I come in peace..

[RyanTheINDColtsFan]

I like to visit the forums of the opposing teams once in a while and I found this place. Looks like a excellent place to talk pro football. I'll bounce around from thread to thread this week.

Although I'm an INDY Colts fan... I think you'd agree with me when I wish both teams good luck and no injuries.

[Ravenfan_11]

Go back to Indy in your Mayflower where you belong.

BTW...tell any of your friends looking for a nice tame happy welcome that they would be better off staying home. It's not going to be a friendly environment for any Indy fan. You've never seen anything like the hurting this crowd will bring. Deep emotional scares have been cut here...

[Drkraven]

There is no such thing as a Irsay fan coming in peace.

[PARavensJeff]

Go back to Indy in your Mayflower where you belong.

BTW...tell any of your friends looking for a nice tame happy welcome that they would be better off staying home. It's not going to be a friendly environment for any Indy fan. You've never seen anything like the hurting this crowd will bring. Deep emotional scares have been cut here...


I agree, get the hell out of here & don't think of showing up here on Saturday. As far as I & my Brother & Sister Raven fans are concerned, you are nothing more than an agent of Irsay & are just as guilty as Hudnut & all those other Indianapolis Idiots. You stole something from us almost 23 years ago, & while we have met before on the field, both here & there since 96, this 1 matters more & we will put another nail in the Manning can't win the big one coffin. Get ready to hear his crying, whining excuses & throwing his teamates under the bus after the game Saturday night.

Paybacks are a bitch Indianapolis.

The curse of Unitas will stop the Indianapolis Idiots again, Forevermore!!!!

[Art-Florida]

Wow. There goes the idea of a "civil" Board.

One should never pull a .44 magnum on a stranger until they at least make ONE hostile move.

[PARavensJeff]

Sorry Art, the hostile act was 23 years ago when they stole the Colts. They are all guilty if they have supported Irsay. I am civil in everything else in life except this. You just don't come in here from Indianapolis like that, stay there & read the Indianapolis Star & think you are watching the real Colts when all the are watching is the fake Colts.

[52RAYVENS]

But you'll leave in pieces! :thumbdown:

Go away! You have no friends here!

[Canuckofithaca]

wow, guys, he's just an Indy fan who wanted to talk football, calm down.

And he didn't steal a team from Baltimore, the teams owners moved it.

That's disgraceful the way you attacked him.:bag:

[Sports Steve]

Save you peace for someone who cares. There will never be any peace as long as a Irsay owns the team. Jimmy Irsay was in on the move also. Go back to Indy.


:jester: :jester:

[RyanTheINDColtsFan]

Alright. A moderator can delete this thread if needed. Take care and I repeat... I hope its a clean game with no injuries regardless of the outcome.

[WxKevin]

Wow...I have never been more ashamed of Ravens fans. Truly classless.

[Sephy]

LOL at this thread

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Wow...I have never been more ashamed of Ravens fans. Truly classless.

ME TOO WxKevin:embarassed:

[crowdog89]

Wow....I can understand the hatred of the Colts with the bad history and all...but that is no reason to just start in on someone just because he is a fan of theirs...and lives in Indy.

You all treat Steeler fans with more class than that.....:thumbdown:

[PurpleRulz]

"I come in peace."

What you do in your private time is your business. :laugh:

Seriously, welcome to the board, but we are going to hand your team their behinds.

[Admin Steve]

Yikes. Come on guys. He's a fan not Irsay's brother. He just wants to talk football. Let's be civil with opposing fans please. If they come in talking smack then feel free to unload on them but otherwise, let them take part in our discussions.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

"Seriously, welcome to the board, but we are going to hand your team their behinds." What a hoot!:rolling:

...More like introduce their heads to their own butts:kissass:

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Yikes. Come on guys. He's a fan not Irsay's brother. He just wants to talk football. Let's be civil with opposing fans please. If they come in talking smack then feel free to unload on them but otherwise, let them take part in our discussions.

:iagree:

[purplepoe]

And how is it that we got our team?

Be mad at the Irsay's all you want but the people of Indy shouldn't bare the brunt of your wrath.

They just happen to live where Irsay moved the team.

Hell, they gotta live in Indy, that's bad enough.

