Gibbs resigns

[Dade]

Now don't think for a second I want Gibbs here in BMore but this new opening might take some potential coaches away from the Ravens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3186165

[pyite32]

Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if Danny Boy will throw enough money at Cowher to bring him out of retirement.

[Losac]

I wonder if Marty Schottenheimer is interested. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Mista T]

Snyder and Bisciotti in a bidding war for Cowher?:grbac:

[RavenScallywag]

I'm thinking they'll promote Al Saunders or Gregg Williams...They could throw their hat into the HC search but honestly, with Dan Snyder as your owner, how could we be a worse pick than them, other than Snyder might be willing to throw money at the situation.

If Marty goes there, I will die laughing.

[ravenjoe]

Maybe we can get Joe Gibbs!?

[RavenScallywag]

Maybe we can get Joe Gibbs!?

hahaha, you are SOOOO funnny! No! I would never in a million years take Gibbs. Sure, it'd land a blow with the Redskins fans, but I think his legacy in his second stint was overhyped. He had a losing record, and both seasons where he made the playoffs, he had to make his team win out 4-5 games at the end to limp in. Given the coaching staff they had (Al Saunders was "Asst Head Coach - Offense" and Gregg Williams was "Asst Head Coach - Defense", in addition to having a separate Offensive Coordinator and Defensive Coordinator), I think Gibbs was out there to just kind've motivate players and make decisions about time clock management and things like that. I think Al and Gregg were the ones really controlling the team from the offensive and defensive standpoints.

[ravenwoman]

He is still going to be a "Special Assistant" to Dan Snyder, whatever that means.

I think the Ravens need to step up their interview process and get one of the good candidates, before it is too late. Other teams may be contemplating firing their coaches; you never know.

Question: If you had to guess, when do you think the Ravens will announce a new coach? What is the latest possible date? I would think someone would be in place by Feb. 15th.

[RavenScallywag]

According to the KMS sports guy, the Ravens are going to look at 8-10 candidates in the "first round", which would end with our current HC interviews. Then we'll file down a list for second interviews. I think we let the process take as long as until after the SB. We want to make the right decision, not a fast one. I'd agree with early to mid February, unless one of the current interviewees knocks our socks off right off the bat.

Also, I would guess Gibbs is basically a consultant to help find a new HC and make personell decisions. David Modell remained on as a consultant after Biscotti took ownership of the team, think of it in a similar fashion, except the job duties are focused more towards coaching/player management than team ownership and administration.

[Rochardrik]

Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if Danny Boy will throw enough money at Cowher to bring him out of retirement.

I hope he does... then I can keep hating him... almost as much as when he was in inbred! And I won't have to find a new team to root for, and won't lose one to excoriate!



JUST SAY NO TO SPITTLE!!!!!!!!!!

[jonboy79]

He is still going to be a "Special Assistant" to Dan Snyder, whatever that means.

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THat's the official title for his retirement plan. Because realistically, the guy can't stay away, but it's time too. That keeps him from needing too much control, while providing Danny Boy with a sounding board, buddy to remenice abotu old times....

Unfortunately, we no longer have the clear top job opening.

[HoustonRaven]

Unfortunately, we no longer have the clear top job opening.

I totally disagree.

Record aside, we have the better talent of the two teams. I used to think we had QB headaches until you take a look at Jason "Mr. INT" Campbell and the fossell back up whos name escapes me right now. Portis is on the down swing of his career and I would not be surprised if he hangs it up soon. Our defense is far superior and I would rather have our DB's over the Skins every day of the week. Skins have us on O Line (slightly) and receivers.

Bisciotti has as deep pockets as Snyder, minus the micro-managing Snyder is famous for.

[Dade]

I totally disagree.

Record aside, we have the better talent of the two teams. I used to think we had QB headaches until you take a look at Jason "Mr. INT" Campbell and the fossell back up whos name escapes me right now. Portis is on the down swing of his career and I would not be surprised if he hangs it up soon. Our defense is far superior and I would rather have our DB's over the Skins every day of the week. Skins have us on O Line (slightly) and receivers.

Bisciotti has as deep pockets as Snyder, minus the micro-managing Snyder is famous for.


Yeah why does everyone think Jason Campbell is good. This year he had 12 TD vs 11 INT only 2,700 yrds and a rating of 77.6.

