Not a debate, but Boller played

[darb72]

fairly well today.

I said it in the game thread and I'll say it here. The coaches should have Kyle run a mile on the treadmill because he looks like a ProBowler when he's not hopping around like a rabbit on crack.

McNair is and should remain our starter, but Boller has proven he can play so we now have two viable QBs we can win with.

[StingerNLG]

Regardless of those who hate Boller who will come here and marginalize the game, it has to feel good for him today.

It has to feel good to know he came in after playing only one game this year, and winning the game that clinched our playoff spot. And did it overcoming some of his regular problems. He kept his cool and didn't go haywire, and was able to immediately respond to the Browns tieing the game. He won that game and deserved it.

Now that paves the way for McNair to take us to Miami!!

[Sephy]

He looked good. Improved accuracy on the deep ball, but still made some bonehead decisions (though less than before). If he could get those 1-2 "Boller" plays out of his system, he could be a nice QB.

Still too jittery and overthrowing easy reads, though.

[Hook]

He played ok. The big throw was nice. I think he could have played better but considering Kyle Boller came off the bench and clinched a playoff spot there is really nothing to complain about. Lets hope Steve gets back on the field for the road game against the steelers.

[Art-Florida]

There were a couple of "duh" moments, but two TDs, a few breathtaking bombs, and a rating of about 120 should satisfy all but the most venomous of haters. Vive Kyle.

[StingerNLG]

Boller's stat line for the day:

13/21 238 yards, 2TD/1INT. And a fumble.

QB rating for the day: 112.8

With all due respect, that is more than playing "ok".

Sephy, I agree with you too. If he could just stop with the fumbling. The interception was just a bad throw. Now so much a bonehead move as just a bad throw. The fumbling bugs me. If he could get that out of the way he'll be fine.

[purplepoe]

Boller's stat line for the day:

13/21 238 yards, 2TD/1INT. And a fumble.

QB rating for the day: 112.8

With all due respect, that is more than playing "ok".

Sephy, I agree with you too. If he could just stop with the fumbling. The interception was just a bad throw. Now so much a bonehead move as just a bad throw. The fumbling bugs me. If he could get that out of the way he'll be fine.

How long should we wait until he stops the fumbling? How long until he stops acting like a spaz in the pocket?

Look, he did OK today.

The great long bomb coupled with the horrendous throw for the pick.

Let's remember that this is the Browns at home.

Sting.

Do you have confidence that Boller can win a playoff game if need be?

I don't.

PP

[darb72]

Boller got baited into that INT. It happens to all QBs, and he'll probably do it again before his career is over.

The important thing is that his good plays have far out-weighed his stupid plays this year.

[darb72]

How long should we wait until he stops the fumbling? How long until he stops acting like a spaz in the pocket?

Look, he did OK today.

The great long bomb coupled with the horrendous throw for the pick.

Let's remember that this is the Browns at home.

Sting.

Do you have confidence that Boller can win a playoff game if need be?

I don't.

PP


Care to post McNairs stat line against these same Browns?

Or are you going to say that this win didn't count since Boller didn't mount a come from behind win?

Not surprising one of these... people... is going to try to dismiss how well Boller played today.

[purplepoe]

Funny, I thought you weren't going to repsond to me anymore.

I specifically asked Stinger a question and you chose to respond.

I sat there and watched Boller today. He made some nice plays and he made some shitty ones.

He was jumpy in the pocket as usual. He missed some WIDE OPEN guys on some of those runs.

He's a backup QB. Period. He played well enough today for us to win.

He's not good enough to take this team deep into the playoffs.

And I love how you want to compare this game vs the Browns game on the road.

1. He's at home

2. The Browns are so completely decimated by injuries that it's almost sad to see the team they throw out there. They might wear the same uniforms but they aren't the same team. They are hurt and they are now 14 games into another wasted season. But yea, it's the same team.

You love to call people who don't think Boller is the answer as those "people".

What "people" are we?

I've never bashed the guys heart or will. I just don't think he's the answer.

So since you decided to respond to my post, I'll ask you the question.

Do you think Kyle Boller can lead this team to a playoff victory?

And if you do, please explain your reasoning.

PP

[darb72]

Funny, I thought you weren't going to repsond to me anymore.
Yeah, but the thing is I started this thread to see exactly which one of you... people... would come in bashing the guy. It would be very rude of me to ignore you once you provided an answer.

