4 players fined for Monday's game!

[Fiesty Ravens Chic]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d804e3a0e&template=without-video&confirm=true

What a crock of shit! I can understand fining Bart because he threw the flag into the stands but to fine Rolle, CMac and Mason are being fined for speaking to the media about their own feelings?? I am really starting to hate the game officials who work for the NFL!! What a joke they all are..Oh wait I said this I public I may get a fine for it:grbac:

[Galen Sevinne]

"fined for violating league rules prohibiting the abuse of game officials"

great line...sounds a little dramatic to me though.

"league rules also bar team personnel from verbal or other non-physical abuse of officials and from public criticism of their integrity"
another great line. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy remembering sitting in world history class with the "hot for Teacher" Ms. Gerace..yum-yum! :) . She would use sexy language like this when talking about Stalin and Mao.


Hey, at least there were no suspensions. I think at one point there was talk of suspending Bart.

[highwater]

Most fines I've read about this year have been in the $7,500 area, and those have either included illegal hits or idiotic celebrations. Bart Scott getting hit with a $25K fine seems pretty excessive. He SHOULD be fined, but $25K?

The other fines seem exessive too, but I think we all saw this coming. Heaven forbid a player or coach should say anything remotely critical of officials.

[Fiesty Ravens Chic]

Where are the fines for the game officials who abused Rolle?? Oh yeah that is right the NFL saw nothing wrong with calling a grown man a "boy"
And they wonder why people stop following professional sports. Because CRAP like this!!

[Galen Sevinne]

Where are the fines for the game officials who abused Rolle?? Oh yeah that is right the NFL saw nothing wrong with calling a grown man a "boy"
And they wonder why people stop following professional sports. Because CRAP like this!!

After listening to the refs side of the story, Periera and the other officials decided that what was said to Rolle was acceptable in this instance. Just like it was acceptable that the time out called by an assistant coach, while not being procedurally allowed, is okay in some instances - like this one, and while the catch by gaffney was questionable, it was okay because there is something about fingertips now being able to maintain control of a football and while the holding call on Winborne was so-so, it is a penalty that should be called in all instances although in many it isn't but this instance seemd like a good one to exercise that judgement.

Not really bitching about the refs but four example of "grey area" judgements all going against the hometown boys. Boy that final NFL Network game just inceased its value some more.

[AZRAVEN]

"This includes reminding game officials that they are to conduct themselves at all times as professionals in their dealings with players, coaches, and other club personnel.”

So I take it this little blurb covers all that will be said/done to the official for his baiting of Rolle? What a crock of crap! I'm also glad Mr Anderson thinks the game was "well officiated". As far as I'm concerned there is no integrity among officials in any sport, I believe they are capable of anything and I definitely believe they play favorites.

[festivus]

Notably absent is any fine of BB for being *subtly* critical. He says stuff like "I can't criticize the officials. You all can criticize the officials, if you saw something warranting that approach, but I can't," and the league can't fine him for that.

This is why I said in another thread, BB takes care of this kind of stuff for the players. He is Their Guy. They should remember they have an expert in their corner, and shut their traps.

[AZRAVEN]

I enjoyed that Harrison got fined for yapping at Billick but Billick didn't get fined for "the kiss". hehehe

[highwater]

I enjoyed that Harrison got fined for yapping at Billick but Billick didn't get fined for "the kiss". hehehe

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you know something I don't know, because there is nothing in the linked article about Harrison getting fined. Did he really get fined? He should have been, but I haven't seen anything about it.

[AZRAVEN]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you know something I don't know, because there is nothing in the linked article about Harrison getting fined. Did he really get fined? He should have been, but I haven't seen anything about it.

Yes, I saw on ESPN where Harrison was fined, I think it was $5,000 for his altercation with Billick but Billick was not fined for anything. I don't have a link it was just commented on.

I'm to dumb about computers to link things but I did just go into the SI.com website for the Pats and clicked on the Boston Globe link at the bottom of the page and it was there. Harrison was fined $5,000 for his altercation with Billick.

[highwater]

Yes, I saw on ESPN where Harrison was fined, I think it was $5,000 for his altercation with Billick but Billick was not fined for anything. I don't have a link it was just commented on.

Cool -- Harrison should be fined, and I don't think Billick should have been fined for anything, since he obviously wasn't the one who started the exchange.

I wasn't really doubting you, I was just surprised because I had seen and heard multiple reports about the Ravens players getting fined, but nothing about Harrison.

[xmradiodave]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1049536

[HoustonRaven]

Again, Im in the minority here ....

First, there was nothing "grey" about the penalties. Our team, like they have been doing it since the Detroit meltdown, kill themselves with penalties, fines, etc. There was nothing "grey" about the hold (he was 10+ yards downfield and had an arm draped all over the receiver) or the TD (fingertips have always been posession -- hell, Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss have made a career of fingertip catches).

The fines are consistant with with past players and coaches and are deserved. If you speak out and its recorded you get fined per incident. I know of at least two times Mason and Rolle publicly gave their distain to the officiating crew.

Seriously folks, until people stop looking our beloved team with purple glasses and start demanding we have a well-disciplined team, nothing is going to change.

We DID have a meltdown. It's so much easier to blame the boogy man for your misgivings. It's long about time we man up, take a long look in the mirror and demand more from our team.

[Ravens52]

These refs are full of you know what and the league is too. It is interesting that Harrison is fined 5k for unsportsman like conduct but he was not FLAGGED for it during the game. Whatever.:thumbdown:

[xmradiodave]

Ultimately no one knows what the Ref exactly said to rolle and vice-versa. The players were penalized financially for breaking league rules. You do not have to like it, but it is over and done with. Now maybe our guys can focus on playing a hard game against the colts. This topic is stale.

[Galen Sevinne]

Again, Im in the minority here ....

First, there was nothing "grey" about the penalties.

The incidents I mentioned were cetainly grey. Grey in the sense that they could have gone either way and been okay calls. I am not saying they were wrong the way they were decided but if they were called the other way, there would have been just as much justification. I am not suggesting a conspiracy or any premeditaion at all. It just that this is the way the Ravens season has gone. Ambiguity went the way of the Pats there at the end and as a result they got the "W".

[RavenScallywag]

The NFL made a fortune off this game...25k from Scott, 15k each from Rolle, McAlister, and Mason, and now 5k from Rodney Harrison, for taunting, causing Billick's Kissy-Face reaction.

So, off fines alone, $75,000...IN ONE GAME!

[HoustonRaven]

Speaking of money, that game was the most watch show ever in Cable TV history ....

If you think our reputation was bad before this game, a total of 17.5 million people saw just how undisciplined we are. :(

[highwater]

If you think our reputation was bad before this game, a total of 17.5 million people saw just how undisciplined we are. :(

Will you get over it, Houston -- stop assuming you know what 17.5 million people thought about the game. There is a possibility that several million of those people thought something along the lines of "Hey, that was the best MNF game I've seen in years, right down to the wire," not "The Ravens are undisciplined."

I understand your point of view on this subject but get off the soapbox, this has been discussed all week long.

[HoustonRaven]

I understand your point of view on this subject but get off the soapbox, this has been discussed all week long.

Simma! I'm the only one on our teams back about this? You act like I am the only one! :insane:

[highwater]

Simma! I'm the only one on our teams back about this? You act like I am the only one!

No, you are definitely not alone; I don't even disagree with there being a problem with a lack of discipline, I guess I'm just tired of hearing about it.

But implying that a worldwide audience is going to come away from this game hating the Ravens is going a bit too far, IMO. In spite of the fourth quarter meltdown, I think a lot of fans were probably impressed with the effort, seeing as how we were 20 point underdogs.

[HoustonRaven]

No, you are definitely not alone; I don't even disagree with there being a problem with a lack of discipline, I guess I'm just tired of hearing about it.

But implying that a worldwide audience is going to come away from this game hating the Ravens is going a bit too far, IMO. In spite of the fourth quarter meltdown, I think a lot of fans were probably impressed with the effort, seeing as how we were 20 point underdogs.

I hear ya and, in spite of my harsh words towards the team, Im as frustrated with everything as you are.

My perspective is a bit unique since I travel pretty much the entire western half of the US -- and Im visible with my support, wearing my Ravens gear whenever I can. The one thing I hear is universal is about our reputation.

It pisses me off to no end, for sure. But sometimes, like after Monday night, I cant defend it and that more than anything gets under my skin.

:(

[highwater]

My perspective is a bit unique since I travel pretty much the entire western half of the US -- and Im visible with my support, wearing my Ravens gear whenever I can. The one thing I hear is universal is about our reputation.

I can certainly understand that perspective, and kudos to you for wearing your Ravens gear everywhere.

This was just such an interesting game, on so many levels, that even five days later I haven't sorted it all out myself. It's impossible for me to be objective about it but I've heard several people this week say it was the most entertaining game they've seen all year. Some of them were Ravens fans, of course, but some of them were pretty neutral, just fans watching a MNF game, and they seem to think it was great theatre. It did go down to the wire, after all, and that is what I think most people took away from it, not Bart Scott's meltdown. An undefeated team coming from behind with less than a minute left to pull out a win, and the penalites and controversy probably just added to the drama.

As I think I said on another thread, I agree our players do too much yapping, but this game was so different (I'm referring to the official's trash talking) that I feel like giving the players a pass, except Scott, who clearly hurt the team with his fit.

We were SO CLOSE to winning this game, which would have been the upset of the year, that I'm still cranky about it. Sorry if I sounded touchy earlier.

[RavenScallywag]

the sad fact is, the haters will ALWAYS find a way to make our team worse than we are...

If we hadn't had the penalties, it would've been "The Ravens still can't finish a game" or "Boller still isn't perfect". I think a great deal of people, outside the Ravens fans, noticed that we played a very tough game and earned back a lot of respect we'd lost in the past few months...so all in all, I think the scales on this team shifted a lot, although a lot of people will try like hell to make "Undisciplened" shine above all that.