Adalius MUST be resigned!

[psuasskicker]

This guy is a critical piece to how effective the defense is. We all know how well he can get to the QB and play the run. But I dunno who noticed his TD recovery today... He was running stride for stride with Nate Washington on his tail. This guy's a 260 or 270 pound defensive lineman, and he was running as fast as a receiver!

He's my number one priority this off-season. Lock him up for a long, long time.

- C -

[PurpleRulz]

This guy is a critical piece to how effective the defense is. We all know how well he can get to the QB and play the run. But I dunno who noticed his TD recovery today... He was running stride for stride with Nate Washington on his tail. This guy's a 260 or 270 pound defensive lineman, and he was running as fast as a receiver!

He's my number one priority this off-season. Lock him up for a long, long time.

- C -

I agree that he must be re-signed. With Cody injured again, we need AD for another season or two.

[RavensInBrazil]

We need to sign AD 'til he has to use a walking cane!

[corvuscorax]

100% agreed, AD should be absolute top priority for re-signing!

[F Angelos]

I love AD more than anybody but Ozzie has shown time and again that 1 player does not make a team. BTW the Sun and Rotoworld say Cody has a strain in PCL not a tear as reported by Amber Theoharis.

[Fletchterps]

Re-signed, not resigned. Two completely different things.

[bassgtrst]

Its simple.

Tag him.

[ravenwoman]

Raven fans have known for years the value of Adailius Thomas. I have wanted them to resign him 2 years ago. The Ravens need to move on this and get it done now. Why wait?

[ravensfan86]

I am not sure the Ravens can absorb the cap hit average top five outside backers contract. That is big money and would also strap the Ravens. As much as I would love to see the Ravens retain Thomas, I just can't see them stretching the cap like that. He already gave the Ravens a "hometown" discount last contract and deserves big money in most likely his last NFL contract.

He is a class act and very smart guy who was motivated enough to learn the other positions of the defense so he as well as others are always in the right position. Rarely do you see AD out of position for his assignment. GREAT PLAYER!

We will have to draft in the first day to replace his athleticism. The guy is a beast.

[Ravenatic20]

Its simple.

Tag him.
Exactly

[52decleetzu]

I believe I have heard AW state that the Ravens do not like to use the franchise tag anymore because the players dont respond well to being tagged,so I doubt we would do that.

With this obviously being AD's first AND last payday,I dont think he would be to warm to that idea.

Not saying he would cause problems,but he definitely would not be happy about it and I dont blame him.He has probably been one of the most underpaid players in the NFL when you look at what he does on the field the past few years,and hasnt gotten anywhere close to what he is worth.

[Merlin]

Will be a very tough call -- not sure he'll give us the "hometown discount" as he has effectively done that for his whole career; not sure we can afford the cap hit.

Practically speaking, the further we go into the postseason, the less likely it is that we'll be able to sign him, e.g., some team will just shell out the big bucks.

One scenario could be --franchise him for a year if we think our window is really only one year.

Would have been a great call to sign him earlier.

[psuasskicker]

Guys, the cap just went up in a pretty big way thanks to the new CBA. We can afford to pay him and bring him back. He's a MAJOR player for this defense. IMO, we can't afford to lose him...he's as critical to this unit as Lewis and Reed.

- C -

[ravensfan86]

I know we have some cap specialists on this board and on the fox scout board. I am flying blind here since I don't know what the cap looks like this year or next and who will not be back next year. I think we are in pretty good shape to keep the core talent intact for 2 more seasons. But I don't know after the big resignings of Heap, Reed and McNair what is left to dish out. Anyone know?

Also AD is 30 I believe. He will be 33 or 34 if we sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal. That is pretty old for a SAM. Just a thought. Don't get me wrong, if the Ravens can figure out a way to retain him lets do it. But I think there will be offers out there that the Ravens will not be able to compete with. AD seems like a level headed guy, but the money will talk. It was a small miricle that Bart Scott came back to the nest. I doubt lightning will strike twice. Only if AD wants to stay in Baltimore will there be a chance. Our offer will be a good one but will probably not be able to top others. Look at what Peterson got last year. AD is every bit as good as him of not better.

[52decleetzu]

Guys, the cap just went up in a pretty big way thanks to the new CBA. We can afford to pay him and bring him back. He's a MAJOR player for this defense. IMO, we can't afford to lose him...he's as critical to this unit as Lewis and Reed.

- C -


People dont seem to realize that the cap went up a tremendous amount and that every time a FA comes up it isnt just automatic that we cant afford him.

We have the money and I suspect we will use it on AD.John Clayton even wrote an article specifically on this topic that I posted in another AD thread,saying that teams have a ton of money now to lock up players long term with the new CBA.

[Fanman]

There is NO way AD is getting away from the Ravens. If they have to let Jamal go to keep AD under the cap they will. I would be 100% shocked if they did not sign AD to a long term deal.

FM

[RavenDavey]

We must sign him and yes, the cap will be going up for all teams. Even though the money will be out there for AD, you have to realize that not many players will leave this "Organized Kaos" defense to play elsewhere. I think the fact that our defense consistently is at the top of the NFL will keep the players home...even for less money. Hell, even "Prime Time" had to be a part of our defense because of the reputation in Baltimore!

Secondly, how many of our defensive players that left Baltimore have had a major impact for another team, or even made the pro bowl? I think most of them have gone down with injuries for their new teams. Who was that defensive tackle that left to play at Carolina this year? Do you think he wants to be back now? Offensive players are another story (see Priest Holmes, Chester Taylor!)

[Mista T]

Guys, the cap just went up in a pretty big way thanks to the new CBA. We can afford to pay him and bring him back. He's a MAJOR player for this defense.

It's all relative. The cap went up for everybody. Many teams are in better cap space than the Ravens and can afford to throw more $$$ at Thomas than Oz can.



He's a MAJOR player for this defense.

My opinion: he's the most important player to keep for next season. The defensive MVP.

[B-more Ravor]

Its simple.

Tag him.

If it were only so simple. Tagging him will cost them somewhere around $8M against the cap next year (it was $7.2M this past year). I'm not sure the Ravens will have $8M in cap space to do so.

Based on that, at least for next year, they'd be better off re-signing him to a long term deal (although that depends on what the cap looks like in 2008 on forward). I highly doubt that he will be tagged.

This is going to be a tough one. He'll be 30 in August which is not the ideal time to be giving LBs big signing bonuses. AD felt disrespected when he got the cold shoulder around the league the last time he was a FA, so you can expect him to be looking to cash in this time around (and he's basically already said as much). While the Ravens may (and I say may because Clayton often doesn't factor him the costs of EFAs and RFAs when making his cap pronouncements) have enough cap room, there are a lot of other teams that will have far more. Ozzie does not like to let his draft picks get away, but he also will draw a line - "right player, right price" - and if a guys wants more or gets a better offer elsewhere, that's it.

This is going to be one tough decision.

[PurpleRulz]

If it were only so simple. Tagging him will cost them somewhere around $8M against the cap next year (it was $7.2M this past year). I'm not sure the Ravens will have $8M in cap space to do so.

Based on that, at least for next year, they'd be better off re-signing him to a long term deal (although that depends on what the cap looks like in 2008 on forward). I highly doubt that he will be tagged.

This is going to be a tough one. He'll be 30 in August which is not the ideal time to be giving LBs big signing bonuses. AD felt disrespected when he got the cold shoulder around the league the last time he was a FA, so you can expect him to be looking to cash in this time around (and he's basically already said as much). While the Ravens may (and I say may because Clayton often doesn't factor him the costs of EFAs and RFAs when making his cap pronouncements) have enough cap room, there are a lot of other teams that will have far more. Ozzie does not like to let his draft picks get away, but he also will draw a line - "right player, right price" - and if a guys wants more or gets a better offer elsewhere, that's it.

This is going to be one tough decision.



It could come down to signing AD and risk losing Terrel Suggs and Bart Scott in two more seasons. I would not want to sign AD if it means losing Suggs and Scott.

[psuasskicker]

T, you're right that the cap went up for everyone, but the point is that we can afford to give him a great deal to keep him here. Plus, we have no one major coming up this off-season other than AD.


It could come down to signing AD and risk losing Terrel Suggs and Bart Scott in two more seasons. I would not want to sign AD if it means losing Suggs and Scott.

Suggs I want back, but Scott I'm not as concerned with if we've got AD and Suggs. Right now IMO the key guys on this defense are, in order:
1) Lewis - for his leadership more than his play.
2) Adalius - his play and versatility are outstanding.
3) Suggs - he's dominating offensive lines.

After that, you can lump Reed, Pryce, Scott, and Gregg in there. We won't be able to keep all of them, such is life. But AD is a guy we just have to have back...he gives us SO much.

- C -

[B-more Ravor]

To add to this discussion, based on my unofficial numbers, I've got the Ravens as having just over $105M committed toward next year's cap with 38 players under contract. This year's cap was $102M and it's reported to be going up to $109M in 2007.

The Ravens have 4 RFAs (Sams, Darling, Moore, Rimpf) and 7 EFAs (Katula, Mike Smith, Prude, Ross, Oglesby, Haley, Nduwke), who are not yet counted in that number (since they aren't tendered until next Feb.). Tendering all of them would cost another approx. $7M against the cap.

That would put us at approx. $3M OVER the cap. As such, I see no way they can franchise AD at $8M, without cutting a lot of quality players to do so.

Now, part of the $105M committed is for Jamal, who presently will count $11.667M against the cap. That obviously isn't going to happen. If he's released he will only count $3.33M against the cap, which would put them a little under $104M committed, leaving them with a little over $5M with which to re-sign some of our FA and get the draft picks signed. But, that would only leave them with Anderson, Daniels and Ross as RBs on the roster, so that's another area that would need to be addressed. Or, they could redo Jamal's deal which would probably mean a cap number more in the $4-5M range, which would still be a substantial cap savings.

Luckily, we only have 7 UFA and, other than AD and Pashos (since we appear to have no real heir-apparent), none - Musa, Jarret Johnson, Mughelli, Sapp, Franklin - are critical, and most could be re-signed for relatively cheaply. As such, we won't have a lot of spaces to fill and we will have 10 draft picks (7 - 2 for McNair and Sapp + 1 for LaCasse + 4 comp picks).

So, without redoing some of the larger contracts (which isn't necessarily a smart thing given the ages of those players), they are going to have a tough time retaining AD, IMO.

[PurpleRulz]

To add to this discussion, based on my unofficial numbers, I've got the Ravens as having just over $105M committed toward next year's cap with 38 players under contract. This year's cap was $102M and it's reported to be going up to $109M in 2007.

The Ravens have 4 RFAs (Sams, Darling, Moore, Rimpf) and 7 EFAs (Katula, Mike Smith, Prude, Ross, Oglesby, Haley, Nduwke), who are not yet counted in that number (since they aren't tendered until next Feb.). Tendering all of them would cost another approx. $7M against the cap.

That would put us at approx. $3M OVER the cap. As such, I see no way they can franchise AD at $8M, without cutting a lot of quality players to do so.

Now, part of the $105M committed is for Jamal, who presently will count $11.667M against the cap. That obviously isn't going to happen. If he's released he will only count $3.33M against the cap, which would put them a little under $104M committed, leaving them with a little over $5M with which to re-sign some of our FA and get the draft picks signed. But, that would only leave them with Anderson, Daniels and Ross as RBs on the roster, so that's another area that would need to be addressed. Or, they could redo Jamal's deal which would probably mean a cap number more in the $4-5M range, which would still be a substantial cap savings.

Luckily, we only have 7 UFA and, other than AD and Pashos (since we appear to have no real heir-apparent), none - Musa, Jarret Johnson, Mughelli, Sapp, Franklin - are critical, and most could be re-signed for relatively cheaply. As such, we won't have a lot of spaces to fill and we will have 10 draft picks (7 - 2 for McNair and Sapp + 1 for LaCasse + 4 comp picks).

So, without redoing some of the larger contracts (which isn't necessarily a smart thing given the ages of those players), they are going to have a tough time retaining AD, IMO.



If we win the SB and both Ray and JO decide to retire (or even if one of the two decide, which is not outside the realm of possibility), wouldn't that save us even more money? Ogden has a huge cap number (I believe around $15 or 16M). If both come back, maybe we could re-do both deals and give them more upfront money while significantly lowering their cap numbers.

Have at it, B-Ravor.

[ravensfan86]

Thanks B-Ravor. Your insight is priceless. I would hate to see him go, but I understand he wants his one big payday. I think Joey Porter will be a FA after this season which may or may not affect AD's price. I think a team like Cleveland or San Fran or Jacksonville who is familiar with AD as a player, will scoop him up with an offer steeper then the Ravens. Then it comes down to if AD wants to stay here or leave for bigger dollars.

