this season? Give it up already.
Actually, after watching McNair struggle up until this past game I would think you would realize the issues Boller has dealt with. McNair's rating, the ultimate measuring stick for guys bashing Boller up until recently, is about 70 even after a very good performance. Boller's over the last 8 games is much better. I wonder how Boller would do with Billick as the OC?

Oh, and by the way, Boller will be here next year since he has another year on his contract. Over his last 6-8 games he has played well. What makes you think he is gone? He has done nothing but play damn well recently.

If you would take your anti-Boller glasses off you would see that.


It certainly doesn't take a genius to figure out by now the main problems last season wasn't with the offensive line is was with the two inept bunglers we had playing QB. McNair has now correct that major flaw on the team, hence we are 5-2. You should be happy about it!!!
I wish people wouldn't quote you, it gets me back to reading your nonsense. McNair's rating is 70, we aren't 5-2 because of stellar QB play. We are 5-2 because while McNair played like crap we were playing shitty teams, luckily he stepped up against New Orleans. Meanwhile, over the last several games Boller has out-played McNair statistically. You can do all the machinations you want but McNair has played 6 games and when you compare that to Boller's last 6 games he is better.

[FHRaven]

Try scrolling down and reading my next post before making incorrect statements. It certainly doesn't take a genius to figure out by now the main problems last season wasn't with the offensive line is was with the two inept bunglers we had playing QB. McNair has now correct that major flaw on the team, hence we are 5-2. You should be happy about it!!!

I unfortunately read all of your posts. You are wrong again. You said the Oline was the same. I proved it was not. Unless you have the ability to somehow alter realty (besides in your own mind), you were and are still wrong.

[Greg]

Once again, NOW it is W/L record, when Boller was 18-16 as a starter I can recall quite clearly you and others were dismissing it as the defense and running game that won those games and that Boller's rating was the preferred measuring stick.

You hate Boller and you will never give him a fair shake. You have proven that, therefore your opinion is useless which is why I should stop clicking to view your nonsense.

[crazyraven]

McNair's rating is 70, we aren't 5-2 because of stellar QB play. We are 5-2 because while McNair played like crap we were playing shitty teams, luckily he stepped up against New Orleans. Meanwhile, over the last several games Boller has out-played McNair statistically. You can do all the machinations you want but McNair has played 6 games and when you compare that to Boller's last 6 games he is better.

Well at least you're not claiming that Bollers 3 quarters are better than Mcnairs first 6 games. I know you didnt but some cretins were. That was a little sickening during the bye week. Anyway I don't care if you downgrade the competition because its whats in front of us. The Ravens do not set up the schedule they just play who they are told to play. If they beat the teams that they should then all should be good and so far we have. in the past Boller hasn't been able to win the games he was suppose to. Bollers last 6 games he managed a 3-3 record regardless of his wonderful stats. His 6 games stats were better...So what?...Had he won against the browns he'd have a better record. Again not winning the games he should. I'm sure that changed Billicks and Ozzies perception of him, which caused them to go out and get Mcnair.

[darb72]

Was McNair brought in to improve our offense? Yes.

Has he improved our offense? No.

If you honestly don't think Dilfer, Wright, Boller, Blake or Redman couldn't have won that game Sunday with the defense forcing 5 turn-overs than you're even more oblivious than I thought.

[Greg]

Let's be fair, McNair played very well this past Sunday. Before that, no.

[darb72]

McNair played great Sunday. No question about it.

I've seen every other QB in a Ravens uniform have one or two great games a year though.

We brought McNair in for consistancy and he hasn't shown it to me yet.

Again I honestly don't think it's him. I think, and have stats to actually prove what I say, that this system will produce exactly the same stats regardless of what QB is in there.

That's why I didn't like the McNair signing. Why pay $33 million for a pro-bowl type QB when we can get the same things from a journeyman?

[darb72]

And you don't think the defense forcing 5 turnovers helped at all?

Or the defense allowing only a little over 10 points a game has had anything to do with our record?

Why don't you actually try watching the games before you comment on how this defense isn't helping us?

[Hook]

Why pay $33 million for a pro-bowl type QB when we can get the same things from a journeyman?

If this was true,
Anthony Wright and Kyle Boller
would be fighting to be under center.
Yes, A change was needed.

