Ravens Pro Bowlers

[TL24x7]

Starters: J.O., AD and Ed Reed

Subs: CMac, Terrell Suggs

Alternates: Ray Lewis, Todd Heap, Matt Stover, Gary Stills

[Sephy]

Ray as an alternate is pretty shocking.

Stills got robbed, damnit!

[RavensNTerps]

Pryce not even being an alternate is simply insane.

[Civic812]

my biggest complaint is where is Bart Scott and Trevor Pryce. I would have liked to see good ole Buddy Lee also but the first two are the most shocking to me.

[Gwaihir]

Just goes to show you that the whole Pro-Bowl thing is a joke and nothing but a popularity contest! There is no way they could leave Bart Scott, Trevor Pryce, and Kelly Gregg off of a real Pro-Bowl Team! And Gary Stills as an alternate is absurd!

[psuasskicker]

Kelly Gregg should definitely be going. He's a plugger in the middle...doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he does. Stills got screwed too.

Ray, Scott, and Pryce could have complaints, but it's tough to say they deserve going over someone else who's going in their place. FWIW, Scott's up against some real tough competition. Imagine what the league would say if we sent three OLBs to the Pro Bowl...

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[HDDream]

Ray, Scott, and Pryce could have complaints, but it's tough to say they deserve going over someone else who's going in their place. FWIW, Scott's up against some real tough competition. Imagine what the league would say if we sent three OLBs to the Pro Bowl...
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On the ballot, the Ravens were listed in a 3-4 defense, so Pryce was listed as as an interior lineman (and I easily would have knocked off both Hampton and Seymour for him), while Scott was listed as an ILB along with Ray. Lewis not making the Pro Bowl because of Zach Thomas leaves a bitter taste, as does Stills not making it.

Oh, and though second alternates weren't announced, I suspect that McNair was the the second alternate at QB in the AFC.

[Dont Know]

Players suspended for steroid abuse should not be going to the Probowl. Suggs should be a starter.

[purplepoe]

I'd be much happier seeing Scott, Pryce, and Gregg go than both Suggs and Reed.

Ray as an alternate is a "whatever" to me.

Heap should go over Gonzalez IMO.

Casey Hampton over Gregg?

Pryce is tied for 3rd in the NFL in sacks and has been playing out of his mind lately.

The worst part is that the fans are only 1/3 of the vote, not all of it.

PP

[psuasskicker]

Pryce should be a reserve DE. Gregg without a doubt should be in front of Hampton. Pryce could make that argument as well, but Gregg is a factor on almost every defensive play. Pryce makes impact plays, but Gregg plays well all the time.

Stills not going is a joke.

Heap over Gonzo? No...I don't think so. Both are good blockers. Gonzo leads his team in receptions and his YPC is 2 higher than Heap with almost an equal number of TDs, in one fewer game.

Scott. Great LB. No way on earth he should be going over Merriman.

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[purplepoe]

Yea, Im OK with Gonzalez over Heap I guess. Leading his team isn't really a factor to me because he's their only legit target. That helps his numbers but also shows that he can make plays while being doubled alot.

But it's a toss up IMO.

Listening to the radio today made me laugh.

You'd think the Ravens just got knocked out of the playoffs or something. People completely freaking out over our pro bowl snubs.

I'd be willing to bet that 80% of those people don't even watch the game.

PP

[Greg]

Scott. Great LB. No way on earth he should be going over Merriman.

Disagree, juice monkeys shouldn't go. He was obviously on the juice earlier in the season and he should sit it out. There should be no awards such as DPOY or MVP nor should Pro Bowl honors be bestowed on somebody who has cheated.

[Jggjaron]

Todd Heap should be a starter. Pryce should be there as well, come on the blocked field goal should have put him in there automatically.

[purplepoe]

London Fletcher got snubbed too.

PP

[psuasskicker]

I'd be willing to bet that 80% of those people don't even watch the game.

More than that probably watch no one but the Ravens when they do watch. Ray's had a very good season this year, but so has Hardy. Overall I'd guess most people haven't watched most people that got selected.

Now, with all of that said, there's certainly an argument to be made for sending Baltimore and San Diego's entire front seven with Jason Taylor...

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[psuasskicker]

PS - I don't think it's "obvious" Merriman was juiced. I actually think the opposite...it seems obvious to me he wasn't, in the same way it seems obvious Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone.

[highwater]

PS - I don't think it's "obvious" Merriman was juiced. I actually think the opposite...it seems obvious to me he wasn't, in the same way it seems obvious Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone.

Wow, that's the craziest comparison of anything I've heard all year long. You are either a member of Merriman's family or someone who doesn't know the facts of this matter. It seems pretty obvious from his weak denials that he did indeed get juiced ("Uh, I took a supplement that was tainted, but, uh, I don't have any of it left, and, uh, I can't tell you what that supplement was or who the company was that manufactured it.") Yeah, right. To compare that to Ray's sitiuation is ridiculous.

I am disappointed that Pryce and Gregg didn't make it, but not shocked. Maybe this will just give them more motivation, although I doubt that Pryce even cares that much about the Pro Bowl. I think they all have their eyes on the big prize.

[RavensInBrazil]

What is really laughable is that Roy Williams and DeAngelo Hall made the Pro Bowl

[Ravenshon]

To me Ray Lewis deserves to be in the Pro Bowl the most. So does Pryce and Scott. Lewis is the face of the franchise. Pryce leads the team with 12 sacks. How can you not select Pryce for the Pro Bowl especially when you have as many as sacks as you had last season? Just to show you that the Pro Bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. This is a joke!

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

I am disappointed that Pryce and Gregg didn't make it, but not shocked. Maybe this will just give them more motivation, although I doubt that Pryce even cares that much about the Pro Bowl. I think they all have their eyes on the big prize.

:iagree: If this doesn't motivate us to win the BIG prize, than I'll be quite surprised!:179421: If I am Brian Billick, I'm using this as bulletin board material:thumbup: Not like Ray Ray really needs the motivation

[StingerNLG]

The fact that Shawn Merriman is going to the Pro-Bowl actually diminishes what the Pro-Bowl is. To me, it turns the entire process into a joke. The man was suspended for 4 games for juicing, and he makes the roster??

Even if you step back from the purple kool-aid, and try to be objective, there is no way Trevor Pryce doesn't get the nod. Kelly Gregg as well. You've heard his name a LOT this year too.

It boggles the mind. And I really do hope the Ravens go into the playoffs with a sizable chip on their shoulders. And now I hope we have to play the Chargers so I can watch Merriman time and time again be stopped and shoved aside.

[TTRaven]

The only true snubs for the Ravens IMO are Pryce and Gregg. Ray is where he should be compared to the other MLB's this season. Another guy who got snubbed big time was Demeco Ryans. He's played lights out this entire season.

[Dont Know]

Wow, that's the craziest comparison of anything I've heard all year long. You are either a member of Merriman's family or someone who doesn't know the facts of this matter. It seems pretty obvious from his weak denials that he did indeed get juiced ("Uh, I took a supplement that was tainted, but, uh, I don't have any of it left, and, uh, I can't tell you what that supplement was or who the company was that manufactured it.") Yeah, right.

Don't forget that he was also going to sue the manufacturer when the story broke. That hasn't happened. Gee, I wonder why....

[Big Biff]

Gregg has been mentioned as someone that SHOULD be in the ProBowl for each of the past 4-5 games on TV. There is no doubt that his talents are known....why he's not there is anybodys guess... :insane:

[UKRavenStockers]

Suggs going as an LB over Scott is just lunacy, Suggs is even listed as a DE on nfl.com so why he's in the OLB votes I have no idea.

Gregg not going is lunacy and also down to the NFL for some reason putting 3-4 DEs in with DTs this year, considering the OLBs who get the most votes a 3-4 rush guys then why not give the 3-4 ends their due respect.

Pryce should be there over Burgess, sure Burgess is a better outside rusher, but he can't touch Pryce in terms of his all-round game.

For my money Ray's lucky to be an alternate really, sure's he's been perfectly decent but there are other MLBs who are running about and covering the field far better than Ray this year, Ray's not needed to be at his best because Bart and AD have been, but guys like DeMeco Ryans and others have been better than Ray this year.

