Go With Smith!!!!!

[HoustonRaven]

It's either the 12 Jameson's or I think I've seen the future QB for the Ravens in the near future.

In 4 plays, Smith has shown he has more desire then McBoller combined. And thats enough for me the rest of the way this year.

[TTRaven]

Yes Smith looked good, but it was against 3rd stringers. I'm all for letting the guy start the rest of the season, but not even close to calling him our QB of the future. He still has a long way to go.

[Sephy]

Honestly, you might as well. We play Miami next week, there will not be a better opponent to cut his teeth on.

[Bez513]

Boller just doesn't have it. Let Smith start and see what he can do.

[Sephy]

Oh, and Billick will never do it.

[StingerNLG]

I'm all for it at this point. We need to see what this guy has.

Here's the problem, Billick hasn't been able to design an offense to work with any QB in the last 9 years. He is just going to send Troy Smith out there with the same old plays.

[purplepoe]

But what about all the things working against Boller?

I mean, it was a bit chilly.

And it was a little rainy.

And of course the OL let him down along with the receivers.

His horrendous play wasn't really his fault.

It's someone else's.

It's over.

Troy Smith is FAR from ready and last week I said it would be a bad idea to start him.

After the atrocious crap I witnessed tonight?

Start him.

And to anyone who wants to try to explain the horrendous play Boller showed tonight.....save it.

PP

[HoustonRaven]

Sting,

I agree, but I think we need a change of perspective here.

Im starting to think we have been looking at our team wrong all this time. We (including me) have been looking at this team in a vacuum. For whatever reason, BB has been getting pass after pass for his shortcomings.

Is our D good because of Billick? Or have they been good all this time in spite of Billick? Is our offense bad because of chemistry? Or has Billick been the reason we have been this bad?

If I was in a job and I was only effective 50% of the time, I'd be fired in a heart beat. So, with Billick only being effective with half of his job (the Defense) is there any reason to keep him at this point?

Im drunk so I may not be making any sense, but how far off am I???

[Dont Know]

And of course the OL let him down along with the receivers.

Well, I would say they did, as they did for Troy.

Troy WAS running for his life and when he didn't run it in himself, Figurs couldn't catch it in the end zone.

But none of those things are fixable in the remaining season, but rather for the off season so ...


Go Troy!

[purplepoe]

Well, I would say they did, as they did for Troy.

Troy WAS running for his life and when he didn't run it in himself, Figurs couldn't catch it in the end zone.

But none of those things are fixable in the remaining season, but rather for the off season so ...


Go Troy!

The OL didn't force him to make horrendous decisions.

Look, I get that the OL lacks consistency etc....

But what we saw tonight should convince everyone that this team is in DIRE need of a young, talented QB that can be groomed.

Period.

PP

[StingerNLG]

Sting,

I agree, but I think we need a change of perspective here.

Im starting to think we have been looking at our team wrong all this time. We (including me) have been looking at this team in a vacuum. For whatever reason, BB has been getting pass after pass for his shortcomings.

Is our D good because of Billick? Or have they been good all this time in spite of Billick? Is our offense bad because of chemistry? Or has Billick been the reason we have been this bad?

If I was in a job and I was only effective 50% of the time, I'd be fired in a heart beat. So, with Billick only being effective with half of his job (the Defense) is there any reason to keep him at this point?

Im drunk so I may not be making any sense, but how far off am I???


I don't think Billick has gotten any passes for his shortcomings from the fans. The pass has come from above.

Our defense is good because of Rex Ryan. Not because of Brian Billick. But now you see how bad our secondary is when you have to rely on backups who can't play in the NFL. Pittman, Martin, and Ivy are simply not going to cut it. They can NOT play. You saw it tonight.

Our offense is bad for a number of reasons. Bad QB play, bad OL play, no #1 wide receiver on the roster, injuries all over the place, total lack of imagination in playcalling. The offense is a shit sangwich that has a ton of ingredients.

What in the hell do you do? Where do you even start? What the fuck?

