Billick's Replacement

[HoustonRaven]

Ok, I will go ahead and get it started ....

I have to think Rex is on the short list. Rex was one of the first coaches hired under the Bisciotti era. Off the top of my head, I cant think of anyone else.

Im not saying weather or not Rex will be good, just would like to get everyones thoughts on WHO we will get.

[Purpleguy]

It will be Rex and we will suck. If people think Marvin Lewis rode the coattails of a great defense then they haven't seen anything yet. Rex will be walked all over by these players.

This is a sad day for baltimore sports.

[underwriter]

I called this 3 weeks ago.....Rex will be the new head coach.....

UW:laugh:

[Ravens23]

Anybody will be better than Billick to jumpstart this offense...

[ravenjoe]

It fits. Rex will be the HC and D-coordinator, and a new O-coordinator will come in as an asst coach. I don't necessarily agree with this; but it makes sense. I still would like to see Cowher named!

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Ok, I will go ahead and get it started ....

I have to think Rex is on the short list. Rex was one of the first coaches hired under the Bisciotti era. Off the top of my head, I cant think of anyone else.

Im not saying weather or not Rex will be good, just would like to get everyones thoughts on WHO we will get.

SAVE IT HOUSTON :brickwall:

[Fanman]

I doubt it will be RR. I see it being a HC w/ a proven track record like Cowher or Schottenheimer.

Either way we get a new HC and OC....it's about time.

FM

[HoustonRaven]

While I would like to see a Cowher-like coach, I cant see Bisciotti paying out Billick's contract AND going after a high dollar coach.

For good or bad, my money is on Rex Ryan at this point.

[RavenTD]

As long as it isn't Bobby Petrino.:rolling:

Now we are out at sea with no head coach,it is kind of a weird feeling.

I have this strange feeling Marty ball may becoming our way.:34853_waah:

[UKRavenStockers]

I'm uneasy about Rex as a head coach, Cowher isn't gonna come out of the booth IMO and I've no interest in Marty Ball, it's exactly the same as Billick Ball it just doesn't work in the playoffs, ever.

Not really looked into available candidates too much but if we're going for a fresh new mind I'd like us to go after Jason Garrett or Jim Scwartz.

[Ravenswarrior19]

rumor from Nestor is that it will be a "future hall of fame" coach.
check his blog at wnst.net

[ravenwoman]

I am sure the organization knows who the next coach will be or they wouldn't have fired Billick so quickly after last night's game. One thing is for sure-- and that is if you get a vote of confidence from your owner--look out. It may be the kiss of death.

Personally, I am happy about the move. I think Billick is a real decent man, but he was in the wrong job. I wish him luck and happiness. He has made his money, so I know he is financially secure.

I hope the next coach is Bill Cowher or Rex Ryan.l

[UKRavenStockers]

Considering the Rooney Rule, who do you guys think will get a look in as our minority candidate? I think it's a horrible rule btw, if guys are worthy they'll get a look, I realise it gives minority coaches more of a chance but how often are they just going to be token interviews because the team already knows who they want?

I'm wondering whether we might have Donnie Henderson or Mike Singletary in for interviews to fulfil our obligation with the Rooney Rule.

[Admin Steve]

Drew was throwing Mularky's name into the mix just now on NST

[RavenScallywag]

We should bring in Singletary, that would actually be a guy I'd consider as HC...

Also, how about Denny Green? Would be good for a laugh...

[RavenTD]

Also, how about Denny Green? Would be good for a laugh...

"They were who we thought they were." :069:

[UKRavenStockers]

For those saying Schottenheimer or Cowher, do you think those guys will come to Baltimore? Personally I think those two will want total control and unless the position of Athletic Director at the University of Alabama is open, Ozzie isn't going anywhere.

I can't see either Marty or Cowher coming to Baltimore.

[Purpleguy]

I think the players need to be polled on who the next coach should be. Maybe Ray should have dinner and take in a Terps game with all potential canidates.

They all seem to get along with Anita Marks. Maybe we could hire the first female coach.

[RavenTD]

Stockers here's the link to WBAL to hear whats going down.

http://www.wbal.com/listen/player.asp

[UKRavenStockers]

Stockers here's the link to WBAL to hear whats going down.

http://www.wbal.com/listen/player.asp

Cheers Paul :thumbup:

[Mista T]

Considering the Rooney Rule, who do you guys think will get a look in as our minority candidate? I think it's a horrible rule btw, if guys are worthy they'll get a look, I realise it gives minority coaches more of a chance but how often are they just going to be token interviews because the team already knows who they want?

I'm wondering whether we might have Donnie Henderson or Mike Singletary in for interviews to fulfil our obligation with the Rooney Rule.

I would expect it to be Cowher, and just pay the fine on the Rooney rule.

Bisciotti wants to win, Cowher is a winner who understands the value of a Defense and running game. If Bisciotti can eat $5 million/season, he'll pay the price for Cowher.

[Fanman]

Biscotti only has to make up the diff btn the 5 mill and Billick's new paycheck. Only if BB is unemployed does SB have to pay him the entire 5 mill per year.

FM

[Greg]

Anybody will be better than Billick to jumpstart this offense...
Really, do you think Shottenheimer would be better? Are you the same people bitching about no playoff wins? LOL.


Only if BB is unemployed does SB have to pay him the entire 5 mill per year.
You mean, not employed as a HC. If Billick gets a job as an analyst Bisciotti is still on the hook for the whole $5 million.

[Sephy]

Mularkey as a head coach would be an absolute DISASTER.

[Purpleguy]

I would expect it to be Cowher, and just pay the fine on the Rooney rule.

Bisciotti wants to win, Cowher is a winner who understands the value of a Defense and running game. If Bisciotti can eat $5 million/season, he'll pay the price for Cowher.


We should be exempt from the Rooney rule considering we have a black man in the highest position in the league and keep him there even though he can't figure out the cap and can only evaluate linebackers.

[RavenTD]

Mularkey as a head coach would be an absolute DISASTER.

Lets not even think it. Here we go Steve B about to talk.

[HoustonRaven]

Why does Bisciotti keep talking about himself?

[UKRavenStockers]

I would expect it to be Cowher, and just pay the fine on the Rooney rule.

Bisciotti wants to win, Cowher is a winner who understands the value of a Defense and running game. If Bisciotti can eat $5 million/season, he'll pay the price for Cowher.

Do you not think that with Mike Singletary and Donnie Henderson as former members of our coaching staff we'll not give one of them interviews?


On the note of Donnie Henderson, if we pass over Rex as HC (as I expect us to) and he decides to leave (passed over for the HC job in San Diego last year and if passed over this year that could kill his stock as a potential HC), anyone else interested in bringing Donnie Henderson back to run our defence? I don't think our secondary has ever played as well or as disciplined as they did under his guidance in 2003. He did a decent job in New York his one year as DC but was a casualty of Herm Edwards' departure and then was a victim in Detroit of being forced to run a cover 2 defence that he had no experience of running. I'm not sure where he's coaching at the moment but I'd love to see Donnie Henderson brought back in to our coaching staff.

[RavenTD]

This all sounds strange.

[Fanman]

Too bad we can't get Jack Del Rio here....he has done a lot w/ a little in Jax.

FM

[TheExtraPoint]

Can't say I'm surprised, as my thread "End of one era, Start of another" explained a few weeks ago. I think it was time, sadly.

As for his replacements, I think the Ravens list of priorities looks something like this:

Bill Cowher
Josh McDaniels
Rex Ryan
Jason Garrett
Jim Schwartz

If I had my choice, I'd go with Cowher or McDaniels. I think they will. Rex is a good defensive coordinator, but I think that's his ceiling.

[Bez513]

If it isn't Rex he will leave for another HC job eventually. Jason Garrett is an interesting choice....I'm not sure he's HC material just yet but I think eventually he will be.

[4G63]

I just hope that if Rex isn't named the coach that he isn't fired by the next HC because he's not his man......The Defense doesn't need changing as far as I'm concerned.....

[highwater]

Why does Bisciotti keep talking about himself?

I wondered about that too -- at one point, he was asked a question about how he came to this decision to fire Billick, and his response was, "I was 23 years old when I started my business." What the hell did that have to do with anything?

He just seemed very uncomfortable talking to the media about this. I think that's why some of his comments seemed off the wall.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

I say give Donnie Henderson a shot...He has got fire in his every being...That'll fix the whiney players;)

[purplepoe]

Drew was throwing Mularky's name into the mix just now on NST

What Drew said was that at 1pm yesterday he was told that the team was interested in Mularkey as an OC, not HC.

That's why he and everyone was so shocked that 22 hours later Billick was gone.

PP

[WxKevin]

I think it will be somebody with a Offensive background which throws out names like Rex, Singletary and Donnie Henderson. Personally I don't think we should we choose anybody who has been a coach on defense for the Ravens in the last 6 or 7 years.

I have always liked Jim Schwartz but he is also Defensive minded. I also don't want me "homerism" to cloud my judgement since he is a local guy.

Jason Garrett would be interesting but risky given his limited time as an OC. Maybe that's what we need?

[RavenTD]

I don't think JJ will let Jason Garrett leave the Cowboys I think he is being groomed for the HC job there.And Wade is a stop gap till Garrett is ready to go.

Now the nervousness and pacing about starts for us Raven fans.

[Bez513]

Who knows....the Steelers hired a 34-yr old no name and they made the playoffs. Age, experience, etc can be anything these days. I guess it's the people the new HC surrounds them with is what really matters.

[Greg]

I don't think JJ will let Jason Garrett leave . . .
JJ can't stop him for a promotion. JJ and Bisciotti are friends, though, so he might not step on his toes.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Who knows....the Steelers hired a 34-yr old no name and they made the playoffs. Age, experience, etc can be anything these days. I guess it's the people the new HC surrounds them with is what really matters.

and Brian kept losing his coordinators to other teams...I guess that had to add to his demise:(

[Purpleguy]

Who knows....the Steelers hired a 34-yr old no name and they made the playoffs. Age, experience, etc can be anything these days. I guess it's the people the new HC surrounds them with is what really matters.

Players make a pretty big difference as well. It helps to have balance on offense and defense. The Steelers not making the playoffs last season was an anomaly. Their franchise QB went through a windshield right before the season.

The Steelers always have a tough D and on Offense they have a good RB, quality QB and a true #1 WR in Ward with a #2 in Holmes that is better than anyone we have ever had.

[psuasskicker]

I don't think JJ will let Jason Garrett leave the Cowboys I think he is being groomed for the HC job there.And Wade is a stop gap till Garrett is ready to go.

JJ doesn't have a choice in the matter. If someone is getting interviewed for a promotion position, they don't have the ability to block it.

Schottenheimer would be a disaster. He's fantastic at taking a team with no talent and turning them into a winner. What he's not great at doing is getting a team with talent and getting them to the next level. We don't need Marty.

Cowher would be fantastic. I'd give my left arm to get him in here. I'm not holding my breath, but if there's any chance to get him, I'd hire him in a heart-beat.

Rex Ryan wouldn't be too bad. I don't know that he'll get the job, but I could see him getting a shot.

Josh McDaniels, Norm Chow, and Jason Garrett would all be risks who I think would be great.

Russ Grimm is a name I've heard thrown into the mix. Wouldn't mind looking his way...interesting thought at least.