He's a backup QB. Period. He played well enough today for us to win.
So when the backup has a higher QB rating than the starter.... what exactly does that make the starter?

He's not good enough to take this team deep into the playoffs.
Care to prove that? Oh wait a minute... burden of proof never has been a strong suit with you... people... has it?

And I love how you want to compare this game vs the Browns game on the road.
So you're not going to post the stats? Can't say I'm surprised really.

What "people" are we?
I think we all know what... people... y'all are.

Do you think Kyle Boller can lead this team to a playoff victory?
Yep. Because he plays his best ball at home and we're pretty much assured of at least one home game.
Wow. That was easy.

Now let me ask you a question.

Why is it you can't just say Boller had a good game? (Actually that's a rhetorical question since I already answered it for you on the main forum.)

[Mobtown]

Boller had a good game. I really wish he would learn the basic mechanics of the Center/QB exchange.

[Hook]

With all due respect, that is more than playing "ok".
I think ok fits well. There were plenty of bone headed plays today. Granted he came off the bench and preformed well so I am happy with the results. We were lucky we had the number one defense and we were playing the browns, things could of been brutal otherwise. The ravens should have blown this team out of the water. I guess you can marvel at the stats , qb rating etc but All that matter is that we have a W. All this other stuff is nonsense

[darb72]

I honestly thought Mobtown would be one of my least favorite posters, but I can admit when I'm wrong.

I just wish Boller would calm down.

[StingerNLG]

How long should we wait until he stops the fumbling? How long until he stops acting like a spaz in the pocket?


I agree about the fumbling. But I don't think he at all looked like a spaz today. In fact I WILL go far enough to say in both games he played this year he's looked much better in the pocket, and disagree that he looked jumpy. That 77 yard TD throw was a good example of MAYBE McNair teaching him how a simple sidestep to the left can evade a pass rusher for the extra second he needed to throw that pass. In the past he'd just tuck and run.

Again PP, he was 61% passing with 112 QB rating. All QB's make shitty throws. But he made MANY more good throws and decisions than shitty ones, and it came out in the score.

It's wasn't JUST the long bomb. It was the 42 yarder to Clayton that got us the last points on the final drive. It was the 11 play 85 yard drive that led to the first touchdown to Mughelli. And that long bomb came in response to the Browns tearing into our #1 defense a little bit.

As for your question. At home? Boller's home record is insane. If the road to the SB comes through Baltimore, I'd absolutely take my chances with him if McNair wasn't available.

Again, when a QB posts a 60% passing day with 2 TD's and a QB rating of 112, I call that more than "OK". Forget the fact he won a game that we NEEDED to clench a playoff spot.

So forgive me if I found it better than "OK".

[Mista T]

I would have no worries if McNair sat out the rest of the season. Kyle looks ready.

[Greg]

I thought he was a bit jumpy today, but given coming in cold, and not being used to the time the OL was giving him he AT TIMES was a spaz. But at other times when he settled in he played very well.


The great long bomb coupled with the horrendous throw for the pick.

That throw was not horrendous, he was a half second too late throwing that ball. He spotted Mason after he was open and tried to fire it in. Bodden, a very good CB (the guy is a bright spot for them) saw Mason also, got into position and sprung when Boller threw it. That can happen to any QB.

The horrendous throws were those ducks Anderson threw in desperation that somehow he completed. Boller didn't do anything stupid like that.

As for missing wide open receivers, I don't recall too many WIDE OPEN he missed and McNair missed D Will for a TD when he was quite a bit more open in comparison to the one Boller hit.

Boller needs to relax, I honestly believe some hypnosis and relaxation techniques would help him. When he gets into a comfort zone he is a good QB. His center exchanges would go smoother with more comfort as well.

[F Angelos]

Steve Davis said to name 5 Backup QB's better than Boller and he says that Young, Leinart, etc don't count. So I'll say Huard,Garrard,Schaub,Batch,and Rattay. Anyone want to add to the list?

[Losac]

I would have no worries if McNair sat out the rest of the season. Kyle looks ready.
What?!?!?!

[darb72]

You quoted it and you still don't know what it said?

Maybe the letters are to small.

I WOULD HAVE NO WORRIES IF McNAIR SAT OUT THE REST OF THE SEASON. KYLE LOOKS READY.

Did that help, or should I have someone swing by and read it for you?

[purplepoe]

As for your question. At home? Boller's home record is insane. If the road to the SB comes through Baltimore, I'd absolutely take my chances with him if McNair wasn't available.



And I wouldn't.

Just a difference of opinion.

PP

[darb72]

And I'm still waiting for you to post McNairs stats from the first Browns game...

[StingerNLG]

And I wouldn't.

Just a difference of opinion.

I understand that. But you would throw out Boller's record at home, considering it's something goofy like 18-5 or something like that?

[darb72]

Well they did try to throw out a 77 yard pass play.

[purplepoe]

Yeah, but the thing is I started this thread to see exactly which one of you... people... would come in bashing the guy. It would be very rude of me to ignore you once you provided an answer.

Where did I "bash" Boller?

[/QUOTE]So when the backup has a higher QB rating than the starter.... what exactly does that make the starter?[/QUOTE]

Hell, the title of this thread says no debate yet as soon as someone doesn't give your boy enough praise, you seem to raise the question again.

[/QUOTE]Care to prove that? Oh wait a minute... burden of proof never has been a strong suit with you... people... has it?[/QUOTE]

How is it exactly that you want me to "prove" my opinion that Kyle Boller isn't a guy that can lead us to the promiseland. See, that's the problem. You take that as a personal insult or some sort of attack on Boller. It's not.

[/QUOTE]So you're not going to post the stats? Can't say I'm surprised really.[/QUOTE]

Well isn't this ironic. Seems to me if we go back in time, we'll see that Boller's stats were brought into question by his critics and we were quickly lambasted by a certain group because we won and that's all that should matter. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Hypocrisy anyone?

[/QUOTE]I think we all know what... people... y'all are.[/QUOTE]

You can keep labeling people all you want. Assume all you want. Me? I'll keep going to every game, even some road games. I'll cheer this team through and through. Always have. Your problem is you don't like that some people don't praise Boller enough. Then you question their loyalty. Mighty presumptuous of you.

[/QUOTE]Yep. Because he plays his best ball at home and we're pretty much assured of at least one home game.
Wow. That was easy.[/QUOTE]

Gee, a QB who plays his best ball at home. How novel. I should feel confident that Boller can win in the playoffs because he plays his best ball at home? Sorry if that doesn't exactly convince me.

[/QUOTE]Now let me ask you a question.

Why is it you can't just say Boller had a good game? (Actually that's a rhetorical question since I already answered it for you on the main forum.)[/QUOTE]

Boller played a decent game. He did what a backup needs to do. Why isn't that good enough for you?

PP

[purplepoe]

And I'm still waiting for you to post McNairs stats from the first Browns game...


23-41, 264, TD.

You love to post stats all the time.

How about this line.

26-43, 227, TD

On the surface, not a bad stat line for a road game.

It's McNair's line from the Cincy game. He played like crap that day. But his stats don't look too bad. Of all people, I would think you'd know that you have to look a little deeper into a game to see what the real situation was because the stat line isn't the end all be all.

[/QUOTE]Well they did try to throw out a 77 yard pass play.[/QUOTE]

I certainly didn't.


PP

[darb72]

Where did I "bash" Boller?

How long until he stops acting like a spaz in the pocket?
That was simple.

Hell, the title of this thread says no debate yet as soon as someone doesn't give your boy enough praise, you seem to raise the question again.
Funny, I seem to remember someone bringing in a debate before I did.

Do you have confidence that Boller can win a playoff game if need be?

How is it exactly that you want me to "prove" my opinion that Kyle Boller isn't a guy that can lead us to the promiseland. See, that's the problem. You take that as a personal insult or some sort of attack on Boller. It's not.
You stated it as a fact. See...

He's not good enough to take this team deep into the playoffs.

Well isn't this ironic. Seems to me if we go back in time, we'll see that Boller's stats were brought into question by his critics and we were quickly lambasted by a certain group because we won and that's all that should matter. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Hypocrisy anyone?
Hmmm... Now who was it that said "Remember that this is the Browns at home"?
Seems if you're going to say Bollers stats didn't count then we should look at the stats from the previous Browns game.

Your problem is you don't like that some people don't praise Boller enough.
No. I don't like you.
People who love to bash Boller for no reason I generally consider to be a little slow and I fully admit I have little patience stupidity from people who are normally of at least average intelligence. I like most of 'em just fine.

I should feel confident that Boller can win in the playoffs because he plays his best ball at home? Sorry if that doesn't exactly convince me.
Did you actually read what you quoted?
Stinger already answered that question for you.

Boller played a decent game. He did what a backup needs to do. Why isn't that good enough for you?
Because it amuses me to no end to watch you people preface every "decent" game with an excuse as to why he played well.

Why couldn't you just say Boller played well? I honestly didn't expect you... people... to actually do that, but I am curious as to why you couldn't.

[Losac]

You quoted it and you still don't know what it said?

Maybe the letters are to small.

I WOULD HAVE NO WORRIES IF McNAIR SAT OUT THE REST OF THE SEASON. KYLE LOOKS READY.

Did that help, or should I have someone swing by and read it for you?
So why did we bring McNair in this year then if Kyle was ready to lead us to a Super Bowl?

[darb72]

It's McNair's line from the Cincy game. He played like crap that day. But his stats don't look too bad. Of all people, I would think you'd know that you have to look a little deeper into a game to see what the real situation was because the stat line isn't the end all be all.
Didn't we lose that game? Bad comparison.

Believe me I could understand bashing Boller if he had played badly today, or even if we lost.

He put up a 100+ QB rating and while he didn't lead us to a come from behind victory, the defense didn't do their usual great job of stopping the Browns. Boller was a major reason that we won the game to put us in the play-offs.

[darb72]

So why did we bring McNair in this year then if Kyle was ready to lead us to a Super Bowl?
Don't ask me, that was T's quote.

I don't think Boller was ready at the beginning of the season and I'm still not convinced that he is. McNair has obviously helped Kyle a great deal.

[purplepoe]

That was simple.

Talk about thin skin. That's "bashing" to you? For someone who questions people's loyalty and intelligence on a regular basis, you sure fly off the handle at anything said about Boller.


Funny, I seem to remember someone bringing in a debate before I did.

What?



You stated it as a fact. See...

I will certainly state my thoughts on Boller's ability to lead this team to a playoff victory as opinion from here on out.



Hmmm... Now who was it that said "Remember that this is the Browns at home"?
Seems if you're going to say Bollers stats didn't count then we should look at the stats from the previous Browns game.

I didn't say they didn't count.


No. I don't like you.
People who love to bash Boller for no reason I generally consider to be a little slow and I fully admit I have little patience stupidity from people who are normally of at least average intelligence. I like most of 'em just fine.

First of all, it is your opinion that I am bashing the guy. Second, there's been PLENTY of material provided by Boller to use in critiquing his play.


Did you actually read what you quoted?
Stinger already answered that question for you.

Yes, he did. And I told him I disagreed. He can handle that.


Because it amuses me to no end to watch you people preface every "decent" game with an excuse as to why he played well.

Kyle Boller played a decent game today at M&T Bank Stadium. What's amusing to me is your obsession with having everyone agree with your opinion.


Why couldn't you just say Boller played well? I honestly didn't expect you... people... to actually do that, but I am curious as to why you couldn't.

Why do you want so badly for other people to say what you want to hear?

PP

[purplepoe]

fairly well today.



Agreed.

PP

[darb72]

Talk about thin skin. That's "bashing" to you? For someone who questions people's loyalty and intelligence on a regular basis, you sure fly off the handle at anything said about Boller.
You didn't ask for level of bashing. You just said "bashing".


What?
You were complaining about me turning this into a debate. You actually brought the debate in when you asked Stinger if he thought Boller could win a play-off game.

I didn't say they didn't count.
Oh so that wasn't a dissmisive "Remeber this is the Browns at home"?

First of all, it is your opinion that I am bashing the guy.
Uhmmm... nope, I've already shown that you were bashing the guy. Unless calling someone a spaz doesn't count as bashing.

Second, there's been PLENTY of material provided by Boller to use in critiquing his play.
Today? Really?
He can handle that.

Yes, he did. And I told him I disagreed. He can handle that.
Funny thing. I answered your question. Then you posted...

I should feel confident that Boller can win in the playoffs because he plays his best ball at home? Sorry if that doesn't exactly convince me.
It's not exactly obvious from that quote that you could understand what I said. I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. You asked my opinion with the reasoning behind it. I answered.

Kyle Boller played a decent game today at M&T Bank Stadium. What's amusing to me is your obsession with having everyone agree with your opinion.
I don't really care if people agree with my opinion.