PP

[RustonRifle]

I'm certain there are some quality people in Indianapolis, I'd have some respect for the place if they started fresh with their own legacy instead of embezzling another citys football legacy and shamelessly plugging it as their own.

[deuce]

Welcome to the board. Although I wish you no luck except bad luck. Prepare for a beatdown. It wont be pretty in (c)Harm City on Saturday.

[festivus]

Welcome to the board. It takes guts to do more than lurk, which is what I like to do on the other team's boards.

I hope the Baltimore pass rush is so damned scary Peyton runs out the stadium, onto the interstate, and is not found until 9 p.m. when the team bus picks him up on I-70 on its way back to Indianapolis. I hope we get to see Jamal Lewis stagger down the field with all eleven Indy defenders stacked like Lincoln Logs on his back. I hope the stadium is so loud when Peyton is trying to audible that airline pilots overhead can't hear themselves think. I hope the Ravens score so many points the scoreboard breaks because it can't go into the hundreds.

But yeah, I think no injuries is a good thing to hope for, too.

Cheers! ;)

[Greg]

Nobody can toss more vitriol toward an Irsay fan than me...but only when they start telling me to get over the Colts name and history being stolen. Until they give you a reason we can talk about how Peyton is going to have a few extra holes stomped into him this weekend.

[ravenjoe]

wow, guys, he's just an Indy fan who wanted to talk football, calm down.

And he didn't steal a team from Baltimore, the teams owners moved it.

That's disgraceful the way you attacked him.:bag:

I agree. I was at the last home game in '83 before Irsay took the team to Indy, and was one of the fans who engaged in the chant which resonated around the stadium that last game, "Irsay Sucks....Irsay Sucks". But, I believe in civil discourse amongst fans. Let's act a bit grown up here guys, and treat this guy with a little respect. After we're not Pittsburgh fans here.

[darb72]

The Colts defense has played pretty well at home this season but have struggled on the road.

Given how Payton was turning the ball over yesterday, I'm thinking the Ravens have a pretty good chance.

[PARavensJeff]

Wow...I have never been more ashamed of Ravens fans. Truly classless.

Wow, I guess it was ok to cheer Boller when he got hurt last year, that was truly classless & a shameful act. That is the thing after 11 years I am most embarressed about & ashamed of Ravens fans for.

Sorry you don't agree with me, I guess some of us have different levels of emotion on this issue & how we show it.

[WxKevin]

Wow, I guess it was ok to cheer Boller when he got hurt last year, that was truly classless & a shameful act. That is the thing after 11 years I am most embarressed about & ashamed of Ravens fans for.

Sorry you don't sgree with me, I guess some of us have different levels of emotion on this issue & how we show it.

I almost got into a fight with Ravens fans at the stadium with someone who was cheering Boller's injury. Trust me, I am not a hypocrit. I called those people classless and shameful too.

[highwater]

Good grief -- an Indy fan comes in here politely, doesn't talk any smack, hopes for a clean game with no injuries, and a couple of people immediately rip his balls off. That's real classy, guys. Save the rip jobs for the people who deserve it.

[PARavensJeff]

I almost got into a fight with Ravens fans at the stadium with someone who was cheering Boller's injury. Trust me, I am not a hypocrit. I called those people classless and shameful too.

Hey Kevin, I have no beef with you or anyone else who doesn't agree with what I & some others said to the Indy guy, but I am in no way shameful or classless. Let's just go win the game Saturday & party Saturday night.

[flraven]

I agree. I was at the last home game in '83 before Irsay took the team to Indy, and was one of the fans who engaged in the chant which resonated around the stadium that last game, "Irsay Sucks....Irsay Sucks". But, I believe in civil discourse amongst fans. Let's act a bit grown up here guys, and treat this guy with a little respect. After we're not Pittsburgh fans here.

:iagree:

I was at that '83 game too, and was in on the chant. We should show this person a little respect until he gives us reason not too.

That being said, I cannot wait for this game. I'm flying up for it-would not miss it for the world-and hope the Ravens STOMP the Colts.

GO RAVENS!

[PurpleRulz]

Welcome to the board. Although I wish you no luck except bad luck. Prepare for a beatdown. It wont be pretty in (c)Harm City on Saturday.

Damn. You hit on the perfect name for our defense:

HARM CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad today's NFL is quicker to give nicknames to great offenses rather than great defenses.