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[Norcross]

If you listened to the entire press conference, this team will be making a fundamental choice in its direction with the hiring of the next HC.

If you go with a Cowher, Schottenheimer type...it is all about pulling in the reigns on the veterans and bringing back some accountability.

If you go with a Jason Garrett/ HC-OC type, I have a hard time seeing some of these veterans still being with the team.

As for Rex Ryan, unless there is a high-profile Asst. HC/OC person on the table, I can't see him getting the job.

As always, look at the fact that Cowher turned down the ATL job. He may be waiting for Car, but don't be shocked to see him in Baltimore. One thing is sure, there is enough here to make a run at the title next year.

[psuasskicker]

As always, look at the fact that Cowher turned down the ATL job. He may be waiting for Car, but don't be shocked to see him in Baltimore. One thing is sure, there is enough here to make a run at the title next year.

I think Cowher's waiting to see if the Carolina job does open up, which we should know in the next couple days (and honestly it wouldn't shock me if it does). If it does, I think we've got no shot with him. If it doesn't, I think we do have at least a shot with him. I'd love to have him here.

If he doesn't come here, I think it'll be an assistant coach somewhere...I don't think we'd hire someone like Marty, Fox, Marvin Lewis, etc.

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[Big Meaty]

One thing Bisciotti stated in the press conference is dead on - this job will be at the top of a lot of candidate's lists. This is not the Falcons or the Dolphins. This is a franchise that just fired one of the longest tenured coaches in the league. There is job security here with an owner that spends money to bring in the talent the team needs. At the same time the owner doesn meddle and let's the head coach run the team. Meanwhile the franchise has one of the better front offices and scouting staffs and, oh yeah, the players - they're pretty good too, if they actually can stay on the field.

This is a dream job for a young star - that's who I think it will be. That's how I interpreted the "there is a hall of fame coach out there - it's our job to find him" statement. I don't think he meant that we will hire a coach that is already on his way to the hall of fame.

Garrett is a natural candidate but it is true that Jerry will pay him to stay and promise him the Cowboys job, which is one of the few jobs better than the Ravens.

We will not get a retread head coach. We will get the next Brian Billick, who was a good OC with Randy Moss that set all the scoring records. Hmm, does that mean McDaniels?

[4G63]

We will not get a retread head coach. We will get the next Brian Billick, who was a good OC with Randy Moss that set all the scoring records. Hmm, does that mean McDaniels?

I think he would be a great fit. He calls the plays and has been working with Brady as the QB's coach. He's also young and is wet behind the ears (in a good way!) that he would bring an energy and excitement to the Offense that we haven't had in a while.....

Here's his BIO (http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=coachbio&bio=24595) at the Pats website.

[phatboy]

I am hearing Jason Garret on all of the talking head shows. We can only hope. Cowturd is not the answer. We need new blood.

[purplepoe]

At the same time the owner doesn meddle and let's the head coach run the team.

We'll see in the next few years just how true this really is.

What happened today coupled with the press conference 2 years ago where he basically berated Billick in public leads me to believe that our owner isn't as hands off as many would like to believe.

There's a difference between being quiet when it comes to dealing with the media and being hands off.

PP

[highwater]

What happened today coupled with the press conference 2 years ago where he basically berated Billick in public leads me to believe that our owner isn't as hands off as many would like to believe.

I have been thinking the same thing -- he owns the team so of course he can make these decisions, but just because he doesn't talk to media doesn't mean he's not involved. He isn't a sideline media whore like Jerry Jones but that doesn't mean he's not involved in what's going on.

And that's his perogative of course, since he is the owner, but I don't like the way this came down. Although they have had all season to think about this, at his press conference he made it seem strangely impulsive. Maybe it wasn't impulsive, but that's how he made it sound.

[AZRAVEN]

One thing Bisciotti stated in the press conference is dead on - this job will be at the top of a lot of candidate's lists. This is not the Falcons or the Dolphins. This is a franchise that just fired one of the longest tenured coaches in the league. There is job security here with an owner that spends money to bring in the talent the team needs. At the same time the owner doesn meddle and let's the head coach run the team. Meanwhile the franchise has one of the better front offices and scouting staffs and, oh yeah, the players - they're pretty good too, if they actually can stay on the field.

This is a dream job for a young star - that's who I think it will be. That's how I interpreted the "there is a hall of fame coach out there - it's our job to find him" statement. I don't think he meant that we will hire a coach that is already on his way to the hall of fame.

Garrett is a natural candidate but it is true that Jerry will pay him to stay and promise him the Cowboys job, which is one of the few jobs better than the Ravens.

We will not get a retread head coach. We will get the next Brian Billick, who was a good OC with Randy Moss that set all the scoring records. Hmm, does that mean McDaniels?

I really, really doubt that a "young star" will be able to control this team. They have been running things for to long. It would take a grizzled vet to even attempt to rein in that locker room. Plus you have a somewhat meddlesome owner to contend with which wouldn't be good for a "young star".
I can't see Garrett leaving "America's team" to come to the Ravens. I mean, the talent he has in Dallas can't be matched in Baltimore.

[4G63]

I can't see Garrett leaving "America's team" to come to the Ravens. I mean, the talent he has in Dallas can't be matched in Baltimore.

I usually agree with you AZRAVEN, but a healthy Ravens team would hang/beat the 'Boys. Take away TO and they aren't that special on offense (see Redskins game 12/30). Remember, we had a mostly healthy team for the Pats' game and beat them on our own field (timeout anyone?)......

[psuasskicker]

I am hearing Jason Garret on all of the talking head shows. We can only hope. Cowturd is not the answer. We need new blood.

Yeah, totally. Why would we want a coach who in 15 years went 149-90-1, won 9 division championships, 2 conf championships, and a Superbowl? Cowher sucks.

:insane:

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[festivus]

Please lord not Rex freaking Ryan. We did not say goodbye to Brian Billick to get Rex freaking Ryan. Biscuit called replacing Billick a risk he is willing to take.

:grbac:

Replacing Billick with Ryan would be getting rid of a respected, accomplished coach, and replacing him with someone who (a) by reputation is also a player's coach, and (b) is part of the current, apparently broken, system that needs to be fixed.

If we want a new direction, we damn well better be going in a new direction.

[highwater]

Yeah, totally. Why would we want a coach who in 15 years went 149-90-1, won 9 division championships, 2 conf championships, and a Superbowl? Cowher sucks.

I'm not saying Cowher sucks, but what's so great about him? You just wrote that one of his teams won one Super Bowl in fifteen years . . . seems to me that Billick had a Super Bowl winning team in slightly less time than that.

And Cowher's Steelers teams, except for the Super Bowl year, had a habit of chocking like dogs in playoff games they were favored to win.

Pass on chin.

[Sephy]

I'm not worried about Bisciotti. He may in fact be more involved then we realize, but I don't think these two circumstances are anything to worry about. For 9 years not having an even serviceable offense and missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years..coaches have been fired for much less. As for him talking to Brian, I don't see a whole lot meddlesome in a "get your shit together" speech. Just my two cents.

[psuasskicker]

I'm not saying Cowher sucks, but what's so great about him? You just wrote that one of his teams won one Super Bowl in fifteen years . . . seems to me that Billick had a Super Bowl winning team in slightly less time than that.

And Cowher's Steelers teams, except for the Super Bowl year, had a habit of chocking like dogs in playoff games they were favored to win.

Pass on chin.

In 15 years, Cowher had 3 losing seasons. Never less than 6 wins. Won the division 9 times. NINE! That's insane.

He's a fantastic coach. Even in years he was supposedly on the hot seat, he turned it around the next year. He has no glaring weaknesses (unlike Billick). And one Superbowl every 15 years would be pretty freakin' great. There's 32 teams in the NFL. Winning one every 15 would be at a rate 2x what they "should" be winning it. And you can make the easy argument that the playoff monkey is off his back now, so there shouldn't be any more issues with it.

We can take a chance on another guy who might some day be a Hall of Fame coach like Garrett or McDaniels or Ryan.

Or, we can get a guy who we already know is gonna be a Hall of Fame coach in Cowher.

That's of course assuming we can get him. No guarantee. But if it's at all an option, he's an easy choice...there's no one on the market that's even as close to as attractive an option.

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[AZRAVEN]

My only issue with the "get your shit together" talking to was that it was done publically. Those issues are best resolved privately. This guy comes across to me as not knowing what the hell he's doing but making a lot of noise doing it. Last year he couldn't get off Brian's butt and gave him a large extension and now he fires him for limping home with half a roster on IR.

Sorry 4G, but I think the 'boys would clean up on the Ravens. I think one of the problems with Ravens fans is a tendency to seriously overrate the talent we have. This team has some serious deficiencies IMO. I sure think Romo is far superior to anyone we have at QB.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

In 15 years, Cowher had 3 losing seasons. Never less than 6 wins. Won the division 9 times. NINE! That's insane.


BUT 1 "ONE" SUPERBOWL WIN!! INEXCUSABLE:nerd:

[purple bird]

What does anyone think about Tyrone Willingham? It may be a shot in the dark but he seems to be a mix of Cowher/del Rio/Dungy. I think he would be a good candidate for this position.

Jack del Rio cut his underperforming 2003 1st round draft pick qb and bettered his team; Billick should have done the same several years ago!!!

[Galen Sevinne]

A guy I know is a sports editor of an area paper (not in baltimore) and he heard Jason Garrett might be the man. I would guess that if there is no one named in the next week or so that it could be him.

[Mwjergs]

I'm glad that the staff has been gutted. I think if the idea is that they need new blood, then that disqualifies Ryan.

Most pro teams go through the need for the players coach and the disciplinarian. I think we know which way the Ravens need to go.

Cowher is intriguing. If there is some actual teeth to this rumor, I'd take him no question. Well have to see.

[darb72]

Mariochie (The Mooch) is also available. Sure he sucked in Detroit, but so has every other coach ever. They're the Northern Cardinals.

I really like Singletary as the HC as well. He brings toughness to the posistion and he's been around the league long enough to know the ropes.

Jason Garrett is very intriguing. I think Jones is going to pay him a lot of money and promise him the Cowboys HC job in a few years to make him stay, but I think he'd be a good one.

[AA-Raven]

Mike Singletary
Ron Riveria
Rex Ryan

1 of the 3 would work for me

personally all this talk about Josh McDaniels is only cause he worked with the best Offense ever assembled, you take Brady, Moss, Welker and their OL and you wouldn't even hear of Josh McDaniels he wouldn't benefit here with the guys we have on O' imho, also Garrett is being groomed for the Dallas gig when PHillips walks away..as was mentioned by Jerry Jones himself when he hired him as the OC and Phillips as the HC.

[braven98]

I want Cowher

[Dade]

I want Cowher

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[UKRaven]

I think the players need to be polled on who the next coach should be.

NO - the players let Billick and us down. It should be nothing to do with them!

Cowherd or Shootemhammer - no thanks!

Not sold on Rex either - O too broke to let a D man fix it (unless he gets a fantastic O coordinater from somewhere).

[Mr.Boh]

I'm fairly certain Cowher is a done deal. This is one of those situations where they have to interview, but the positions already been filled in their heads. I've had a suspicion that Cowher has been courting the ravens all season. I thought I was just reading to much into it , but all the pieces seem to fit now.
I'd be willing to bet it is cowher.

