McNair is the answer to playoffs [Archive] - Baltimore Ravens Forums and Message Boards

highwater

11-17-2006, 02:45 PM

Even for the QB forum, this is an out-of-left-field post. We ARE behind McNair, that's not an issue. As CY pointed out, the issues with the offense are with the running game. I don't think McNair is the answer to the playoffs, I think we have to balance out the offense a bit, and that means getting the running game going. McNair is fine, and we've got the best receiving corps we've probably ever had, but the running game needs to get going.

Sports Steve

11-17-2006, 02:54 PM

darb72

11-17-2006, 04:25 PM

Many people questioned the stats McNair had been putting up and quite honestly who could blame us?

$33 million for a 68 QB rating really doesn't seem worth it. Now that Billick is calling plays, we can see the type of offensive talent we have. Most posters held the opinion that it really didn't matter who the QB was with the play-book we had. We wanted the QB to suceed, we just realized it wasn't possible with the OCs we had.

RavenDavey

11-17-2006, 06:30 PM

Many people questioned the stats McNair had been putting up and quite honestly who could blame us?

Nicely said! We were all thrilled when we signed him and we are all behind him. Nice to see what our offense is with BB at the helm! Just wish the "genius" of Brian took off when he came from Minn. What a waste of salaries on all the OC failures that came through Baltimore!

crazyraven

11-17-2006, 09:22 PM

Nicely said! We were all thrilled when we signed him and we are all behind him. Nice to see what our offense is with BB at the helm!

I don't think any Raven fan is against Mcnair. But To be fair The production has a lot to do with Mcnair at the helm and not so much BB. BB has had a bunch of below average qbs in the past, so who can blame him if things went wrong. I have to believe that is why he received a free pass last year from SB. Now Maybe Mcnairs numbers did compared to past ravens QBs at the beginning of the season but even when the offense was sputtering Mcnair didn't do anything major to lose games. And you can also point to games like Clev and SD where he led drives to help the ravens win. Yes the defense did its part in those games but in games where they didn't mcair and company have come through which is usually a template for winning organizations. The BB system, even with a lack of QB and offensive Talent, won a super bowl and went to a few Playoff games. Things are now being catered to Mcnairs strength which is something I'm sure BB did for all of the QBs who came through here.

The Offensive players have expressed that Billick seems energized and that he is back to coaching again. I don't discount this I just don't weigh it as high considering who is at QB. Its too bad we couldn't see him drop down to OC with Boller at the helm. Maybe he could have learned from him. And who to say that he isn't learning now. The true test for BB is to turn around Kyle and make him into a NFL force. If he can do that, then I would agree that the change is due to BB.

Many analysis have said that Mcnair needed at least a half a season under his belt to see some results anyway. It appears they were right. Understandably some people were upset about the money spent for him to be a Raven but Mcnair has since silenced his critics. At this stage of the game he is worth the money and its something I would put off worrying about until we have to.

darb72

11-17-2006, 11:46 PM

But To be fair The production has a lot to do with Mcnair at the helm and not so much BB.

Really? So when McNair had a 68 QB rating, more INTs than TDs and was horribly inaccurate, it was because he wasn't used to the system?

Yet Billick had been the OC for one week when this offense turned around and it's all because of McNair?

I'd love to say I'm surprised, but honestly...

BB has had a bunch of below average qbs in the past, so who can blame him if things went wrong.
Again I find myself staring blankly at the screen and wondering if you ever even consider what you're posting.

Three of the QBs we've brought in after 1999 had been to the ProBowl.
Grbac played his eighth year in the league with us and dropped a little over 1,100 yards passing, 13 TDs and managed to throw 4 more INTs from his previous season with the Chiefs. Please use the "no running game" argument. I never tire of slapping that one down.

Jeff Blake was a major reason the Saints reached the SuperBowl just a few years before he joined us.

Heck even Dilfer made the ProBowl while he was in Tampa.

Many analysis have said that Mcnair needed at least a half a season under his belt to see some results anyway.

Really? That's funny because I don't remember them saying that. I remember you... people... saying that, but nobody else. Care to bring up some proof?

crazyraven

11-18-2006, 09:07 AM

Yet Billick had been the OC for one week when this offense turned around and it's all because of McNair?