[Poe86]

Yeah, lets not act like Pissburgh fans! Be civil, but...

I personally can't wait until Suggs hits Manning so hard he can't remember his name.

[section553]

I thought Ravens fans had a little more class. Welcome to the board. With that being said, I'll apologise for the classless on the board and the ass beating we are going to give your team on Saturday.


G O R A V E N S ! ! ! ! !

[mavhimself]

maybe it wasn't right to jump the guy, to his credit, he didn't come in talking smack. then again, he is a colts fan so you know what...... f**k him!!!!

[RAVENOUS52]

While I don't feel bad about how the Indyfan was received (I fully understand the anger and/or irrational behavior), I will give him credit for being a classy fan. It's just that I can't feel sympathy for anyone who would claim the uniform and heritage created in great part by the legend whose very statue stands as an enduring fixture outside of OUR STADIUM.

On Saturday it's UNITAS WE STAND:patriot: ...and when it's all said and done, Peyton and the Pretenders will FALL.

[Sephy]

While I don't feel bad about how the Indyfan was received (I fully understand the anger and/or irrational behavior), I will give him credit for being a classy fan. It's just that I can't feel sympathy for anyone who would claim the uniform and heritage created in great part by the legend whose very statue stands as an enduring fixture outside of OUR STADIUM.

On Saturday it's UNITAS WE STAND:patriot: ...and when it's all said and done, Peyton and the Pretenders will FALL.

Agreed!

[jus10rich]

I would just like to point out that the Colts have been in indianapolis for almost 23 years. That means there are alot of Colts fans in there mid to late 20's that grew up with this team being their team. I think if you were to ask most fans here in indy whether or not they agree with the way things went down when the team moved here, they would tell you that it was shady. But you cant blame the Indy fans for something we had no control over, just like Cleveland cant blame you for taking their team. By the way, Your team was one court order away from being the Baltimore Browns. Art wanted to take the name with him. Its well documented. Only a lawsuit Kept the name in cleveland.

I'm not trying to start anything, just tring to open up some minds. Dont blame indy or their fans. It was an ugly divorce between the City of baltimore and our former owner who is now passed.

I wish both Teams luck and look forward to a hard fought game. Go Colts

[RustonRifle]

Your team was one court order away from being the Baltimore Browns. Art wanted to take the name with him. Its well documented.

Baltimore has it's own rich football history and doesn't need to hold hostage another citys pro football past.

http://www.espn1300.com/extra_01.shtml

David Modell had said on the Baltimore's ESPN 1300 tribute last week that Art wanted to give the colors and history to cleveland upon leaving, but was advised he should keep the name, history and colors and use it as a barganing chip at a later time.

[festivus]

Art wanted to take the name with him. Its well documented. Only a lawsuit Kept the name in cleveland.

I'm not trying to start anything, just tring to open up some minds. Dont blame indy or their fans. It was an ugly divorce between the City of baltimore and our former owner who is now passed.

I wish both Teams luck and look forward to a hard fought game. Go Colts

I don't think people here blame Indianapolis or the current Colts fans. Some people spouted off early in this thread but I hope you don't mistake the bad manners of a few people for the way we all act or think.

Trust me, we (or most of us, as far as I can tell) have *much* stronger feelings about fans of some other teams, one in particular, then we do about Indianapolis Colts fans.

The venom is pretty much reserved for the Irsay family. If you dig around here for awhile, you'll see what I mean.

I am familiar with the way in which the Browns left Cleveland, and I am familiar with the way in which the Colts left Baltimore. One was driven out; one was stolen. It's well documented, to use your phrase.

[PARavensJeff]

I would just like to point out that the Colts have been in indianapolis for almost 23 years. That means there are alot of Colts fans in there mid to late 20's that grew up with this team being their team. I think if you were to ask most fans here in indy whether or not they agree with the way things went down when the team moved here, they would tell you that it was shady. But you cant blame the Indy fans for something we had no control over, just like Cleveland cant blame you for taking their team. By the way, Your team was one court order away from being the Baltimore Browns. Art wanted to take the name with him. Its well documented. Only a lawsuit Kept the name in cleveland.

I'm not trying to start anything, just tring to open up some minds. Dont blame indy or their fans. It was an ugly divorce between the City of baltimore and our former owner who is now passed.

