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Losac

01-22-2008, 04:45 PM

No offense intended but Fassel only had 3 winning seasons and a SB blowout to show for his stint in NY.
He had a winning record overall in New York, which is one thing the Billick huggers point out as a reason he shouldn't have been fired.

By the way, if Billick is such a hot commodity, why hasn't anyone brought him in for an interview in Atlanta or Washington?

AZRAVEN

01-22-2008, 04:57 PM

Who brought Billick into the conversation or said he was a hot commodity, certainly not I although if Fassel gets another shot I feel more optimistic that Billick will at some point in the future.
As far as why hasn't Billick been granted any interviews I would assume it's just to soon. As many here have said, he would be stupid to go back to work now when he can be play on Mr Whimsey's money for a few million. Plus I don't remember, though I could be wrong, any coach who was fired getting another job right away. It seems like there is usually at least a year's cooling off before they get back to it.

highwater

01-22-2008, 04:59 PM

By the way, if Billick is such a hot commodity, why hasn't anyone brought him in for an interview in Atlanta or Washington?

Probably because he isn't interested.

As far as Fassel goes, the fact that Skins are talking to him doesn't mean he's a front-runner for the job. The Skins clearly don't know what they are doing. I think Fassel may get a coaching job this year, but it will probably be as an OC, not a HC.

AZRAVEN

01-22-2008, 05:03 PM

The commented on PTI that the skins have interviewed Greg Williams (I think that's his name) four times. They don't have a clue what they are doing down there.

RustonRifle

01-22-2008, 05:04 PM

By the way, if Billick is such a hot commodity, why hasn't anyone brought him in for an interview in Atlanta or Washington?

Dig it, Billick needs a roster with overwhelming talent to compete. I've said for quite a few years that billick has squander'd more talent than any coach in football. I remember not so long ago when billick was on the hot seat but ultimately survived, some in the fan base were stating

'if billick were fired, teams would be lining up for his services " or "billick would be unemployed all of ten minutes":rolling:

Not that I believed the rediculous statement to begin with but it looks like they were proven dead wrong.

UKRavenStockers

01-22-2008, 05:04 PM

You can't use Billick as a scapegoat for Fassel as an offensive co-ordinator and play caller. The offence improved markedly under Billick's tutilage when he canned Fassel.

highwater

01-22-2008, 05:09 PM

The commented on PTI that the skins have interviewed Greg Williams (I think that's his name) four times. They don't have a clue what they are doing down there.

What's funny about that is that the guy has worked there four years as DC and assistant HC! What the hell are they doing dragging him in for FOUR interviews? Obviously they don't really want to hire him. It's almost like they're looking for reasons to not hire him.

Synder is clearing running that show, which is bad news for Skins fans but doesn't make me sad at all.

Khaine

01-22-2008, 05:09 PM

sweet :)

Maybe he'll hire Billick as OC.:roll:

:rolling: I don't care who ya are that is some funny shizzle. :cheeky:

AZRAVEN

01-22-2008, 05:31 PM

:rolling: I don't care who ya are that is some funny shizzle. :cheeky:

Well, not particularily defending Billick but he didn't do to bad in Minnesota as OC so whose to say it would be a bad call. Why all the Billick hate, he's been fired and everything he did in Baltimore wasn't bad and you have a new hero to worship so why not just let the guy in peace?

Khaine

01-22-2008, 05:36 PM

Well, not particularily defending Billick but he didn't do to bad in Minnesota as OC so whose to say it would be a bad call. Why all the Billick hate, he's been fired and everything he did in Baltimore wasn't bad and you have a new hero to worship so why not just let the guy in peace?

Oh you misinterpret my laughing. The irony alone would make it damn Funny shizzle

Have you seen me ever "hate on Billick"?

Mr.Boh

01-22-2008, 05:37 PM

I dont think Fassel was a scapegoat for BB at all. Fact is the guy had a horrible work ethic and BB was right to show him the door. Maybe he will be a good HC, but he treated the OC job as if it were beneath him.

highwater

01-22-2008, 05:47 PM

Well, John Clayton on SportsCenter just reported a while ago that Fassel is in fact considered a front-runner, so maybe I should retract my earlier skeptical comment that he's just another guy they are talking to.