I didnt disagree with the orginal poster (RD) I was just including Mcnair into the picture because he is at the helm. BB has been part of the offense for 7 years and all fingers were pointed towards him as the reason why the offense was sputtering (even with fassil here). Darb you blame the system at every turn and NOW you start praising it after a few games and leave out the main reason why its clicking. I thought you were jaded?

BB is not out there playing the game. Mcnair won games and even in his funk, he was 4-0 at one point. I agree the Defense came to play in those game and did its job when it was needed but he also helped a lot to win a few games like in the Clev and SD games.

Jeff Blake was a major reason the Saints reached the SuperBowl just a few years before he joined us.

And he says he stares blankly at the screen at me. :eyes:

Heap86

11-18-2006, 09:31 AM

Jeff Blake was a major reason the Saints reached the SuperBowl just a few years before he joined us.

WHAT!!!

Really? That's funny because I don't remember them saying that. I remember you... people... saying that, but nobody else. Care to bring up some proof?

I have heard several people say it, even Aaron has said it on several occasions. Go look up Aaron's old chat transcripts, you'll find them.

darb72

11-18-2006, 04:04 PM

Darb you blame the system at every turn and NOW you start praising it after a few games and leave out the main reason why its clicking. I thought you were jaded?
Because I know enough about football to realize the system has changed a great deal. The entire offense philosophy has changed.

Seeing as how you have never played a down of football I can understand how you wouldn't get that.

Jeff Blake was a major reason the Saints reached the SuperBowl just a few years before he joined us.
The reason that CR is a liar is because he makes statements that are factually untrue and stays with them.

I made a mistake. My statement should have read, "Jeff Blake was a major reason the Saints reached the Play-offs a few years before he joined us."

Speaking of lying, Crazy have you decided which poster you're going to accuse of disappearing for 6 months after we signed McNair? I really can't wait for your answer.

I have heard several people say it, even Aaron has said it on several occasions. Go look up Aaron's old chat transcripts, you'll find them.

If you make the statement, the onus falls on you to prove that statement.
There is noway I'm helping you... people... do research.

highwater

11-18-2006, 06:07 PM

Speaking of lying, Crazy have you decided which poster you're going to accuse of disappearing for 6 months after we signed McNair? I really can't wait for your answer.

You will be waiting a long time, because it was a ridiculous lie that Crazy won't admit to -- he doesn't have the backbone to confess that he just made it up.

crazyraven

11-18-2006, 08:20 PM

You will be waiting a long time, because it was a ridiculous lie that Crazy won't admit to -- he doesn't have the backbone to confess that he just made it up.

Well there is a little bit of truth to what you are saying HW. I did exaggerated the time frame. Some people come and go for short amounts and only come out when Mcnair is failing. For example, have we seen FH in the qb forum? Have you added anything to the these QB discussions HighWater other than kissing Darbs ass when ever you get a free chance? The only person who does engage in any type of talk is darb, although its very difficult because he is always asking for a work cited page when you talk to him.

The Thing is, we are ravens fans having conversations about our team where most of these things said are common knowledge. For example Mike Preston has said many times that we should wait at least 8 weeks for Mcnair to grasp the system. Also the guys who did the game against the titans said the same thing too as well as Aaron Wilson. Asking for a link about every detail is a little bit over the top IMHO.

Anyway Darb, your tone is way out of order lately. I ask that you please tone it down or put me on your ignore list--From this moment I will do the same. You are officialy on my ignore list. It is obviously we don't like each other and I want to avoid conflict. Thank you very much.

POPSinPA

11-18-2006, 11:47 PM

The only thing that is going to determine how far we go in the playoffs is our running game, or the lack there of.

darb72

11-19-2006, 12:47 AM

You are officialy on my ignore list. It is obviously we don't like each other and I want to avoid conflict. Thank you very much.
Whoo-hoo!!!!:thumbup:

FadeToBlack

11-19-2006, 11:06 AM

Darb, who are you kidding bro? Seriously. Grbac, Dilfer and Blake were never very good. I really don't know what more to say to you because if you didn't realize this very simple yet very basic truth, then really there isn't anything I can say that can make that light bulb go off in your head, because there isn't a light bulb there to begin with.

Crazy, if I were you I wouldn't even try to respond to that post. That's like me saying the Ravens defense in the early 2000's was average and you responding to me with a bunch of stats trying to prove otherwise. It's a waste of your time.