[B-more Ravor]

If we win the SB and both Ray and JO decide to retire (or even if one of the two decide, which is not outside the realm of possibility), wouldn't that save us even more money? Ogden has a huge cap number (I believe around $15 or 16M). If both come back, maybe we could re-do both deals and give them more upfront money while significantly lowering their cap numbers.


Well, I really don't think they want to stretch either of their deals out any longer. Ray is signed through 2008, Ogden through 2010. Extending either deal to free up cap space next year would only create more cap woes in the future when their careers and production are winding down. The Ravens have a pretty clean cap right now - just a little dead money next year and they haven't done any restructures - and I think they'd like to keep it that way. I really don't think they want a repeat of 2002.

Ray's cap number for next year is $9.429M. If he retires, or is released or traded, then he would count $5.858M against the cap, which would be a savings of $3.571M.

Ogden would save them a little cap space if he were to retire or be released (not that that's going to happen), but they still would be carrying a major chunch of dead money. His cap number for next year is $8.791M (which is actually less than his 2006 cap number because the final pro-rata bonus share from his prior contract ended in 2006). But, he still has $8.042M in unaccounted for bonus money that would accelerate and count against the cap as "dead money". As such, they only save around $750K against the cap. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens put some kind of recovery language in his new deal by which he would have to return some of the bonus money if he unexpectedly retired early in the deal. Otherwise, that could be a killer - No JO and $8M in unuseable cap space.

EDIT - I edited JO's numbers which I was off on. They would actually save some cap space, not lose space as I had originally said, if he retired. I'm sure his contract has some recovery language, but it would be interesting if they would actually pursue that given how much he has meant to the franchise.

[B-more Ravor]

BTW, this offseason will be interesting when it come to Ray. Will his resurgence lead him to again ask for a new deal? He's going to pocket $6.5M in each of the next 2 seasons, so it's not like he's getting chump-change, but they may feel compelled extend him, especially if he leads them deep into the playoffs. It would make him happy and it would open up some cap room in 2007 (but reduce cap room in 2008 and beyond).

Or would you sacrifice him - his trade value would certainly be greater this year - in order to keep AD? There's $3.5M in cap savings for 2007 and his $9.429M cap number for 2008 would also be wiped totally off the books creating much need cap space to re-sign Suggs.

To be clear, I'm not saying I would do that, but it does make for an interesting scenario.

[highwater]

Or would you sacrifice him - his trade value would certainly be greater this year - in order to keep AD?

This is a very interesting question, and I think that most of us, if not all of us, hope it never comes down to that. "That" being a decision in which the FO has to choose between Ray and AD.

I hope that Ray doesn't ask (again) for a new deal, but who knows. I actually think, perhaps with a great deal of hope, that the success of the team will be more important to him than a new deal. If we make it to the Super Bowl, and look like we could do it again next year, that might be more important to Ray than getting an extension.

[PurpleRulz]

If it allowed us to keep AD, I would give Ray a new deal. If there is a choice between the two, I would keep Ray Lewis. For all anyone knows, AD could be a product of our defensive system.

I will say that I would NOT keep AD if it meant that we could not keep Terrell Suggs and Bart Scott.


Another question, B Ravor concerning the cap and UFAs.

1. How much money would we save by cutting Rolle, Mike Anderson, Keydrick Vincent, and Jamal Lewis. These are cut that realistically could happen after the season.

2. Aside from AD, will we be able to re-sign Mughelli (whose price is going up with his recent success), Pashos (who should not cost much), and Jarrett Johnson (who also should not cost much of anything?

[B-more Ravor]

1. How much money would we save by cutting Rolle, Mike Anderson, Keydrick Vincent, and Jamal Lewis. These are cut that realistically could happen after the season.

Well, as I said above, Jamal is going to get cut or they will redo his deal - he is not going to be around at $11.667M against the cap. If he is released, he will only count $3.33M against the cap, which is a cap savings of $8.337M. If he were to sign a new deal, it would probably put his new cap number in the $4-5M range, which would still mean a sizeable cap savings - $6.667-7.777M.

Both Flynn and Vincent could be candidates for release, but they may be reluctant to release both in the same year. Flynn's cap number for next year is $2.8M and releasing him will cost them $1.6M, so they'd save $1.2M by doing so. Vincent's cap number for 2007 is $2.016M. In the final year of his deal, he will only cost them $416K against the cap to cut, so they'd save $1.6M by releasing him. If one goes, IMO, it would be Vincent. Flynn can play both OC and OG and he is like a coach on the field with the line calls, so he would be a quality reserve.

