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AZRAVEN

11-05-2006, 04:17 PM

HDDream

11-05-2006, 04:24 PM

Prude definitely did commit PI on that last play, but that's only one of a number big plays that always factor into deciding the outcome of a game. One play does not win or lose a game.

BTW, speaking of that last play, I've heard (although I haven't watched the replay to confirm it) that there was a pretty blantant hold by Bengals linemen on Bart Scott that wasn't called by the officials.

AZRAVEN

11-05-2006, 04:27 PM

That's true, however, when it occurs that late in the game it's human nature to think it had a greater effect on the ultimate outcome of the game. Bad calls earlier in a game you always figure you can overcome at some point.

skimmy

11-05-2006, 04:35 PM

52decleetzu

11-05-2006, 04:37 PM

Didnt see that hold,Ill have to watch the game again to see.That PI on Reed was BS,they have NOTHING to complain about end of story.

Tspot-D-Ravenator

11-05-2006, 05:44 PM

I think it was probably PI on Prude, but look at that PI play again, the refs missed a blatant hold on one of our rushers so if had been called then I would have flipped out that the flag wasn't holding on the offense. If the Bengals are going to live or die by PI calls then they're going to have a tough season.

If it wasn't for all the non-holding calls on the Bengals O-line, Trevor price would have had a career record sack total!!! I can't count how many times I saw our defensive line being held BLATANTLY:thumbdown: Bengal fan needs to shut their pie holes...We owned them today:thumbup:

camdenyard

11-05-2006, 05:45 PM

That made up for the refs not calling Henry for running out of bounds BEFORE he caught the 71 yard pass, or for them not calling him for OB after he caught it.

They can cry in their damn 4-4 beer, whiny bastards.

The Fanatic

11-05-2006, 05:57 PM

If it wasn't for all the non-holding calls on the Bengals O-line, Trevor price would have had a career record sack total!!! I can't count how many times I saw our defensive line being held BLATANTLY:thumbdown: Bengal fan needs to shut their pie holes...We owned them today:thumbup:

That's a fact!!

It got so bad that on one of the last long pass plays the guy had a strangle hold on Pryce, and it wasn't called.
I about blew my freakin' top on that one!!

MrPoeJangles

11-05-2006, 06:03 PM

"the refs missed a blatant hold on one of our rushers so if had been called then I would have flipped out that the flag wasn't holding on the offense."

I was about to write the same thing. I don't normally watch the line play that closely but there was blatent holding on that play. I was assuming they must have thrown a flag and I didn't see it.

RavenDavey

11-05-2006, 08:27 PM

That last call was shitty, it was definitely a penalty on Prude. Who knows they might have been able to pull out a score, they seemed to be moving on us pretty well in the second half. Oh well, that's how it goes and they'll get us in their crib so they can get another shot.

Yes in Slo-Mo. But at game speed at the end of the game, the impact to ball arrival may be milliseconds. It went in our favor this time.

Greg

11-05-2006, 09:50 PM

It was Bart Scott and the holder was 63, he mauled him. I saw the replay on the NFL channel and while they focused on the PI I watched the line. And as noted, that was the last of several non-holds called.

OwingsMillsAlex

11-06-2006, 08:00 AM

Refs missed a lot of holds on our D-line and special teams. Ed Reed was held twice on punts that would have been blocked.

PeterB58

11-06-2006, 08:03 AM

That made up for the refs not calling Henry for running out of bounds BEFORE he caught the 71 yard pass, or for them not calling him for OB after he caught it.I am glad you posted this. From my vantage point in the endzone, it definitely looked like Henry ran OB about 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. But I did not see a replay. As such, he cannot be the first player to touch the ball.

As to be OB on the catch, I thought the replay at best was inconclusive and as such should not have justifed an overturn of the ruling on the field.

RavenScallywag

11-06-2006, 08:54 AM

Hahaha, I have some Redskin fans at work trying to gloat that we "stole" a win, and snuck out of losing.

Washington won by 3 points and inches to the right! We won by playing a damn good game...the WHOLE game.

larrylater

11-06-2006, 09:05 AM

Hahaha, I have some Redskin fans at work trying to gloat

Yeah, I had to stop reading right there. Little Danny is damn lucky that Leon was thinking about his celebration and dropped the TD pass. :laugh:

knots

11-06-2006, 10:23 AM

Was that PI on Prude-- maybe. From where I was sitting, it looked that way.
Reed's was bogus....as for Henry being OB-- way too close to call....The game was called evenly for both sides...that's the best you can ask for (right Mike Carey?).....

As for the holding penalties-- there wasn't a single holding penalty called the entire game. Apparently the ref's decided to let them play on both sides. Scott was held, so was Price..however, the Ravens did their fair share of holding as well...it was that kind of game.

sopranocorleone

11-06-2006, 10:35 AM

BTW, speaking of that last play, I've heard (although I haven't watched the replay to confirm it) that there was a pretty blantant hold by Bengals linemen on Bart Scott that wasn't called by the officials.