[Dade]

I would think someone would be in place by Feb. 15th.

That seems to the best time to name th new HC. Better to wait till after the Super Bowl and not too long before the draft.

[Mista T]

I wonder if Danny Snyder will give Billick a look? I'm sure that Billick would have to consider it, given the roots he has established in Maryland, his house, his boat, etc....


I totally disagree.

Record aside, we have the better talent of the two teams. I used to think we had QB headaches until you take a look at Jason "Mr. INT" Campbell and the fossell back up whos name escapes me right now.

The Ravens have better defensive talent, certainly. But the Landover team has a better offense. Their OL and Santana Moss especially.

I would take Campbell over any QB on our roster -- in a heartbeat. And Collins over either of our backups. Brunell is finished, but so is McNair.

[RavenScallywag]

Even the Redskins fans will tell you, Campbell seems to be great...until the 4th quarter, when he needs to get a win. That's when he throws his knowledge out the window and throws the ball to the other team. He's young, he'll be pretty good, but he's no elite QB or anything. Add onto that his backups are both well past their prime (Brunell is a likely retirement this year, Collins SHOULD retire, but might try to go out and start again or something)....hell, the whole OFFENSE is getting on in years...In the past 4 years, only two draft picks (Cooley and Campbell) have gone on to start. The team does pick up a lot of UDFAs, but they prefer building their team through FA, spending a ton of money to get players who will be good for 3-4 years, then ship off.

I just don't see how a coach will look at that and say "Wow, I'm there!" It's a messy situation and with Snyder as the owner, and Gibbs still likely making some personell calls, it will stay messy.

[HoustonRaven]

The Ravens have better defensive talent, certainly. But the Landover team has a better offense. Their OL and Santana Moss especially.

Figures you left out that part of quote. I said the very same thing in my original post.


I would take Campbell over any QB on our roster -- in a heartbeat. And Collins over either of our backups. Brunell is finished, but so is McNair.

If you want to go from mediocre to, well, mediocre, your argument is indeed strong. Campbell has a rating no better than our QB's (mid to high 70's) and has only one more TD than INT. I we want to go with a young unproven QB with a lot potential, we already have one of those -- his name is Troy Smith!

[Dade]

I would take Campbell over any QB on our roster -- in a heartbeat.


Cause Campbell is so much better than the QBs we already have. Look at his numbers from this year:
TDS 12 INT 11 YDS 2,700 RTG 77.6

Seems very much in line with Boller's numbers over the years.

He has leadership skills but he cracks too many times under the pressure to win games in the 4th quarter.

[jonboy79]

I totally disagree.

Record aside, we have the better talent of the two teams. I used to think we had QB headaches until you take a look at Jason "Mr. INT" Campbell and the fossell back up whos name escapes me right now. Portis is on the down swing of his career and I would not be surprised if he hangs it up soon. Our defense is far superior and I would rather have our DB's over the Skins every day of the week. Skins have us on O Line (slightly) and receivers.

Bisciotti has as deep pockets as Snyder, minus the micro-managing Snyder is famous for.


Record aside, heck they won 5 more gaems then us, how can you toss that aside.

Yeah the 26 year old geriatric Portis, and his horrible backup Betts...

Campbell is the best QB in MD. Skins have us in OL by a ginormous margin. Snyder is famous for beign able to stuff any team under a salary cap.

[Fanman]

I def. would take Campbell over any QB on our roster right now.

It will be a while before you can make the call on Troy Smith.

FM

[HoustonRaven]

Record aside, heck they won 5 more gaems then us, how can you toss that aside.

Easy. Look at their IR report and then ours.


Yeah the 26 year old geriatric Portis, and his horrible backup Betts...

Portis is in his 6th season (he entered the league when he was 20), two more years then the league average for RB's. He thought about retiring last season because hes banged up. I take McGahee over him every day of the week.

And are you really saying Betts is something special???? :insane:


Campbell is the best QB in MD.

Wow, that's saying something about how bad our QB's are.

[highwater]

Danny-boy loves to hire big names and make a splash, so I'm sure he will make a big play for Cowher. Whether or not Cowher will want to work for him is another matter, but Synder will try.

[RavenScallywag]

one name being brought up by ESPN for the Redskins job that scares me a bit...Rex Ryan.