I'm still halfway hoping Darb was either kidding or just exaggerating. There is NO WAY you're that oblivious. No way!

Art-Florida

11-19-2006, 11:50 AM

Cat fights are loads of fun to see, but they can get tedious too.

One thought: 90% of this stuff was brought about by the endless Boller-bashing on this board and others. No point in denying it - it's true.

darb72

11-19-2006, 02:08 PM

Darb, who are you kidding bro? Seriously. Grbac, Dilfer and Blake were never very good
Really?

Grbac 1999: 3389 yards, 22 TDs and 15 INTs
Grbac 2000: 4164 yards, 28 TDs and 14 INTs
He made the ProBowl the year before he got here

Blake, for his career has 134 TDs and 99 INTs
He made the ProBowl

Dilfer 1997: 2555 yards, 21 TDs and 11 INTs
Dilfer 1998: 2719 yards, 21 TDs and 15 INTs
He made the ProBowl

Are any of them considered great QBs? No, but to say they're below average after they made the ProBowl is flat out stupid.

then really there isn't anything I can say that can make that light bulb go off in your head, because there isn't a light bulb there to begin with.

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MikeinGlennDale

11-19-2006, 11:29 PM

We should stop referring to the QB as Steve ... or 9 ... etc. from now on ... I submit that we refer to him as the savior.

I've never had as much confidence in the Ravens squad as what the savior brings in. If you doubt me...refer to SD, TT, and today.

We go to and win the SB (barring injury) if the savior can stay healthy. 31 is coming on and here come the big boys.

purplepoe

11-20-2006, 05:28 PM

It's absolutely hilarious that this thread, hell this forum, gets any activity.

Are we really questioning what McNair has brought to this team?

It's not about numbers. It never was. Some......people want to find solace in numbers but it's so painfully obvious how valuable McNair has been to this team that it's almost laughable that someone would want to ignore it.

Seeing as how you have never played a down of football I can understand how you wouldn't get that.

That Charlie Weis guy is a pretty good coach, wouldn't you say?

Ask him how many downs he played at ND.

You do realize that there are many coaches/managers that never played competitively in their respective sports don't you?

PP

darb72

11-20-2006, 05:53 PM

That Charlie Weis guy is a pretty good coach, wouldn't you say?
Awww that's sweet. Poe jumping to his boys defense. Let's take a quick look at Weis's career why don't we?
1979 Boonton (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1980 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1981 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1982 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1983 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1984 Morristown (N.J.) High School Assistant Coach
1985 South Carolina Graduate Assistant Coach/Defensive Backs
1986 South Carolina Graduate Assistant Coach/Linebackers
1987 South Carolina (8-4, Gator Bowl) Volunteer Coach/Defensive Ends
1988 South Carolina (8-4, Liberty Bowl) Assistant Recruiting Coordinator
1989 Franklin Township (N.J.) High School Head Coach
1990 New York Giants (13-3, Super Bowl champion) Def. Assistant, Asst. Special Teams
1991 New York Giants (8-8) Running Backs
1992 New York Giants Running Backs
1993 New England Patriots Tight Ends
1994 New England Patriots (10-6, Wild Card loser) Tight Ends
1995 New England Patriots Running Backs
1996 New England Patriots (11-5, lost Super Bowl) Wide Receivers
1997 New York Jets (9-7) Wide Receivers
1998 New York Jets (12-4, lost AFC title game) Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers
1999 New York Jets (8-8) Offensive Coordinator/Wide Receivers
2000 New England Patriots Offensive Coordinator/Running Backs
2001 New England Patriots (11-5, Super Bowl champ.) Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks/RBs
2002 New England Patriots (9-7) Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
2003 New England Patriots (14-2, Super Bowl champ.) Offensive Coordinator
2004 New England Patriots (11-1) Offensive Coordinator
2005 University of Notre Dame (9-3, Fiesta Bowl) Head Coach

How many years does Weis have coaching? Hmmm.... 26.

Now let's ask CR how many years coaching he has. You'll have to do the asking though, since I'm on his ignore list.

purplepoe

11-20-2006, 06:02 PM

You never mentioned coaching, you said playing.

Correct?

Im not jumping to anyone's defense. You could've posted that in response to any poster and I would've said the same thing.

I pointed out the fact that many coaches/managers haven't played the games in which they coach. That's all.