A change in QB
was a step in the right direction
that a Journeyman couldn't provide
as we have had many journeyman here in charm city.


Yes we needed a QB
who had a winning reputation.
a heart of Gold
and a million dollar smile.
Finally the team seems to be ready to turn the corner.
Thank you for bringing Steve McNair to Baltimore.
So far he has been worth the Money.

[darb72]

Really?

You think that paying $33 million for a 70 QB rating is a good investment?

Tripping over his own feet?

Throwing untimely interceptions?

These are things we could have gotten with a journeyman.

Seriously, do you people actually watch the games? I'm not trying to be a dick here, it just eludes me how you can say McNair has played better than any other QB we've had here when the stats and tape show that he hasn't.

[Hook]

I'm not trying to be a dick here, it just eludes me how you can say McNair has played better than any other QB we've had here when the stats and tape show that he hasn't

You're not trying to be a dick?
Seems like your working overtime at it.
but thats neither here nor there.
Your other jibberish is just that.

Mcnair's record speaks for itself.
If you can't see that there is change from last year
then you truly are lost and have an agenda
of who you want to start.

I feel better with Mc9 everytime.
If he can't do it then I'd be happy with Boller.
Nuff Said

[darb72]

You're not trying to be a dick?
Seems like your working overtime at it.
but thats neither here nor there.
Your other jibberish is just that.

First off, what the heck is "jibberish"? There is no such word in the English language.

Now if you mean "gibberish" then you're even more confused than I had thought. I posted stats. Those are what win arguments when people say things that are factually un-true. Try it some time.


Mcnair's record speaks for itself.
If you can't see that there is change from last year
then you truly are lost and have an agenda
of who you want to start.

I really shoudn't have expected someone who writes "jibberish" to actually read the whole post I suppose. I think McNair should start. We gave him $33 million dollars, I think we should get some return for that.

As for a change from last year, I'm really not seeing it. As was discussed in an earlier post I see the Ravens QB tripping over his own feet, hitting defenders in the numbers with the ball, throwing passes that are so wildly inaccurate that we can only guess where it was supposed to go etc...

The offense has not improved. Unless you plan on picking and choosing the games we get the stats from of course.


I feel better with Mc9 everytime.

Yeah, somehow after the whole "heart of gold/million dollar smile" comment I don't really doubt that.

[Hook]

First off, what the heck is "jibberish"? There is no such word in the English language.

obviously, Jibberish is a typo
But I imagine you realized that
since your not trying to be a dick and all.


I posted stats. Those are what win arguments when people say things that are factually un-true. Try it some time.

Stats don't win a thing.
you can mold stats to say what you want.
I tend to think of wins and losses as the
be all and end all of stats.
As do most fans.
you can find those stats
in your local newspaper next to the
Family Circle cartoon in some states
People who quote stats
try to sculpt an image of Bullshit
I'd rather deal with the facts.
Did we win or lose?
Talk to me when we lose with Mc9
You might actually have ground to stand on
Until then
keep a lid on it.
Thanks.

btw is un-true a word or did you mean to say untrue?

[Greg]

If I am not mistaken darb has an advanced degree in literature. He's an ex OL, they may be big and clumsy but they are usually brighter than your average player.

Now, let's tone down these attacks, please.

One small piece of advice, Hook, don't use the return key, let the page format it for you. I got a kind of disjointed feel reading your takes.

Now, as for McNair, if you folks want to contend that we have 5 wins because of McNair, go right ahead. I would contend he obviously gets a lot of credit for New Orleans, a good bit for Tampa and beyond that the defense won the other 3, hands down. Yeah, he had some heroics against Cleveland and San Diego and I can even credit that, but the first 57 minutes of those games was quite Anthony Wrightish.

[darb72]

Stats don't win a thing.
you can mold stats to say what you want.

No, stats are pretty much black and white. Ruthlessburger threw 4 INTs the other day. That means he had a bad day.
McNair has a 70 QB rating. That puts him pretty low in the standings and that's pretty much how he has played.


I tend to think of wins and losses as the
be all and end all of stats.
As do most fans.

A lot of fans know nothing about the sport they're supposed to be "fans" of. Don't believe me? Try having a conversation with a random person at the game about play-action passes or screens.


