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Rochardrik

12-06-2006, 03:16 PM

The Ravens will win because: They have never lost a game on Dec. the 11th, Kansas City is 1-5 in games in December on days with a 0 in them. The Ravens are 5-0 in games in December where the trip is over 500 miles and less than 1000. Of course, all this is false, or at least unresearched, but it means just as much as the 15-2 record for the chieves at home in December, which means nothing. If we are the better team, and we are, and our team shows up ready to play, we will win. So, does that clear it up?:rolleyes:

Fanman

12-06-2006, 03:27 PM

We are the better team by record...yes. But KC has a much better offense and we have the better defense. I see this as a very even matchup. We can only win a low scoring game in the 20-17 range. We can't trade TDs w/ a team like KC.

My hope is we shut down LJ early, get to Green and make them one-dimensional. If LJ has a good day we are in for a long game.

FM

sandiegosean

12-06-2006, 03:50 PM

San diego is a better team than the Chiefs too, and they lost there. The Chiefs just don't lose home games in December.

postalworker

12-06-2006, 04:01 PM

The Ravens will win for the following reasons:

1. They've had almost the equivalent of a second bye week.
2. The defense will shut Larry Johnson down.
3. Billick will have a better offensive gameplan this time out, and the Chiefs won't be able to stop our receivers, who are primed to step up.
4. We'll come to play this week.

highwater

12-06-2006, 05:48 PM

The Chiefs have a well deserved reputation for being tough at home, but they aren't exactly unbeatable. They already lost to the Bengals at home and barely beat the Raiders.

The Ravens should be well rested and hungry for a win after the loss in Cincy. In fact, that loss might help them come up with a better game plan on offense, because what they tried to accomplish on offense in Cincy clearly didn't work. Even the talking heads on ESPN have talked this week about how the Ravens need to stretch the field by throwing long, which they didn't do against the Bengals, so hopefully the coaches have figured that out too. I think they will open up the offense a little bit in this game (at least, I hope so).

darb72

12-06-2006, 05:52 PM

We will win because:
1- We have a great defense. We stop the Chiefs running game and the KC WRs don't have the skills to get away from the man-coverage we'll be running. Our linebackers are athletic enough to at least keep Gonzalez from dominating.

2- McNair is rested and the Chiefs don't have much of a pass-rush or coverage skills (23 sacks and they're allowing a 62% completion rate). Expect roll-outs and underneath routes to go for some big yards. The Chiefs are allowing 10.5 yards a completion.

We will lose because:
1- Trent Green is an accurate passer and the Chiefs line is one of the (if not the) best OLs in the business. Expect 3-5 step drops from KC and Green to get the ball out of his hands quickly. We don't stop the Chiefs running game then we're pretty much out of luck.

2- Jamal can't get anything at all going. The Chiefs allow 3.9 yards a rush (tying them with the Chargers and Broncos, two teams Jamal did nothing against). McNairs elbow is still bothering him. Billick goes stupid like he always does against the Chiefs and tries to throw the ball 50 yards down-field every single play.

highwater

12-06-2006, 06:06 PM

Valid arguments for both sides, darb -- care to make a prediction?

purplepoe

12-06-2006, 06:18 PM

Because I'll be at the game and the Ravens owe me one from making the trip to Denver and sitting through that debacle in the 38 degree rain.

:D

PP

darb72

12-06-2006, 06:24 PM

Ravenswarrior19

12-06-2006, 06:51 PM

Win - LJ won't be able to run on us. That O-line is not the same as the one that ran on us in '04. They've only scored 1 more point than we have this season. Not the prolific offense we all remember.

And 1 more reason-- We have Steve McNair. Yes, the same McNair that was throwing wet ducks all night in Cincy. He has always had another level come December, and another after that come January.

camdenyard

12-06-2006, 07:31 PM

Honestly?

... I think the Ravens lose because of Billicks insistance that our WRs are the deep threats he had with the Vikings. I'd almost promise you we'll see Heap split out wide and going deep at least four times Sunday. Guess where the ball will be headed.

Our offensive line has improved a great deal on the surface but I still think we have problems stopping the pass-rush if we do straight 7 step drop-backs. This could possibly be an even worse offensive showing than the Bengals.

What?

When did Billick ever insist that our WRs or TE are "the deep threats he had in Minnesota"? How many times have we gone deep ALL YEAR? How many times has Heap gone wide and actually had a ball thrown to him deep this year?