It starts with Billick. Bottom line. Billick has ZERO playcalling imagination.

[HoustonRaven]

The OL didn't force him to make horrendous decisions.

Look, I get that the OL lacks consistency etc....

But what we saw tonight should convince everyone that this team is in DIRE need of a young, talented QB that can be groomed.

Period.

PP

So Agreed ....

And with that we will also need PATIENCE! He will be raw and will make mistakes so I will hate it when I hear people calling for his head the second he fucks up.

[StingerNLG]

The OL didn't force him to make horrendous decisions.

Look, I get that the OL lacks consistency etc....

But what we saw tonight should convince everyone that this team is in DIRE need of a young, talented QB that can be groomed.

Period.

PP


What good is another QB without an offense to build around? I'm ALL for starting Troy Smith now. But the bottom line is that EVERY SNAP Troy had to break containment and run for his life, and that was against 3rd stringers.

With all due respect to Troy, you think if Bob Sanders was still in the game Smith would have done anything?

We are in DIRE need of a LOT of things right now. QB, CB, DE. And I still am not convinced in that order after watching Pittman and Martin play tonight.


But most importantly:
NO QB is the answer for the Baltimore Ravens as long as Brian Billick has his hands on the offense. Bottom line.

[RavenFanatic2k6]

We are in DIRE need of a LOT of things right now. QB, CB, DE. And I still am not convinced in that order after watching Pittman and Martin play tonight.


If you aren't convinced of that order after watching Kyle Boller play tonight, then you need to have your eyes checked.

We will have McAlister and probably Rolle back next year. I am willing to take the chance that they will stay healthy, and draft a CB in the second. We are quite likely going to pick in the top 5, we can not pass on the opportunity to draft Matt Ryan or Brian Brohm. I have said before and I will say it again, getting a franchise QB and getting the right one is the quickest way to turn around the franchise.

And you know what else, it doesn't really matter if McAlister and Rolle stay healthy or not. Next season is going to be a rebuilding year, unless we go out and get a veteran QB on the level of McNabb, there is no reason to believe the Ravens will compete next year. Next year will about getting young guys experience, letting Boller keep the seat warm for our top pick. 2009 and beyond is what we should be looking toward.

As for the topic of the thread, there is no reason not to start Smith. Boller shown everyone what he is, a mediocre backup at best. See what Smith can do.

[ExiledRaven]

At this point...what is there to lose? He looked good in the game...he moved around well. He made plays on the run and while he moved around he looked downfield.

The "miss" to figurs....can't really call that a miss as if he puts it anywhere else it's a pick, figurs is 1 foot closer to the ball, that's a big TD.

The throw to Willis also impressed me....rather than keep running Smith looked downfield, saw a man open that could get the first down and hit him on the run.

Heck, if Smith plays well against Miami then see what happens with the 'Hawks and Steelers. If Smith works out, then you can grab a guy like Dixon in round 4-6 to be the #3, drop Mac9, Boller is the #2.

Smith works, then you can go after Cason, Campbell, Long, or Malcolm Jenkins in the first round. A guy like Mario Manningham might be just what the Dr. ordered in the second if smith is really "the man."

I hope the country can see what the kid can do. Madden might be crazy, but he knows players when he seems them. Hearing him talk about smith in that manner after hearing these "waste of a pick" rumblings from the Ravens organization....really makes me wonder if this team can evaluate QB talent AT ALL.

[GreenWave52]

It is time to ride Troy Smith for the rest of the season. Lets see what he has, because what he shows us could potentially drastically alter our draft strategy (QB vs CB in the first).

Kyle is an ok back-up but he doesn't have a high enough football IQ to succeed consistently. Therefore we cannot win with him as a starter. McNair may be done depending on how he feels this offseason. We need to see if anyone on this team is viable long term at the most important position in football.

I made a prediction before the draft that Troy Smith would end up with a better pro career than Brady Quinn. I still stand by that.

[StingerNLG]

If you aren't convinced of that order after watching Kyle Boller play tonight, then you need to have your eyes checked.