People who quote stats
try to sculpt an image of Bullshit
I'd rather deal with the facts.

Again I find myself going back to the whole "heart of gold/million dollar smile" comment. Of course I could also bring up "I feel better with Mc9 everytime." That may be a fact, but not one that will actually help you in this argument. That is a gut feeling. Now when I say, "I don't feel comfortable with this system because prior to the Carolina game 2/3 of our drives ended with one or fewer first downs." That is bringing a stat to the table that you can't refute.


Did we win or lose?
Talk to me when we lose with Mc9

Sigh... Ok, I'll toss out some more stats for your viewing pleasure. Last year we were 5-2 with Boller/Wright when the defense allowed fewer than 15 points. This year we're 4-1 with McNair. So it seems a lot of QBs win if the defense doesn't allow the opposing team to score very many points.

So tell me once again how much McNair has helped this team. Please use stats to back up your argument this time.


btw is un-true a word or did you mean to say untrue?

Un-true is correct in the way I was using it. I wanted a pause in the middle to put an emphasis on the "un" part.

[darb72]

Since you keep telling me to "watch the games" I am going to tell you to start looking at the scores of the game since McNair has arrived. They are now more often in the Ravens favor.

Exactly how many times will I have to actually post this before it sinks in with you people?

This year we are 4-1 when the defense allows 15 or fewer points. Last year we were 5-2. Of course we're going to win more games since the defense is playing better than it did last year.


McNair is a winner and brings leadership, poise, experience, calmness, and confidence to the Baltimore QB position. These qualities simply did not nor do they exist with Kyle Boller. That is a fact beyond dispute.

Ok, since this is a "fact beyond dispute" prove it. You can't. Ergo it is not a fact, rather your opininon.


The game is more about wins and losses than stats.

Yet exactly how many games has McNair won for us, that we can't turn around and say "Hey, the defense played lights out"?
Saints? The defense forced 5 turnovers and actually scored two TDs on their own.
Bucs?
Raiders?
Chargers?
Bronc... never mind that one.

Same can be said of Boller and Wright with a few exceptions. McNair will probably have a couple of those games. It happens every year.

We paid $33 million dollars for someone who has not put up better stats than any QB before him.
"Oh well he lead on two drives that won the games for us!" Yeah, after playing worse that pathetic for the first 58 minutes.


Ben Rothlesberger had a terrible rating as a superbowl QB but his team won didn't it?

I guess you didn't watch that game either did you? The Seahawks were ripped off by the Refs in that game. Everybody who actually saw the game admits this.

[darb72]

I can remember a couple of offensive players complimenting Kyle. Doesn't change the fact that it is still an opinion.

Heck, in the Carolina game (that I actually watched unlike some people in this conversation) Boller looked more poised back there than Steve had up to that point.

Now try to refute the actuall facts I laid out for you. You can't.
Perhaps you've forgotten them since that pesky dementia things got ya down so I'll just post them again.

With McNair we are 4-1 when the defense allows 15 points or fewer.
With Boller/Wright we were 5-2.


Has not justified his selection at number 19 in the first round of the NFL draft. In other words- a bust.

While McNair has justified $33 million? Uh-huh.

McNair has a 70 QB rating which makes him 25th.

His longest pass is 38 yards.

7 TDs, 7 INTs.

He has a 5.5 YPA average.

Now, either something is wrong with this system or McNair sucks donkey dongs. Your call.

[darb72]

Love the way you keep throwing up the Steelers SuperBowl joke(I will never call that a victory) when trying to downplay how badly McNair has sucked this year.

You do realize that the Refs handed that game to the Steelers don't you? I mean you actually watched at least that one game?

They didn't win. The Steelers got out-played up and down the field by the Seahawks, but the NFL wanted Bettis to have a SuperBowl in his hometown.

Of course in your world I suppose Andrew Walter is probably on his way to the HOF after beating the Steelers on Sunday.

[FHRaven]

Let's see. Flynn was the center for Boller and is for McNair. Ogden the LT for Boller, same for McNair, Mulitato was the LG ,same for McNair until recently,Vincent was the RG for Boller I believe for a while until he got hurt and replaced by Rimph, and McNair has Vincent, who many believe is worse than Rimph anyway, and Boller had Pashos at RT and so does McNair.

Not exactly a big difference there whatsover and its not in McNair's favor anyway. . So again, what is your point?

Are you completely dense? :grbac: I know you don't watch the games because as I stated J. BROWN IS NOW PLAYING FOR MULITALO and PASHOS IS PLAYING FOR O. BROWN. These are DIFFERENT players than last year.

And to ignore the health of a player is truly an epic error of judgement.

My point is that YOU ARE WRONG. You said McNair was playing behind the exact same line. This is simply not true! All of your spinning will not make it true. You just look like the foolish, bitter Boller-Hater that you are.

If you want to argue at least try to get the verifiable facts correct! :rolling:

[Greg]

In the Super Bowl there were several other factors to the Seahawks loss besides the refs. One was the good play of Hines Ward getting so wide open old19fan could hit him and Rottenburger's lame duck barely got to him. Two, Randel El threw a nice pass. Three, Willie Parker long TD. Four, horrid coaching and two minute drills during each half by Seahawks and Holmgren, who had a lot of fucking nerve calling the refs out.

What didn't contribute to the Seahawks defeat was Rottenburger, he was terrible in that game.

[darb72]

Guess what, in Superbowl III Joe Namath had zero TD passes and the Jets won that game by not turning the ball over and running the ball (along with their MVP - Earl Morrall) .So it is not always about the QB lighting up the stats sheet its about doing what it takes to win games. McNair is a master at it and Boller is lousy. You can spin it all you want but after 30 plus games

You do realize that McNair turns the ball over about once a game right? So that little example of yours is out the window.

As for Boller after 30 games you do realize that in McNairs third season he put up stats very, very similar to Bollers second year (which is the first year both QBs were 16 game starters for their teams)? Of course you also know that the "winner" McNair went 8-8 while Boller went 9-7.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[darb72]

Maybe you should ask yourself your last question, because as usual you overlook the obvious. McNair did not have the level of talent around him that Boller has. In fact very few young QB's start out with a playoff ready team. Most either start out with a losing team with a high draft pick or set the bench learning behind an established starter on a veteran team.

I'm sorry, but the talent Boller had surrounding him? You mean like Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson or Kevin Johnson?

I've been semi-joking with you about that whole senility thing, but you might want to get it checked out.

[StingerNLG]

I'm sorry, but the talent Boller had surrounding him? You mean like Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson or Kevin Johnson?

Darb darb darb. You forgot the great Clarance Moore, who was the #1 receiver on the 2004 Ravens when Travis Taylor went down for half the season with a groin injury game 1.

How can you compare Derrick Mason to Clarance Moore Darb. Shame on you. Then again, we so quickly forget people like that aren't watching the games, so they don't remember who was on the team the last couple of years.

[crazyraven]

Darb darb darb. You forgot the great Clarance Moore, who was the #1 receiver on the 2004 Ravens when Travis Taylor went down for half the season with a groin injury game 1.

Funny how you will call the Vikings a Playoff caliber team with those two receivers but when Boller has them they are junk.

[StingerNLG]

Funny how you will call the Vikings a Playoff caliber team with those two receivers but when Boller has them they are junk.

Clarence Moore plays for the Vikings? Wow, news to me.

BTW, Taylor is still junk. Doesn't mean the Vikings werent in the playoff hunt when they got here.

Sigh.......... Now I get why Darb keeps going. I see why it's so hard to resist.

[darb72]

Also, Boller had a 2,000 yard rusher in Jamal and an all-pro TD named Heap.
I'm sorry, but Jamal only played in 12 games and rushed for 1,000 yards in Bollers second season. Heap only played in 7 games that year. Want to try again?

Anyway, what is Boller's excuse for last season where he sucked in both the pre-season and regular season with Mason, Heap, and Clayton?
I don't know. What is McNairs excuse for putting up exactly the same stats?


Now I get why Darb keeps going. I see why it's so hard to resist.
I know. You would think real fans of the team could keep up with which players are on it. I mean it's not like Moore caught a TD last week.

[crazyraven]

Clarence Moore plays for the Vikings? Wow, news to me.
DOH :grbac:
I F'd up...I was thinking Robinson but you did write Moore. My bad. And I'm sure you all know who I meant anyway. Hey people make mistakes like stinger did when he thought that Odgen played on defense.