This is very true. Scott was pretty much twisted the other way and would have either gotten to Palmer or disrupted his pass had he not been held.

I also find it interesting that the Sun writers mentioned how many of McNair's potential INTs were dropped by the Bengals defenders, but they didn't mention how McAlister dropped one of Palmer's errant passes, and how a couple of other ones could have easily been intercepted as well.

The bottom line is the Ravens outplayed the Bengals. They outgained them by nearly 100 yards. They controlled the clock. They were the more physical team. If the Ravens had been more efficient in the red zone, the Bengals would have been KOed by the start of the fourth quarter.

-- Dev Panchwagh

Mista T

11-06-2006, 10:37 AM

Not overturning Henry's catch was incredible. He was certainly out-of-bounds when running down the sidelines, before positioning himself before the catch. I wonder if the NFL had a camera down the sideline, or if perhaps Billick did not specify in his challenge that Henry had stepped out of bounds and re-entered. i.e. if Billick's challenge was that Henry caught the ball out of bounds. If not part of the challenge, the refs cannot take it into account.

I have some Redskin fans at work trying to gloat that we "stole" a win, and snuck out of losing.

It must really be sad to be a Redskins fan. Three seasons into the Joey Gibbs miraculous return to glory, and they are staring up at the butts of three mediocre NFC East teams with nothing to be optimistic about. Except for maybe a 4th season of the Joey Gibbs renaissance!:laugh:

RavenDavey

11-06-2006, 10:38 AM

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The bottom line is the Ravens outplayed the Bengals. They outgained them by nearly 100 yards. They controlled the clock. They were the more physical team. If the Ravens had been more efficient in the red zone, the Bengals would have been KOed by the start of the fourth quarter.

-- Dev Panchwagh

Nice first post and welcome!!

As stated above, we outgained them by nearly 100yds, and their offense included their longest play of the season at 71 yds, which is questionable since he should not have been able to touch the ball first after coming back in bounds.

Mista T

11-06-2006, 10:42 AM

The bottom line is the Ravens outplayed the Bengals. They outgained them by nearly 100 yards. They controlled the clock. They were the more physical team. If the Ravens had been more efficient in the red zone, the Bengals would have been KOed by the start of the fourth quarter.

-- Dev Panchwagh

Welcome back Don Corleone, errr .... Dev!:thumbup: It's been a few years, I believe.

Hopefully, you'll decide to stick around - this board is better than any of the previous versions.

:T2:

Rochardrik

11-06-2006, 10:53 AM

That last call was shitty, it was definitely a penalty on Prude. Who knows they might have been able to pull out a score, they seemed to be moving on us pretty well in the second half. Oh well, that's how it goes and they'll get us in their crib so they can get another shot.

BULLSHORTS!!!! when I got home from the game, I watched 2 other games, the same non call was not made at least a dozen times!!!! It WAS NOT A PENALTY!!! Did you watch the replay? you are allowed to hit a receiver at the SAME time as the ball arrives!:insane:

AZRAVEN

11-06-2006, 11:29 AM

Yes, I did watch the replay ~ why is that always the first question asked when not agreeing with someone's take? Bad officiating occurs in every game it doesn't make it right. As I understand the rule you cannot be draped on the receiver prior to the ball's arrival and Prude was draped on the receiver like a cheap suit. BTW, just because you don't agree doesn't necessarily make me crazy, okay...

CanadianRaven

11-06-2006, 12:00 PM

I am glad you posted this. From my vantage point in the endzone, it definitely looked like Henry ran OB about 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. But I did not see a replay. As such, he cannot be the first player to touch the ball.

As to be OB on the catch, I thought the replay at best was inconclusive and as such should not have justifed an overturn of the ruling on the field.

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Why is it not ok for henry to run out of bounds before comming back in and catch the ball but it is ok for CMac to run out of bounds, catch up to him and be the first one to tackle him? I'm just curious.

darb72

11-06-2006, 06:20 PM

Rules of football.

No player can run out of bounds and be the first to touch a live ball.

Think of the crazy routes you can run if you didn't have that rule.

Now if a defender runs out of bounds and a receiver catches it, the ball is back in play.

UKRaven

11-07-2006, 02:11 AM

On the TV it showed Henry 'nearly' touching the sideline with the ball in hand. The side judge was looking all the way, and the TV conclusion was that it was not out-of-bounds. It did not show any action prior to the catch - if that is to what you are speaking.

The Prude PI looked like perfect timing at full speed.

The Begals 'looked like' a good time team - before kick-off :rolling:

They sounded like the Bungles after it! :bag:

Mista T

11-07-2006, 08:24 AM

On the TV it showed Henry 'nearly' touching the sideline with the ball in hand. The side judge was looking all the way, and the TV conclusion was that it was not out-of-bounds. It did not show any action prior to the catch

Agree. I came hope after the game and immediately watched the game "tape" (is that what it's called on DVR?). It did not show what I saw at the stadium: Henry started down the sideline with a couple steps that looked out of bounds. The replay on CBS only picked up Henry as he was far down the field.:mad: