MAC 3-0 when the defense allows 20 or more

[crazyraven]

I'm amazed. Even without Ray Lewis on the field we got this done. MCNAIR is a F*&^ing warrior. The Offense has simply woken up under his leadership. They are finally contributing to the team where in the past they simply did not. In the past if a team put up 20 or more points we could count on a loss. Now a days this is simply not the case.

I'm really loving these 4th quarter victories? How many do we have now? 3?

God Damn we are 7-2, a first for franchise history. Mcnair has done so much in so short amount of time.

No need to shout or complain at each other any more about the qb. Mcniar is here and we should all feel safe. We're all ravens fans and right now Life is good :thumbup:

[Hook]

MCNAIR is a F*&^ing warrior. The Offense has simply woken up under his leadership. They are finally contributing to the team where in the past they simply did not. In the past if a team put up 20 or more points we could count on a loss. Now a days this is simply not the case

I didnt for a minute waver.
I knew the ravens would provail.
Mcnair has that something special about him
Something that just makes you feel like we can win
No MATTER WHAT.
Maybe its that million dollar Smile

As for this 20 point thing
We are actually 3-1
Because Mcnair did start that game against the panthers
Officially you charge the entire game to him
Even though he only played a few minutes in the game.


God Damn we are 7-2, a first for franchise history. Mcnair has done so much in so short amount of time.

Unbelievable.
That's All I can say about this.
You are right.
In a short amount of time
we have been able to do what we have never done before.
7-2, wow 7-2


We're all ravens fans and right now Life is good
All Ravens fans are loving life right now
and your right Life is good.

[FadeToBlack]

Crazyraven, that's a crazy stat.

I said it after the game on RN2, but I'll say it again - the difference between this year's team and the team of the last 2 years is the quarterback. Bottom line, we LOSE that same game last season if it unfolded the exact same way.

Yeah, Billick has made an impact with the playcalling. But Billick can't go out there and execute and make these clutch plays to win.

[crazyraven]

Crazyraven, that's a crazy stat.
It is a crazy stat and the only reason why its crazy is that it displays the difference between a good qb and a bad one. Darb had showcased that Boller and wright was just as good when the defense held teams to under 15 points, and he was right, Mcnair has been able to win in the same fashion. However when the defense is not there and we needed points, no other qb in the past was able to do the same. Admittly I soured on Boller during the Bengals game of 2004 when i realized Boller cant score points when the defense fails. Over Bollers career when the defense fails he has only 2 wins. It is comforting to know that we are 3-0 in those situations now.

What's even better is that we are now winning on the road. A compentant qb was all we ever asked for. Now that we have one things are smooth.


As for this 20 point thing
We are actually 3-1
Because Mcnair did start that game against the panthers
Officially you charge the entire game to him

True that Hook. Mac only played a few minutes. Had Boller never been part of that game, I truly believe that we win and the record is 4-0.

I truly wanted to discuss the success of Mcnair but nobody is willing to check in and say hello. What's up? Where are those who opposed Mcnair so vigously before? Does Mcnair need to fall on his face for a party to take place up in here? :bag:

[Art-Florida]

[quote=FadeToBlack;18213]Crazyraven, that's a crazy stat.

I said it after the game on RN2, but I'll say it again - the difference between this year's team and the team of the last 2 years is the quarterback. Bottom line, we LOSE that same game last season if it unfolded the exact same way.
/quote]
I am still unable to locate a store that sells those reverse crystal balls that tells you what WOULD have happened in a certain situation. It must be amazing to have one.

[darb72]

Be nice Art.

Remeber that for these... people... their opinions are facts.

[highwater]

I am still unable to locate a store that sells those reverse crystal balls that tells you what WOULD have happened in a certain situation. It must be amazing to have one.

Well, you know who to ask to find one of those amazing crystal balls. They always show up in these threads.

And Hook, you've been told before, but I guess it requires yet another mention -- lay off the return key, please. Your commentary is not exactly poetry, so stop making it look like poetry.

[StingerNLG]

My god. I thought for a day that this thread would quickly die in obscurity. And yet you guys actually engaged....................

[bassgtrst]

highwater,

Funny you should say that because I was looking for some kind of rhyming scheme or rythm in his post. :grbac:

[crazyraven]

Hook, I dont know what the aim is with the Return key but it seems to be bothering a lot of these guys. Especially HW. Keep up the good work.


I am still unable to locate a store that sells those reverse crystal balls that tells you what WOULD have happened in a certain situation. It must be amazing to have one.

Some people were using it at the beginning of the season when mcnair was struggling. Many people said that we would win with another qb. In fact there is a thread dedicated to the subject : Could kyle boller carry us to the playoffs .

Here is what Floridaart's crystal ball said

Without all the extranneous bullshit, in a word - yes.

Darb wrote this gem thinking that the defense would hold up for an entire season keeping teams under 15 points week in and week out.

Boller moved the ball better than McNair has and McNair is 4-1 in games he's completed. If the defense continues to play the way they did the first 5 weeks of the season I think we could make the play-offs with anybody under center.


Here is what stingers crystal ball said

Unless McNair steps up, we don't make the playoffs reguardless of WHO is behind center.

MR T has one too


Yes. Boller is playing with confidence. He can stretch the defenses to open it up for Jamal. That isn't happening under Mcnair. I don't see us making the playoffs with McNair unless there's a major turnaround in his passing. He has to stop regressing.

HIGHWATER Ran his mouth

To get back to the original topic, yes, I do believe we could make the playoffs with Boller as the starting QB. He played well against Carolina and reintroduced the deep throw to the offense, which has been lacking with McNair. I don't buy the "he doesn't have the instincts" argument -- I think he can get the job done. What we need, however, is a running game.



This has nothing to do with crystal balls but I find it funny nonetheless

Greg is right, McNair is dinking & dunking, Boller stretches the field.

Maybe you guys got a bad crystal balls or better yet maybe you guys can lay that dumb "reverse crystal ball' crap to rest.

[darb72]

Oh goody, CR is trying to be amusing.

Let's give it a look shall we?

Now the first post in the thread CR quoted said;

If Kyle Boller was forced to start the rest of the season as QB do you think he could carry this team to the playoffs after his 3 TD performance when McNair went down last game ?

"IF Kyle Boller.... do you think...."

The following responses were not stated as fact. The first post asked for our opinion. None of those quotes were stated as facts.

Of course, CR actually thinks this is a prediction;

Darb wrote this gem thinking that the defense would hold up for an entire season keeping teams under 15 points week in and week out.

Boller moved the ball better than McNair has and McNair is 4-1 in games he's completed. If the defense continues to play the way they did the first 5 weeks of the season I think we could make the play-offs with anybody under center.

That's not a prediction. That's common sense. If the defense holds teams under 15 points we tend to win.

The difference between that thread and this one is really quite simple. That was a thread that asked for opinions and we gave them.

FadeToBlack said; "Bottom line, we LOSE that same game last season if it unfolded the exact same way."

There is no way he could prove this. Yet in the fashion of you... people... he states his opinion as fact. That is why Art mocked him.

Seriously, why don't you actually try having an intelligent thought before you jump on people?


Maybe you guys got a bad crystal balls or better yet maybe you guys can lay that dumb "reverse crystal ball' crap to rest.
Maybe you should figure out this whole English language thing before you try calling folks out.

[crazyraven]

Fact is you were all sitting around predicting if Boller could get the Ravens to the playoffs even though Boller wasn't starting. That is called predicting or looking into a crystal ball. Regardless of whether you were asked or not you..people.. gave a glimpse of what the future could be. Most of it was dead wrong but you...people...did it anyway. All I'm saying is just don't be pissed when other people do it.

So Whatever Darb. It really doesnt matter because in your mind you think your right. So its pointless to continue with this. Mcnair has a great day and all you guys can do is bash.

With that his place has become a bore and very clickish. The novelty has worn off for me. I'll be checking in from time to time.

Enjoy yourselves. :patriot:

[darb72]

No we weren't predicting anything. The guy asked if we THOUGHT Boller could lead this team to the play-offs. Some of us THINK he can.

FTB said that we would have lost that game last year. He did not say he THOUGHT we would have lost.


I'll be checking in from time to time.
Don't bother. Crawl under your rock and stay there.

[FadeToBlack]

Christ, is semantics the best you can do? :rolling:

"He didn't say he THOUGHT they wouldn't win, he said they WOULDN'T win, yadda yadda."

Whatever.

The people without their heads jammed up their ass can see it black and white. For those who don't get it, it's just a bunch of gray. I liken it to a person with poor eyesight trying to read the newspaper. If you don't have the vision, those letters and that white paper will mix together and you won't be able to interpret the truth. That's the problem you guys have, you can't see what's plainly sitting right in front of you, forget these "crystal balls." Invest in a pair of glasses.

[crazyraven]

Don't bother. Crawl under your rock and stay there.
Who said I'm crawling under a rock. The rest of the week I will be in DC so I wont be able to check in as much. I won't take a 6 month hiatus like some of you...people...did when Mcnair was acquired. :thumbdown:

[darb72]

Christ, is semantics the best you can do
No, but posting false facts seems to be about the limit for you... people...

Talk to your boy. He's the one who can't understand plain English.


Who said I'm crawling under a rock. The rest of the week I will be in DC so I wont be able to check in as much. I won't take a 6 month hiatus like some of you...people...did when Mcnair was acquired.
Who took a six month hiatus when we traded for McNair?