[highwater]

A guy I know is a sports editor of an area paper (not in baltimore) and he heard Jason Garrett might be the man. I would guess that if there is no one named in the next week or so that it could be him.

I'd love to see Garrett here -- he's done a great job with the offense in Dallas -- but I can't believe Jerry Jones would let him go. I think he's already got Garrett penciled in as the Cowboys next HC.

[psuasskicker]

BUT 1 "ONE" SUPERBOWL WIN!! INEXCUSABLE:nerd:

Oh please. Learn to read better. There are many fans around the NFL that would kill for one SB win every 15 years.


What does anyone think about Tyrone Willingham? It may be a shot in the dark but he seems to be a mix of Cowher/del Rio/Dungy. I think he would be a good candidate for this position.

Ugh. Make yourself a list of all the college coaches that came to the NFL recently. Count the legit winners, the losers, and the complete disasters. The disasters alone far outweigh the winners, nevermind the simple losers. Saban, Petrino, and Spurrier just to name a few. If we hire a college coach I might kill myself.


personally all this talk about Josh McDaniels is only cause he worked with the best Offense ever assembled, you take Brady, Moss, Welker and their OL and you wouldn't even hear of Josh McDaniels he wouldn't benefit here with the guys we have on O' imho

I don't buy this logic at all, cause it's not just like the talent around him is what's done it. This guy's run some fantastic schemes. He's always coming up with inventive ways to keep defenses on their heels. One game they throw the ball 80% of the time, the next game they run it 90%. They have a very inventive offense and adjust faster than their opponents.

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[Baltoman07]

Is Frank Kush available?

[Galen Sevinne]

Is Frank Kush available?

I was hoping for Teddy Marchibroda.

[Galen Sevinne]

personally all this talk about Josh McDaniels is only cause he worked with the best Offense ever assembled, you take Brady, Moss, Welker and their OL and you wouldn't even hear of Josh McDaniels he wouldn't benefit here with the guys we have on O' imho,.

yep...just what we need another "offensive genius" , "guru" coming off an NFL record breaking season. I would gather that the front office would look beyond one great season by a coordinator. How's the "defensive genius" doing up in Cincinnatti?

[camdenyard]

I'd love to see Garrett here -- he's done a great job with the offense in Dallas

How can you be sure? How do we know it's not a dominant OL combined with a hot QB and Terrell Owens? Can you say Brian Billick?


-- but I can't believe Jerry Jones would let him go. I think he's already got Garrett penciled in as the Cowboys next HC.

If Garrett is offered a HC position, Jones really doesn't have anything to say about it. And if you are Garrett, seeing the success Phillips is having, are you going to pass up a cherry HC job for a "maybe, sometime"?

Make no mistake, the Ravens' job is going to be an attractive one. This isn't the Falcons.

Me, I would love to have Cowher here.

[highwater]

If Garrett is offered a HC position, Jones really doesn't have anything to say about it. And if you are Garrett, seeing the success Phillips is having, are you going to pass up a cherry HC job for a "maybe, sometime"?

All valid points, but I didn't mean that Jones could stop him from taking a HC job, just that he might do what he can to convince him to stay. From what I've heard and read from the so-called insiders, Jones thinks Garrett is terriific and would like him to eventually be the Cowboys HC.

Whether or not he can do that remains to be seen, but I think he'll try.

[BertinNC]

All valid points, but I didn't mean that Jones could stop him from taking a HC job, just that he might do what he can to convince him to stay. From what I've heard and read from the so-called insiders, Jones thinks Garrett is terriific and would like him to eventually be the Cowboys HC.

Whether or not he can do that remains to be seen, but I think he'll try.

I think Jones would LIKE to keep Garrett BUT what is he going to do, fire Phillips after what they have done this year? The real questions is: Does Garrett want to wait 3 or 4 years or more for a HC job that MIGHT come about IF the Cowboys start to decline dramatically or take a HC job now with a strong team (when healthy) and a great and solid organization?

I say Cowher first Garrett second.

[UKRavenStockers]

Rumour has it that Garrett won't take over in Dallas when Phillips no longer has success, Garrett will take over in Dallas when Jerry Jones deems that he is ready to be a head coach. I'd be very surprised if we were able to lure him away from Dallas, he's in an excellent spot right now.

Also if we're to get Garret, we'll have to get him this week or possibly have to wait until mid February to get our head coach, such is the danger of targetting assistants on playoff teams.

[underwriter]

Rumour has it that Garrett won't take over in Dallas when Phillips no longer has success, Garrett will take over in Dallas when Jerry Jones deems that he is ready to be a head coach. I'd be very surprised if we were able to lure him away from Dallas, he's in an excellent spot right now.

Also if we're to get Garret, we'll have to get him this week or possibly have to wait until mid February to get our head coach, such is the danger of targetting assistants on playoff teams.


I think you are 100% on...Garret will not leave Dallas...Jerry Jones won't let him. Jerry is grooming him to replace Phillips. Remember, Jerry hired Garrett BEFORE hiring his head coach...

I have always thought that Rex would be the best replacement...but the fact that they did not hire Rex right away makes me think they do not have the faith in Rex to right the ship. I think Cowher will get the offer...I am just not sure he will take it. Biscotti will make it a very good offer...just not sure if Cowher is ready to come back. Other than location, this is a much better franchise than Carolina. Cowher also gets to beat the Steelers twice a year......One more thing. Not that this should matter, but Lewis and Reed LOVE Cowher....after playing the Steelers Ray and Ed would always run to Cowher to hug or congratulate him....

UW:kissass:

[Losac]

Cowher also gets to beat the Steelers twice a year......
Do you think that will really factor into his decision? Cowher didn't leave the Steelers on bad terms. The team and city love him, and he loves Pittsburgh. I'm sure he's not very motivated to stick it to Tomlin and the Steelers twice a year as coach of their biggest rivals.

I think Cowher is an intriguing possibility. It all comes down to if he's ready to return to coaching yet and if he sees the Ravens as a good fit.

Ryan sounds like a popular choice among the players, and you know that as a defensive guy he'd definitely bring in an OC to implement a fresh offense.

McDaniels or Garrett just reak of the Billick situation in '99. So-called offensive "gurus" coming off a record-breaking season where they were surrounded by amazing talent.

Schottenheimer shouldn't even be an option.

[purplepoe]

I will be HUGELY disappointed if Rex Ryan becomes the head coach of this team.

PP

[RavenFanatic2k6]

I would prefer a defensive guy. Don't know about Ryan. I think a change in the attitude of the HC is needed, and I think Ryan shares the same type of style as Billick, that is, he is a "players" coach. I think we need a little bit of a tougher style in here to keep some of the ego's in check.

Having said that I would have on problem if Ryan is the guy they choose. I trust Ozzie and Bisciotti will make the right decision.

[HoustonRaven]

I was on the Ryan bandwagon but now Im leaning towards Jim Caldwell.

Peter King said it best -- anyone who has the praise of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison must be a hell of a coach!

[Rochardrik]

I would expect it to be Cowher, and just pay the fine on the Rooney rule.

Bisciotti wants to win, Cowher is a winner who understands the value of a Defense and running game. If Bisciotti can eat $5 million/season, he'll pay the price for Cowher.

:ralph: :insane: :ralph: :rolling: :grbac: :thumbdown: :embarassed: :kissass: :confused:

[Rochardrik]

I am hearing Jason Garret on all of the talking head shows. We can only hope. Cowturd is not the answer. We need new blood.

Thank You!!! Finally, someone sane! Just Say No to Spittle, Steely McBeam, Puleeze!

[Rochardrik]

I usually agree with you AZRAVEN, but a healthy Ravens team would hang/beat the 'Boys. Take away TO and they aren't that special on offense (see Redskins game 12/30). Remember, we had a mostly healthy team for the Pats' game and beat them on our own field (timeout anyone?)......
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[Rochardrik]

Yeah, totally. Why would we want a coach who in 15 years went 149-90-1, won 9 division championships, 2 conf championships, and a Superbowl? Cowher sucks.

:insane:

- C -

You answered your own sarcasm. Why didn't he win more SB's? ... He was outcoached in the playoffs all but 1 year... and that took 15 years to happen.... and happened mainly because of the zebras. NO THANKS!!!!!

[Rochardrik]

In 15 years, Cowher had 3 losing seasons. Never less than 6 wins. Won the division 9 times. NINE! That's insane.

He's a fantastic coach. Even in years he was supposedly on the hot seat, he turned it around the next year. He has no glaring weaknesses (unlike Billick). And one Superbowl every 15 years would be pretty freakin' great. There's 32 teams in the NFL. Winning one every 15 would be at a rate 2x what they "should" be winning it. And you can make the easy argument that the playoff monkey is off his back now, so there shouldn't be any more issues with it.

We can take a chance on another guy who might some day be a Hall of Fame coach like Garrett or McDaniels or Ryan.

Or, we can get a guy who we already know is gonna be a Hall of Fame coach in Cowher.

That's of course assuming we can get him. No guarantee. But if it's at all an option, he's an easy choice...there's no one on the market that's even as close to as attractive an option.

- C -
You also have contradicted yourself! 1 SB every 15 years, but "Billick has wasted a GREAT defense for 6 years, we should have won MORE SB's.... By my calculations, and your timetable, Billick had 7 more years to win another!... But he sucks, and spittle face is a SAVIOUR... yeah...
that's the ticket!!!:261695: :261695: :261695: :261695:

[Rochardrik]

BUT 1 "ONE" SUPERBOWL WIN!! INEXCUSABLE:nerd:

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[Rochardrik]

I'm fairly certain Cowher is a done deal. This is one of those situations where they have to interview, but the positions already been filled in their heads. I've had a suspicion that Cowher has been courting the ravens all season. I thought I was just reading to much into it , but all the pieces seem to fit now.
I'd be willing to bet it is cowher.

I Hate You!... or..... I hope you are WRONG!!!!!!!

[Rochardrik]

Oh please. Learn to read better. There are many fans around the NFL that would kill for one SB win every 15 years.



Ugh. Make yourself a list of all the college coaches that came to the NFL recently. Count the legit winners, the losers, and the complete disasters. The disasters alone far outweigh the winners, nevermind the simple losers. Saban, Petrino, and Spurrier just to name a few. If we hire a college coach I might kill myself.



I don't buy this logic at all, cause it's not just like the talent around him is what's done it. This guy's run some fantastic schemes. He's always coming up with inventive ways to keep defenses on their heels. One game they throw the ball 80% of the time, the next game they run it 90%. They have a very inventive offense and adjust faster than their opponents.

- C -
This is just unfathomable... We, by your timetable, would have to wait another 8 years for another SB... But we're all complaining about not having more? Think about it!

[Rochardrik]

Do you think that will really factor into his decision? Cowher didn't leave the Steelers on bad terms. The team and city love him, and he loves Pittsburgh. I'm sure he's not very motivated to stick it to Tomlin and the Steelers twice a year as coach of their biggest rivals.

I think Cowher is an intriguing possibility. It all comes down to if he's ready to return to coaching yet and if he sees the Ravens as a good fit.

Ryan sounds like a popular choice among the players, and you know that as a defensive guy he'd definitely bring in an OC to implement a fresh offense.

McDaniels or Garrett just reak of the Billick situation in '99. So-called offensive "gurus" coming off a record-breaking season where they were surrounded by amazing talent.

Schottenheimer shouldn't even be an option.
Where are you getting your info? Every Steeler fan I know were thrilled to be rid of him!!!!

[Losac]

Where are you getting your info? Every Steeler fan I know were thrilled to be rid of him!!!!
Then why was he invited back to Heinz for the old timer's night or whatever the hell it was when they kicked our ass on Monday night? Why does he sound like the biggest Steeler homer ever on CBS?

I've never heard any Steeler fans I know say a bad word about Cowher. In fact, most get defensive when anyone mentions him possibly coaching the Ravens.

[purplepoe]

Then why was he invited back to Heinz for the old timer's night or whatever the hell it was when they kicked our ass on Monday night? Why does he sound like the biggest Steeler homer ever on CBS?

I've never heard any Steeler fans I know say a bad word about Cowher. In fact, most get defensive when anyone mentions him possibly coaching the Ravens.

Exactly.

And to everyone saying how he only won 1 Super Bowl etc....

Maybe you need to temper your enthusiasm a bit.

9 Division titles, 2 super bowl appearances, and one super bowl win is nothing to sneeze at.

Sheesh.

PP

[Rochardrik]

Exactly.

And to everyone saying how he only won 1 Super Bowl etc....

Maybe you need to temper your enthusiasm a bit.

9 Division titles, 2 super bowl appearances, and one super bowl win is nothing to sneeze at.

Sheesh.

PP

He's a choker and a quitter! Many of those division titles came when he was in a sub-par division, he choked in ALL those playoff seasons, and was HANDED a SB by the officials and an NFL wanting to have the "Bettis comes home to win a SB" story line!!!!!!. I consider that sb completely illegitimate, and Cowher the most overrated coach af ALLL time!!!!!!

[Rochardrik]

Then why was he invited back to Heinz for the old timer's night or whatever the hell it was when they kicked our ass on Monday night? Why does he sound like the biggest Steeler homer ever on CBS?

I've never heard any Steeler fans I know say a bad word about Cowher. In fact, most get defensive when anyone mentions him possibly coaching the Ravens.

Well, I always thought he was beloved there, and it was after he quit that all the fans I know here in western Md, were... About time, good riddance, etc... maybe it was sour grapes!

[Fcowher]

Lord knows I have hated Cowher over the years but he would be a good replacement. As for him being outcoached, when was the last time we outcoached anybody here in good old Bmore? Ever hear of our opponets needing to make adjustments at halftime?

[Purpleguy]

How many coaches in the history of the Superbowl have wone more than one?

Cowher's accomplishments are incredible, especially given that he worked for a very frugal team and lost alot of his top players through FA. He always made adjustments. Cowher is the only guy that I would like to have at least as much as Billick if not more. If we hire anyone else than we have downgraded at the HC position.

[HoustonRaven]

If the status of Billick's contract is indeed true and he is only getting paid out for one year, then the door is now wide open for Cowher.

My two-cent list of who Id like to see in order:

1. Cowher
2. Caldwell
3. Ryan

[Fanman]

Here are my choices in order:

1. Jason Garrett
2. Kirk Lafrentz
3. Cowher

Marty is too old school and McDaniels is way too young.

FM

[Mr.Boh]

I was on the Ryan bandwagon but now Im leaning towards Jim Caldwell.

Peter King said it best -- anyone who has the praise of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison must be a hell of a coach!

I want nothing to do with Caldwell. I'm not saying he definitly wouldnt work, but Im too afraid that coaching Manning makes caldwell look better, not the other way around.
Again though, for better or worse, I'll bet anyone Cowhers a done deal. Any takers?
:jester: :jester:

[Fanman]

Didn't Biscuit say he has never even met Cowher before? If they reach a deal he will look like he was making misleading statements again.

Not that I care, but the press seems to get all upset about it.

FM

[Greg]

Manning calls his own plays and probably gets little in the way of coaching, perhaps Manning loves him because his coach doesn't bother him. That doesn't make him a good HC candidate.

The fact is, other than Cowher, each and every name mentioned is either proven worse than Billick (Schottenheimer, for those of you who bitch about winning playoff games) or is a crap shoot and has never been an NFL HC.

I hope Bisciotti did the right thing but in reality the odds are we will get somebody worse. Billick was a winning coach. Maybe his time here was up and so be it. But to assume the replacement will be better is assinine, the road is littered with failed NFL HCs, many who get second and third chances because good ones are so hard to find.

Let's just say I hope I am not saying "I told you so" in 12 months.

[ravenjoe]

Here are my choices in order:

1. Jason Garrett
2. Kirk Lafrentz
3. Cowher

Marty is too old school and McDaniels is way too young.

FM
If the core veterans of this team remain intact, then this organization Better bring in a respected veteran coach - i.e. Cowher. Otherwise, the inmates will Continue to run the asylum!!! In fact, the hiring of the new HC should send a clear message as to which way this organization is going. Bring in a young 'offensive guru', and we're probably looking to 'build for the future'; bring in a veteran presence, ala Cowher or Marty, and you're looking to win in the short-run!

[Bez513]

Manning calls his own plays and probably gets little in the way of coaching, perhaps Manning loves him because his coach doesn't bother him. That doesn't make him a good HC candidate.


I figured he did and then I saw him on the sidelines during the Titans game. He was calling the plays for sure...the OC just listened.

[Mr.Boh]

Didn't Biscuit say he has never even met Cowher before? If they reach a deal he will look like he was making misleading statements again.

Not that I care, but the press seems to get all upset about it.

FM

Never met him... Does that include the phone?
I will believe until proven otherwise that Cowher is a done deal. Steve B can never say that because if it was the case it was too soon, as cowher is still under contract if im not mistaken.

[HoustonRaven]

Jay Glazer just reported (Sunday morning, 1/6/08 on Fox's pre-game show) that Marty will be interviewed in the second round of interviews.

If he can just play more aggressive in the playoffs, he is a hell of a regular season coach.

[UKRavenStockers]

Jay Glazer just reported (Sunday morning, 1/6/08 on Fox's pre-game show) that Marty will be interviewed in the second round of interviews.

If he can just play more aggressive in the playoffs, he is a hell of a regular season coach.

Apparently, and I hasten to add that I've not seen any report myself, but apparently he's also got most of his staff sorted as well including Cam Cameron as the offensive co-ordinator.

[HoustonRaven]

Apparently, and I hasten to add that I've not seen any report myself, but apparently he's also got most of his staff sorted as well including Cam Cameron as the offensive co-ordinator.

yeah, heard that too ....

thats a tempting combo right there

[jonboy79]

I figured he did and then I saw him on the sidelines during the Titans game. He was calling the plays for sure...the OC just listened.


I noticed that as well, but don't forget, he was wearing a headset, and so was the man in the booth. When he is on the field, owrd is that he is typically sent down 2 runs and a pass to choose from.

[UKRavenStockers]

Another name I've been told is Sylvester Croom, Mississippi State head coach.


It'd be a little bit out of left field as a hire (only an interview now to the best of my knowledge) but he's an NFL guy who's coaching in college and he'd bring the disciplinary touch to give our guys the kick up the arse that they seriously need.

[psuasskicker]

yeah, heard that too ....

thats a tempting combo right there

Yup, nothing I enjoy more than dominating in the regular season and being one-and-done in the post season!

- C -

[HoustonRaven]

Yup, nothing I enjoy more than dominating in the regular season and being one-and-done in the post season!

- C -

Read my earlier posts .... I freely admit Marty's past failings .... but if Norv Turner can finally win in the post season, I think Marty can too.

[Rayvens52]

Read my earlier posts .... I freely admit Marty's past failings .... but if Norv Turner can finally win in the post season, I think Marty can too.

Norv's problem was in the regular season, that was why it was funny they got rid of a coach that couldn't win in the post season for a coach who fails in the regular season. You need a new argument

[Rxdoxx]

I don't really have an inside perspective to know who is out there that is an incredible sleeper choice... but I have one or two names that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Singletary is interesting, I think if someone wasn't really playing or was a team distraction, that he would be dealt with with a confrontation that few HCs would even dare to attempt.

But the one that really intrigues me is Russ Grimm. Especially when I look at his lineage of coaches. People say we want Cowher? Russ knows what Cowher would do (and what was/was not effective). And the years under Joe Gibbs? Russ would have to be a real dummy not to have learned how to handle things as a head coach. Grimm has been around long enough both on the field and in close contact to numerous very good coaches as part of the staff (Bugel, LeBeau, Don Breaux....)
I don't hear his name in the mix, but maybe it should be.

[Fanman]

If Garrett gets the HC job, I wonder who is choice for OC and DC would be?

I don't see him giving the DC job to Ryan.

FM

[HoustonRaven]

Norv's problem was in the regular season, that was why it was funny they got rid of a coach that couldn't win in the post season for a coach who fails in the regular season. You need a new argument

wtf??? What "argument" am I even making? read better!

[RavenScallywag]

More specifically, I don't see Ryan wanting to take the HC job here if someone gets it over him. I just get the feeling, based on how much he wants a HC gig and how respected he is, he'll go somewhere else for DC/Asst. H.C. if we don't give him the job.

I'd like to see Singletary come in as D.C., but I don't know if he'll leave his situation for that. Backup choice: Donnie Henderson.

O.C....I'm still pulling for Cam Cameron, but I'm guessing he'll either get a HC gig or just go wherever he thinks he has the best shot of being HC in a year or two. Mike Tice is another guy I'd be interested, but he's same situation as Singletary...don't know if he'd leave for an OC job. Another under the radar guy who might be interesting is Mike Sheppard, current WR coach in Cincy. He was the Saints OC a few years back, and he spent time on the Ravens staff earlier in his career.

[4G63]

Here are my choices in order:

1. Jason Garrett
2. Kirk Lafrentz
3. Cowher

Marty is too old school and McDaniels is way too young.

FM

Lafrentz?

Kirk FERENTZ already turned the job down.....see it HERE (http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/10560741)

[UKRavenStockers]

Apparently we're interviewing Scottenheimer's son Brian (current Jets offensive coordinator) as well as Marty in this round of interviews.

Down the bottom of the story (http://www.courant.com/sports/football/hc-nflup0107.artjan07,0,1459256.story)

[ravenjoe]

Yea, that's true. Don't really believe the Ravens can be seriously interested in hiring this guy as their HC. That just does not seem plausible!

[UKRavenStockers]

Yea, that's true. Don't really believe the Ravens can be seriously interested in hiring this guy as their HC. That just does not seem plausible!

Due process I suppose you'd call it, evidence of just how extensive this "short"list of 30 names was that we were going to be looking at/contacting/interviewing for the head coaching job.

[highwater]

Apparently we're interviewing Scottenheimer's son Brian (current Jets offensive coordinator) as well as Marty in this round of

You've got to be kidding me -- as OC for the Jets the past two years, they finished 25th and 26th in offense, and we're interviewing him?

If this isn't being done as a courtesy to Marty, I don't know what it is.

[purplepoe]

Im sorry, but what in the hell is with some of these interviews and potential interviews?

The FO didn't at least narrow it down to a reasonable list with reasonable candidates?

Is this "the plan" they drew up?

PP

[Purpleguy]

None of these candidates excite me at all.

When Art fired Marchibroada, we all knew Billick was the guy. The team had him hired as soon as he got off the plane, and we stuck it to Cleveland in the process.

Unless these interviews are all window dressing to disguise the eventual hiring of Cowher, then I am as unimpressed as ever with our FO.

[Fanman]

Let's play what if for a bit.

IF Cowher took the HC job....who do you want him to hire as OC and DC?

FM

[AZRAVEN]

Im sorry, but what in the hell is with some of these interviews and potential interviews?

The FO didn't at least narrow it down to a reasonable list with reasonable candidates?

Is this "the plan" they drew up?

PP

I don't think they had time to narrow it down. I think it's pretty obvious that Mr Whimsey (SB) and Cass cooked up the dump Billick plan on the spur of the moment so it stands to reason that no logical analysis could have been done before hand. Besides logical analysis wouldn't seem to fit in with Mr Whimsey's "chance taking", "gut feeling" management style. I think we're in for Mr. Toad's wild ride here. :confused:

[highwater]

IF Cowher took the HC job....who do you want him to hire as OC and DC?

I don't think Cowher will take the job, but if he did, I think Cam Cameron would be worth a look at OC, and I'd like to see Rex back as DC although I don't know if they want him back in that role.

[Mr.Boh]

Unless these interviews are all window dressing to disguise the eventual hiring of Cowher, then I am as unimpressed as ever with our FO.

Bingo. Biscotti is going all out to cover up the meddling so we dont owe pittsburgh a draft pick.

Everyone at WNST knows the score, and their avoidance of the truth is not exactly oscar worthy. But thats why they are sports radio guys and not actors.

[highwater]

I don't think they had time to narrow it down. I think it's pretty obvious that Mr Whimsey (SB) and Cass cooked up the dump Billick plan on the spur of the moment so it stands to reason that no logical analysis could have been done before hand. Besides logical analysis wouldn't seem to fit in with Mr Whimsey's "chance taking", "gut feeling" management style. I think we're in for Mr. Toad's wild ride here. :confused:

That was beautifully stated -- I have nothing to add.

[Purpleguy]

Bingo. Biscotti is going all out to cover up the meddling so we dont owe pittsburgh a draft pick.

Everyone at WNST knows the score, and their avoidance of the truth is not exactly oscar worthy. But thats why they are sports radio guys and not actors.

If we are bringing in Cowher, then I doubt anyone outside of the Biscuit and Cowher know this. Ozzie wouldn't even know. The reason being is that there is no way Cowher takes the job unless he has complete control of personell. This would mean Ozzie and Billick would both be looking for jobs.

[HoustonRaven]

Hate to tell you folks, but Cowher is not even being considered at this point. He has publicly stated he isnt coming back to coach next season and said as recently on the CBS pre-game show yesterday.

[purplepoe]

Hate to tell you folks, but Cowher is not even being considered at this point. He has publicly stated he isnt coming back to coach next season and said as recently on the CBS pre-game show yesterday.

I've heard alot of coaches say alot of things.

PP

[highwater]

Hate to tell you folks, but Cowher is not even being considered at this point. He has publicly stated he isnt coming back to coach next season and said as recently on the CBS pre-game show yesterday.

And as we all know, former coaches like him always tell the truth about such matters. :grbac:

[HoustonRaven]

And as we all know, former coaches like him always tell the truth about such matters. :grbac:

I dont know what coach you're talking about, but Cowher, if anything, is a straight shooter.

And as further evidence, the gambling sites dont even list him in their odds as being the next head coach. If he was even a long shot at this point, they'd take your hard earned money for the bet.

[purplepoe]

I dont know what coach you're talking about, but Cowher, if anything, is a straight shooter.

And as further evidence, the gambling sites dont even list him in their odds as being the next head coach. If he was even a long shot at this point, they'd take your hard earned money for the bet.

Yep, he seems to be a straight shooter.

But 7 million a year with complete control can change alot of things.

Im not saying that's even been contemplated by Bisciotti.

All I know even the straightest of shooters can be swayed.

PP

[Losac]

Why the hell are they interviewing Brian Schottenheimer? He's been the OC of the Jets for 2 years and they have finished at the bottom of the league in offense both years. I guess his last name gets him in the door for an interview pretty much anywhere? :grbac:

[purplepoe]

Why the hell are they interviewing Brian Schottenheimer? He's been the OC of the Jets for 2 years and they have finished at the bottom of the league in offense both years. I guess his last name gets him in the door for an interview pretty much anywhere? :grbac:

This is exactly my point.

What is it with some of these candidates?

Say what you want but this "process" so far hasn't exactly impressed me.

PP

[flraven]

With the way they've been wanting to talk to everyone around the NFL, maybe they should ask Filmstudy! :)

JMO, they shouldn't talk to anyone named Schottenheimer.

[highwater]

I dont know what coach you're talking about, but Cowher, if anything, is a straight shooter.

I wasn't referring to any particular coach because there are plenty of examples (my recent favorite is Nick Saban scolding the press for rumors of him going to Alabama, saying "I will not be the next coach of Alabama!" and then of course becoming the next coach of Alabama just a few weeks later).

BTW, as I said earlier in this thread, I don't think Cowher will take this job either, I'm just saying that quoting him as saying he's not interested is not exactly compelling evidence. How many times has Bill Parcells said he's retired and then un-retired?

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Yeah, this whole search blows man.

Nobody excites me...even Cowher although he is far and away the best pick.

Just say no to all these young 30's guys...no way they survive in this locker room.

Marty? Not really interested in a 65 year old coach.

The only guys that make sense to me are Jason Garrett and Rex Ryan...and Jim Caldwell a distant third and none are a sure thing. I like Rex, but the thought of having the "inmates run the asylum" is a bad thought IMHO.

In the end, at this point, I think Jason Garrett is the best choice. Is he an upgrade from Brian? Dunno. I was as read as I've ever been for him to go, but this level of being so unprepaired is unnerving.

And this Brian Schottenhiemer interview is just absolutely retarded. Don't understand and if he were to get hired this town will have a mutiny.

[Losac]

Say what you want but this "process" so far hasn't exactly impressed me.


I agree. I seriously thought that as a successful businessman, Bisciotti was preparing to part ways with Billick and coming up with a candidate list all along. It really does seem like he just woke up one morning on a whim and decided to fire him, and now they really have no idea what they are doing.

[highwater]

And this Brian Schottenhiemer interview is just absolutely retarded. Don't understand and if he were to get hired this town will have a mutiny.

I would be shocked if Brian Schottenhiemer gets the job, there's just no way, but then why even bring him in?

But I agree with just about everything Raveninwoodlawn said in his last post. None of the candidates I've heard about so far exactly send my pulse racing. So far Garrett is my favorite, but I'm not sure he would be an upgrade, just a change. That might be good, of course, and appears to be what Bisciotti wants, but we'll obviously have to wait and see.

The other candidates don't interest me at all, so far. I like Marty but he's too old, I like Rex but if Bisciotti wants a change, I doubt he will bring him back, the 31-year-old coordinator at NE didn't even want to talk about a HC job which is fine with me because as Raveninwoodlawn pointed out, any HC that age would be chewed up and spit out in this locker room. And I sure don't want a college coach, unless it's someone with a lot of NFL experience.

Maybe someone else will come up soon to get me interested, but so far, this search looks like the firing of Billick -- thrown together at the last minute.

[psuasskicker]

You guys are crazy. WTF is the hurry? You'd rather they rush into a decision rather than examining all the options? Great idea! You should all be GMs and own your own teams, you'd be Superbowl winners every year!

Such message board mentality...

- C -

[purplepoe]

Such message board mentality...

- C -


.....on a message board.

PP

[Dont Know]

I am not impressed either so far. I think they are holding out for someone. If I had to guess, they are waiting for Jack Del Rio.

[psuasskicker]

.....on a message board.

This place usually avoids that.


I think they are holding out for someone. If I had to guess, they are waiting for Jack Del Rio.

Yeah, he'll probably get fired after dumping Leftwich for this year's #3 rated QB and leading them to their best year and first playoff win in a long time.

- C -

[ravenjoe]

Could Brian Shottenheimer come over as OC if his 'ol man got HC, and Cam Cameron was already taken? Cam Cameron is Marty's choice as OC.

[Dont Know]

Yeah, he'll probably get fired after dumping Leftwich for this year's #3 rated QB and leading them to their best year and first playoff win in a long time.

Not fired, he is signed through 2008 but he can supposedly void the last year of his contract and has done so. He should be free to go anywhere he wants to after the 2007 season.

If that isn't accurate, well, then there is no chance he will be the new head coach.

[copenhaggard]

Not fired, he is signed through 2008 but he can supposedly void the last year of his contract and has done so. He should be free to go anywhere he wants to after the 2007 season.

If that isn't accurate, well, then there is no chance he will be the new head coach.

Why would he leave Jacksonville though?

[highwater]

You guys are crazy. WTF is the hurry? You'd rather they rush into a decision rather than examining all the options?

What does "WTF is the hurry" have to do with anything that's been discuused here? The question is about the process and the candidates, not how quickly they get it done. If they take three months and hire the guy they think is best, that's fine with me, but bringing in Marty's son, who has done NOTHING to really deserve such consideration, is just odd at best. I wouldn't want him as an OC, much less HC.

Hurry's got nothing to do with it.

[The Fanatic]

Why would he leave Jacksonville though?

Have you ever been there?

Freakin' truck stop that makes landfills look appealing.

Oh yeah...

MONEY!!!!!

That and maybe the opportunity to work in a larger market team in a much nicer facility.


With that out of the way...

If they hire Brian Shottenheimer as Billicks replacement I'm gonna spaz out!:179421:

Firing somebody like Billick (even with his faults) for baby Shottenheimer would be assinine at best.

I'm not real thrilled about the majority of the candidates that have been brought in or mentioned so far.

I'd imagine it's pretty easy to coach an offense like Indys with the players they have.
Same goes for Dallas and Garrett.


You wanna bring in Marty, I can live with that.
Dude may have not gotten it done in the post season to date, but he gets there with a wide array of team builds.

This lockerroom could probably use a swift kick in the ass anyway.

Apparently some of the "Leaders" in the locker room wanted Billick gone.

Sometimes you better be careful what you ask for.

If they get Cowher, fine.
I can live with him to.
At minimum, he'll get their respect and the guy can coach.

I personally don't think he's gonna be the man, but you never know I suppose.

It baffles me that guys like Russ Grimm, Donnie Henderson, etc. aren't even mentioned but Brian Shottenheimer and Mike Singletary are.

Grimm comes from pretty good upbringing with alot of experience.
Dude was an offensive lineman with that type of mentallity which is really where we need the most help toi make the rest of the offense at least function to a respectable level to start.
Dude also coached under Cowher so I'm sure he picked up a few things along the way.
He's also got knowledge on how the Steelers tick which can't hurt either.
I'd like to think that when a guy with multiple Superbowl rings as a player and coach walks in he'd get some respect.

Donnie Henderson is an ass kicker to who was pretty well respected when he was here but I'm not sure if he's head coachinbg material.

Shit, at least he's been coaching in the league at some level for a hell of alot longer then some of these cats getting mentioned or interviewed.

I'd even take a look at Dennis Green as long as they're trying to be thorough.


When it's all said and done, I think it will be Marty.

I may be wrong, but that's the gut feeling I'm getting.

Brian Shottenheimer??:ralph: :ralph: :ralph: :ralph:

[The Fanatic]

:grbac: Up next...

John Harbaugh and Jim Schwartz (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravenscoach107,0,3592071.story)

Don't know a damn thing about Harbaugh other then he's Jim Harbaughs brother.

Schwartz I could handle to.

His ass should have been higher on the list to begin with.

Nothing wrong with bringing in a Baltimore guy with some half way decent history to his resume.

Brian Shottenheimer??:grbac: :bag: :grbac: :bag:

Gimme a Fuckin' break!!

[Greg]

If they hire somebody like Brian Shottenheimer or equivalent, such as the Fedex driver who delivers packages to 1 Winning Drive, then I won't have to wait 12 months to strut about stating that I didn't like the idea of firing Billick.

Apparently this has been pretty much a clusterfuck, what with Clowny coordinators passing without interviewing and shit. Does Bisciotti have a bad name in the league we don't know about? It really is hitting rock bottom when Clowny can run smack about not just what happens on the field, but what is happening in the front office as well.

I hope I am wrong, but I think firing Billick is going to prove to be a mistake.

[copenhaggard]

If they hire somebody like Brian Shottenheimer or equivalent, such as the Fedex driver who delivers packages to 1 Winning Drive, then I won't have to wait 12 months to strut about stating that I didn't like the idea of firing Billick.

Apparently this has been pretty much a clusterfuck, what with Clowny coordinators passing without interviewing and shit. Does Bisciotti have a bad name in the league we don't know about? It really is hitting rock bottom when Clowny can run smack about not just what happens on the field, but what is happening in the front office as well.

I hope I am wrong, but I think firing Billick is going to prove to be a mistake.

I'll be honest, I wasn't very high on Billick this year, and thought it was his time to move on.

That being said, the way this firing has been handled, and looking at how the interviewing process, and the canidate choices have progressed, I am a little worried.

I'm not too high on a young/inexperienced coach, especially for this team.

[Mr.Boh]

Apparently this has been pretty much a clusterfuck, what with Clowny coordinators passing without interviewing and shit. Does Bisciotti have a bad name in the league we don't know about? It really is hitting rock bottom when Clowny can run smack about not just what happens on the field, but what is happening in the front office as well.

The Browns OC skipping out on the interview makes me believe Cowher is a done deal even more. Why bother being part of the smokescreen when Savage has caught wind from friends who remain in the Ravens FO that its all for show?

[HoustonRaven]

What a shocker ... those who hated Billick getting fired are now saying what a "cluster fuck" the process has been. Im stunned. I need to lay down now.

We're 8 days into a search and people are expecting something more than a miracle.

Some people wont be satisfied even if we sign Jesus himself. So that part I understand.

But what about a little patience?

[Rochardrik]

I would be shocked if Brian Schottenhiemer gets the job, there's just no way, but then why even bring him in?

But I agree with just about everything Raveninwoodlawn said in his last post. None of the candidates I've heard about so far exactly send my pulse racing. So far Garrett is my favorite, but I'm not sure he would be an upgrade, just a change. That might be good, of course, and appears to be what Bisciotti wants, but we'll obviously have to wait and see.

The other candidates don't interest me at all, so far. I like Marty but he's too old, I like Rex but if Bisciotti wants a change, I doubt he will bring him back, the 31-year-old coordinator at NE didn't even want to talk about a HC job which is fine with me because as Raveninwoodlawn pointed out, any HC that age would be chewed up and spit out in this locker room. And I sure don't want a college coach, unless it's someone with a lot of NFL experience.

Maybe someone else will come up soon to get me interested, but so far, this search looks like the firing of Billick -- thrown together at the last minute.Here's a reason to interview Brian... As a favor to Marty... it would make other teams give him more consideration in future HC interviewing. So, Why would they do that?.... As a condition of Marty coming here to be our HC... Not sayin', ....just sayin'.!

[deuce]

The Browns OC skipping out on the interview makes me believe Cowher is a done deal even more. Why bother being part of the smokescreen when Savage has caught wind from friends who remain in the Ravens FO that its all for show?

I thought the Browns OC just signed a contract extension.

[HoustonRaven]

Im going to call it right now ....

Rex Ryan will be our next head coach. Bisciotti made mention in his press conference he didnt want to be looking for a coach every 3 years and that a long term solution was the most desirable.

That tells me he wants to stay young with the next pick. Sparano will most likely go to Miami, Garret is being groomed for Dallas and unless Chucky down in Tampa calls it quits (he aint happy there), Ryan is the logical solution to keep the coaching staff young. Ryan is 45, knows the players well AND isnt committed to any particular player(s).

Im not saying I agree with it, just playing the odds.

Any takers?

[RavenScallywag]

Schwartz is another young guy, he's only 41. He's a Baltimore native and he's had some more experience as a DC than Rex. And I wouldn't be so quick to discount Garrett...Unless Dallas just throws a lot of money at him, he'll go for a good HC job, rather than waiting out Dallas.

[highwater]

Here's a reason to interview Brian... As a favor to Marty...

This is exactly what I said earlier in this thread (or maybe in a related thread) -- if it's not a favor to Marty, then I don't know why they're doing it.

And as I also mentioned in this or another related thread, people like me are not complaining about the timeline, it's just the whole process, the last-minute feel of the whole move, and some of the seemingly marginal candidates they are looking at. So stop with the "What's the rush?" stuff. I'm not criticizing the pace and I'm not in a rush, I'm just questioning how they are going about this. It appears they fired Billick without any plan on how to replace him.

[purplepoe]

And as I also mentioned in this or another related thread, people like me are not complaining about the timeline, it's just the whole process, the last-minute feel of the whole move, and some of the seemingly marginal candidates they are looking at. So stop with the "What's the rush?" stuff. I'm not criticizing the pace and I'm not in a rush, I'm just questioning how they are going about this. It appears they fired Billick without any plan on how to replace him.

Exactly.

Seems to me that the "anybody but Billick" camp doesn't care what happens as long as he's not the coach.

That's all well and fine except some of us aren't exactly thrilled with the way this whole thing is going down.

I guess I'd be considered somewhat unhappy with Billick's departure but not overly upset. I can see where people wanted him gone and I certainly didn't lose any sleep over it.

And it's done. But even if I wanted him gone at all costs I'd still raise questions about what's gone on the last 9 days or so.

PP

[Fanman]

How could there have been a plan to find BB replacement when Bisciut said the decision was made the morning of the Pittsburgh game? If this is true then this process is on the fly.

Granted some of the candidates seem unworthy....but I have confidence this will work out in the end. It's only been 9 days and NFL rules prohibit candidates on playoff teams. I doubt it will be done before the SuperBowl.

FM

[RavenScallywag]

Basically, Garrett, Sparano, and Caldwell can't have second interviews until the bye week between the Conference championships and the SB, i think...unless their teams get knocked out. So I guess it makes sense to finish up our Round 1 interviews while these guys are unavailable...

The only concern I have is we seemed to have a list of 4-5 strong candidates, and after interviewing them, it's almost like we're going "Ok, anyone else want to coach the Ravens? We'll interview you!" Brian Schottenheimer only makes sense as a favor to Marty, I agree. John Harbaugh is intriguing, but if he gets HC, half of Baltimore will be scratching their heads, while the other half will be calling for Biscuit's head. I like Jim Schwartz and he makes sense, since the Titans were in the playoffs until Sunday, but apparently we haven't asked permission from the Titans to interview him, or haven't scheduled an interview...

I'd almost rather the brass say "Ok, we're finished Round 1 of interviews...we're going to deliberate for awhile and come back for Round 2". That way we know our list is set at we are forming our plans.

Also contributing to this frustration is when Preston decides to join in the mocking by suggesting we trade a draft pick or two to Cincy for Marvin Lewis for HC. I think he was being serious, but I just don't see Marvin coming here.

[HoustonRaven]

I love everyone here so please dont read into this but how do any of you know what the "process" is anyway???

Besides hearing rumors from talk radio and Preston (puke) NONE of know what's going on behind the scenes. And to hear sme in here, you'd think they worked at 1 Winning Drive as a fly on the wall. And some of you have the patenice of a gnat -- it took over a month to get Billick singed and some of the best candidates are coaching in the playoffs! We are a desired destination for any of the candidates. That's to our favor and we can afford to be patient. Start panicing this time in February! ;)

I dont see anything wrong with interviewing anyone who has the credentials, no matter how much of a long shot they may be. I do it everyday! I look for a range of experience and talent, interview the best and the marginal and make my decision. Sometimes I have suprised by the skill set of the less experienced candidates, sometimes Im surprised how stupid the more experienced candidates end up being.

Point is, we have a business guy for an owner who is, shocker, acting like a business guy.

[Fanman]

No offense to Marvin Lewis...but why would Ravens fans want him back here? He has done nothing as a HC in Cincy.

The only guy left from his SB defense is Ray Lewis.

FM

[Sephy]

And Chris McAlister. But I wouldn't want Marvin either. He hasn't been able to corral the big personalities in Cincy, and I don't know who's to blame for that massive jail cell of a stadium since he controls the draft partly. I think Preston is stumping for Marvin on a personal basis.

[festivus]

Marvin Lewis. Yeaaah, after all the good things he's done in Cincy, with one of the best qb's in football.

Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

Someone - Mike Florio? - while a guest on one of the local radio stations awhile back said Lewis in Cincy has a reputation for blowing hot and cold. Being a player's guy one day, then a tough guy the next, and that act can wear players out pretty quick. Not sure I'm remembering that 100%, but that was the gist of it.

[HoustonRaven]

Former Redskin GM and CBS analyst Charlie Casserly was on The Junkies yesterday and spoke of Cowher.

He stated Cowher has said numerous times around the studio that he will not coach next year and wants to sit out until 2009. He wants to stay out one more year because his daughter is a Junior in high school and doesnt want her to be uprooted. He also said Ryan will get interviewed by the Skins in the near future.

The podcast is available on iTunes if anyone wants to hear it.

[RavenScallywag]

Honestly, if they do hire Rex Ryan, I think we should immediatley respond by hiring Gregg Williams as our DC. Seriously, I think that guy will fly the coup if another DC gets the HC job over him. Wouldn't mind him here, think he's a pretty good defensive mind. He'd probably ask for a ton of money, but like Rex, I see him flying the coup if someone else gets HC over him.

[HoustonRaven]

I dont see Gregg Williams coming here and really dont think he's a great idea anyway. He botched it when he was HC in Buffalo.

Snyder wants a big name and I dont think Ryan qualifies. The next HC for the Skins will be making at least $5 Million a year, given what was being paid to Gibbs. I dont see Danny boy shelling out that kind of cash for Ryan.

[RavenScallywag]

i agree...Unless it's Cowher, I think Gregg Williams has got to be their guy. He's the highest paid assistant in the NFL because they wanted to groom him under Gibbs. The only other thing I can see is Snyder trading draft picks for a current HC, because that would net him a big name and he loves giving draft picks away.

[UKRavenGordon]

I think right now my top 3 choices are:

Schwartz
Garrett
Caldwell

I'd be happy with any of those three. Schwartz and Caldwell have both worked under great coaches in Fisher and Dungy. I know this doesn't automatically make them good coaches however, Its really just a gut thing I guess.

Garrett is one of the brightest young minds in the game and I think it'd be good to see us take a chance.

Marty is a great Reg Season coach, but I don't want to win 14 games in the regular season and then lose every playoff game. I'd rather we took a chance and a new coach made his name here.

[UKRavenStockers]

i agree...Unless it's Cowher, I think Gregg Williams has got to be their guy. He's the highest paid assistant in the NFL because they wanted to groom him under Gibbs. The only other thing I can see is Snyder trading draft picks for a current HC, because that would net him a big name and he loves giving draft picks away.

Pretty sure the NFL banned that after the whole Gruden to Tampa Bay thing went down.

[RavenScallywag]

I don't think so, that's what Preston is suggesting we do with Marvin Lewis. Also, it happened with Herm Edwards going to KC a few years ago.

[UKRavenStockers]

I don't think so, that's what Preston is suggesting we do with Marvin Lewis. Also, it happened with Herm Edwards going to KC a few years ago.

Or was it the money that was involved that was banned after the Gruden trade? Wasn't that cash & picks to Oakland and they changed the rules on one after that? :229031_confused2:

[Mwjergs]

No offense to Marvin Lewis...but why would Ravens fans want him back here? He has done nothing as a HC in Cincy.

The only guy left from his SB defense is Ray Lewis.

FM

I read this online today as I was scrounging for rumors.

No, real convincing arguement other than he likes him and he was here during the Super Bowl run.

Why would you trade draft picks to a team within your division?
Why would you get another old face back, when you want fresh ideas?
His success as a HC is spotty at best. One playoff appearance in 5 years? 42-38 overall.
First losing season but with 3 (8-8) records in there, I don't want mediocrity.
When his team has had the expectations of going to the next level, they fall flat.
His quarterback just gave a huge endorsement of his coaching skill.

Yeah, that's my guy.

[UKRavenGordon]

Yeah I think it was the cash thingy that was banned.

I wouldn't hate Marvin Lewis as head coach but he'd be about number 8 on my list right now at the highest. However, if we have to give up anything to get a coach then I'm against it.

The Bucs gave up 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders plus cash for Gruden and IMO it wasn't worth it. They won a SB with Dungy's team and the arguement that Dungy couldn't have won a SB was blown out of the water last year. Since then they've only made the playoffs twice and have been 1 and done both times. He's not the worst coach in the world but until someone proves to me that they wouldn't have won the SB without him then I refuse to agree that it was worth what they gave up.

[Losac]

:grbac::grbac::grbac::grbac::grbac:

Good Lord, people are actually calling for Marvin Lewis?

Sure, he's had one winning season and a single one-and-done playoff appearance in 5 years. He's fielded a team of undisciplined thugs, and his Pro-Bowl QB just publicly called for his removal.

Nostalgia for the 2000 season should not blind anyone to the facts. Kind of like how Clinton-nostalgia is tricking so many into supporting Hillary?

[HoustonRaven]

Marvin Lewis wont happen.

One, he's no better than Billick and I think Bisciotti sees that. Two, Preson is the only one in the press really saying it (but watch, other news outlets will start saying "Sources state that blah blah blah").

We're in for the long haul and we're not very close to picking someone.

[purplepoe]

I've heard it all now.

TRADE picks for a coach that has had exactly one winning season?

A coach who's presided over 5 years of continuous arrests and embarrassing incidents by his players off the field.

A coach who has let egos get even more out of control then what we have here with our players.

A defensive coach who has spent high picks on defense and still cannot put together an even average unit?

A coach who's franchise QB just came out publicly threw much of the coaching staff under the bus and basically said he's got no confidence in them. (I loved the spin that I read that said Marvin is in agreement with Palmer). Priceless.

The idea of hiring Marvin Lewis if he were available without giving up picks is laughable.

Giving picks up for him?

Beyond ridiculous.

PP

[highwater]

The idea of hiring Marvin Lewis if he were available without giving up picks is laughable.

Giving picks up for him? Beyond ridiculous.

I could add more, but why bother? I totally agree with the above.

But I can't help myself, so I must add one comment -- anyone who thinks Marvin Lewis, coach of a team of head cases that he has consistently refused to rein in, would be an upgrade over Billick is crazy.

[HoustonRaven]

Can the debate about Cowher finally come to an end too?

Here is his quote to put it all to rest:

"I don't have any plans to coach in 2008," Cowher said.

If Cowher wanted to return, he likely would be at the top of the list for every team seeking a new coach.

There had been speculation that the Ravens would make a run at Cowher to replace Brian Billick, who was fired Dec. 31. Owner Steve Bisciotti has denied rumors that he had begun courting Cowher for the Ravens' job during the season.

One reason Cowher wants to stay out of coaching is that doing so allows him to watch his three daughters play college and high school basketball.

"No one from Baltimore has contacted me," Cowher said. "I want to spend more time with my family, and I'm really enjoying and trying to get better at my job at CBS."

Now Im sure some will read into the word "plans" but get real people. When it's couched with his desire to see his kids through school, I think its a lead-pipe lock he wont be coaching ANY team next year.

[Losac]

Can the debate about Cowher finally come to an end too?

Here is his quote to put it all to rest:

"I don't have any plans to coach in 2008," Cowher said.

If Cowher wanted to return, he likely would be at the top of the list for every team seeking a new coach.

There had been speculation that the Ravens would make a run at Cowher to replace Brian Billick, who was fired Dec. 31. Owner Steve Bisciotti has denied rumors that he had begun courting Cowher for the Ravens' job during the season.

One reason Cowher wants to stay out of coaching is that doing so allows him to watch his three daughters play college and high school basketball.

"No one from Baltimore has contacted me," Cowher said. "I want to spend more time with my family, and I'm really enjoying and trying to get better at my job at CBS."

Now Im sure some will read into the word "plans" but get real people. When it's couched with his desire to see his kids through school, I think its a lead-pipe lock he wont be coaching ANY team next year.

Just like Nick Saban definitely positively wasn't leaving Miami. Take what anyone says with a grain of salt.

[HoustonRaven]

Just like Nick Saban definitely positively wasn't leaving Miami. Take what anyone says with a grain of salt.

Nick didnt have kids in high school and he NEVER had the reputation of being a straight shooter the way Cowher has.

Wouldnt there at least be even a rumor of him talking to the Ravens?

Again, another person qualified to be a Baltimroe Sun Pot-Stirrer! ;)

[Rayvens52]

I could add more, but why bother? I totally agree with the above.

But I can't help myself, so I must add one comment -- anyone who thinks Marvin Lewis, coach of a team of head cases that he has consistently refused to rein in, would be an upgrade over Billick is crazy.

and again even though this has been said about him, he has an outstanding QB, great WR and he can't get it done there, no thanks to him coming here and trying to fix this, let him stay in Cincy and keep them down, one less team to worry about each year he is there.

[Losac]

Nick didnt have kids in high school and he NEVER had the reputation of being a straight shooter the way Cowher has.

Wouldnt there at least be even a rumor of him talking to the Ravens?

Again, another person qualified to be a Baltimroe Sun Pot-Stirrer! ;)

Who says anything about stirring the pot? Just saying that coaches are always saying one thing and then changing their minds the next. If Cowher means what he says, then fine, but just don't be surprised if he ends up on some sideline next year.

[highwater]

Just saying that coaches are always saying one thing and then changing their minds the next. If Cowher means what he says, then fine, but just don't be surprised if he ends up on some sideline next year.

Losac is right. Marty Schottenheimer is a straight shooter, and he said on national TV that he would never work for an owner like Dan Snyder, and the very next year he was working for him.

I think that Cowher actually will sit next year out, but not just because he says so, because you cannot believe these guys.

[purplepoe]

Losac is right. Marty Schottenheimer is a straight shooter, and he said on national TV that he would never work for an owner like Dan Snyder, and the very next year he was working for him.

Perfect example.

PP

[purplepoe]

Interesting notes on Del Rio.

I was listening to WBAL a few minutes ago and Steve Davis had a local sportscaster from Jax on.

After talking about the Pats/Jags game Davis brought up the slim chance that Del Rio voids the last year of his deal and comes to Baltimore.

The sportscaster's (he's from Baltimore btw) answer was surprising. He said the chances aren't nearly as slim as we might think.

He listed a few reasons:

1. Del Rio doesn't love it in Jax and his family isn't entrenched there. He doesn't dislike it necessarily but he's not set on staying there.

2. Apparently when LSU fired Saban and was looking for a new head coach, Del Rio let it be known in a big way that he was waiting for a call from Baton Rouge. Apparently Weaver (Jags owner) lost it and they met and hashed out an extension.

3. He does indeed have the option to void the last year of his contract (08)

Now I know those aren't compelling reasons to think there's even a chance of this happening but the guy from Jax certainly thought it was at least remotely possible.

He also said Del Rio is still very terse with the media and hasn't really shown the ability to handle the media in a very savvy way.

His last comment was a bit more unsettling as he said something to the effect that "Del Rio has those Bobby Petrino wandering eyes".

If nothing else it at least sparked my interest a little.

PP

[HoustonRaven]

Oh wow ... Im all for Del Rio coming back!

[HoustonRaven]

Who says anything about stirring the pot? Just saying that coaches are always saying one thing and then changing their minds the next. If Cowher means what he says, then fine, but just don't be surprised if he ends up on some sideline next year.

If by "coaches" you mean only two coaches (Petrino and Saban) then yes, I agree. I prefer to look at their reputation along with what they say. Combine the two and there is no way in hell Cowher comes back at all, let alone for us as HC.

[xmradiodave]

Until I hear it right from Cowhers mouth, I ain't givin' up on the dream! And by hear it right from him, I mean a personal phone call or a candy-gram.

[purplepoe]

If by "coaches" you mean only two coaches (Petrino and Saban) then yes, I agree. I prefer to look at their reputation along with what they say. Combine the two and there is no way in hell Cowher comes back at all, let alone for us as HC.

Houston, you do remember when Marty Schottenheimer said he'd NEVER (that's even more definitive than what Cowher has said) work for Dannyboy Snyder?

And then a year later he was on the sidelines for the Skins.

PP

[HoustonRaven]

Houston, you do remember when Marty Schottenheimer said he'd NEVER (that's even more definitive than what Cowher has said) work for Dannyboy Snyder?

And then a year later he was on the sidelines for the Skins.

PP

Now I do .... hahahaha

As I stated in a previous post to you, should Danny Boy or Bisciotti show up with a sack of cash, I just dont see it.

I cant get your Del Rio post out of my head. I got my copies of the 2000 playoff run and seeing Del Rio on the sideline made me all happy inside.

[Mwjergs]

Nice article today on Yahoo. It pertains to the Skins but of course it applies to the Ravens as well. Good points all around.
Why are we so interested in retread coaches?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlxjCHmkp_AkKPEWosQ.vwVDubYF?slug=jc-gibbs010808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[HoustonRaven]

James Brown from the CBS pre-game show was just on Don & Mike. He stated Cowher, as recently as yesterday, that he made a promise to his daughter in high school he would not coach next season.

[Rayvens52]

James Brown from the CBS pre-game show was just on Don & Mike. He stated Cowher, as recently as yesterday, that he made a promise to his daughter in high school he would not coach next season.