[Filmstudy]

What is funny to me is this...

Let's say Pryce gets 3 or 4 sacks in the last 2 weeks to lead the NFL. It's a long shot, but he's 1.5 behind Schoebel and .5 behind 3 others. Then examine DPOY:
1. The Ravens have by far the best defense in the NFL, particularly when penalties and turnovers are added in (428 less Pen yards than Chicago, 234 less than Miami).
2. There should be a very heavy sentiment to give the award to a Raven.
3. It's been a very balanced team effort with many players complimenting each other. The supporting cast on the Ravens is astounding:
--Ngata (many long ramblings in my D-Line posts that I won't repeat here) having perhaps the best "platoon" season in the NFL. His yards per play defensively lead the Ravens.
--Landry has stepped up as a rookie with a good tackle total, 4 int's and 2 sacks.
--Ray has really been a support player and leader this season rather than the primary playmaker. That's not bashing and I think it's great he can force the run outside.
--Finally, Cory Ivy has got to be the best nickel I've seen this year, and is the Ravens best corner since Bailey in 2000. Bailey was always around the football, and his value was apparent in the dark years of Carnell Lake and Dale Carter that followed. Even Deion could not match Bailey's intensity and playmaking skills. Chad Williams was terrific as a Dime, but Ivy is really something special.
4. The Ravens have a spate of Playmakers, each of whom could have piled up even better stats had they been cut loose:
--Thomas has 10.5 sacks, but he only rushes the QB on about 40% of pass plays. In fact, his decoying has significantly increased the productivity of others in that respect. With a mix of duties, he's been held to just 76 tackles, which also is not going to get it done for DPOY. Kinda like asking Roger Clemens to start half the time and act as your closer half thetime. He'd help you, but would not generate the eye-popping numbers.
--Suggs rushes the passer about 85% of passing plays, but his stats also suffer from not being a specialist in anything. Greatly improved vs. the run, he can also sniff out a screen play like I never thought he could when he was a 1-dimensional pass rush threat in 2003. He is 5th in PD's (6), 10th in tackles (58), and 8th in FF's (3). His off year in sacks (8) is still 13th best among NFL DL's.
--Scott has been terrific with 93 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 8 PD's, and 2 INT's. The final 3 numbers are all in the top 7 for NFL linebackers. The tackles totals for all Ravens suffer about 10% shrinkage due to the reduced number of plays (819 against is the fewest in the NFL), few runs (23.9 rushes per game is 3rd lowest. and very low completion % against (55.6%, 2nd). Simply put, there are not that many tackles to go around, and a mess of great players are sharing them.
--Gregg has had a tremendously productive year at DT. Only Vonnie Holliday, who is the bigegst Pro Bowl snub in the NFL is having a better year for piling up tackles (Holliday also has 7 sacks. How the hell did that guy miss the pro bowl playing DT?).
5. Back to Pryce. He's the Ravens obvious candidate for DPOY if he can take the sack crown.
--He's our only real specialist on the entire defense.
--Has done his job very well
--Has been the biggest upgrade to one of the great defenses of the decade.
--His sack totals have been held down some by the fact that he lines up on the inside a fair amount
--He's got the game-winning block in Tenn for bonus highlight footage to go with the award announcement
--He is one of the disciplined cornerstones in keeping the NFL's least penalized defense just that

The media may have decided the award was going to Urlacher in week 3, but I hope they realize we've got the man right here and vote him the award despite the Pro Bowl snub. It's OK to be wrong if you admit it. TO proved that.

[RavenDavey]

Thanks Filmstudy!!! We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL! Tagliabue is even gone and we still get NO RESPECT!!

[Greg]

PS - I don't think it's "obvious" Merriman was juiced. I actually think the opposite...it seems obvious to me he wasn't, in the same way it seems obvious Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone.
Dude, I have no idea why are you bringing Ray Lewis into this or what your problem is. The guy was deemed a cheater by the league and suspended 4 games for it. That means he was cheating during the first part of the season and thus his season is in question. He should not be considered for any honors or awards.