Why do you want so badly for other people to say what you want to hear?
This has never been about people saying what I "want" to hear. It's been about people saying what I expected them to say.

[Hook]

I don't believe anyone has bashed boller. Everyone has pretty much echoed this thread's orginal idea. Some people are way too protective and getting upset over nothing. At least it seems that way. HELLO! We Won.

[darb72]

I don't believe anyone has bashed boller. Everyone has pretty much echoed this thread's orginal idea. Some people are way too protective and getting upset over nothing. At least it seems that way. HELLO! We Won.

I've already proven where people bashed Kyle. Thanks for paying attention.

[Hook]

I've already proven where people bashed Kyle. Thanks for paying attention

Darb-be we won.
Unless its a cure for cancer Who cares what you proved.

FWIW, I see ya Tex.

[darb72]

Uhmmm.... you said that you didn't believe anyone bashed Boller.

[Hook]

Someone called boller a spaz in the pocket, sorry but that's not a bash, at least not until he proves he can move around it and be responsible for the ball. If someone said boller looks fidgety in the pocket you would say that was a bash too. In reality he is just stating what he sees.

I'm not saying you did it darbs but some guy got upset because I said he played OK. that's a little too sensitive. We won and we clinched a playoff berth that's the important part, not that boller played ok vs a 4-9 team.

The win is nice and lets leave it at that.

[StingerNLG]

Ok, look. Let's leave this where it is.

Fact is that Kyle Boller yesterday, as NBC Sports said, "stepped in and stepped up". He won the game, and as Drew Forrester said this morning, if we get tot he Super Bowl this will be one of the pivotal games that got us there, and that game belongs to Kyle Boller no matter how much people want to take it away from him.

There will ALWAYS be those that hate Boller no matter what. You always will have the "well, if you take all his throws away, blah blah.". Or "yeah he threw 2 TD's, but he tripped.". That's what makes Baltimore what it is.

And let's just leave it at that.

[purplepoe]

Sting.

You are the new king of wishfull thinking!!!!

It truly is amazing that Boller can create this much banter as the backup on an 11-3 team.

But such is life I guess.

One thing is for sure though....The kid has made his presence felt in the city of Baltimore.

Nobody can argue with that.

PP

[StingerNLG]

PP, have you listened to the radio today? Think I'm the only one talking about Boller today?

I'm also being realistic. The bottom line is that Boller won the game yesterday. He didn't need the defense to bail him out (in fact, he bailed out the defense yesterday after they let Anderson shread them a bit). He got the pass protection he normally NEVER got, and he did what he had to do.

You can call that wishful thinking all you want my friend. But there is the reality of the situation. And I'd say about 95% of the people I've heard on the radio and talked to today understand that.

[purplepoe]

PP, have you listened to the radio today? Think I'm the only one talking about Boller today?

I'm also being realistic. The bottom line is that Boller won the game yesterday. He didn't need the defense to bail him out (in fact, he bailed out the defense yesterday after they let Anderson shread them a bit). He got the pass protection he normally NEVER got, and he did what he had to do.

You can call that wishful thinking all you want my friend. But there is the reality of the situation. And I'd say about 95% of the people I've heard on the radio and talked to today understand that.


I think you misunderstood my comment.

The wishful thinking comment was about just leaving it at that. We know by now that that can most likely never happen.

As for the radio today, I didn't listen because I've decided that listening to the radio on Monday is almost unbearable. 2 weeks ago (Friday actually) after the Bengals game, it was the sky is falling. People throwing the towel in before we even played the KC game. That's when I stopped listening to the irrational crap that people spew. I would assume that after the KC win, those same people were booking their flights to Miami.

Unlike what some people have inferred and said, I never bashed Boller or said he played bad yesterday.

He did what I want a backup to do. Win a game when the starter goes down.

It seems that my reaction isn't good enough or doesn't praise Boller's effort enough.

I don't think it's some crazy notion to still be very, very skeptical about this kid's game.

PP

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Kyle played well today and put up 27 points...Every team inthe NFL would be happy with that and you win 8 outta 10 games when you score that many points.

While I certainly have my doubts about Kyle's ability to be a quality NFL starter in this league, I don't have any doubts about his ability to be a back-up and in that capacity, I think he is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league.

