The Good And The Bad (Week 16)

[PurpleRulz]

The Good:

1. We are the 2nd seed. Colts Lose! Colts Lose!

2. We are 12-3. And it is no accident.

3. Adam Terry did very well in place of JO. Our future looks bright at LT.

4. Our defense is sick. 5 more sacks and two INTs.

5. Dawan Landry. 6 INTs. Does anyone miss Will Demps?

6. D-Will and Mark Clayton. This is our future! Mark had 7 catches for 110 yards and a TD. DWill had a TD catch and could have had two if McNair had not of missed him on that route.

7. Steve McNair. Forget the 2 INTs. This guy is the reason we are 12-3 and the second seed.

8. Ovie Mughelli must be re-signed now.

9. The OL did well in run blocking and pass blocking. We have come a long way in pass blocking.

The Bad:

1. Why did Billick call a TO with 11 seconds left in the first half. The Steelers had no TOs and they were confused as what to do. The Steelers should have never had those 7 points.

2. Play calling. Why were we passing at the end of the first half when the games was at hand? Why were we passing when Jamal was running Steelers over.

3. These penalties must end when we get into the playoffs. CMAC and Suggs must gain some discipline and intelligence when the playoffs begin. I do not want another playoff lost because of a stupid penalty as the one Zeus committed in the playoffs in 2003.

[Sephy]

Agreed on all counts except for play calling. I think it was very good, and the Ravens were going for the kill in the first half.

[WxKevin]

The Bad:

2. Play calling. Why were we passing at the end of the first half when the games was at hand? Why were we passing when Jamal was running Steelers over.


Jamal was? Do you mean the end of the second half? I thought the play calling was very good. In fact I would say it belongs in "The Good".

The penalties was the most disappointing aspect of the game. Too many false starts and another stupid Personal foul on Suggs.

But come on....this was a gerat win!!!

[Dont Know]

The Good:
1. Why did Billick call a TO with 11 seconds left in the first half. The Steelers had no TOs and they were confused as what to do. The Steelers should have never had those 7 points.

Billick in his post game interview said that he did not call that time out. Instead a defensive player on the field called it.

On the wbal post game show, they made a good case for calling that time out. Basically they had a nickel package on the field and wanted to defend against the run primarily given that it was like half a yard to go.

In hindsight, that move didnt help, but to me that is a good defensive personel decision.

[RockyMRaven]

I think it was AD who called that TO

[StingerNLG]

Forget the 2 INTs.

Amazing hypocrisy. And that's all I'll say about that.



Dawan Landry. 6 INTs. Does anyone miss Will Demps?

Think Will Demps misses Baltimore?? :)



Adam Terry did very well in place of JO. Our future looks bright at LT.

I was impressed with him today. Also continue to be impressed with Tony Pashos. I think we actually have our bookends taken care of now. And for both run and pass blocking. I don't even remember a time we had that.

[PurpleRulz]

Amazing hypocrisy. And that's all I'll say about that.




Think Will Demps misses Baltimore?? :)




I was impressed with him today. Also continue to be impressed with Tony Pashos. I think we actually have our bookends taken care of now. And for both run and pass blocking. I don't even remember a time we had that.


Let's just hope we re-sign Pashos, and I have confidence that we will. I do feel better about our future at LT and RT. I will tell you that Adam Terry is better than Robert Gallery.

[Art-Florida]

Last week one interception was a big deal, but this week we have to forget two interceptions?

OK, it was such a great win, I guess I can forget them...until the next hate session starts.

[StingerNLG]

Let's just hope we re-sign Pashos, and I have confidence that we will. I do feel better about our future at LT and RT. I will tell you that Adam Terry is better than Robert Gallery.

I think a decision is in the works between keeping Mughelli, Pashos, or AD, or some combination of those. It's a hard call to make, although AD should be the priority. We need Pashos, and Mughelli has just become a really good fullback for us, especially with his catching ability.

[PurpleRulz]

I think a decision is in the works between keeping Mughelli, Pashos, or AD, or some combination of those. It's a hard call to make, although AD should be the priority. We need Pashos, and Mughelli has just become a really good fullback for us, especially with his catching ability.


I agree and we know that Ozzie always prefers to keep our own. I feel Mughelli and Pashos will be back and want to be back. Look at how good that 2003 draft is now, but not as good as our past two drafts.

The 2005 and 2006 drafts netted us these players:

Mark Clayton
Haloti Ngata
Adam Terry
Chris Chester
Demetrius Williams
Jason Brown
Dawan Landry
Sam Koch
Dan Cody (too early to give up on him)
Ronnie Prude (udfa)

That is an impressive list of players to get from two consecutive drafts.

[Mobtown]

Last week one interception was a big deal, but this week we have to forget two interceptions?


Fuck all!!

Would you guys just please let it go already! This board is impossible to enjoy while you guys are constantly at each other over this issue.

Nice post PR. I thought the play calling was good and so I will disagree with you there, but you are spot on everywhere else and I will add one more...Hooray for no sacks!

[purplepoe]

First of all.

The 1st pick was on Clayton. That's obvious. And no matter what a few people on this board think, any sane person would pin that on him no matter what QB was throwing the ball.

The 1st TD to Clayton was the best ball that I've EVER seen thrown by a Ravens QB. And it was on a fuckin rope.

The TD to Williams was nails too.

McNair played like a guy who knows that this team can beat anyone. His calmness and leadership is priceless.

This game could've easily been 45-0 if we can eliminate the turnovers and dumb penalties.

The vauge comparisons that are being discussed in this thread are ridiculous. Everyone and their mother thought that this would be a VERY difficult ROAD game and we came out and shit on the Steelers. This was a team effort, led by a team leader, which has resulted in us being the #2 seed as of now.

It was a great day even though the Seahawks couldnt' hold off the Chargers.

I think we all know that the Chargers want no part of this Ravens team.

The snowball is growing.


PP

[StingerNLG]

The 2005 and 2006 drafts netted us these players:

Mark Clayton
Haloti Ngata
Adam Terry
Chris Chester
Demetrius Williams
Jason Brown
Dawan Landry
Sam Koch
Dan Cody (too early to give up on him)
Ronnie Prude (udfa)

That is an impressive list of players to get from two consecutive drafts.


5 of those right now are starting, which is even more impressive. And to get Demetrius Williams into the mix the way they did just expands the receiving roster so much.



The 1st TD to Clayton was the best ball that I've EVER seen thrown by a Ravens QB.

You had me until then PP. No way. I remember a 77 yard bomb to Williams that beat that throw out.

Which makes you have to feel good that we can talk about what touchdown looked better. :)

[purplepoe]

[QUOTE=StingerNLG;22972]
You had me until then PP. No way. I remember a 77 yard bomb to Williams that beat that throw out.

QUOTE]

No way dude.

That ball was just perfect.

Boller's throw to Williams was great, no doubt.

Hell, McNair's throw to Williams was pretty too.

But that toss down the seam to Clayton was about as perfect as you can get. Absolutely no slowing down or speeding up by the receiver combined with some decent coverage.

It's Christmas Day and we're 12-3.

Damn, life is good right now.

Edit: Just lookin at the Sun's story and found Clayton's quote on the play:

"[The throw] was perfect," said Clayton, who had 108 yards on seven catches. "I remember looking up and the ball was there. I was like, 'Thank you Steve.'"


PP

[psuasskicker]

Which makes you have to feel good that we can talk about what touchdown looked better. :)

[Clay Davis]Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit![/Clay Davis]

I think it's just amazing we can talk about which TD pass to a Ravens RECEIVER - not Ravens DB - looked better!

That ball was incredibly well thrown, but check out Clayton's hands. It was a fundamentally perfect play. Clayton blew by his guy, McNair quickly identified Clayton would be behind Polamalu, and when the ball got there, Clayton stabbed his hands out and plucked the ball out of the air. The hands shot out, took the ball, and shot right back in to tuck it in. It was absolutely picture perfect.

Great game for us. Great day for us with the Colts losing...

- C -

[StingerNLG]

No way dude.

That ball was just perfect.

Boller's throw to Williams was great, no doubt.

Hell, McNair's throw to Williams was pretty too.

But that toss down the seam to Clayton was about as perfect as you can get. Absolutely no slowing down or speeding up by the receiver combined with some decent coverage.

And Clayton had to reach up, grab it, and bring it in to make the catch. Not that he had to make any circus moves or anything. Williams merely had to hold out his arms like a cradle and it literally landed there. And IIRC Williams also had to beat out 2 defenders downfield too.

Edit: Williams on his play

"It was a simple read play," Williams said. "I made a read to go through the middle of the field, and Kyle just made a great throw. He couldn't have put the ball anywhere else, so I had the obligation to catch the ball."



It's Christmas Day and we're 12-3.

Damn, life is good right now.

Well, for you. For me, it's my wife's birthday. And we're still 12-3.

And life is damn good right now :)



I think it's just amazing we can talk about which TD pass to a Ravens RECEIVER - not Ravens DB - looked better!

Isn't that a beautiful thing? That after 6 years we can talk about who had the more perfect touchdown throw, and the debate is between two OF OUR OWN Quarterbacks? Just another reason I don't want to be the team that has to come into our house and try to advance in the playoffs. :)

[PurpleRulz]

McNair could have had 4 TD passes if he caugh DWill correctly, There was a miscommunication there as either DWill was supposed not supposed to cut inside on his route, or McNair was not supposed to throw to the sideline.

