Jamal = terrible

[RavensDomination]

You know Jamal all week was crying to Romeo about giving him the ball. At the end of the game we couldn't stop their pass attack and yet they are running it up the middle (?). I couldn't believe their horrible play calling, it's good to see that on the other side of the ball for a change.

Jamal Lewis - 19 carries, 49 yards. Hilarious. Romeo didn't get the memo - you ain't running on the Ravens!

[Jggjaron]

Glad it is still the same Jamal that we dropped nothing but complaining until he gets his way

[bmorebirds_24]

yea im glad his ass is gone and ray rice is in.

[Jeremiah W]

Jamal was not the problem, it was the fact they could not block any of our DTs that made it impossible to run. Jamal is still a very dangerous back that normally would force you to stack the box. The Ravens are just one of the only teams who can stuff the run with 6 or 7 men in the box because of the incredible push the D line gets and the ridiculously solid tackling from Ray and Bart.

I would still take Jamal over Willis if money is factored in, we may have saved enough to get another WR or TE. Player for player I like Willis more, but good backs are too easy to find to over pay or hold on to a guy with injury and attitude issues. Blocking makes the run game work a whole lot more than a fragile halfback.

[ravenjoe]

I would still take Jamal over Willis if money is factored in, we may have saved enough to get another WR or TE. Player for player I like Willis more, but good backs are too easy to find to over pay or hold on to a guy with injury and attitude issues. Blocking makes the run game work a whole lot more than a fragile halfback.

Jamal in his prime was a real 'beast', one of my favorite all-time ravens. Now, Willis is the man - more versatility and elusiveness, something that Jamal never really possessed.

[Sephy]

He isn't terrible. He's facing the best run defense in the last 8 years. He's not having a great year, and I'd obviously take our backfield over him, but still.

[Sephy]

Jamal in his prime was a real 'beast', one of my favorite all-time ravens. Now, Willis is the man - more versatility and elusiveness, something that Jamal never really possessed.

And what has Willis shown this year? Absolutely zero elusiveness. His only decent game was when the OL was opening absolutely massive holes in Miami

[StingerNLG]

Jamal in his prime was a real 'beast', one of my favorite all-time ravens. Now, Willis is the man - more versatility and elusiveness, something that Jamal never really possessed.

Willis was great today, wasn't he?

:rolleyes:

[purplepoe]

Willis was great today, wasn't he?

:rolleyes:

Im continually amazed to read the shit that former Ravens get.

Jamal was the ONLY offensive weapon this team had for years. He was a beast and won us a ton of games.

Now he sucks?

How about this. Go and take a look at the numbers since we obtained Willis and Jamal went to Cleveland.

And don't forget to factor in the two 3rd round picks and the $43.5 million we shelled out to McGahee.

Learn some shit people.

PP

[Losac]

Im continually amazed to read the shit that former Ravens get.

Jamal was the ONLY offensive weapon this team had for years. He was a beast and won us a ton of games.

Now he sucks?

How about this. Go and take a look at the numbers since we obtained Willis and Jamal went to Cleveland.

And don't forget to factor in the two 3rd round picks and the $43.5 million we shelled out to McGahee.

Learn some shit people.

PP

Jamal lost my respect when he felt the need to bash the Ravens to the press upon leaving. This team treated him very well, especially factoring in his incarceration, and that's how he responds. I don't think he sucks or is a bad RB, but I have a problem with his attitude. Even in his last few years here, he bitched if he didn't get 30+ carries a game and now seems to be doing that in Leaveland.

And I think the main point of the original post was Jamal complaining to Romeo about how he wanted the ball, despite the fact that their passing game was absolutely shredding us in the third quarter. But Jamal wanted his touches and they ran nowhere. Their play-calling was atrocious.

[bmorebirds_24]

Im continually amazed to read the shit that former Ravens get.

Jamal was the ONLY offensive weapon this team had for years. He was a beast and won us a ton of games.

Now he sucks?

How about this. Go and take a look at the numbers since we obtained Willis and Jamal went to Cleveland.

And don't forget to factor in the two 3rd round picks and the $43.5 million we shelled out to McGahee.

Learn some shit people.