Now you've proven to be a liar in the past, so it's really no surprise that you're yet again making stuff up.

[highwater]

Who took a six month hiatus when we traded for McNair?

LOL, I was wondering about that myself. Crazy has quite an imagination.

[RavenDavey]

My god. I thought for a day that this thread would quickly die in obscurity. And yet you guys actually engaged....................

I thought it wouldn't get a response at all!!:179421:

[RavenDavey]

It is a crazy stat and the only reason why its crazy is that it displays the difference between a good qb and a bad one. Darb had showcased that Boller and wright was just as good when the defense held teams to under 15 points, and he was right, Mcnair has been able to win in the same fashion. However when the defense is not there and we needed points, no other qb in the past was able to do the same. Admittly I soured on Boller during the Bengals game of 2004 when i realized Boller cant score points when the defense fails. Over Bollers career when the defense fails he has only 2 wins. It is comforting to know that we are 3-0 in those situations now.

What's even better is that we are now winning on the road. A compentant qb was all we ever asked for. Now that we have one things are smooth.



True that Hook. Mac only played a few minutes. Had Boller never been part of that game, I truly believe that we win and the record is 4-0.

I truly wanted to discuss the success of Mcnair but nobody is willing to check in and say hello. What's up? Where are those who opposed Mcnair so vigously before? Does Mcnair need to fall on his face for a party to take place up in here? :bag:

I guess Thursday's game in Cinn changes this thread.......

[Mista T]

I truly wanted to discuss the success of Mcnair but nobody is willing to check in and say hello. What's up? Where are those who opposed Mcnair so vigously before?

I got tired of the personal insults & hostility after OldFan resurrected himself under yet a another pseudonym and trashed yet another discussion board.

As to McNair's "success": he's just the 14th rated QB in the NFL. That's about as average as you can get. Give him singular credit for one win (Titans) and he's the goat for one loss (Cincy). Every other game, his play did not make a difference over what any other average NFL QB should have done. (I can't credit him for "success" with the comebacks over Cleveland and San Diego because his 3+ quarters of mediocre play had us trailing to begin with).

So, my opinion is still the same: I do believe that Boller would have performed at the average level this season, based on his last 4 games .... for no real improvement over what we have sitting on the bench, we coughed up $33 million for a weak-armed, old, average QB, and find ourselves in a cap bind - on the verge of potentially losing another player who is more important to the team's success: Adalius Thomas.




Does Mcnair need to fall on his face for a party to take place up in here? :bag:

Why would any Ravens fans want the QB to fall flat on his face? We should all want a playoff run leading to Miami on Feb 4th, regardless of any single player in any position.

[crazyraven]

I got tired of the personal insults & hostility after OldFan resurrected himself under yet a another pseudonym and trashed yet another discussion board

Well since you bring it up, I got tired of the personal Attacks from a certain poster who has a history of threatening so ya I know what your saying. I've removed myself from here as well. Come to think of it the other pseudonym never threaten anyone to best of my knowledge. So your plight couldnt of been that bad.
anyhoo rules around here really dont matter much.... but hot damn, talk about boller too much and you'll get banned, Threaten a guy and its no biggie.

Thats acient history and I'll move on.


As to McNair's "success": he's just the 14th rated QB in the NFL.
he's just the 14th rank passer? Do you hear yourself, the other guy has never even sniffed 20 and has always been the worst in the league never mind the 14th. I'll take Macs success considering the defense and the marginal players we have on offense.


So, my opinion is still the same: I do believe that Boller would have performed at the average level this season, based on his last 4 games
Based on his last 4 games? if you're talking about the denver, GB, Viking and Browns game those are the games that probably lost him his job. I fail to see any consistancy in those games to make anyone trust him to post average play. How can anyone base this current 12 game stretch to 4 meaningless games from a team who had but 4 wins going into that 4 game stretch. Sorry but I laugh at those games last year because they are a farce.


Why would any Ravens fans want the QB to fall flat on his face? We should all want a playoff run leading to Miami on Feb 4th, regardless of any single player in any position

Dont know? but it seems thats when this board is lively, Heck take a look at Ravensdaveys post basically a month later--oh and yours too.

[StingerNLG]

I can't believe this thread is even still going.


I truly wanted to discuss the success of Mcnair but nobody is willing to check in and say hello.

No he doesn't. He wants to come in and talk about how much better McNair is than Kyle Boller, nothing more. Leopards never change their spots.

[crazyraven]

I can't believe this thread is even still going.

I think we are in agreement.

Proofs in the pudding, isn't it though. Its been a month and we were winning with Mcnair. Nobody posted anything in here. Maybe some people were afraid because they might get threatened...who knows. In my estimation everyone loved Mcnair when we were 9-2. He had one bad game and people like you are coming out of the wood work.