We will have McAlister and probably Rolle back next year. I am willing to take the chance that they will stay healthy, and draft a CB in the second. We are quite likely going to pick in the top 5, we can not pass on the opportunity to draft Matt Ryan or Brian Brohm. I have said before and I will say it again, getting a franchise QB and getting the right one is the quickest way to turn around the franchise.

And you know what else, it doesn't really matter if McAlister and Rolle stay healthy or not. Next season is going to be a rebuilding year, unless we go out and get a veteran QB on the level of McNabb, there is no reason to believe the Ravens will compete next year. Next year will about getting young guys experience, letting Boller keep the seat warm for our top pick. 2009 and beyond is what we should be looking toward.

As for the topic of the thread, there is no reason not to start Smith. Boller shown everyone what he is, a mediocre backup at best. See what Smith can do.

Well, that's all fine and dandy dude. Apparently you skipped over the part where I said I was all for putting Troy Smith in. But if you can't see that simply throwing another QB at the situation and crossing your fingers he doesn't get beat to shit, hurt, or put in situations where he can't play to win, then I think you also need to be sitting in the same seat getting your eyes checked.

Answer these questions for me:

1) Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayton, Devard Darling, Derrick Mason right now would be a #1 receiver on what other team right now that has a winning record?

2) Dan Wilcox is a #1 Tight End on what team currently in contention?

3) How many sweeps, draws, traps, or swing/screen passes have we thrown to our RB's this year? Both Boller and McNair combined?

4) How many times did Troy Smith against a backup defense had to scramble and run to make a play?

5) How many defensive coordinators do you think have stayed up extra nights to prepare for a Brian Billick offensive?

Let's get a dose of reality for just a second. Outside of the fact that the QB play sucks, and now we're probably going after our 11th QB in 10 years now, tell me exactly what on offense you DO see that says "respect me" to any other coach in the league? T'aint much.

Seriously, we've seen the answer isn't Boller, McNair, Grbac, Banks, Blake, Wright, Cunningham, etc. And it seems no one on the planet thinks Troy Smith is the answer either although these were his first snaps in the NFL tonight. You guys aren't really stirring any confidence in me that in the end Smith will be any better than any of the guys above if you don't think he's the long term solution before even seeing him play against a real NFL defense.

Not that I have any expectations for Troy Smith. He would be trying to run a Brian Billick I-Formation offense you know.

So tell me exactly what confidence you have that just plugging in a Matt Ryan or Colt Brennan into this system is going to give you the instant results that 11 other guys couldn't. I need to know, because I am at a complete loss right now.

[purple bird]

Plugging a new qb will effectively give the new coordinator (that we can be almost assured will be forced upon Billick by Biscotti) a "fresh start". Even if the coordinator is Neuheisel (where Neuheisel actually has control of the offense, unlike this year), I think that Boller has been mentally screwed by the way Billick threw him into the fire too soon and so his career is pretty much destroyed. I think both Billick (I am NOT at all saying he should be offensive coordinator next year) and/or Neuheisel would defnitely handle the "new blood" differently than how Boller was handled because (at least Billick) would have the mistaken experience of throwing someone in too early as he did with Boller.

Let me repeat, I am in NO WAY saying I endorse Billick as offensive coordinator.

[purple bird]

Yes it looks bad when your qb has to worry about the pressure of third stringers; but the real point is that Smith handled the pressure pretty well and manufactured plays behind the same atrocious line play that Boller couldn't muster anything out of.
Smith seems like a player, Boller is more of a robot.

[TTRaven]

It's simple, we would hopefully be plugging in a QB who knows what the hell he is doing! I get so tired of the offensive line excuse. Every NFL QB has their protection break down. It's what they do when that happens that makes them a legit NFL QB. Kyle Boller simply has no clue of what to do when under pressure. Go back and watch what Manning did when he was under pressure. He stepped up in the pocket and made something happen. Boller has no pocket awareness. It's either drop back and throw, or tuck and run the second protection begins to break down. He just doesn't have what it takes. It's time to take a chance on another young QB who has the intangibles that Boller doesn't have.