And again, all this talk about system and numbers is great. You do your research and come up with your stats to back your argument up.

All that doesn't change the fact that McNair is a better QB (IMO) than any QB the Ravens have had.

And THAT is a major reason why this team is sitting at 8-2.

PP

darb72

11-20-2006, 06:09 PM

You're right. I never mentioned coaching.

I see now that CR can walk into Notre Dame and be a great coach at this very minute. I can't believe I was so blind.

All that doesn't change the fact that McNair is a better QB (IMO) than any QB the Ravens have had.

That's everybodys opinion. It's my opinion that Billick is the best OC we've ever had.

purplepoe

11-20-2006, 06:16 PM

You're right. I never mentioned coaching.

I see now that CR can walk into Notre Dame and be a great coach at this very minute. I can't believe I was so blind.

That's everybodys opinion. It's my opinion that Billick is the best OC we've ever had.

Sigh.

I quoted you directly and responded to it.

I certainly didn't infer that anyone could just walk into Notre Dame and be a great coach.

And Im certainly not trying to get into the pissing matches that seem to going on on this thread.

I was under the impression that this board wouldn't tolerate that.

PP

darb72

11-20-2006, 06:28 PM

I certainly didn't infer that anyone could just walk into Notre Dame and be a great coach.

You compared them. Tell you what, next time I'll say, "never coached or played the game before". How'd that be?

And Im certainly not trying to get into the pissing matches that seem to going on on this thread.

Then let's make a deal. You don't respond to my post and I won't respond to yours. That's the easiest way to avoid any arguments.

purplepoe

11-20-2006, 06:39 PM

You compared them. Tell you what, next time I'll say, "never coached or played the game before". How'd that be?

Then let's make a deal. You don't respond to my post and I won't respond to yours. That's the easiest way to avoid any arguments.

Isn't the point of a message board to have arguments about whatever team everyone is interested in?

And there are people on all boards who played, coached, never played, and never coached. That doesn't mean their opinions deserve less merit than others. At least not to me.

I'd venture to say that some posters on this board who agree with you have never played or coached football. Does that mean they don't know much about football as well?

My point is that dismissing opinions based on if someone coached or played comes full circle. Because at some point, the people you agree with are gonna be the ones who haven't played or coached.

How about everyone act like adults and get this board going. Wasn't that the whole point of this board?

Feel free to ignore this post or respond to it.

PP

Mobtown

11-21-2006, 07:16 AM

How about everyone act like adults

Good luck with that. Some ...people... seem incapable of mature discussion.

darb72

11-21-2006, 04:42 PM

Good luck with that. Some ...people... seem incapable of mature discussion.

Hey Mobtown until you know the history between Poe, CR and me, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself.

I have a very good reason for flat out hating those two.

purplepoe

11-21-2006, 05:28 PM

Hey Mobtown until you know the history between Poe, CR and me, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself.

I have a very good reason for flat out hating those two.

Once again you have made something up in your head, not proven anything, and still harp on it. Hell, you bitch at CR to prove something with concrete evidence and you never did it with me. You just threatened me a few times, that's all.

You have brought this board down with insults when people came over here to avoid them.

Hell, one of you posts on this thread was deleted due to personal insults.

Your act is typical and tired. You "know" more than anyone because you played some football in college. Congrats.

And yes, let's make that deal you proposed above because you can't seem to stop with the insults and Im not gonna ruin this board and trade barbs with someone who acts like a 12 year old.

PP

darb72

11-21-2006, 05:45 PM

Never mind

crazyraven

11-22-2006, 09:09 AM

Once again you have made something up in your head, not proven anything, and still harp on it. Hell, you bitch at CR to prove something with concrete evidence and you never did it with me. You just threatened me a few times, that's all.

You have brought this board down with insults when people came over here to avoid them.

Hell, one of you posts on this thread was deleted due to personal insults.

Your act is typical and tired. You "know" more than anyone because you played some football in college. Congrats.

And yes, let's make that deal you proposed above because you can't seem to stop with the insults and Im not gonna ruin this board and trade barbs with someone who acts like a 12 year old.

PP

PP I suggest to just ignore him. I refuse to be threatened as well and will not tolerate it.

as for our history there really isn't any other than talking about boller at YBR. so i'm not sure wtf he is talking about.

Mista T

12-02-2006, 11:26 PM

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