No he doesn't. He wants to come in and talk about how much better McNair is than Kyle Boller, nothing more. Leopards never change their spots.

That's your opinion about me, and that's fine but keep it to yourself. If you want to discuss football then go ahead just keep my name out of your mouth. Try voicing your opinions about the QB or football and stop trying to inject your feeling about me to the board. It's quite droll.

Thanks

[darb72]

Well since you bring it up, I got tired of the personal Attacks from a certain poster who has a history of threatening so ya I know what your saying

I'm getting tired of CR playing the innocent victim of the terrible Darb72.

As for personal attacks, I seem to remember CR calling me "fatboy" on this very forum. Of course in his world that doesn't count as an insult.

Now for the "threats".

CrazyRaven said that it is alright for someone to threaten to rape my wife. So yeah I've threatened him.

That's the kind of person CR is. He'll say something like that and then act all innocent when someone comes back at him. He's even said that if we met he'd do his best to tick me off if there were a lot of people around so he could sit back and laugh at me if I tried anything.

[crazyraven]

As for personal attacks, I seem to remember CR calling me "fatboy" on this very forum. Of course in his world that doesn't count as an insult.

I called you a fatboy because I thought you like being called that. Just trying to warm up to you, thats all. The only reason why I even called you that is because you have a thread that refers to you as "fatty-philes" and "The original Squishy one". You said you didnt like it so I apologied and said I wouldnt do it any more.


CrazyRaven said that it is alright for someone to threaten to rape my wife. So yeah I've threatened him.
Actually you threatened me because I called you a fatboy. To all: PM me and I will show you the threats and what a fucking lair this guy is. It has nothing to do with his wife.

As for comments about his wife, Let me be clear, and I never made them. Thats the truth. He PM me 3 years ago that he had an arguement with BR and WSO and claimed that they said that. He was looking for sympathy from me and I said if they ever said anything like that that darb brought on to himself. And If it was said it was probably because he said that he was going to Kill one of their family members (Which I know for a fact that he did) and ever since then I've dispised him. I had no opinion about it because he was never able to prove that it was said. I was minding my business and he dragged me into it by PMing me first. Also I have never ever PM'd him first unless it was to say Merry Christmas and that the MFing truth.

And for those poster who have been around for a while know that darb and I have had dialog back and forth , and now he is bringing up this shit about his wife that someone else said. Its a lie and I never said it. I ask for proof . Prove that I said that about your wife or shut the fuck up. Again to all: ask me and I can show proof that he threatened me. Can he do the same?



He's even said that if we met he'd do his best to tick me off if there were a lot of people around so he could sit back and laugh at me if I tried anything.
I did say that...thats true... but after darb said that if I ever met him he'd let everyone know that he didnt like me by the tone of his voice and that if I came any where near him for too long of a time he would hurt me. I said I would do my best to try to make things right between the two of us but if he still choose to act in such a way That is when i said I would try to tick him off.

I tried getting this straighten out behind the scences and it didnt work. Now he is has become enbolden to where he admits to threating me out in the open and now is lying about something I never said.

[Mobtown]

http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/0724NoDrama.jpg


You both sound like a couple of chicks.

[darb72]

Actually you threatened me because I called you a fatboy. To all: PM me and I will show you the threats and what a fucking lair this guy is. It has nothing to do with his wife.
I told you to come down and call me fatboy to my face. That's not a threat, that's me seeing what kind of POS you really are. Of course considering that you're also a rapist....

Let me be clear, and I never made them. Thats the truth. He PM me 3 years ago that he had an arguement with BR and WSO and claimed that they said that. He was looking for sympathy from me and I said if they ever said anything like that that darb brought on to himself. And If it was said it was probably because he said that he was going to Kill one of their family members (Which I know for a fact that he did) and ever since then I've dispised him
Bull. I told BR that I hoped someone killed his entire family AFTER he threatened my wife. Crazy found out what I said and started yet another in a long line of "let's ban Darb" campaigns. I PMed him because I thought (this is before I figured out what kind of person he really is) that he could at least understand why I said that and drop it. By this time BR and I had already apologized to each other. CRs exact words were; "He was probably joking around. Even if he wasn't you deserve it."


I ask for proof . Prove that I said that about your wife or shut the fuck up. Again to all: ask me and I can show proof that he threatened me. Can he do the same?
Proof? Coming from you? I can prove on this forum where you've lied at least twice and if you want to go PMs where I can prove you lied we can do that too.

Let's give it a whirl shall we?


but after darb said that if I ever met him he'd let everyone know that he didnt like me by the tone of his voice and that if I came any where near him for too long of a time he would hurt me.
Actually I said if we met you'd get a curt nod before I walked away. You said you'd start messing with me.