Honestly, I don't think he'll get the gig here, and I'd like to see him get it. But I don't think I can take the Redskins fans chirping in our ears about stealing one of our own for years to come. I think the Redskins gig is still a stretch, but if it happens, I would not be happy.

[HoustonRaven]

I dont think Rex is a shocker for the Skins job.

I remembered something on my way home tonight. Bisciotti went on and on at the presser about not wanting to have a new coach every 3 to 4 years. Why are we even thinking about someone who is older?

My bet is one of the young candidates now -- Garret in particular.

[flraven]

I dont think Rex is a shocker for the Skins job.

I remembered something on my way home tonight. Bisciotti went on and on at the presser about not wanting to have a new coach every 3 to 4 years. Why are we even thinking about someone who is older?

My bet is one of the young candidates now -- Garret in particular.

Steve Bisciotti was probably trying to drive home the point that they want to pick a winner, and that they don't want to mess this up. Kinda obvious, as every owner wants to do this, but then again, SB is not quite media-savvy yet.
I like Garrett too as one to lead the Ravens.

[jonboy79]

And are you really saying Betts is something special???? :insane:


I think McGahee is the single best RB in MD, btu their top 2 depth chart is near the tops in the league. Betts is a low tier starter/One of the best backups in football. SD, is certainly in a better RB scenario, though I'm not sure of another team that certainly is.

[Dont Know]

I think McGahee is the single best RB in MD, btu their top 2 depth chart is near the tops in the league. Betts is a low tier starter/One of the best backups in football. SD, is certainly in a better RB scenario, though I'm not sure of another team that certainly is.

I would put Jacksonville ahead as well with basically 2 pro bowl caliber RBs.

[HoustonRaven]

I would put Jacksonville ahead as well with basically 2 pro bowl caliber RBs.

:iagree:

And why is Musa Smith not getting props? He had a great last couple of games.

[jonboy79]

I would put Jacksonville ahead as well with basically 2 pro bowl caliber RBs.

Of course, adn I'll add Dallas as well.

[ravens138]

Good Luck to Joe Gibbs he was good for pro football.

[Rochardrik]

Record aside, heck they won 5 more gaems then us, how can you toss that aside.

Yeah the 26 year old geriatric Portis, and his horrible backup Betts...

Campbell is the best QB in MD. Skins have us in OL by a ginormous margin. Snyder is famous for beign able to stuff any team under a salary cap.

Well, you could go cheer for the foreskins, if you think they're so good. In my opinion, the owner is the difference..... Ours is a TON better!!!!

[festivus]

Well, you could go cheer for the foreskins, if you think they're so good. In my opinion, the owner is the difference..... Ours is a TON better!!!!

The kindest thing a sensible HC candidate might say about Bisciotti's treatment of HC's is, 'unknown quantity.' Certainly the handling of the Billick removal would cause me to think twice before coming here as a HC.

[Losac]

Certainly the handling of the Billick removal would cause me to think twice before coming here as a HC.
Why? Billick is getting $10 million more than Bisciotti is contractually obligated to pay him just to sit on his ass. Sign me up if that's the deal.

[RavenScallywag]

The only area where Bisciotti loses face is that he said he'd keep Billick a month before. He's entitled to change his mind. And it's not like he screwed him. And he certainly didn't throw him under the bus.

Frankly, I think Steve handled the whole thing with the utmost class and respect.

[HoustonRaven]

Certainly the handling of the Billick removal would cause me to think twice before coming here as a HC.

Why? Both sides were fine with it, both say they are and will remain friends. Hell, Billick even thought the decision was justified even though he didnt agree with it. True, Bisciotti changed his mind last minute, but that's an owners perogative and part of the game.

I hear the Sun needs a new pot-stirrer. Sounds like you'd be great for the job! ;)

[purplepoe]

Why? Both sides were fine with it, both say they are and will remain friends. Hell, Billick even thought the decision was justified even though he didnt agree with it. True, Bisciotti changed his mind last minute, but that's an owners perogative and part of the game.

I hear the Sun needs a new pot-stirrer. Sounds like you'd be great for the job! ;)

What is with you and the Sun stuff?