Yes it looks bad when your qb has to worry about the pressure of third stringers; but the real point is that Smith handled the pressure pretty well and manufactured plays behind the same atrocious line play that Boller couldn't muster anything out of.
Smith seems like a player, Boller is more of a robot.

Exactly! It's what the QB does when under pressure. Some simply melt(Boller) while others move around and make something happen. One thing that I noticed tonight was the way that Smith was looking down the field when he was scrambling. I can count the number of times I have seen Boller do that on one hand. It's pretty sad when a rookie can handle that type of stuff but your 5th year QB can't.

[xmradiodave]

I'm all for it at this point. We need to see what this guy has.

Here's the problem, Billick hasn't been able to design an offense to work with any QB in the last 9 years. He is just going to send Troy Smith out there with the same old plays.

Let's not be so quick to rest the woes all on Billick. You know I like you stinger, but I am going to have to place this loss almost entirely on Boller and on the offense AND the decimated D. This game fell apart on so many levels it was almost comical. I started playing the Benny Hill music at one point.

Do not get this wrong, Billick is an ass who needs to find work somewhere else, but the whole team looked like shit. At least they sucessfully did THAT as a team effort.

[Dade]

Honestly, you might as well. We play Miami next week, there will not be a better opponent to cut his teeth on.

True. Perfect team to get his start against. But he won't.

[StingerNLG]

It's simple, we would hopefully be plugging in a QB who knows what the hell he is doing! I get so tired of the offensive line excuse. Every NFL QB has their protection break down. It's what they do when that happens that makes them a legit NFL QB. Kyle Boller simply has no clue of what to do when under pressure. Go back and watch what Manning did when he was under pressure. He stepped up in the pocket and made something happen. Boller has no pocket awareness. It's either drop back and throw, or tuck and run the second protection begins to break down. He just doesn't have what it takes. It's time to take a chance on another young QB who has the intangibles that Boller doesn't have.

Ok fine, but don't give me the Peyton Manning shit. How many times was he remotely hurried last night?? NONE! How many times was Peyton Manning sacked yesterday? NONE!

DON"T EVEN ATTEMPT to confuse Boller's shitty play yesterday with anything we tried and failed to do on defense to Peyton Manning. Please don't.

What happens when you hurry or pressure Peyton Manning? He throws 6 interceptions and gets rattled. That is a FACT.




Let's not be so quick to rest the woes all on Billick. You know I like you stinger, but I am going to have to place this loss almost entirely on Boller and on the offense AND the decimated D. This game fell apart on so many levels it was almost comical. I started playing the Benny Hill music at one point.

Do not get this wrong, Billick is an ass who needs to find work somewhere else, but the whole team looked like shit. At least they sucessfully did THAT as a team effort.

And who got the team the least bit motivated to play the stellar game they did on both sides of the ball? Who kept calling the same bullshit up-the-middle runs last night as if we still have Jamal Lewis? Who waited until the game was almost over to replace Boller with Smith?

Don't give Billick a pass for last night either.

[xmradiodave]

Ok fine, but don't give me the Peyton Manning shit. How many times was he remotely hurried last night?? NONE! How many times was Peyton Manning sacked yesterday? NONE!

DON"T EVEN ATTEMPT to confuse Boller's shitty play yesterday with anything we tried and failed to do on defense to Peyton Manning. Please don't.

What happens when you hurry or pressure Peyton Manning? He throws 6 interceptions and gets rattled. That is a FACT.





And who got the team the least bit motivated to play the stellar game they did on both sides of the ball? Who kept calling the same bullshit up-the-middle runs last night as if we still have Jamal Lewis? Who waited until the game was almost over to replace Boller with Smith?

Don't give Billick a pass for last night either.


Absolutely not sir. I would not give Billick a pass on this teams disgusting season. The Ravens team as a whole should be ashamed of themselves. INCLUDING Brian Billick.