Kyle can play in this league and have a Trent Dilfer like career at the very least. I just don't know how much better he'd be than Dilfer.

[StingerNLG]

Ahhhh, gotcha PP. Once you clarified that, it made perfect sense. :)


I don't think it's some crazy notion to still be very, very skeptical about this kid's game.

I would only disagree in saying last night and today isn't the time for it. And I think a lot of people would agree with that. I think by taking time to be skeptical yesterday very much takes away from what Boller did yesterday. And I think people don't realize how important yesterday's game really was in the grand scheme of our season.



While I certainly have my doubts about Kyle's ability to be a quality NFL starter in this league, I don't have any doubts about his ability to be a back-up and in that capacity, I think he is one of the top 2 or 3 in the league.

I would say getting the snap fumbling under control will vastly increase his chances. Seriously, I think any NFL coach who watches game film of Boller uncorking a ball downfield like that would take that in a heartbeat. And I can think of a couple teams that would take a serious look at Boller.

Houston: David Carr has already been pulled twice for Sage Rosenfels this year alone. And I think they are ready for a change at QB there.

Minnesota: Brad Johnson won't last forever. Their backups are Brooks Bollinger and Tavarius Jackson. Unless they draft a QB next year, neither of those are starters.

Oakland: Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter aren't the answer there either. However, if I were Boller even I'd turn down the chance to play there. That is a hellhole for any player.


A lot can change between now and then too. If Boller can stop fumbling, and still keeps putting up 112 games, the Ravens aren't going to let him go.

[Hook]

He won the game, and as Drew Forrester said this morning, if we get tot he Super Bowl this will be one of the pivotal games that got us there, and that game belongs to Kyle Boller no matter how much people want to take it away from him.

Drew Forrester sure does make you feel warm and fuzzy with that statement. The truth is everyone on the team can say they helped the Ravens get to Super Bowl, that is, if they get there. On Sunday the table was set in regards for the playoffs. Was it pivotal? You could argue that but throughout the season there have been far more pivotal games. Winning this one against the Browns was sweet and its the one that clinched it. However I never for a second thought that we would lose this game - this was a layup.


There will ALWAYS be those that hate Boller no matter what. You always will have the "well, if you take all his throws away, blah blah.". Or "yeah he threw 2 TD's, but he tripped.". That's what makes Baltimore what it is.
I disagree. You can't commit the entire town because they don't slobber over Boller. The people I speak to about Boller don't hate him, they just are nervous when he is in there. IMO They are justified for feeling that way. Did you see anyone booing him when he threw that TD? Hell no, the place went insane. I think most people are happy with the results and are hopeful that Boller continues to play well as a backup. To date that is all he has earned, maybe down the road something may open up but for now he is what he is.

Lets leave it at that.

[StingerNLG]

Drew Forrester sure does make you feel warm and fuzzy with that statement.

Give me a break Hook. Drew HATES Kyle Boller as a QB. Has said so on NUMEROUS occasions. But at least he was man enough to call it like he saw it Sunday.

It didn't make you warm and fuzzy that we locked up a playoff berth with that game? That's pretty sad dude.


However I never for a second thought that we would lose this game - this was a layup.

This is why you're not a head coach in the NFL. No game is a "layup".

Ask the Colts who got beat by the Titans.

Ask New England who got SHUT OUT by the Dolphins with Joey Harrington at QB

Any given Sunday any team can win. No game is ever a "layup", EVER.

BTW, you can disagree all you want, but right in this very forum you have people hoping he fails, saying "well, if you take way his 77 yard TD", and everything I just said. It is what it is man.

[Art-Florida]

"The people I speak to about Boller don't hate him, they just are nervous when he is in there."

Really? Go to YBR and read virtually ANY post by Spike Marlin (or more appropriately-Spite Marilyn)

Closer to home we have Tex (thank the gods for the ignore list) Ritter.

It is people like that who ignite hugger retaliation.

[Hook]

It didn't make you warm and fuzzy that we locked up a playoff berth with that game? That's pretty sad dude.

Pay attention Stienger... we were talking about feeling warm and fuzy with hopes of winning the super bowl not a playoff berth. Your welcomed to feel warm and fuzzy but what is sad I think you feel that way whenever boller takes the field.