Mulitalo could also be a candidate, but the cap savings would only be minimal, given his cap number of $2.850M and his unaccounted for bonus shares of $2.551M. As such, a savings of $300K isn't much of a reason to release him.

That said, when it comes to Flynn and Mulitalo (assuming Vincent is probably gone anyway), it could very well be that they release either of them, not for the cap savings in 2007, but to clear them off of the books for 2008 (assuming they are released before June 1). As such, there would be no lingering cap implications in 2008, which would be the case if they keep them for 2007, but looked to release them in 2008. Sometimes teams need to look forward in terms of cap implications when making decisions on who to cut, even if it doesn't have a major impact on the present year.

Cutting Anderson makes little sense IMO, since he is already under contract and is the only starting quality RB signed for next year. Further, his cap number for next year is $1.7M and cutting him would cost them $1.5M, so the savings would only be $200K, which is far to little to sign anyone to replace him.

As far as Rolle goes, and while understanding that he is the new whipping boy on the team, he will actually cost them more to cut than to keep. His cap number for next year is $5.2M, While the unaccounted for bonus shares equal $6.6M, so it would cost them an additional $1.4M to release him.

I just don't see that happening unless they released him after June 1 (or used one of their 2 pre-June 1 releases that can count as a June 1 release - although the cap relief still doesn't hit the books until June 1). If they did that, then Rolle would only count $2.2M against the 2007 cap - giving them a savings of $3M - but would have to carry $4.4M in "dead money" against the 2008 cap.

Post-June 1 releases of the others mentioned would be as follows:

Anderson - costs them $500K in 2007, saving them $1.2M in 2007, but costing them $1M in "dead money" in 2008.

Flynn - costs them $800K in 2007, saving them $2M in 2007, but costing them $800K in "dead money" in 2008.

Mulitalo - costs them $850K in 2007, saving them $2M in 2007, but costing them $1.7M in "dead money" in 2008.

Vincent will be in the last year of his deal, so there would be no post-June 1 cap savings.



2. Aside from AD, will we be able to re-sign Mughelli (whose price is going up with his recent success), Pashos (who should not cost much), and Jarrett Johnson (who also should not cost much of anything?

I would think they will be able to find a way to get those guys re-signed if they want them. Picking late, their rookies aren't going to be costing too much against the cap, so getting a couple of those guys re-signed shouldn't be too difficult.

[MrPoeJangles]

Adam Shefter reported on Total Access on the NFL Network last night that talks between the Ravens and AD have broken down and they have decided to let him test the market. Sorry no link, it was on TV.

[52decleetzu]

Adam Shefter reported on Total Access on the NFL Network last night that talks between the Ravens and AD have broken down and they have decided to let him test the market. Sorry no link, it was on TV.

I saw it,and I dont remember him using the words "broken down" he said that AD is going to test his market value after the season,nothing we didnt already know.

[B-more Ravor]

Here's the article:

Ravens' Thomas, Bucs' Simms eyeing market

By Adam Schefter
NFL Analyst


CINCINNATI -- Baltimore versus Cincinnati in the Thursday night showdown on NFL Network offers assorted storylines.

Here are two more:

The Ravens have resigned themselves to the probability that their standout strongside linebacker Adalius Thomas, who is second in the AFC and fifth in the NFL with nine sacks, is going to test the free-agent market this winter.

A long-term contract agreement seems to be out of reach, and the Ravens have accepted that Thomas will test the free-agent waters before deciding what he wants to do with his future.

But this has happened before. Three years ago, Thomas hit the market and found, surprisingly, little interest. His former coaches Marvin Lewis and Jack Del Rio did not attempt to lure Thomas to their respective cities and the linebacker returned to Baltimore.

The same might wind up happening again. But with all the money that all the teams will have available in the free-agent market, it might not. This year, teams view Thomas as more than a special-teams standout, for which he already has been selected to the Pro Bowl. They know he returned a fumble 57 yards for a touchdown last week against the Steelers, and these are the types of plays Thomas has routinely made this season.

Adalius Thomas might make more money elsewhere, the Ravens give him the best chance to thrive.