PP




seems like this subject may have hit a nerve here PP?


i will say jamal was very good when he was here.the last 2 years he was here i was not impressed at all.when we got willis after jamal parted ways i was a huge fan of the move.but now with the numbers between the 2 of them its hard for me to defend willis in any capacity.(trust me he has been on my fantasy team the past 2 years)


what made me really upset with jamal is when he left and bashed the city well more so the ravens and brian billick.when a player leaves a team i think they shouldnt bad mouth a team or the city they played in.after all we did stick by him after he helped broker that drug deal.


we all have opinions and when a player leaves and bashes the city,coach,or other players then i hold a grudge to that person.:girlfight

[RavensDomination]

Im continually amazed to read the shit that former Ravens get.

Jamal was the ONLY offensive weapon this team had for years. He was a beast and won us a ton of games.

Now he sucks?

How about this. Go and take a look at the numbers since we obtained Willis and Jamal went to Cleveland.

Shall we?

Jamal, on a 10-6 team with a great passing offense in 2007, had 298 attempts, 1,304 yards, 9 TD's.

Willis, on a team with zero passing offense, and really nothing to play for after week 7 or 8, had 294 attempts for 1,207 yards and 7 TD's. Both had a comparable number of receptions and receiving yards as well as fumbles.

This year, Jamal is averaging 3.6 ypc with 533 yards and 3 TD's. Willis is averaging 3.5 ypc with 355 yards and 3 TD's, in 5 games compared to Jamal's 8.

Overall their numbers are comparable, but there's no way Jamal puts up those numbers with our pathetic offense last year. He wasn't facing 8 in the box like McGahee was every Sunday.

Jamal in his prime was a beast, maybe one of the best ever. Now, he's an average back at best. Injuries and age have caught up to him. I don't see the big deal about saying that, especially considering how he bitched and moaned on his way out.

[xmradiodave]

RICE!!!!!!!

Seriously, look forward... not backwards. Sure, Jamal bashed this city and team. He went to Cleveland and has not been any more successful there than he was here in his last season or two as a Raven. He ends up looking like a silly goose.

[purplepoe]

Shall we?

Jamal, on a 10-6 team with a great passing offense in 2007, had 298 attempts, 1,304 yards, 9 TD's.

Willis, on a team with zero passing offense, and really nothing to play for after week 7 or 8, had 294 attempts for 1,207 yards and 7 TD's. Both had a comparable number of receptions and receiving yards as well as fumbles.

This year, Jamal is averaging 3.6 ypc with 533 yards and 3 TD's. Willis is averaging 3.5 ypc with 355 yards and 3 TD's, in 5 games compared to Jamal's 8.

Overall their numbers are comparable, but there's no way Jamal puts up those numbers with our pathetic offense last year. He wasn't facing 8 in the box like McGahee was every Sunday.

Jamal in his prime was a beast, maybe one of the best ever. Now, he's an average back at best. Injuries and age have caught up to him. I don't see the big deal about saying that, especially considering how he bitched and moaned on his way out.

Two 3rd round picks and 43 million bucks.

Maybe Jamal did need to go and it was for the best for all parties.

But to sit here and say the guy sucks when his production in Cleveland has been better than McGahee's is a bit over the top.

Your last paragraph is legit. However, my post was in response to the title of the thread.

PP

[purplepoe]

Jamal lost my respect when he felt the need to bash the Ravens to the press upon leaving. This team treated him very well, especially factoring in his incarceration, and that's how he responds. I don't think he sucks or is a bad RB, but I have a problem with his attitude. Even in his last few years here, he bitched if he didn't get 30+ carries a game and now seems to be doing that in Leaveland.

And I think the main point of the original post was Jamal complaining to Romeo about how he wanted the ball, despite the fact that their passing game was absolutely shredding us in the third quarter. But Jamal wanted his touches and they ran nowhere. Their play-calling was atrocious.

Well, IMO Jamal was misused alot when he was here. As far as bashing the Ravens.......I didn't expect anything else. The guy signed with Cleveland and he was endearing himself to that fan base. Maybe I'm over worrying about players and their loyalty to teams.

As far as him complaining about his carries earlier in the year. Crennel came out and admitted that Jamal should've gotten more carries.

They lost because their #1 WR dropped a pass that would've changed the game.

PP

[Mike B]

You know Jamal all week was crying to Romeo about giving him the ball. At the end of the game we couldn't stop their pass attack and yet they are running it up the middle (?). I couldn't believe their horrible play calling, it's good to see that on the other side of the ball for a change.