It is good that we can talk about OFFENSIVE Tds from our QBs to WRs.

Imagine that at one time when we were in the redzone, we just prepared for Matt Stover. We are now scoring TDs.

As for the "2 INTs" one of the INTs was on Clayton, while the other was well a bad throw. Hey, it happens on occassion in the NFL, but it shouldn't happen everytime you are on the field.

[Mista T]

Some of his throws were throws we haven't seen with such accuracy of any Ravens QB in their history.


:insane:

You mean all those dirt balls? :rolling:

How about just about every game played by Randall Cunningham Most of Vinnie's games? Or Tony Banks in late '99 and early 2000? Grbac against Jax in 2001? Boller last week.


I cannot recall any Ravens QB playing that well against the Steelers on the road can you?

Tony Banks 12/12/99 @ Pittsburgh W 31-24 - three bombs to Qadry - by far the best outing by a Ravens QB against the Steelers

[StingerNLG]

T. Why, why why why WHY are you still quoting Tex? We're doing just fine ignoring him and not quoting him.



It is good that we can talk about OFFENSIVE Tds from our QBs to WRs.

Imagine that at one time when we were in the redzone, we just prepared for Matt Stover. We are now scoring TDs.

It's a beautiful thing isn't it?

[Mista T]

T. Why, why why why WHY are you still quoting Tex? We're doing just fine ignoring him and not quoting him.




It's a beautiful thing isn't it?

OK .... I'll get with the program!:laugh:

[purplepoe]

:insane:

You mean all those dirt balls? :rolling:



Okey doke.

Im sure we'd be 12-3 with a bye with any "average" QB.

I love ya T, but damn.

PP

[RavensNTerps]

Honestly, if the D played at the same level I think we have a comparable record with Boller at starter...

which does nothing to discredit what McNair has brought to the team. IMO he's a big reason the defense IS playing at the level that it is.

But look at the sack/turnover numbers from last year to this year...just about any QB can succeed.

Reminds me of 2003 a little bit where our D had crazy amounts of turnovers and touchdowns, and our O just had to not fuck it up. We finished 10-6 and won the AFC North, but weren't a great team. That's about what we'd be with Boller this year, IMO, but maybe 11-5 and a 2nd round team.

With McNair we'll be 13-3 and in the Superbowl.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

How did Boller get into this thread when he didn't even play Sunday?

[52decleetzu]

Billick in his post game interview said that he did not call that time out. Instead a defensive player on the field called it.

On the wbal post game show, they made a good case for calling that time out. Basically they had a nickel package on the field and wanted to defend against the run primarily given that it was like half a yard to go.

In hindsight, that move didnt help, but to me that is a good defensive personel decision.


Aaron Wilson was on NST and he said at first he thought it was AD who called it but now he isnt so sure.He said it was definitely one of the defensive players,and that after the game in the locker room they were playing "pass the buck" when the question was asked.

AW also said he has a theory about this,saying that he thought Ed Reed was down on one knee hurt and that is why it was called.Could be a reasonable explanation,even though the Stealers wouldnt have gotten the play off in time.

[StingerNLG]

How did Boller get into this thread when he didn't even play Sunday?

Heh, believe it or not it was in a good way for a change. PurplePoe and I were debating on which touchdown throw was "more perfect" than the other. He said McNair's throw to Clayton on Sunday, and I said Boller's 77 yarder to D-Will last week. Both were beautiful throws.

If we've got to debate who threw the better touchdown pass, and the two quarterbacks belong to us, I'd say we're pretty damn ready for the playoffs! :)

[Greg]

I disagree. The tv commentators (Gannon, I believe) said that the turnovers out of the Ravens QB position (fumbles and INTS )dropped from 26 to 9 over the same number of games with McNair this season as compared to Wright/Boller.
Uh, first off, if you are going to say "Wright/Boller" then you have to also say "McNair/Boller." You can't saddle Boller with Wright's stats and not do the same with McNair.

And if you think the OL performance isn't a huge reason for the recent INT success you are nuts. As a matter of fact, BILLICK ALSO IS DUE CREDIT. We didn't look so hot with McNair in that department when Fassel was planning and calling the offense.

[Greg]

True, the OL has played much better (at pass protection only) as well. However, you again if you seem to think that McNair being much more cagy and smarter in manuevering around in the pocket hasn't helped the OL, than you are nuttier than I!
In 7 quarters of play how many times has Boller been sacked? And how does that compare with his rate previously? It isn't all just McNair, Boller's sack rate is way down as well.

And if you watch the games you ought to be able to tell that.

[Greg]

LOL, please, if you can't see the difference you aren't watching the games. I believe you missed the Carolina game so I will assume you missed the C-choke game as well. In any case, he is getting a lot more time.

[StingerNLG]

Sigh. Why Greg, why?