I wish both Teams luck and look forward to a hard fought game. Go Colts


The reason Modell said publicly he was going to name the team the Baltimore Browns was for leverage in the whole moving fight. He felt it was right to leave their heritage in Cleveland, unlike that piece of crap drunk Irsay. Modell only said this to use it as a bargaining chip. Today, with the son of Irsay owning the team, he steals Baltimore's football heritage for the INDIANAPOLIS COLTS. In the Colts media guides, there are plenty of references to the Baltimore Colts, but it doesn't say BALTIMORE, just Colts. I could let go of a lot of my anger if this team of imposters in INDIANAPOLIS stealing Baltimore's football heritage stopped trading of the past glory in Baltimore. Let go of our history & heritage & re-write your history from 1984 to today. Let us have our history back & I'll let go of my anger.

GO RAVENS

[Rochardrik]

"I come in peace."

What you do in your private time is your business. :laugh:

Seriously, welcome to the board, but we are going to hand your team their behinds.

Now THAT'S FUNNY!!!!! But seriously, if you lived in Indy w/ no team, wouldn't you root for them if they moved in? (Balto. Browns?). Nevertheless, we have no love, civility, or compassion for anything India-no-place Dolt related!
Jim Irsay does not post here, so any fan that may be stupid, (or brave enough?) to come here and root for the former Blessed Baltimore- turned Ignominious Indy Colts will feel the wrath..... Man-Law...:rolleyes: Get over it!!!:rolleyes:

[RAVENOUS52]

23 years and still no significant acheivements to speak of.:grbac:

That speaks volumes.:laugh:

[Losac]

23 years and still no significant acheivements to speak of.:grbac:

That speaks volumes.:laugh:
What are you talking about R52? They have that "2003 AFC Finalist" banner hanging up in the Loser Dome. :rolling:

[jus10rich]

I just dont understand. The Colts are the Colts. Always have been always will be. It's the same franchise. The name Colts didn't belong to Baltimore no more than it belongs to indianapolis. It is the Irsay's team. The name belongs to him.

I can understand why people are upset. Its the same reason i would be upset if they were to leave indy. I grew up a colts fan because i was 8 years old when they came here. The Colts Came close to moving away from indy a couple of years ago, untill the city decided that would be a disaster and gave them a new stadium. Thats the difference between Indy and Baltimore.

Baltimore didn't want to pony up the dough for a new stadium and Indy had one waiting.


The Colts were never Baltimore's to begin with. Baltimore was a place that the colts called Home. And im sure people are upset because of all of the memorys they had. But just like some people move from town to town or from state to state, doesnt mean they can't look back on the times they spent in those places with fondness. Now The colts are in indy, and just because the colts are happy here, why is that such a bad thing.


Its no different than my uncle growing up here in indy and raising a family. They make freinds and memories, then one day, my uncle decides that it would be best for his family if they left and went to Nashville. He decides that it would be easier to just leave without telling anyone because he doesnt want to see all of their freinds dissapointed with the decision. But its whats best for his family so he does it.

I dont see anything wrong with that. Help me.

[deuce]

Your first sentence says it all. You dont understand. So shut up.

[festivus]

I thought you said you didn't want to 'start up.' Now you're telling us the Colts were never ours. :thumbdown:

You asked your question, you made your point, you got your answer. Deuce is right.

[jus10rich]

The Colts were never yours. The only NFL City that can make that claim is Green Bay. What i dont understand is the animosity towards the colts organization. The man that made the decision to move the franchise is dead. His son was just a few years out of college and had zero input in that decision. You guys are making the Baltimore Ravens fan base look completly ignorant.

[RAVENOUS52]

What a dipshit.

You still don't get it:

KEEP the football team and the records you've accumilated in Indy.

But don't try to act as if the Colors, Name or accomplishments of the BALTIMORE Colts belong in Indy.

No waydoes a choker like Manning belong in the same sentence as a Johnny Unitas when speaking about Colts history.

[PurpleRulz]

I am purely purple and proud. Someone made an excellent analogy. To continue to pine for the Colts is like constantly telling your wife/current girlfriend how much your ex-girl dogged you 23 years ago.

What Irsay did was a crappy thing, but it was 23 years ago and we have a franchise to cheer.