[FHRaven]

It won't happen, but clearly Smith should start for the rest of the season.

This team has so many holes it looks like Swiss cheese. They might as well play Smith and see how he does in a few games of live action. At worst, he stinks. At best, he might show enough where you consider having him compete for the starting job next year. Hopefully in a non-Billick offense. :bag:

[crazyraven]

I cant believe it took this long for you guys to wake the F up.

When do we cut this turkey! and please spare us with we got to keep him because he *knows* the system, he cleary doesn't

[RavenLisa]

Buy a ticket for Boller and Billck to get out of town. Boller is scared to death out there

[FHRaven]

I cant believe it took this long for you guys to wake the F up.

When do we cut this turkey! and please spare us with we got to keep him because he *knows* the system, he cleary doesn't

Speaking of waking up, is it okay to be concerned about this year's team now, crazy?

[xmradiodave]

I cant believe it took this long for you guys to wake the F up.

When do we cut this turkey! and please spare us with we got to keep him because he *knows* the system, he cleary doesn't

I concede. The Boller we saw on Monday is clearly NOT the Boller we will see every week. I wanted the guy to turn the corner.

I guess we can invite the artist formally known as Tex back to the forums now. :laugh:

[ravenwoman]

The Ravens need to go into evaluation mode with everyone except Kyle Boller, because he has been the same for 5 years--a backup, but not a full time starter.

The Ravens probably will draft a top QB in the off season because every successful NFL team that wins playoffs and Super Bowls has one.

McNair should not be back under any circumstance because there is no upside in using him or keeping him. Band-aid personnel is not the way to go.

With all said, we will see how much Billick will do alternating personnel in the next 3 games. If they feel they must go out with at least 1 win in the next few games, we may not see Troy Smith, which would be a shame because we might lose him the same way we lost Derek Anderson.

[xmradiodave]

At this point try anything. Let fans come in and try to make some plays. ANYTHING!

[purple bird]

Originally Posted by TTRaven
It's simple, we would hopefully be plugging in a QB who knows what the hell he is doing! I get so tired of the offensive line excuse. Every NFL QB has their protection break down. It's what they do when that happens that makes them a legit NFL QB. Kyle Boller simply has no clue of what to do when under pressure. Go back and watch what Manning did when he was under pressure. He stepped up in the pocket and made something happen. Boller has no pocket awareness. It's either drop back and throw, or tuck and run the second protection begins to break down. He just doesn't have what it takes. It's time to take a chance on another young QB who has the intangibles that Boller doesn't have.

Ok fine, but don't give me the Peyton Manning shit. How many times was he remotely hurried last night?? NONE! How many times was Peyton Manning sacked yesterday? NONE!

DON"T EVEN ATTEMPT to confuse Boller's shitty play yesterday with anything we tried and failed to do on defense to Peyton Manning. Please don't.

What happens when you hurry or pressure Peyton Manning? He throws 6 interceptions and gets rattled. That is a FACT.




- OK I won't give you any of that "Peyton Manning" shit; I will give you some of that Troy Smith shit instead. Behind that same line that Boller played behind, feeling the same pressure from a 3rd string defense that Boller played against until he was yanked, Troy Smith, who hasn't played a down in a live NFL game until last night, was able to make a play, or actually several plays, under pressure that Boller could not.

Boller has all the "stat sheet" characteristics of a qb - tall, strong arm, perfect qb build.

Smith does not have the "stat sheet" characteristics.

Smith has the know-how and competitive mindset.

Boller has the knowledge that he shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was and is still resting on his "stat sheet" laurels that his agent was able to use to swindle Billick into falling in love with him at the combine.

At this point, Smith wins the job for the rest of the season.


Why can't we blame a single wrong on Boller in some of you guy's minds? He has done NOTHING thus far in his career. No playoffs, no meaningful victories. NOTHING - except waste the productive careers of Ray Lewis and Jonathon Ogden (and Jamal Lewis to a degree; 2000 yards as a human battering ram is inhuman).