It's a rag and I certainly haven't seen them talk about the way it was handled in a negative way. I've one of the voices who was displeased with the way this whole thing went down and I take nothing from the Sun. That paper is an absolute embarrassment.

And if you think both sides were fine with it, that's fine.

You are gonna base this off Billick's press release?

Why didn't he comment when asked to speak as he was leaving the complex.

Why hasn't he spoken at all since the firing?

Brian Billick was absolutely blind sided by this as were just about everyone in the organization.

Is that Bisciotti's right? Yea, no doubt about it.

But let's not pretend that this took everyone by surprise, including Ozzie Newsome.

PP

[purplepoe]

Why? Billick is getting $10 million more than Bisciotti is contractually obligated to pay him just to sit on his ass. Sign me up if that's the deal.

Why?

Because the entire organization was told up until the last Sunday of the season that the coach and the entire staff were coming back (sans Neuheisal).

Seems to me the "anybody but Billick" crowd is willing to ignore some things just as long as Billick was canned.

And as far as the $15 million vs $5 million talk.

From everything I read the report that the team was only on the hook for $5 million guaranteed was completely erroneous.

PP

[HoustonRaven]

What is with you and the Sun stuff?

It's a rag and I certainly haven't seen them talk about the way it was handled in a negative way. I've one of the voices who was displeased with the way this whole thing went down and I take nothing from the Sun. That paper is an absolute embarrassment.

Agreed ... and that's exactly my point. To say there was some funny business behind the scenes is the same kind of pot-stiring and unfounded speculation many on these boards accuses the Sun of doing all the time.


And if you think both sides were fine with it, that's fine.

You are gonna base this off Billick's press release?

Why didn't he comment when asked to speak as he was leaving the complex.

Why hasn't he spoken at all since the firing?

Brian Billick was absolutely blind sided by this as were just about everyone in the organization.

Is that Bisciotti's right? Yea, no doubt about it.

But let's not pretend that this took everyone by surprise, including Ozzie Newsome.

PP

Yes. I take Brian at his word. So what he didnt speak? Im not saying he liked the call. I've been laid off and although I understood the decision, I didnt do cartwheels either. I bowed out graciously and continued a very close friendship with those who decided to make the cuts.

The ONLY people making more of this, outside of WNST and their laughable "sources", are a small few here. Every other report, while granting it was a surprise, have made mention that is was as a smooth firing given the circumstances.

You have issues with the reversal. Fine, I get that and everyone agrees thats a valid concern (Im concerned myself). But you loose a little crediability when you and other haul out your crystal ball and assume the worst based on that sudden reversal.

[purplepoe]

Agreed ... and that's exactly my point. To say there was some funny business behind the scenes is the same kind of pot-stiring and unfounded speculation many on these boards accuses the Sun of doing all the time.



Yes. I take Brian at his word. So what he didnt speak? Im not saying he liked the call. I've been laid off and although I understood the decision, I didnt do cartwheels either. I bowed out graciously and continued a very close friendship with those who decided to make the cuts.

The ONLY people making more of this, outside of WNST and their laughable "sources", are a small few here. Every other report, while granting it was a surprise, have made mention that is was as a smooth firing given the circumstances.

You have issues with the reversal. Fine, I get that and everyone agrees thats a valid concern (Im concerned myself). But you loose a little crediability when you and other haul out your crystal ball and assume the worst based on that sudden reversal.

How am I assuming the worst?

Im very concerned with the way the firing was handled and the subsequent interviews we've seen.

Im fine with being in the small few. Im not some conspiracy theorist guy or anything. I don't think the organization is falling apart or in dire straits. And by the way, almost every person I talk to has an opinion about the firing etc.... and quite a few are in the same boat as myself.

Im just a concerned fan who views this differently than many people on this board.

Im not upset at the pace of anything either. That seems to be a theme that people used and it's far from my concerns.

But I will question the reasoning for bringing in a guy like Brian Schottenheimer. Makes zero sense to me.

PP

[highwater]

The ONLY people making more of this, outside of WNST and their laughable "sources", are a small few here. Every other report, while granting it was a surprise, have made mention that is was as a smooth firing given the circumstances.

"A smooth firing given the circumstances?" :187734:

Call me crazy, but I didn't find this firing "smooth" at all, and I don't know what circumstances you are referring to. If by circumstances you mean that the owner of the team woke up one day and said to himself, "Hey, what the hell, I think I'll fire him after all," then that is a circumstance created by the owner himself, not something forced upon him.