This is why you're not a head coach in the NFL. No game is a "layup".
Don't be a dumb-ass. Seriously don't. Where did you get that notion that they are not. The Browns suck. If you want to Go ahead and tell everyone that they are a great team that's on you and don't be surprised if people are looking at you cockeyed. Every Given Sunday is a just a cliche.

[skaybaltimore]

For me, Boller remains a very mixed bag. As far as distance and accuracy, I could possibly see SM making that pass to D Williams (although earlier SM -- before he left the game -- did miss Williams after he'd clearly gotten separation on a similar play), but I do NOT see SM hitting Clayton on that 45 yarder right at the sideline. I do not agree that Boller has no accuracy whatsoever. I also do not agree that Boller is a horrible QB. What seemed evident to me watching him on Sunday is that he continues to drive me crazy with his inconsistency.

As far as who deserved the game ball from Sunday, I'd have to say KB. But by the same token, I kept thinking, as the game progressed, that we need to seriously consider drafting a quality college QB (i.e. Troy Smith, is he's available) because I honestly do not think that the sorts of things that undo the positive contributions that KB offers up will ever cease. It seems to me that there will always be a down side to KB's game that will not get fixed simply by being mentored by SMac.

GO RAVENS!!!

[StingerNLG]

Hook, next time you call me a dumb-ass, don't expect such a kind return.

And you don't know shit about the NFL either. I mentioned two games that apparently you just glossed over because I was right and you were wrong and now you don't know what to other than turn into an asshole.

The fact is, no game is a layup whether you like it or not. And you believing that there is makes you ignorant person when it comes to football.

Now pay attention Hook, and learn to spell my name right or don't address me at all. Understood?

[Hook]

I mentioned two games that apparently you just glossed over because I was right and you were wrong and now you don't know what to other than turn into an asshole.


Actually you are very wrong. The Dolphins and Titans both have shots at the playoffs, sure its a slim chance but still last I checked they are very much alive. We should have blown the Brown up yesterday, those guys are trying to figure out who they are going to take in next years draft pick. So please spare us and stop with the any given Sunday BS.

You seem to be the one marginalizing or intensifying victories for the sake and convenience of defending kyle Boller. Kyle did OK. Ask around, Some people are afraid when he gets to play. Its nothing personal.

One more thing buddy stop crying like a baby when someone says the slightest of criticism of Kyle Boller. Some people may consider that being an asshole or being a dumb-ass.


I am not a hater
I am not a hugger
I am a Ravens fan.

HOOK

[StingerNLG]

Listen carefully because I will only repeat this one last time son. Be an adult and act like one. You want to keep personally attacking me to cover your football ignorance, that is fine. But to try and talk about year dolphins and titans like they are playoff contenders is just a poor way to dodge reality. Sounds like you are the crybaby trying to talk shit after being wrong about something

And only someone with ignorance of the game would think that a team could look past any other team in this league.

Now. Act like a big boy and I'll talk to you like a big boy. Otherwise our conversation is over.

[skaybaltimore]

So if one would realistically give an unbiased evaluation of Boller you would rate him an A for arm strength, a C for accuracy and a D- for poise/decision making.Given the two bullseye bombs Boller planted right on the money, I do not agree with your "accuracy" rating, nor do I think anyone looking at the situation even semi-objectively would either. I also do not agree with your D- on decision making. I'd give him a C-, which is below average, and while it's not a D-, I do consider it to be a serious deficiency given his tenure and experience. For me, it's poor enough of a grade to say "pass" on Boller, and look elsewhere for a future QB.

But to say C for accuracy is just way off. By that standard, I think McNair would earn a C- or worse for accuracy, given how many passes of less than 10 or even 5 yards he's been unable to complete throughout the season. Yet, I would still prefer SM to KB with everything on the line, all other things being considered. (i.e. assuming SM is not hurt) I found myself many times throughout the game thinking: "Ok...NOW I understand why they needed to bring in SM, and I'm glad he's here, and I hope we win this game -- Boller makes me very nervous".

GO RAVENS!!!

[Hook]

For me, Boller remains a very mixed bag. As far as distance and accuracy, I could possibly see SM making that pass to D Williams (although earlier SM -- before he left the game -- did miss Williams after he'd clearly gotten separation on a similar play), but I do NOT see SM hitting Clayton on that 45 yarder right at the sideline. I do not agree that Boller has no accuracy whatsoever. I also do not agree that Boller is a horrible QB. What seemed evident to me watching him on Sunday is that he continues to drive me crazy with his inconsistency.