Jamal Lewis - 19 carries, 49 yards. Hilarious. Romeo didn't get the memo - you ain't running on the Ravens!

Your right about the play calling.....but give credit to Haloti Ngata and Justin Bannan. Those guys do not move. Ngata has turned into a beast. The man is good. Kudo's to Mckinney and Douglas. They whipped the Browns O-Line.

[RavensDomination]

Two 3rd round picks and 43 million bucks.

Maybe Jamal did need to go and it was for the best for all parties.

But to sit here and say the guy sucks when his production in Cleveland has been better than McGahee's is a bit over the top.

Your last paragraph is legit. However, my post was in response to the title of the thread.

PP

PP - I agree those are high picks, but we didn't expect to get an up and coming RB like Ray Rice in the draft this year. We were borderline desperate at that point and there wasn't a lot available on the open market.

I said Jamal is terrible because of the game yesterday. He couldn't get anything going. He was hitting the holes slow and didn't seem interested. His longest run was like 6 or 7 yards.

[Mista T]

Im continually amazed to read the shit that former Ravens get.

Jamal was the ONLY offensive weapon this team had for years. He was a beast and won us a ton of games.

Now he sucks?

How about this. Go and take a look at the numbers since we obtained Willis and Jamal went to Cleveland.

And don't forget to factor in the two 3rd round picks and the $43.5 million we shelled out to McGahee.

Learn some shit people.

PP

Since I caught so much shit for criticizing the team's dropping of Jamal and then overpaying to get Mcgahee, can I interpret the above to be an agreement? :laugh:

[RavensNTerps]

Jamal SUCKED his last two years here, regardless of what he did in Cleveland last year...the time was right to let him go. He's also a huge prick that very few like.

[ravenfever_com]

The only reason people in Baltimore hates Jamal is because he trashed the City and the Team on his way out. I was a major Jamal fan and I am sorry to say that my signed "31" Jersey and Football are now sitting in a box and not on display. I was happy to see him break records in Baltimore. Then his drug arrest put him in jail and us fans had to deal with the pain of his issues affecting us as fans. Some fans lost hope and wanted him gone then. Jamal had a chance to reprove himself in this town and he did not show to have the same level of play that he had before his issues. The Ravens could not use him as they had and his runs were not getting the yards we needed. So the Ravens let him go. No one in Baltimore trashed Jamal and most fans were sorry to see him leave, however he trashed the City and the Team and that is the real problem. Never forget were you come from ... Never forget who you caused pain... Never forget that it is us FANS that pay you and the team to play... With out FANS the NFL and the Players would have nothing....

I always want to see former Ravens do well after they leave. However look at the trend ... Most players that leave Baltimore go on to do nothing..

What ever happened to Ed Hartwell?

[pyite32]

Jamal was a great back in Baltimore.

He still pisses me off b/c he bashed our city and team. I have noticed in myself and others in general that Baltimore is a very prideful city. We love our city, and our teams. I hate it when people bash either, and for a former player who we gave our hearts, and gave chance after chance to redeem himself while he was here to bash us is unforgivable. (sorry about the run on)

So I am glad he is happy in Cleveland.

Too bad the only time you will here the words Browns and Superbowl in the same sentence is when I am telling someone I have to take a shit.

"I'll be back, I have to take the Browns to the Superbowl"

[Losac]

"I'll be back, I have to take the Browns to the Superbowl"

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

I'm going to use that!

[B-more Ravor]

Im continually amazed to read the shit that former Ravens get.

Jamal was the ONLY offensive weapon this team had for years. He was a beast and won us a ton of games.

Now he sucks?

Poe - I understand where you are coming from, but let me add this:

In Jamal's last couple of years here - whether he was used correctly or not - he came into camp out of shape and unmotivated. He really didn't help his own cause and it showed on the field.

IMO, it was a parting of the ways that had become necessary for both sides.

Last year in Cleveland, he reported in great shape and after a slow start, looked like the Jamal of old and had a great year. That kind of pissed me off, because had he been in good shape in the prior couple of years, we might have been better and he might still have been a Raven (which I think most Ravens fans would have wanted - at least up to 2004-06).

This year, after proving himself last year and finally getting the long term deal he had so coveted, he reported in not so great shape again, and now even Cleveland fans are complaining about him playing "soft". I realize we have a great D, but the Jamal I saw yesterday, resembled more the Jamal of 2004-2006 than the Jamal of last year.