I still support McNair, even as a backup; if we have learned anything from the Boller fiasco, we need to groom a young gun behind a vet. Restructure McNair's contract and ensure he is healthy and bring him back. He did much better in the 20+ games for the Ravens than Boller has his whole career.

[Hook]

Why can't we blame a single wrong on Boller in some of you guy's minds? He has done NOTHING thus far in his career. No playoffs, no meaningful victories. NOTHING - except waste the productive careers of Ray Lewis and Jonathon Ogden (and Jamal Lewis to a degree; 2000 yards as a human battering ram is inhuman).

Nice post. Its a shame that Ogden didnt get another super bowl. The only bright side is that they did have one good year.

[StingerNLG]

OK I won't give you any of that "Peyton Manning" shit; I will give you some of that Troy Smith shit instead. Behind that same line that Boller played behind, feeling the same pressure from a 3rd string defense that Boller played against until he was yanked, Troy Smith, who hasn't played a down in a live NFL game until last night, was able to make a play, or actually several plays, under pressure that Boller could not.

I'll remember you said that if Troy Smith starts next week and loses to Miami.

Listen to me very fucking carefully, because you didn't the first time. I AM NOT AGAINST STARTING TROY SMITH.

Let me repeat that, so that it sinks in for you.

I AM NOT AGAINST STARTING TROY SMITH.

Did you get it that time?


Now, that said, Smith has to come in and run the exact same "Run up the middle, Run up the middle, Short pass" offense that Billick can't seem to get away from. And so after some short success, the defense will figure out how to stop us, and we'll keep going nowhere fast.

BILLICK HAS TO GIVE UP THE OFFENSE OR THIS WILL ONCE AGAIN BE FOR NOTHING.

BILLICK HAS TO GIVE UP THE OFFENSE.

One last time, just for effect:

BILLICK HAS TO GIVE UP THE OFFENSE.

[xmradiodave]

I'll remember you said that if Troy Smith starts next week and loses to Miami.

Listen to me very fucking carefully, because you didn't the first time. I AM NOT AGAINST STARTING TROY SMITH.

Let me repeat that, so that it sinks in for you.

I AM NOT AGAINST STARTING TROY SMITH.

Did you get it that time?


Now, that said, Smith has to come in and run the exact same "Run up the middle, Run up the middle, Short pass" offense that Billick can't seem to get away from. And so after some short success, the defense will figure out how to stop us, and we'll keep going nowhere fast.

BILLICK HAS TO GIVE UP THE OFFENSE OR THIS WILL ONCE AGAIN BE FOR NOTHING.

BILLICK HAS TO GIVE UP THE OFFENSE.

One last time, just for effect:

BILLICK HAS TO GIVE UP THE OFFENSE.

I am confused. What is it you are trying to say? :rolling:

[RavenLisa]

Yes play Smith the rest of the year. We all know now Boller isn't worth anything can't believe they signed him for another year.

I don't care if we lose three (3) games with Troy Smith but as a season ticket holder who feel that I totally wasted my money this year I want to see Smith play. Hey we already are laughed at all over the NFL.


Can't wait to hear Billick's press conference today. Hey if you take the tape of the past three it will most likely be the same shit from Billick.

Play Troy Smith and start the rebuilding.

[RustonRifle]

Boller is garbage.... He may be a nice guy, teammate , whatever but as a NFL player he stinks....END OF STORY.

He may mix in a quality start once a season but the rest of his starts are mediocre to dreadful.


This team should be starting the next canidate for the position , whomever that may be.

[crazyraven]

LOL nice melt by stinger. :laugh:


I concede. The Boller we saw on Monday is clearly NOT the Boller we will see every week. I wanted the guy to turn the corner

We all wanted boller to do well. He just doesnt have it, its thats simple. it wont happen here or anywhere else. Hes had more than enough chances to prove himself and he has failed every single time.

[xmradiodave]

I did not want to have to do this, but I think I have to retire my signature.

[RavenTD]

It won't happen, but clearly Smith should start for the rest of the season.

Yeap Billick said Troy will only start if Boller is injured.If we don't know what we have with Kyle now.Then we will never know.Let Troy get the feel of the NFL game,and the speed of NFL defensive starters.

What better time than to start cutting your teeth on a winless team like Miami?

[4G63]

Billick is stuck in a Boller rut....he won't start or give significant playing time to Smith unless he's told to or Boller gets hurt....

[ravenjoe]

We all wanted boller to do well. He just doesnt have it, its thats simple. it wont happen here or anywhere else. Hes had more than enough chances to prove himself and he has failed every single time.
I agree! This team needs to find a consistent leader. I really believe that the Ravens need to get Smith some more playing time to see what he can (or can not) do. If need be, they can draft a QB; however, if Troy looks promising, they can draft another position. Smith looks to be a leader out there; strong arm; athleticism; but raw; so let's see what he can do. I liked what I saw last night.

[festivus]

What the hell. Check out my new sig.

[Sports Steve]

Billick just said at his press conference he is staying with Boller.

[GreenWave52]

Billick just said at his press conference he is staying with Boller.

FUCK. Fuck fuck fuck.

You think Billick would of learned after sticking with Kyle too long almost cost him job once before.

Fuck.





Start TROY!!!!

[4G63]

FUCK. Fuck fuck fuck.

You think Billick would of learned after sticking with Kyle too long almost cost him job once before.

Fuck.





Start TROY!!!!

Tell us how you really feel......:34853_lolpoint:

[RavenTD]

Billick just said at his press conference he is staying with Boller.

Now there is a :187734: surprise. You know why.Cause Billick doesn't want the losing to Miami tag around his neck.Its all about him,and not looking what could be in the Ravens future. I say :141847_bdmoon: Billick.

[TTRaven]

Hey at least we'll all be able to laugh a little bit Sunday. How in the world can Billick even think about staying with Boller? Five years of the same crap is enough.

[RavenTD]

Hey at least we'll all be able to laugh a little bit Sunday. How in the world can Billick even think about staying with Boller? Five years of the same crap is enough.

Cause he can throw a ball through the uprights from the 50,while down on his knee's.I wonder if Billick and Al Davis have the same DNA.:grbac:

[AZRAVEN]

Hey at least we'll all be able to laugh a little bit Sunday. How in the world can Billick even think about staying with Boller? Five years of the same crap is enough.

Maybe you'll be able to laugh Sunday but I can tell you right now I won't be laughing if we lose to Miami! I keep thinking Billick will get enough rope to hang himself but I'm becoming convinced there isn't that much rope in the world.

[StingerNLG]

I've stopped really caring about the time I left the stadium, but understand that we aren't done with the pain of the season yet.

But I just want to make sure I understand. Everyone here is ok with the Ravens possibly being the 1 in Miami's 1-13 as long as we get to see Troy Smith?

I'm pretty sure even the Dolphins can figure out our awesome "run, run, short pass" prolific attack that Billick puts out there every week.

Clearly once again, I am not against playing Troy Smith at this point. I really haven't figured out if I care anymore this year about anything Ravens. And not that I have anything against Smith, but I have zero faith in Brian Billick, so my expectations are about the same.

[RavenTD]

There isn't alot of fun,or hope to be a Raven fan at the moment.
But as a fan,I am finding a little bit of excitement any place I can.
And that right now is getting behind the movement of getting to see
#10 play.

If the way we lost to the Colts did not freak you out about the possibility of losing to the Dolphins.Then what difference would a rookie make to the team failing.But if there is a spark with this kid.Then how will we know with him riding the pine?

What a great entry point for a youngster against the worst team in the league.

[TTRaven]

But I just want to make sure I understand. Everyone here is ok with the Ravens possibly being the 1 in Miami's 1-13 as long as we get to see Troy Smith?

We can all joke about it, but I don't think anyone would be ok if the Ravens were the 1 win for the Dolphins. Personally if I had to pick I would rather see what Smith has even if it's in a loss. That would be a lot easier to see instead of Kyle being our QB and losing to the Dolphins. Boller has been horrible on the road his past 10 games.