That was a great pass and I was happy Boller connected. He drives many people crazy with his inconsistencies. If we support him, he will be a great raven. I just know it.


Otherwise our conversation is over.
Our conversation has been over the moment You got insulted that I said Kyle did OK and when you got your titties in a knot because some people were taking out some of Boller stats to prove points. I think You are just too busy wipin kyle boller cum off your face to realize it, gheeseman. "Ok" is a C- like SkyBalt said.

[skaybaltimore]

That was a great pass and I was happy Boller connected. He drives many people crazy with his inconsistencies. If we support him, he will be a great raven. I just know it.
I wish that were the case, but I don't share your optimism that somehow by supporting Boller it'll transfer the necessary confidence to him, or whatever it is that he needs to stop being so hyper when he's standing over the center. Even the announcer noted that Boller was trying to hurry back too quickly away from the center, and that he needs desperately to find a way to get more calm. How much more time and support does he need? I feel I have been a Boller supporter, although not a Boller hugger. I felt that in the past he had gotten an unfair "rap" due to the poor quality of his supporting cast. I thought that the majority of his "trips" were the result of the center stepping on his foot as he was pulling back.

But after nearly a full season of watching McNair, I saw something different yesterday. Boller just falls over his own feet sometimes; does not do whatever it takes to get the snaps cleanly; and just cannot control his focus while in the pocket. I've seen SM execute drive after drive this year that has accomplished exactly what it was intended to do -- control the ball, the clock, keep our D, and the opposing QB, on the bench. Sunday, it was back to the same old: "Uh oh....better hold our breath; you never quite know what Boller's going to do."

It's either feast or famine with him. And personally, I don't like that feeling. And while I'm neither a mind reader nor a lip reader, I could swear that even the players themselves were beginning to feel the same old sort of frustration, albiet mitigated by some of Boller's super passes.

I have nothing against him, but I do not agree that he is or should be the future QB of the Ravens. But I wish him well in his current role as backup QB. I'm just in no hurry to see him again, as long as SM is healthy.

GO RAVENS!!!

[StingerNLG]

Alrighty Hook. It's apparent that you are a child and can't be a fucking adult. So on top of having very little knowledge when it comes to football, you've also become a dick. Time for a timeout for you little boy. It's on the ignore list for you.

When you think you can be a big boy and talk like the rest of us, let me know and we'll let you come back to the adult table.

BTW, I didn't get insulted. I debated with you. But you turned into a 3 year old child. But since you have the football knowledge of a 3 year old, now I see why.

Now go fuck off.

[Mista T]

How about everyone take a deep breath and knock off the fuck you's etc..... We all want the Ravens to go to the Super Bowl, regardless of who takes the snaps.

[skaybaltimore]

Props, Mista T. But this whole Boller thing really seems to bring out the worst in folks.

GO RAVENS!!!

[skaybaltimore]

I am judging Boller based on his entire career, not just this season. So as you can see, McNair is a major improvement over Boller, and his career QB ratings support it.Not really. Because your criteria are skewed, IMO; particularly the part about "based on his entire career", because it doesn't take into consideration improvement and progress. It sounds to me as if you're living more in the past, while the game is played in the present.

GO RAVENS!!!

[FadeToBlack]

fairly well today.

I said it in the game thread and I'll say it here. The coaches should have Kyle run a mile on the treadmill because he looks like a ProBowler when he's not hopping around like a rabbit on crack.

McNair is and should remain our starter, but Boller has proven he can play so we now have two viable QBs we can win with.

I'm not sure of that. Kyle Boller is like a Diet Rex Grossman. He's hot one moment and absolutely stone cold the next. I want a consistent quarterback whose performance I can predict week-to-week in the postseason.

[skaybaltimore]

I'm not sure of that. Kyle Boller is like a Diet Rex Grossman. He's hot one moment and absolutely stone cold the next. I want a consistent quarterback whose performance I can predict week-to-week in the postseason.I think that pretty much reflects how I feel.

GO RAVENS!!!

[highwater]

Kyle Boller is like a Diet Rex Grossman. He's hot one moment and absolutely stone cold the next.

I don't really agree, but I have to admit I love the "Diet Rex Grossman" description. That's pretty good! (And although I don't totally agree, I do see the point).

[highwater]

Oops -- double post, for some reason.