[purplepoe]

Poe - I understand where you are coming from, but let me add this:

In Jamal's last couple of years here - whether he was used correctly or not - he came into camp out of shape and unmotivated. He really didn't help his own cause and it showed on the field.

IMO, it was a parting of the ways that had become necessary for both sides.

Last year in Cleveland, he reported in great shape and after a slow start, looked like the Jamal of old and had a great year. That kind of pissed me off, because had he been in good shape in the prior couple of years, we might have been better and he might still have been a Raven (which I think most Ravens fans would have wanted - at least up to 2004-06).

This year, after proving himself last year and finally getting the long term deal he had so coveted, he reported in not so great shape again, and now even Cleveland fans are complaining about him playing "soft". I realize we have a great D, but the Jamal I saw yesterday, resembled more the Jamal of 2004-2006 than the Jamal of last year.

All valid points.

I'm just pointing out that this team traded 3 picks and shelled out 43.5 million bucks for a guy whose production is the same if not a bit less than Jamal's has been.

The RB who ripped the Browns yesterday wasn't the the "franchise" RB so many people proclaimed McGahee to be.

Let's remember that Jamal had an incredible burden thrust upon him during his tenure here and was a fantastic player for much of his time here.

A parting of the ways certainly seemed necessary and I didn't lose any sleep over his departure.

I will say this. The last game Jamal played here he was running his ass off vs the Colts and had a very solid first half. Then we went away from the run and ended up losing. I don't think Jamal was much different than alot of RBs in this league. They all want the ball and they'll all voice their displeasure at some point if it doesn't happen.

As far as his comments about Baltimore. It was obvious a shot at Billick (which would seem to go over well with many) and the way he was used. He was endearing himself to his new city.

I guess I'm over the illusion that these players really care about the cities they play in nowadays. Money talks and all the rest is secondary. Would it have been nice if he said glowing things about the city and team when he left? Sure. But I know one thing. When he's inducted into the ROH, the only thing I'll remember is him running DB's over and pulling away from them on his long runs.

PP

[bmorebirds_24]

What ever happened to Ed Hartwell?



i have a funny story about him.Well remeber when he was with the ravens' then left and went to atlanta?remeber his comments about how the city loves ray lewis because he was here first that if it was the other way around it would be the "ed hartwell show".


well he was with some friends and down the stadium the day of the playoff game versus the colts.we tailgate under the 395 over pass.i noticed him and he was signing autographs.so as i seen this a girl that was with us asked why i didnt want his autograph.i said "because he sucks"well he happened to hear me.he gave me a nasty stare.i felt kinda stupid but i had a few cold beers in me so i was like f---k it.so i yelled to him "hey ed,hows that hartwell show coming along?" he yelled back "fuck you!" i just laughed.it was pretty funny but i guess he had gotten the last laugh being we lost that day to the colts.

[Rxdoxx]

Wasn't there economics also at work in his leaving?
I seem to remember that he wanted feature back pay when he could only deliver normal NFL production.
He signed with the clowns for what 3.5mil? My memory says he wanted a lot more than that here but I'm not totally sure.

[B-more Ravor]

I'm just pointing out that this team traded 3 picks and shelled out 43.5 million bucks for a guy whose production is the same if not a bit less than Jamal's has been.

Well, they both seem to now be having motivation issues after being model citizens last year. Funny how that happens.



Let's remember that Jamal had an incredible burden thrust upon him during his tenure here and was a fantastic player for much of his time here.

Yes, until his last couple of years here, when, much like McGahee did this year, he would show up in poor shape.


I will say this. The last game Jamal played here he was running his ass off vs the Colts and had a very solid first half. Then we went away from the run and ended up losing. I don't think Jamal was much different than alot of RBs in this league. They all want the ball and they'll all voice their displeasure at some point if it doesn't happen.

As far as his comments about Baltimore. It was obvious a shot at Billick (which would seem to go over well with many) and the way he was used. He was endearing himself to his new city.

I guess I'm over the illusion that these players really care about the cities they play in nowadays. Money talks and all the rest is secondary. Would it have been nice if he said glowing things about the city and team when he left? Sure. But I know one thing. When he's inducted into the ROH, the only thing I'll remember is him running DB's over and pulling away from them on his long runs.

Agreed. Well said.