But I won't, because I really don't think the Redskins have a clue what they are doing. I don't think they even have a leading candidate. Maybe the Gibbs retirement caught them by surprise, but that happened two weeks ago, so you'd think they would have a plan by now.

So who knows, maybe Fassel could actually get this job. I still doubt it, because he's not the splashy hire that Danny-boy craves, but there really aren't any big names out there now, so I guess he has a shot.

But I wouldn't know whether to congratulate him or say, "Sorry you're working for Danny."

Rxdoxx

01-22-2008, 07:04 PM

I think the Skins do have someone specific in mind.
If I had to take a stab in the dark, I'd guess his team is still playing.
Haven't followed them enough to know if they have met the Rooney Rule yet.
If they haven't, I could narrow down the remaining coaching staffs a little :D

IMHO Greg Williams is their fall-back candidate, he is ready if need-be with no further discussion (except contract terms maybe).

Fassel is interesting, especially if Al Sanders really runs the offense.

Greg

01-22-2008, 07:26 PM

I think he was hurt (along with Matt Cavanaugh) by being scapegoats in Billick's horrid offense for so long.
The guy was putting in minimal effort here as the OC. He shot himself in the foot, the offense was WAY better without him. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Dig it, Billick needs a roster with overwhelming talent to compete.
Dig this, Billick got to 8-8 with a team that had Justin Freaking Armor as a starting WR, Mitchell, Case and Banks at QB, and 3 TEs you couldn't name without going and looking them up. I know 2, one delivers UPS packages to my store, another pizzas to my house. He went 7-9 with 19 rookies, an NFL record for any team. He had the team in post-season contention with all of those rookies, Chris Redman and Blake at QB and if not for a facemask not called in the C-choke game in week 16 he goes into week 17 needing a win for 9-7 and post-season.

Billick has some bad years when the team got away from him but he also had some GREAT YEARS, in case you forget. Some of you people are ungrateful as hell and have no idea how good you have had it. Check out what Lions and Cardinals fans have gone through.

Mista T

01-22-2008, 08:30 PM

Per Profootballtalk (http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/22/fassel-to-be-hired-as-soon-as-wednesday/), Fassel is the frontrunner -- to be hired tomorrow. If I read this correctly, he may hire Rex Ryan as well:

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Fassel could be the head coach of the Washington Redskins as soon as Wednesday.

And Fassel could be paired with former Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan, who is under consideration to return to the Ravens in that same capacity — and who also could end up coaching the Falcons.

ravenjoe

01-22-2008, 09:26 PM

Billick has some bad years when the team got away from him but he also had some GREAT YEARS, in case you forget.

People forget the years he did alot with nothing; it's when the team "got away from him" that his days were numbered. BB did a commendable job as coach of the Ravens!

RavenTD

01-23-2008, 01:53 AM

Well whichever sucker takes that job.Be prepared to have loads of melting ice cream stacked in your HC office when things go wrong.

That what comes of working for a class A git.:kissass:

RavenScallywag

01-23-2008, 06:04 AM

I wonder if they would make Ryan an Assistant HC? I gotta think the Gregg Williams situation with the Redskins is much like our Rex Ryan situation...if they don't hire him, they need to get rid of him, because he's going to become a lurking cancer in that locker room.

If they don't make Rex Assistant HC, I can't see why he'd go for that if SB/Harbaugh is offering an Assistant HC title. Sure, it's a clean break, but this would represent the better opportunity to get a HC job in the future.

purplepoe

01-23-2008, 06:43 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3208303

"While the coaching search continued, the Redskins solidified their front office structure Tuesday by adding the word "executive" to Cerrato's title, making him the executive vice president of football operations. The team said Cerrato will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization, including the roster, scouting and salary cap management."

Comcast reported last night that Cerrato and Williams' relationship is "strained".

Looks like Cerrato is winning the power struggle down there.

Sounds good to me.

He's clueless.

PP

highwater

01-23-2008, 06:48 AM

I gotta think the Gregg Williams situation with the Redskins is much like our Rex Ryan situation...if they don't hire him, they need to get rid of him, because he's going to become a lurking cancer in that locker room.