And about stopping the pass rush, have you looked at how many sacks the Ravens have given up this year? 16??

Have you watched any Ravens games this year?

Mista T

12-06-2006, 07:33 PM

Win:

#1 Defense

McNair's arm is rested.

darb72

12-06-2006, 11:42 PM

What?

When did Billick ever insist that our WRs or TE are "the deep threats he had in Minnesota"? How many times have we gone deep ALL YEAR? How many times has Heap gone wide and actually had a ball thrown to him deep this year?

And about stopping the pass rush, have you looked at how many sacks the Ravens have given up this year? 16??

Have you watched any Ravens games this year?

Billick goes deep against the Chiefs. He always has, and until he proves otherwise, he always will. Two years ago Boller had a 15 YPC against the Chiefs, the other 15 games he rarely got slightly over 10. Remember three years ago when Boller tossed 3 INTs against the Chiefs? Unless I'm remembering wrong all three INTs came on deep routes where Heap was the target.

I'm not comparing Boller and McNair at all. I'm just using the data that we have on Billicks previous meetings with the Chiefs to see what kind of offensive game plan we might see Sunday.

As to the offensive line, you're right about them only allowing 16 sacks this year, but our game plan has changed since Billick took over.

Through the Panthers game McNair attempted 169 passes and got sacked 10 times, or every 16.9 times he dropped back.

Starting with the Saints game McNair has attempted 202 passes and only been sacked 4 times, or every 50.2 times he dropped back.

I believe, though I could be wrong, that the roll-outs and PA have helped a lot. We didn't see much of either of those with Fassell calling the plays. He ususally just had the QB drop straight back where the defense knew he would be.

Against the Chiefs Billick is probably going to do the 7 step drops and have McNair throwing it really far downfield, based on what he's attempted in the past. Now if we stick to the short stuff and only try to go deep off of the PA, then I think we'll be successful.

Pat McGroin

12-07-2006, 06:15 AM

Ravens win. here's why:

http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USMO0460?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

RavenDavey

12-07-2006, 07:29 AM

Jamal can't get anything at all going. The Chiefs allow 3.9 yards a rush (tying them with the Chargers and Broncos, two teams Jamal did nothing against). McNairs elbow is still bothering him. Billick goes stupid like he always does against the Chiefs and tries to throw the ball 50 yards down-field every single play.

I feel we will win because Jamal will break loose.

Both of those games mentioned above were with Fassel calling plays. Jamal has opened up and looked much better since Billick took over play calling. IMO..Jamal should have been used more against the Bengals last week to open up our offense. We were close in points, yet we kept failing with McNairs passing game in the rain and the running plays became very predictable and were picked up easily by the Bengal defense. Had we pounded Jamal in that game, I feel he would have been the biggest playmaker of the night. For those wondering about Musa Smith and Mike Anderson getting more playing time, look at the Pittsburgh game when Jamal was taken out to rest. They did nothing against a defense that we owned that game!! It is always easy to "look to the other side of the fence"...but the grass is not always greener.

Secondly...McNair!! I think MAC9 will be primed and ready to go after a long break. If Billick chooses (I hope!!) to go long, it will stretch the field and compliment our short underneath passes and our run game....both of which are our stronger points of the offense.

flraven

12-07-2006, 08:40 AM

I feel that we win because of the mini-bye and time to install a game plan. If the Ravens can keep LJ in check (less than 100 yards), they'll have a good shot to win. IMHO, I think they feel a little more sense of urgency now and want to erase the bad taste of the Cincy loss.

Fanman

12-07-2006, 10:29 AM

Throwing the ball down field early is a good strategy in this game.
Esp on third down...even if it's picked off it's like a punt...plus the refs these days are flag happy. Billick has to open up the field and make the KC defense cover the whole field...not just stack the box against Jamal.

This isn't rocket science like Billick makes it out to be.

FM

ravenwoman

12-07-2006, 11:51 AM

The Ravens have yet to beat the Chiefs in their 11 year history. All of the games were here in Baltimore.

It is difficult to win on the road unless your team is clearly superior. Kansas City matches up fairly evenly with the Ravens. Neither team is superior to the other.

Kansas City has a superior offensive line, which will give Larry Johnson an advantage. Trent Green is not shabby, either.

In order for the Ravens to win the following must happen:

1. Ravens control time of possession
2. Steve McNair throws long and spreads the field.
3. Jamal runs for a minimum of 75 yards.
4. The defense gets us some turnovers.
5. Special Teams plays flawlessly.

52decleetzu

12-07-2006, 12:35 PM

Ravens win. here's why:

http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USMO0460?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

Yep,if Derek Anderson can throw all over this defense McNair surely can.Their secondary is the weak link,and they dont have the pash rush to get to McNair so we should be able to move the ball with ease.

On the defensive side of the ball,all we have to do is cover Gonzo in the passing game and we should be fine.LJ will get about 90 yds or so but it wont be enough to help them to a win.We just gave up 13 points to a team that has 3 legitimate threats(4 if you count Rudi) on offense so KC doesnt worry me one bit.

Weather is going to be perfect,and the only time Mcnair hasnt looked good is in inclement conditions.

Ravens 24 Chiefs 17

jbecks307

12-07-2006, 04:04 PM

KC's offense is not even that spectacular...They avergae 21.4 points a game, one tenth of a point more than we do...Second, this is a Herm Edwards team, and I really do not recall any of his Jets Teams finishing the season strong...Third, they are near the bottom of the NFL in terms of forcing turn-overs, and let's be honest, we don't win unless we win the turn-over battle. Fourth, they do allow over a 100 yards (114) a game rushing, and, that seems to be the way we insist on playing, so that is in our favor as well.
So, I think we are looking at a win here, somewhere in the range of 16-14.

Ravens'N'Hoos

12-07-2006, 04:15 PM

I'm not comparing Boller and McNair at all. I'm just using the data that we have on Billicks previous meetings with the Chiefs to see what kind of offensive game plan we might see Sunday.

Yes, but given that all those previous games against the Chiefs were with Boller behind center, don't you think Billick is likely to put together a different game plan for McNair? Clearly arm strength is much more of an advantage for Boller than it is for McNair, although I don't see Steve's arm strength as the major liability others do. So of course Billick would throw downfield a lot with Boller. Plus the last time we played them was two years ago; a lot has changed for both teams since then. I don't think we can read too much into Billick's previous game plans vs. the Chiefs. That said, the downfield passing game needs to go from where it was vs. Cinci - non-existent - to where it was in some of the games in the five-game streak: thrown in at opportune times. Steve has shown he can get the ball downfield when he needs to and his arm is rested - see the Heap TD in the Steelers game as one example.

On that topic, where did you hear Steve's elbow is still sore? What little I'd heard about it indicated it's the kind of thing that pretty much goes away with some rest.

darb72

12-07-2006, 11:30 PM

Yes, but given that all those previous games against the Chiefs were with Boller behind center, don't you think Billick is likely to put together a different game plan for McNair?
Actually I was also considering the first Ravens/Chiefs games where Billick was the head coach. You're right about Billick changing up the game plan though. I just have an feeling that he'll be wanting to air it out. Hopefully I'm wrong and we hit the short stuff and let the recievers do what they're best at.

That said, the downfield passing game needs to go from where it was vs. Cinci - non-existent - to where it was in some of the games in the five-game streak: thrown in at opportune times.
Agreed. I love it off the play-action.

On that topic, where did you hear Steve's elbow is still sore? What little I'd heard about it indicated it's the kind of thing that pretty much goes away with some rest.
Sorry about that, I was just giving great big ol' "ifs". If McNairs arm is still bothering him, we'll need a lot of luck to win.

Didn't mean to make anybody nervous.

PARavensJeff

12-08-2006, 12:00 PM

Ravens win because:

1. - They are pissed after the egg they dropped last Thursday
2. - They are rested & hungry after the egg they dropped last Thursday
3. - They will be fired up & ready, the defense will be a monster & will shut down Johnson & get to Green. Our defense is #1 & will show why.
4. - They know what they are playing for & are a team on a mission.
5. - They want to play for home field, at least try to get the #2 seed & a 1st round bye.

ravensfan86

12-08-2006, 12:26 PM

I am very nervous about this game. Many negatives when looking at the history of the 2 teams. However, we have also won games with this mix of players. I like our chances once again because of 2 players (primary) Pryce on defense (he is very familiar with the cheifs from his years at Denver) and Steve McNair on offense. McNair is very cool when facing adversity. The teams rallies around him. Other players of importance in this game is:

Haloti Ngata (I hope the coaching staff has trained him to protect himself against the cut block).
Bart Scott, Ray, AD. We need them to all be at the top of their game. They will be tested often with LJ and Gonzo. Might see some corner blitzes from CMAC or Rolle. Either might be affective if we can rotate to the open WR in time.

The entire OLINE. They will need to go off of either hand signals or pre-snap count in their head. The crowd is affective there.

skaybaltimore

12-08-2006, 06:10 PM

We will win because:

1. Our D will shut down their offense like nobody else in the league can.
2. McNair should be rested, and if Cleveland could rack up the points they did against KC, I don't think we should have any problems putting up the necessary points (fg's, not td's) we'll need to win. I do think it'll be close, but I see us leaving KC with a "W".
3. We have the motivation to show that we really DO belong in the SB chase, especially after that total embarrassment in Cincy.

Ravens: 15
KC: 12

GO RAVENS!!!

FadeToBlack

12-08-2006, 09:02 PM

The odds are heavily against us because Arrowhead is a tough place to play, but guess what? Baltimore is probably just as tough a place to play - although nobody will ever come out and say such sacrilege in the mainstream sports press - and teams have still come in our house and won. So personally, I wouldn't get too worried about Arrowhead.

The key will be to get off to a fast start. If we do that, we take the crowd out of the game early. Then we just need to hold on to the lead with ball control and excellent defense.

corvuscorax

12-08-2006, 09:23 PM

Ravens win because:

December 10th is my birthday and a Ravens Victory is all I want! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

I'll turn 44 on Sunday, so the final score will be... Ravens 30, Chefs 14 :thumbup:

On December 10th 2000, the Ravens beat the Chargers to clinch their 1st playoff berth ever. :thumbup:

I hereby declare that these reasons are as good as any regarding why we WIN!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

:kewl:

PARavensJeff

12-08-2006, 09:38 PM

Boller hasn't been the QB in all the Chiefs games that were losses. The 1st one under Billick in 99, what a debacle w/ Tony Banks under center on ESPN Thursday night football, we got our butts kicked pretty good, 35-8 or 38-9 or something terrible. So it all hasn't been Kyle's fault, although I'm sure everyone wants to blame him.

RAVENOUS52

12-08-2006, 09:58 PM

We WIN because LJ's day will be brief and unsatisfactory.

Mista T

12-09-2006, 01:07 PM

The 1st one under Billick in 99, what a debacle w/ Tony Banks under center on ESPN Thursday night football, we got our butts kicked pretty good, 35-8 or 38-9 or something terrible.

It was Stoney Case under center. (Tony Banks took over the following week.)

sailorsam

12-10-2006, 06:33 AM

skaybaltimore

12-11-2006, 10:15 AM

I agree with Skay. The Ravens D is at its best stuffing the run, and is quick enough to track down 'speed' backs; plus we've had the extra time off (always good, esp for vets like McNair); and the team will be even more motivated than usual to prove themselves legit (I recall a lot of doubters before the Squealers game). Look for a big turnover to quiet the crowd.
Ravens 23 KC 13Yep.

And speaking of the crowd...for such raucous fans, WHERE WERE THEY by the fourth quarter? I saw a truckload of empty seats before the Chiefs were even officially beyond hope of staging a possible come back. What a bunch of losers!!!

GO RAVENS!!!

PARavensJeff

12-11-2006, 07:27 PM

T, Stoney may have started, & my brain may be fuzzy, but Banks did play. According to http://www.profootballreference.com, Banks was 8/14 for 69 yards, 0 TD/0 INT in that game. The Ravens lost that game 35-8. Case was 15/37 for 103 yards 0TD/3 INT. Thanks for reminding me, that game was so horrible, I washed away parts of it.

darb72

12-11-2006, 11:05 PM

Thanks for reminding me, that game was so horrible, I washed away parts of it.

I dislocated my wrist on purpose to be able to watch that stupid game. The Ravens don't come on local TV all that often, and back then we were so bad we never got Prime Time games. I had to work so I begged and pleaded to go home early but the GM said I couldn't unless I was injured. CRACK I held my arm up, he laughed and said if it was that important I could go ahead and leave.

The actual dislocation didn't bother me at all, but popping it back in hurt so bad I nearly pissed myself.

Then we manage to lose 35-8.