I agree with you that I don't think he will be coming to baltimore this offseason, but you have got stop taking what these guys say to heart. They all will say one thing and then do another. If you think for one minute a team is willing to pony up $7.5m that he would not coach next season you are dead wrong. I'm just saying how many coaches have we heard say one thing and then do another including Cowher himself, he said he was going to coach Pitt again and then stepped down because they didn't pay him, it is all about the money.

[HoustonRaven]

I agree with you that I don't think he will be coming to baltimore this offseason, but you have got stop taking what these guys say to heart.

I dont. I look at what they say AND their reputations. Cowher said he WANTED to come back, not that he was indeed coming back. It's not his faiult he didnt get the money he wanted.


They all will say one thing and then do another.

By 'all', are you refering to three (Petrino, Saban and your loose example of Cowher last year)? Tow to three coaches do something different form their word and all of a sudden they are all liars?


If you think for one minute a team is willing to pony up $7.5m that he would not coach next season you are dead wrong. I'm just saying how many coaches have we heard say one thing and then do another including Cowher himself, he said he was going to coach Pitt again and then stepped down because they didn't pay him, it is all about the money.

When he has said a dozen times or so AND hasnt uttered one word to any of the teams looking for a coach, yes I do think for one minute he isnt coming back to ANY team next year. He made a promise to his kids, something the other flip-flop coaches didnt do. Carolina will be looking for a coach next year most likely -- that's his perfect destination since he's a devout family man.

Snyder DOES have the cash. Bisciotti DOES have the cash. Yet not one conversation has occured and it's been almost 2 weeks (for the Ravens) in their search.

[Rxdoxx]

This is exactly what I said earlier in this thread (or maybe in a related thread) -- if it's not a favor to Marty, then I don't know why they're doing it.


I can give you one more plausible reason...
Maybe they have Marty on their short list, and since he doesn't want an interview until the 2nd round.. then it can make perfect sense to check out his son, assuming that his son would be one of Marty's coaching staff hires.
So before Marty is brought in, you already have a very fresh perspective on who he'd bring with him and be able to factor that into the decision process.

[HoustonRaven]

So now ESPN and The Setting Sun are both reporting that Caldwell is being considered to take over for Dungy, who MIGHT be considering retirement.

IF that's true, and you believe Bisciotti when he says he wants a 20 year head coach, the safe money now is on someone young. Add into the mix there has been zero talk out of 1 Winning Drive for over 5 days now, it's safe to also say the next coach is young AND in the playoff hunt.

Garret or McDaniels.

But then again, Im guessing like everyone else. :)

[UKRavenStockers]

So now ESPN and The Setting Sun are both reporting that Caldwell is being considered to take over for Dungy, who MIGHT be considering retirement.

IF that's true, and you believe Bisciotti when he says he wants a 20 year head coach, the safe money now is on someone young. Add into the mix there has been zero talk out of 1 Winning Drive for over 5 days now, it's safe to also say the next coach is young AND in the playoff hunt.

Garret or McDaniels.

But then again, Im guessing like everyone else. :)

Refused to speak to/interview with anyone about a head coaching vacancy this off-season.

[ravenwoman]

My money is on Jason Garrett. Bruce Cunningham and Aaron Wilson both think he is the front runner at this point. Don't be surprised that if Dallas loses this weekend, the Ravens swoop in (like Ravens do) and snatch Jason Garrett in their claws. It just seems awful coincidental that no interviews have taken place since Wednesday of this week. I think they have made the decision and they are just waiting for Dallas's season to end. If Dallas wins, then they may continue to interview, just to cover all bases, but I am hoping New York wins just for the sake of ending this Jason Garrett saga.

Josh McDaniels isn't even interviewing. Papa Bill won't let him.

[HoustonRaven]

Kudos to Rick Maese of the Sun .... yet another reporter with far more talent than Preston. His latest article is spot-on. I especially like this quote while we wait for Billick's replacement.

"Guys like Andy MacPhail, Peter Angelos, Ozzie Newsome and Steve Bisciotti shoulder the blame because they're using their own wristwatch to tell time, not ours. In fact, it's the rest of us who are most culpable, those of us who rush to share the news and those who rush to consume it.

Mid-January is the time to refine and tweak those New Year's resolutions - or throw them out entirely and subscribe to brand-new ones. Here's one for the sports fan and the sports media alike: Let's practice more patience."

That last sentance is very refreshing coming from a media type. Nice to see he isnt affraid to call out his own.

[purplepoe]

Kudos to Rick Maese of the Sun .... yet another reporter with far more talent than Preston. His latest article is spot-on. I especially like this quote while we wait for Billick's replacement.

"Guys like Andy MacPhail, Peter Angelos, Ozzie Newsome and Steve Bisciotti shoulder the blame because they're using their own wristwatch to tell time, not ours. In fact, it's the rest of us who are most culpable, those of us who rush to share the news and those who rush to consume it.

Mid-January is the time to refine and tweak those New Year's resolutions - or throw them out entirely and subscribe to brand-new ones. Here's one for the sports fan and the sports media alike: Let's practice more patience."

That last sentance is very refreshing coming from a media type. Nice to see he isnt affraid to call out his own.

Where is all this impatience you keep referring to?

I've seen numerous posts from you and others telling people to chill out and be patient yet I haven't seen where anyone is being impatient.

PP

[RavenScallywag]

I think 60% of the fans are mainly panicking because of the interviewees (or those who have not been interviewed). It seems like we're bringing in some strange candidates (Harbaugh, B. Schottenheimer), while we skip out on well qualified candidates (like Schwartz, Russ Grimm, even Marty to some extent, though the story on the Sun clarifies this a bit and gives us hope). That's the problems I have...

but I have seen or heard some people saying things like "Why has all activity stopped?" and connected this with "We don't know what we're doing", which seems to turn their rationale to "we're taking too long". I also saw several people say, when Gibbs stepped down, "we need to hire someone quick before they steal our candidates". I also applaud Rick for his comments, but that doesn't mean I'm 100% satisfied with our search. I think we need to bring in Schwartz and Marty (I have a feeling something is up with Russ Grimm, no one else has contacted him for interviews), then declare our first phase closed and "deliberate" until the SB (since I'm assuming we want to bring Caldwell or Garrett in for second interviews).

[Rayvens52]

Where is all this impatience you keep referring to?

I've seen numerous posts from you and others telling people to chill out and be patient yet I haven't seen where anyone is being impatient.

PP

This whole thread is in regards to being impatient. Just because there is not an interview set up every day each week does not mean nothing is being done. I would be blown away if we hired a coach before the super bowl. This needs to be well thought out, we do not need to act like snyder and hire the first guy we interview.

[purplepoe]

This whole thread is in regards to being impatient. Just because there is not an interview set up every day each week does not mean nothing is being done. I would be blown away if we hired a coach before the super bowl. This needs to be well thought out, we do not need to act like snyder and hire the first guy we interview.

No it's not. It's about discussing the possible replacement. What are you reading that leads to you say there is some major impatience going on?

Again, most of what I read is in regards to the candidates that have been interviewed and the possible candidates to be interviewed down the line.

It wouldn't make sense to hire anyone before the playoffs are over seeing as many potential candidates will be off limits until then.

It's stuff like bringing in Brian Schottenheimer that has some people scratching their heads.

Not the fact that we don't have a HC yet.

PP

[flraven]

This whole thread is in regards to being impatient. Just because there is not an interview set up every day each week does not mean nothing is being done. I would be blown away if we hired a coach before the super bowl. This needs to be well thought out, we do not need to act like snyder and hire the first guy we interview.

Like when the Modell gang hired billick, they did a lot of background checks and other things to see what the candidates are really like. so chill folks, the right guy will surface soon.

Now that the irsays are out, perhaps this caldwell guy gets a longer look?

[purplepoe]

Now that the irsays are out, perhaps this caldwell guy gets a longer look?

All depends on what Dungy does.

Reports in Indy say it's all but done that Caldwell gets that job if Dungy steps down.

Either way I don't think he's a top candidate for us.

PP

[Rayvens52]

No it's not. It's about discussing the possible replacement. What are you reading that leads to you say there is some major impatience going on?

Again, most of what I read is in regards to the candidates that have been interviewed and the possible candidates to be interviewed down the line.

It wouldn't make sense to hire anyone before the playoffs are over seeing as many potential candidates will be off limits until then.

It's stuff like bringing in Brian Schottenheimer that has some people scratching their heads.

Not the fact that we don't have a HC yet.

PP

My fault I thought I was in the Have all things ceased thread, but i stand by what I said here for that thread.

[purplepoe]

My fault I thought I was in the Have all things ceased thread, but i stand by what I said here for that thread.

I thought that might be the case.

But even so, I just don't see too much panic or impatience.

More head scratching and uneasiness.

PP

[RavenScallywag]

Story in the Sun about Garrett becoming available...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens0113,0,4741630.story

What worries me most, is that our "next best candidate"...BRIAN SCHOTTENHEIMER????? :grbac:

[HoustonRaven]

From the Dallas Morning News ....

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/sparano_garrett_address_openings.html

Also, the local sports dudes here in Houston are saying (and I am paraphrasing) "Garret will most likely be the next head coach of the Ravens"

[RavenScallywag]

I was a little suprised...I went on the Dallas Scout.com board last night, and most fans are seeming to want Wade Phillips back and actually are SCARED to have Garrett become HC there.

[HoustonRaven]

Jerry Jones is quoted in the Dallas Morning News that Wade Phillips will be the coach of the Cowboys (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/jtaylor/stories/011408dnspotaylor.2e93f31.html).

Now, Jerry Jones has never been accused of always keeping his word, so Im taking this a grain of salt. However, things are still looking good for any Garret backers out there.

[Dginzu]

If Cowher is going to stay retired until his last daughter graduates, and Caldwell is the heir apparent in Indy.. I think it looks more likely that we may get the OC from Dallas....

[RavenScallywag]

I think if Jerry Jones was going to make his move, he'd be doing it now. Saying that Phillips is still the coach makes me about 90% sure he's going to let Garrett go if he gets a HC gig.

[HoustonRaven]

Looks like Garret is the target ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3196509

[highwater]

Jerry Jones is quoted in the Dallas Morning News that Wade Phillips will be the coach of the Cowboys (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/jtaylor/stories/011408dnspotaylor.2e93f31.html).

Steve Bisciotti also assured Brian Billick that he was coming back next year, and then woke up one morning and had a "gut feeling" and changed his mind. Just like that.

So of course they can change their minds at the drop of a hat. However, I actually do believe that Jones will bring back Phillips, and I still think that Garrett will be our guy, unless Bisciotti changes course and brings in an older coach, aka Marty.

I would actually be happy with either of those guys, but if they bring in one of these other stiffs, like Marty's son, I will be very disappointed.

[RavenScallywag]

There's a bit of difference between something Bisciotti said IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON and something Jerry Jones said after their season was over. Steve said that to make sure the team didn't fall apart at the end. Besides, it's very rare for an owner to say one thing, then turn around within a few days and immediatley reverse their decision. Few weeks or a month, ok.

[HoustonRaven]

There's a bit of difference between something Bisciotti said IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON and something Jerry Jones said after their season was over. Steve said that to make sure the team didn't fall apart at the end. Besides, it's very rare for an owner to say one thing, then turn around within a few days and immediatley reverse their decision. Few weeks or a month, ok.

Agreed.

I have to think Garret is the guy now. I would not be surprised if we wake up tomorrow and find out we have Garret on board.