[OriAl]

I gess Boller is responsible for our defense being unable to stop anyone? He had a lousy game, but he wasn't one of the guys responsible for covering receivers, or pressuring Peyton. He isn't the guy who included on the roster backup corners who defend like statues.

Without quality corners, we had zero chance to win that game, or stay close, regardless of who was behind center. Peyton could have thrown to wide open receivers all night long.

[RavenTD]

The best example of the madness of Boller was on the 2 pointer.Musa wide open in the flat.And would have been able to eat a crabcake and walk into the endzone untouched.

And Boller just stares ahead and throws an INT. Boller is a screwed Tedford product knowing only how to read half the field.

[ravens138]

Why can't we start Smith the final three games. First the season is shot and I really don't think Boller is the answer. He looked like the old Boller last nught. I want to see what Smith has. If he doesn't start we will no idea when he plays against 3rd string players like last night.

It's a win/win position

[purple bird]

From ORIal- "I gess Boller is responsible for our defense being unable to stop anyone? He had a lousy game, but he wasn't one of the guys responsible for covering receivers, or pressuring Peyton. He isn't the guy who included on the roster backup corners who defend like statues.

Without quality corners, we had zero chance to win that game, or stay close, regardless of who was behind center. Peyton could have thrown to wide open receivers all night long."


Al - Boller throwing three picks doesn't necessarily help the defense either.

We expect our sixth round db's going up against a premier qb like Manning to be a hinderance to our winning. What most wouldn't expect is our 1st round draft choice qb to be just as much a hinderance.

[xmradiodave]

It's a win/win position

Unless we lose. :laugh:

[ravenjoe]

And Boller just stares ahead and throws an INT. Boller is a screwed Tedford product knowing only how to read half the field.
Exactly! He only surveys half the field. I'm hard-pressed to ever see him scan the entire field looking for the OPEN receiver. That, along with his 'happy feet', make me believe he will never change as a QB! Troy Smith just appears more comfortable in the pocket, and seems to easily avoid the pressure and make plays. Let's see more of him in order to fairly gauge his potential going into next year.

[xmradiodave]

I gess Boller is responsible for our defense being unable to stop anyone? He had a lousy game, but he wasn't one of the guys responsible for covering receivers, or pressuring Peyton. He isn't the guy who included on the roster backup corners who defend like statues.

Without quality corners, we had zero chance to win that game, or stay close, regardless of who was behind center. Peyton could have thrown to wide open receivers all night long.

That is kind of a ridiculous insinuation. Of course our D was less than stellar. I for one was disappointed with their calibur of play as well. But with their 1 and 2 corners out of the game, the deep threat was almost a constant. Boller hurt us by giving them the ball back on several occasions. But you are right. The defense was lacking as well.

The D did a damn decent job of stuffing the running game. I will give them that.

[xmradiodave]

I've stopped really caring about the time I left the stadium, but understand that we aren't done with the pain of the season yet.

But I just want to make sure I understand. Everyone here is ok with the Ravens possibly being the 1 in Miami's 1-13 as long as we get to see Troy Smith?

I'm pretty sure even the Dolphins can figure out our awesome "run, run, short pass" prolific attack that Billick puts out there every week.

Clearly once again, I am not against playing Troy Smith at this point. I really haven't figured out if I care anymore this year about anything Ravens. And not that I have anything against Smith, but I have zero faith in Brian Billick, so my expectations are about the same.


You know what is funny about the game against the Colts? Up until that game, stinger and I were really pulling for Boller. I do not hate the guy and will not resort to calling the guy a loser as I know Stinger will not either, but what a difference 6 days makes. I defended Boller and wanted Sunday to be a great followup to the Pats game. That game against the colts broke my fucking back.

Do not take my wishes to start Smith as me claiming that i hate Boller, but I am not stupid. something needs to happen and happen soon. Hence my wishes to see troy Smith get some field time against a starting defensive line.