This could all turn out well, if they hire the right guy to replace Billick, but to say that it was a "smooth firing" is crazy.

[Losac]

Why?

Because the entire organization was told up until the last Sunday of the season that the coach and the entire staff were coming back (sans Neuheisal).

Seems to me the "anybody but Billick" crowd is willing to ignore some things just as long as Billick was canned.

And as far as the $15 million vs $5 million talk.

From everything I read the report that the team was only on the hook for $5 million guaranteed was completely erroneous.

PP

Yeah, and Billick still gets to collect $15 mil for doing nothing. Signing him to the 4 year extension was a mistake, but Bisciotti's error that actually benefits the coach should not deter a coach from wanting to sign here.

Let's just say Billick is crying all the way to the bank on this one.

[purplepoe]

Yeah, and Billick still gets to collect $15 mil for doing nothing. Signing him to the 4 year extension was a mistake, but Bisciotti's error that actually benefits the coach should not deter a coach from wanting to sign here.

Let's just say Billick is crying all the way to the bank on this one.

Of course Billick's contract should not and will not deter a coach from signing here.

If I inferred that (I don't know how I could've) I certainly didn't mean to.

Billick isn't crying.

He issued a statement and went on his way.

PP

[highwater]

Let's just say Billick is crying all the way to the bank on this one.

Regardless of what Billick is getting, whether it's $5 million or the full $15 million, explain to me when he has been crying. He hasn't said a word outside of his statement as far as I know, so he hasn't exactly been crying.

He could have, since he was apparently lied to, but he didn't. Get over it.

[Losac]

Regardless of what Billick is getting, whether it's $5 million or the full $15 million, explain to me when he has been crying. He hasn't said a word outside of his statement as far as I know, so he hasn't exactly been crying.

He could have, since he was apparently lied to, but he didn't. Get over it.

It's called sarcasm. You may want to look it up.

Of course Billick isn't upset. He's getting $15 mil for doing absolutely nothing, and now he's in a similar situation as Cowher. Sit on his ass for as long as he wants, get a cushy TV job, and be choosy about teams if he ever wants to coach again.

[AZRAVEN]

I though Billick was only getting 5 mil. Listen to me.. only five mil. I say it like it's chump change or like I'd ever in a lifetime see 5 million dollars. :grbac:

[Losac]

I though Billick was only getting 5 mil. Listen to me.. only five mil. I say it like it's chump change or like I'd ever in a lifetime see 5 million dollars. :grbac:

No, he's getting the full $15 mil. Initial reports were that the final 2 years of Billick's contract were a club option and Bisciotti would not pay them, but it turns out those reports were erroneous and Brian's cashing in big.

[highwater]

Initial reports were that the final 2 years of Billick's contract were a club option and Bisciotti would not pay them, but it turns out those reports were erroneous and Brian's cashing in big.

Unless he gets another coaching job, in which case the Ravens would only have to pay the difference. I obviously don't know the specifics of his contract, but that is standard practice for NFL HC contracts.

And it's not exactly the same situation as Cowher, because the Steelers aren't on the hook for his salary, since he resigned. Billick could take a year off and still get paid. (At least one year -- I've heard so many conflicting reports about whether they are paying him for one year or three years, I don't know which reports are true and at this point don't really care).

[AZRAVEN]

No, he's getting the full $15 mil. Initial reports were that the final 2 years of Billick's contract were a club option and Bisciotti would not pay them, but it turns out those reports were erroneous and Brian's cashing in big.

Well, that's good. I hope he takes the full three years in a network booth. Let Mr Whimsey pay the full deal.

[purplepoe]

Unless he gets another coaching job, in which case the Ravens would only have to pay the difference. I obviously don't know the specifics of his contract, but that is standard practice for NFL HC contracts.

And it's not exactly the same situation as Cowher, because the Steelers aren't on the hook for his salary, since he resigned. Billick could take a year off and still get paid. (At least one year -- I've heard so many conflicting reports about whether they are paying him for one year or three years, I don't know which reports are true and at this point don't really care).

It's most definitely the full $15 million.

The team issued a statement basically to correct the erroneous reports that he was only due $5 million.

PP