I agree -- in fact, it sounds like the Gregg Williams situation in DC is worse than Rex in Baltimore. I heard earlier this week that the reason they've interviewed Williams four (!) times is that although he's worked for the Skins for four years, Danny-boy doesn't really know him or have a comfort level with him. If they had to interview him four times, it's obvious they don't really want him as HC. I can't imagine him staying there as DC.

On the other hand, although I have said repeatedly that I don't see Rex coming back here, it sounds like Bisciotti would like him back. So maybe that'll happen after all. But Williams returning to the Skins looks like a long shot.

Unless they give the HC job to Fassel, and Fassel talks Williams into coming back.

Ravens23

01-23-2008, 08:15 AM

God help the Redskins if they choose this guy...

Of course, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch! :happyanim :happyanim

Losac

01-23-2008, 09:28 AM

Probably because he isn't interested.

Have you heard of the Skins, Falcons, or Dolphins even contacting Billick for an interview when they were doing their searches? I haven't. If you talk to other people around the country, you get the feeling that Billick really isn't thought of too highly outside of Bmore. He's arrogant, and his offense has been lousy for 9 years. He'll milk his free $15 mil, and then most likely get into broadcasting.

Billick as OC under HC Fassel would be hilarious though.

Ravenswarrior19

01-23-2008, 09:36 AM

Billick as OC under HC Fassel would be hilarious though.

Especially if he gets fired during the bye week.

Purpleguy

01-23-2008, 09:52 AM

For all of you Billick bashers please name one talented player that he didn't get the most out of?

He did the best with what he was given.

Greg

01-23-2008, 09:57 AM

Billick will get a shot next year. Why would he throw away $5 million of free money to be a HC this year?

Billick has a winning record, a Super Bowl and his is highly thought of around the league by his former players. Compared to some of the retreads that come and go he is head and shoulders above.

Ravens23

01-23-2008, 09:58 AM

He was given Derek Anderson.. didn't make the most out of that talent, did he?

Purpleguy

01-23-2008, 10:05 AM

He was given Derek Anderson.. didn't make the most out of that talent, did he?

LMAO, could you imagine DA behind our o-line with our receivers? He's a jump ball thrower, and if receivers don't have seperation he'll throw it into triple coverage. Besides he was given Anderson and Ozzie took him away.

RavenScallywag

01-23-2008, 10:05 AM

Billick's name was floated as OC candidate with the 49ers, Rams, Redskins, etc. I think he was turning them down for a 1 year paid vacation. That way he gets rested, gets his duck in line, and is one of the top guys available next year.

We all talk about John Harbaugh not so much being an offensive or defensive genius, but being a great motivator and leader. I think likewise of Billick. As an OC, he stunk. As a leader, he was better than he gets credit for. Yes, the message got stale and all things like that, but I think he still got most of the players to play better than they would've under other coaches. Harbaugh has similar qualities, so I think we'll see something good here.

Billick will get a job somewhere else...could be in college, could be in NFL, but I don't see him never getting a coaching job again.

festivus

01-23-2008, 10:13 AM

Have you heard of the Skins, Falcons, or Dolphins even contacting Billick for an interview when they were doing their searches?

No. But why would they? Did anyone contact Cowher heading into this year?

If BB has *any* sense, he will take some time off the grind, and will come back on his terms. By most standards - winning seasons, playoff appearances, SB wins - he was a good coach, and will get attention when he throws his hat into the ring.

Those of you who think 'high flying offense' is an important factor in deciding your next head coach, consider Exhibit A: Bill Belichick, HC for the Cleveland Browns. He turned out ok with his next gig, didn't he?

AZRAVEN

01-23-2008, 10:26 AM

I think BIllick will get another offer when he's ready to come back. Right now, I'm sure he's still licking his wounds from this fiasco. I just hope he's as smart as Belichick was in making adjustments because Belichick was a total asshole in Cleveland and was universally disliked. What Billick needs to take away from this experience is to watch his back, forget about being a "players coach" because it won't help you, don't trust players or management because they will turn on you in a heartbeat.