Soon enough, he will be paid for them. Baltimore believes that, in the end, Thomas is likely to return. The system, in which he can be used at five different positions, suits him too well. But until he does, Baltimore will have to fret about losing one of its top defensive playmakers.




http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9837126

[52decleetzu]

"Baltimore Believes that,in the end,Thomas is likely to return"

Now thats what I like to hear!The only thing AD has going against him is his age,and you know how that scares the living daylights out of most teams when a big signing bonus is on the line.That may be the thing that helps us retain him,because even though he is a great player the consensus is that this is a "young mans league"

[B-more Ravor]

It should be noted that the Ravens rarely enter into contract negotiations with players at this point of the season, so the fact that they have been in this case certainly shows there interest in getting something done.

It also shows that they have a plan and do expect to be able to fit him in under the cap.

That is good to hear.

That said, I fear that someone - DC, Cleveland - will back up the Brinks truck and offer a deal that is just too much for him to pass on.

[Gabrosin]

Someone needs to send him a postcard with Edgerrin James in a Cardinals uniform and his stats for this year. Even great players need a good supporting cast and a compatible system to be superstars. What other defense is going to be able to use Thomas as effectively as ours? I can only think of a few (Pittsburgh, New England, maybe Chicago, and possibly Jacksonville) and I don't know that any of those teams are going to break the bank for him (Chicago probably can't keep Lance Briggs, let alone sign Thomas; Pittsburgh might be facing a youth movement this offseason; New England is a possibility but doesn't tend to give out big money to anyone, including their best players). Jacksonville would be my biggest concern, especially with Del Rio in charge, but they have other needs too. San Francisco, Cleveland, and Cincinnati all have Ravens ties in coaching or front office, and might be tempted to make a run at him, but could any of those defenses put him to his best use? Probably not.

Ravor, do you have a web source for these numbers? I'd love to be able to take a look at our cap situation myself.

[52decleetzu]

It should be noted that the Ravens rarely enter into contract negotiations with players at this point of the season, so the fact that they have been in this case certainly shows there interest in getting something done.

It also shows that they have a plan and do expect to be able to fit him in under the cap.

That is good to hear.

That said, I fear that someone - DC, Cleveland - will back up the Brinks truck and offer a deal that is just too much for him to pass on.


Which is why I said that talks did not "break down" because there are never any in the middle of the season.

[B-more Ravor]

Ravor, do you have a web source for these numbers? I'd love to be able to take a look at our cap situation myself.

Unfortunately, there is no website that I know of that give detailed info on team's salary caps. I've compiled the numbers from different sources over the years - NFLPA.org, USAToday's salary database and media reports from when players signed their contracts.

[Gabrosin]

Unfortunately, there is no website that I know of that give detailed info on team's salary caps. I've compiled the numbers from different sources over the years - NFLPA.org, USAToday's salary database and media reports from when players signed their contracts.

Well, thanks anyway. It would be nice if the cap impact details of NFL contracts were a matter of public record. I don't think it's important for the entire text of every contract to be publicized, because I'm sure there are some private matters involved. But because the pay scale and structure for NFL players has a significant impact on what personnel decisions a team will make from year to year, I don't think fans should be required to guess.

[B-more Ravor]

Well, thanks anyway. It would be nice if the cap impact details of NFL contracts were a matter of public record. I don't think it's important for the entire text of every contract to be publicized, because I'm sure there are some private matters involved. But because the pay scale and structure for NFL players has a significant impact on what personnel decisions a team will make from year to year, I don't think fans should be required to guess.

Well, the Ravens have always been pretty tight lipped about the details of their deals - and The Sun doesn't seem overly interested in reporting about the salary cap - so it has made it a bit harder than say, being a Skins fan ( since they like to announce their latest blockbuster deals and give out all of the details).

Of course, having those details reported is about the ONLY thing I am envious of when it comes to the Skins. :D

Also, ESPN has been a little more lax about giving details as well, probably since Pasquarelli got busted for using an Agent's password to get contract details from restricted area of the NFLPA's website. :179421:

[darb72]

So do we dump Jamal in order to keep AD?

I vote yes.

[RavensNTerps]

trade ray lewis, in a heartbeat, if it means keeping AD.

[jonboy79]

So do we dump Jamal in order to keep AD?

I vote yes.

Re-sign Musa, or draft somebody in the first 2 rds next year?

I vote for the latter.