RustonRifle

01-27-2008, 07:17 AM

The guy was putting in minimal effort here as the OC. He shot himself in the foot, the offense was WAY better without him. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

If a coach wasn't doing his job he should have been fired long before.
Fassel ran billicks offense not his own.

He went 7-9 with 19 rookies, an NFL record for any team. He had the team in post-season contention with all of those rookies, Chris Redman and Blake at QB and if not for a facemask not called in the C-choke game in week 16 he goes into week 17 needing a win for 9-7 and post-season.

That 7-9 team was much more talented than the local and national media gave them credit for. We had 3 pro bowlers in '02 and 8 in '03 plus made the playoffs. I'm not buying billicks bluster of how bad the roster was after the cap purge. If you do that's fine. There was an infusion of young talent brought in buy Ozzie and the staff and the short turn around after the purge bears that out.

Billick done some good things in Baltimore but I don't think his record is on par with the talent he had through out his tenure. If you do that's O.K.:word

Hook

01-27-2008, 07:52 AM

For all of you Billick bashers please name one talented player that he didn't get the most out of?

Not that I'm a Billick basher but he clearly didnt get the most out of Priest Holmes. In fact because he didnt get the most out of him they went out and spent a first round pick on Jamal.

highwater

01-27-2008, 10:13 AM

Not that I'm a Billick basher but he clearly didnt get the most out of Priest Holmes. In fact because he didnt get the most out of him they went out and spent a first round pick on Jamal.

You're not a Billick basher, but you're saying that the Ravens felt obligated to draft Jamal in the first round because Billick wasn't utilizing Preist Holmes correctly?

Here's a thought -- maybe they drafted Jamal in the first round because they thought he was the best player available. And I'd say that was a good decision.

Hook

01-27-2008, 10:35 AM

You're not a Billick basher, but you're saying that the Ravens felt obligated to draft Jamal in the first round because Billick wasn't utilizing Preist Holmes correctly?

Somebody asked if there was any player who was under billick who he didnt get the most out of. Clearly it was priest. Are you following along with this thread? And Do you know the stats on Priest since he had left Baltimore? Heres a news flash for you the guy was a stud in KC.

Here's a thought -- maybe they drafted Jamal in the first round because they thought he was the best player available. And I'd say that was a good decision.
I'm not saying Jamal wasnt a good pick up. I like Jamal too, but I'm certain you'll tell me I dont. True Priest was let go because of Salary Cap reasons but had they not gone after Jamal and used the services of Holmes We could have gone after a better player in that draft.

purplepoe

01-27-2008, 11:01 AM

Somebody asked if there was any player who was under billick who he didnt get the most out of. Clearly it was priest. Are you following along with this thread? And Do you know the stats on Priest since he had left Baltimore? Heres a news flash for you the guy was a stud in KC.

I'm not saying Jamal wasnt a good pick up. I like Jamal too, but I'm certain you'll tell me I dont. True Priest was let go because of Salary Cap reasons but had they not gone after Jamal and used the services of Holmes We could have gone after a better player.

This is ridiculous.

How did Billick not get the most out of Holmes when he was here?

Billick came here in 1999. Holmes missed alot of that season with injuries. When he did play he produced.

Ozzie Newsome went out and spent the 5th overall pick on Jamal and the rest is history. When Jamal was hurt (game 1 of the 2000 season) Holmes carried the load and had a great game.

Jamal Lewis was an absolute freak when he came into this league. No coach would've played Holmes over him.

So let me get this straight. Brian Billick becomes the HC of the Ravens in 99. Holmes is banged up but when healthy is productive. Then the GENERAL MANAGER of the team drafted Jamal Lewis in the 1st round and that's somehow Billick not getting enough out of Holmes?

Had they not gone after Lewis and used the services of Holmes? This is Billick's fault? He had use of Holmes for a half a season and then we drafted Lewis. Am I missing something here?

And I also like how you fail to mention that the Chiefs had the best OL in the league when Holmes signed there. It's no coincidence that Larry Johnson had ridiculous success when he replaced Holmes.

But yea, it's Billick's fault.:eyes:

If you wanna blame anyone, blame Ozzie Newsome. He drafted Jamal Lewis.

PP

Hook

01-27-2008, 11:20 AM

purplepoe

01-27-2008, 11:38 AM

Ok dont agree but Take it easy Purplepoe, its not that serious.

Priest never played here at the level he had played in KC. Thats a fact. There were flashes of it. But if You want to go on about this whole Ozzie and Billick thing, fine, thats been your game the past few weeks. I'm not getting caught in that. I have no beef with Billick or Ozzie, but Billick didnt get the most out of Priest the way the chiefs did. Thats a fact, stat wise. I'm sure most of you will just write off all the TDs he scored with KC - forget about the yards and receptions.

What should Billick have done differently?

He used him in 99 when he was healthy and he produced.

The team drafted Jamal Lewis in 2000 and he went on rush for over 1200 yds and we won the SB.

Then Holmes moved on the Chiefs.

Your contention is that somehow Billick not getting the most out of Holmes resulting in us taking Jamal #5 overall instead of using it on another player/position.

Once again, he became the coach in 1999. Holmes was injured for much of that year. We drafted Jamal in 2000.

Please explain to me how Billick's inability to get the most out of Holmes 1)resulted in us spending a high pick on Jamal and 2) has anything to do with what he did in KC.

And stop with your "I know what you're gonna say" crap.

Holmes was fantastic in KC and I haven't nor will I take anything away from his accomplishments.

The facts are Billick coached a healthy Holmes for half a season and then we drafted Lewis. Lewis was a very productive back that was the workhorse on a Super Bowl winning team. Holmes complemented him nicely and then moved on to another team because he wanted to start and knew he wouldn't here for numerous reasons. The team wanted him but couldn't because of the cap.

Those are the facts.

You haven't once addressed what Billick did when you claim he didn't get the most out of Holmes.

PP

RavenScallywag

01-27-2008, 12:19 PM

I still don't get how Fassel became the toast of DC overnight? The guy has been out of a job for a year and a half. He's 58-53-1 lifetime, which is a winning record, but isn't all that great. He's the biggest NAME available that can make a splash, which is what Danny wants, but I don't see how they can view him being the best guy to replace Gibbs. I don't remember if Fassel was a disciplinary type coach, or a players' friend type coach, but I can't see a disciplinarian coming into DC and making that team any better than it was. Only real asset I see him bringing to DC is his ability to develop QBs, which we can certainly argue against, given that the QBs he coached here were Boller, Wright, etc.

The rumour right now regarding Gregg Williams is he said something negative about Gibbs in his interview, which apparently buys you a one way ticket out of DC. So, Jim "Fossil", if you really want the job, just kiss Joe Gibbs' ass, and that should win you the job. I think their best move right now is to bring in Jim Schwartz, who is a local guy, really bright, and would do wonders to a defense that will probably be in free fall this year.

But, I'd be happy with them blowing their next few years by hiring the Fossil :D

Hook

01-27-2008, 12:46 PM

Your responses are quite comical, the fact that you take such offense to this is amusing. But regardless, It seems as though the staff in KC understood the talent they had in priest and used him to his FULLEST POTENTIAL but billick's staff didn't. That was the original question in the first place. ONE player was named. Dont get huffy because the player named became a legend playing somewhere else.

And stop with your "I know what you're gonna say" crap.
of course you want me to stop with that. Why would you want the stats and TD production ruin your side of the debate.

What should Billick have done differently?
How about trying to use priest to score a few TDs during the TD drought, Vermeil and company found a way to get Priest the ball for a very long time.

purplepoe

01-27-2008, 12:58 PM

Your responses are quite comical, the fact that you take such offense to this is amusing. But regardless, It seems as though the staff in KC understood the talent they had in priest and used him to his FULLEST POTENTIAL but billick's staff didn't. That was the original question in the first place. ONE player was named. Dont get huffy because the player named became a legend playing somewhere else.

of course you want me to stop with that. Why would you want the stats and TD production ruin your side of the debate.

How about trying to use priest to score a few TDs during the TD drought, Vermeil and company found a way to get Priest the ball for a very long time.

Im glad Priest Holmes succeeded in KC.

The guy worked hard and deserved it.

The fact that you seem to equate the drafting of Jamal Lewis with Brian Billick not using Holmes adequately for the half a season he had to work with him in 1999 is amusing.

You can have the last word.

I've made my points known.

PP

Purpleguy

01-27-2008, 04:40 PM

Not that I'm a Billick basher but he clearly didnt get the most out of Priest Holmes. In fact because he didnt get the most out of him they went out and spent a first round pick on Jamal.

Ozzie said that Priest was the 5th best back in the AFC Central. Priest clearly wasn't in the Ravens plans when Billick was hired.

darb72

01-27-2008, 05:09 PM

flraven

01-27-2008, 05:28 PM

I'm one of the people who thought we really didn't need to draft Jamal because we had Priest. He was our first 1,000 yard rusher after all, and we could have used that number five pick on an offensive lineman or another posistion of real need.

That said, Newsome was going to draft Jamal pretty much the whole time. Jamal, when healthy, is a physical freak at RB and was a better fit for our, "offense".

Same here, I was scratching my head when they picked Jamal. I thought Priest was an excellent back for us. I liked Priest a lot, especially since he thanked me for asking for his autograph at one of those rallies at the Inner Harbor during the Super Bowl run. He is definitely a class act, and too bad that neck injury shortened his career.

But I guess the Ravens board had Jamal as the best player available, and they took him.

UKRavenStockers

01-27-2008, 05:29 PM

Other picks from 6-15 in 2000:

- Corey Simon - DT - Eagles - Florida State
- Thomas Jones - RB - Cardinals - Virginia
- Plaxico Burress - WR - Steelers - Michigan State
- Brian Urlacher - LB - Bears - New Mexico
- Travis Taylor - WR - Ravens - Florida
- Ron Dayne - RB - Giants - Wisconsin
- Shaun Ellis - DE - Jets - Tennessee
- John Abraham - DE - Jets - South Carolina
- Bubba Franks - TE - Packers - Miami (Fl.)
- Deltha O'Neal - DB - Broncos - Cal

Not sure exactly where else we were supposed to go besides Jamal? :confused:

AZRAVEN

01-27-2008, 10:04 PM

Plaxico wouldn't have hurt my feelings any.. Oh wait, we got the great Travis Taylor... never mind... :grbac: :ralph:

Hook

01-28-2008, 08:29 AM

The fact that you seem to equate the drafting of Jamal Lewis with Brian Billick not using Holmes adequately for the half a season he had to work with him in 1999 is amusing.

I equate the drafting of Jamal as a sign that the Front office and the coaching staff felt a need to grab a running back in the first round. Had they thought they would of needed a LB they may have grabbed Urlacher but there wasnt a need for that as we were stack in that position.

Ozzie said that Priest was the 5th best back in the AFC Central. Priest clearly wasn't in the Ravens plans when Billick was hired.
Who cares who said it? What if Art said it or Ray? Billick never got the production out of Priest the way Vermeil did. You asked for a player who Billick didnt get the most out of, I think that player is Priest. You dont have to agree with that but if you line up the stats Billick hardly used him effectively the way KC did. That's all.

festivus

01-28-2008, 08:33 AM

Your responses are quite comical, the fact that you take such offense to this is amusing. But regardless, It seems as though the staff in KC understood the talent they had in priest and used him to his FULLEST POTENTIAL but billick's staff didn't. That was the original question in the first place. ONE player was named. Dont get huffy because the player named became a legend playing somewhere else.

Wow. A debate about Priest Holmes vs. Jamal Lewis, where somebody is complaining it is Billick's fault Priest Holmes did not put up his KC numbers here.

Just. Wow.

Hook we had two RBs on the roster. One was going to start. The other would have to take a huge pay cut to stay. As I recall they were even represented by the same agent, who even *told* the organization only one was going to stay a Raven. We went with Jamal and won the Super Bowl, something the Chiefs never did with Priest.

I was glad for Priest to cash in and have success elsewhere, but each team only gets to have one starting running back, and we did pretty well with #31 for awhile there. Let it go.

Hook

01-28-2008, 09:07 AM

Wow. A debate about Priest Holmes vs. Jamal Lewis, where somebody is complaining it is Billick's fault Priest Holmes did not put up his KC numbers here.
No one is complainng about Billick.

Did Billick get the same production out of Priest as the KC did? The answer is no, so he didnt get the most out of him. Thats all.

We went with Jamal and won the Super Bowl, something the Chiefs never did with Priest.
Priest was on that team too :happyanim

festivus

01-28-2008, 09:21 AM

No one is complainng about Billick.

Did Billick get the same production out of Priest as the KC did? The answer is no, so he didnt get the most out of him. Thats all.

Priest was on that team too :happyanim

Meh. Call it want you want, you are whining about Billick.

Priest was on that team in his role as the back up. That was his role. We won the Super Bowl under utilizing him. So I don't see your complaint.

I wish in our new smileys we had one called :shrug:, if we did, I'd put it here.

Greg

01-28-2008, 09:30 AM

Billick had both backs in 2000 and he used Priest quite effectively, but given our talent there is no doubt who the best back FOR US was at the time. Or are you going to claim Priest played better than Jamal in 2000?

In 1999 Priest was used quite well WHEN HE WAS HEALTHY. You can try and ignore his injuries and claim it was Billick's fault he wasn't more productive in 1999 and you might have a point if Billick were the trainer or team doctor.

Beyond that blaming Billick for Priest leaving is idiotic and just oozes Billick hate. Before Billick was even here Ozzie Newsome said Priest was the 5th best back in the AFC Central. He makes the personnel decisions, if you can't put two and two together regarding the signing of Rhett and then the drafting of Jamal let me try and help. OZZIE MISSED ON PRIEST, NOT BILLICK!

Hook

01-28-2008, 09:32 AM

I wish in our new smileys we had one called :shrug:, if we did, I'd put it here.
Me too. My comment about jamal has been disected way too much. But I still stand by it because in the end the entire ravens organiztion thought a rookie Running back was the way to go and as you say, priest was deemed a backup, when he clearly was not.

Hook

01-28-2008, 09:42 AM

Billick had both backs in 2000 and he used Priest quite effectively, but given our talent there is no doubt who the best back FOR US was at the time. Or are you going to claim Priest played better than Jamal in 2000?
he was under utilized, he was an unknown weapon that we could have used more effectively but choose to keep him on the bench.

Greg

01-28-2008, 09:50 AM

Keep on the bench? He started the first several games while Jamal healed from a separated elbow. He was used as a WR and got plenty of time spelling Jamal. Jamal out-played him, plain and simple.

festivus

01-28-2008, 09:55 AM

Beyond that blaming Billick for Priest leaving is idiotic and just oozes Billick hate. Before Billick was even here Ozzie Newsome said Priest was the 5th best back in the AFC Central. He makes the personnel decisions, if you can't put two and two together regarding the signing of Rhett and then the drafting of Jamal let me try and help. OZZIE MISSED ON PRIEST, NOT BILLICK!

Greg I wouldn't even go that far. Remember our OL was a bunch of road-grader types, for whom Priest was not well suited as a (McGahee-style) slasher and pass catcher. Nobody "missed" on Priest, we had Jamal instead, whose numbers may not have been as gaudy but who was well suited to our team.

he was under utilized, he was an unknown weapon that we could have used more effectively but choose to keep him on the bench.

Good god. Most of the Billick haters do not go this far, and point to the Super Bowl winning team as one that was mismanaged by Billick. Seriously, criticizing a SB winning team for its failure to take better advantage of a backup running back is bizarre.

evade6317

01-28-2008, 10:39 AM

For all of you Billick bashers please name one talented player that he didn't get the most out of?

He did the best with what he was given.

http://www.nndb.com/people/349/000087088/boller-1.jpg

He was the beginning of the end for both Billick and Fassel.

B-more Ravor

01-28-2008, 11:05 AM

If the Ravens missed on Priest, then so did a lot of other teams as well.

KC signed Priest on the first day of the draft (not at the beginning of March when the FA market opened) in 2001, after they didn't select a RB. At one point, the Ravens thought they had a chance to retain him as a back-up because no one wanted to offer him even a shot at a starting gig. He was signed to a small contract and he was sharing carries for the first couple of games - even KC didn't know what they had at that point.