I have no attachments to the old Colts, but those who do, it is okay to have memories, but don't let it affect the current relationship you have.

But, let me ask this. What hurts more (and don't say both):

1. That the Colts left.

2. That Irsay did not leave the colors behind.

[jus10rich]

You are right about one thing. When all is said and done, Peyton Manning will go down as being the best quarterback of all time. Way ahead of your jonny unitas. At least you got that strait.

[UKRavenStockers]

You are right about one thing. When all is said and done, Peyton Manning will go down as being the best quarterback of all time. Way ahead of your jonny unitas. At least you got that strait.

You really don't have satire and comedy down do you?

[jus10rich]

And by the way, the history that the colts made in baltimore does belong in the record books of the indianapolis colts. why? because it's the same franchise. Owned by the same family. They simply moved to a more suitable location. Whats so wrong with that? The History of the colts is the history of the colts. you cant pick and choose what you want that to include. It is what it is.

[jus10rich]

You really don't have satire and comedy down do you?

Well, i tried. :)

[RAVENOUS52]

Peyton Manning is Dan Marino Jr.
And the History of the Baltimore Colts belongs in Baltimore.


Question: Why wouldn't Peyton Manning make a good boxer?

Answer: He starts choking uncontrollably before he gets to the ring!

[jus10rich]

Peyton Manning is Dan Marino Jr.
And the History of the Baltimore Colts belongs in Baltimore.


Question: Why wouldn't Peyton Manning make a good boxer?

Answer: He starts choking uncontrollably before he gets to the ring!

I can't really say anything about that. I have to admit, I did laugh. but this is their year!

[Galen Sevinne]

Why are Ravens' fans taking the bait from this guy? Hey, I lost the Balt. Colts too...grew up loving and still love the Baltimore Colts. I dislike Bob Irsay...he was an irresponsible, hot tempered, detached drunk. I don't like the Indy Colts like I don't like the Pitt. Steelers. I have nothing against the people of Indy as I would hope the people of Cleveland have nothing against me. I sat in Mem. Stadium in the early 80's with 20,000 fans. The stadium was empty...there was no movement to build a new one. Dickhead Irsay had a better offer...he took it. Sounds kinda familiar, yes? At the time, there was no precedent to leave colors and stats behind or maybe he would have considered it. I don't know. Be happy that Irsay cleared his dysfunctional shit out of the way and cleared the way for Modell. We had a Lombardi within 5 years. Indy and the stewardship of the Irsay's haven't done a thing in 23 years. Would you have wanted that? or what we have now? I am ready for Angelos to take his shit out of here and clear the way to bring in a new organization...hopefully under the current precedent of leaving colors and history behind.

I think we should extend grattitude to these Indy fans for taking Irsay's shit from our town. Unitas is still Baltimore's as are the Baltimore Colts...those memories can't be taken away because of some museum in Canton.

Thank You Indy....now bend over and enjoy the wrath for Purple. The Sack Pack is back and knows exactly where it belongs. Of course you Indy guys don't know what the Sack Pack is but maybe some day you will learn your history.

[Pat McGroin]

I'm getting the feeling the "10" in this guy's handle is either his age or his IQ.

Thoughts?

[jus10rich]

I'm getting the feeling the "10" in this guy's handle is either his age or his IQ.

Thoughts?

I will go ahead and let you know what the "10" is

my name is jus + "10" = justin

Dose that help Pat, or do you want me to go slower.

[festivus]

The Colts were as much ours as the Steelers are Pittsburgh's and the 49'ers are San Francisco's. Do us a favor and go over to a Bears board, and explain to them the Bears are not Chicago's.

You want to split hairs over what the word "ours" means. To have something is not necessarily to own it. If 'having' a team meant "owning" it then nobody would care about sports. It's not that simple, which you I think are deliberately misunderstanding. I have a home I pay a mortgage on, I have two children, I have a car that's been paid for. They are all mine, though I don't completely "own" the house or the children.

The reason they put the city's name in front of the team name is because THE CITY IS PART OF THE TEAM AND THE TEAM IS PART OF THE CITY. Take the team and you are taking from the city.

> The History of the colts is the history of the colts. you cant pick and
> choose what you want that to include. It is what it is.
Really? Then why does your precious "Colts" press guide list *other* teams by their city names, but the Baltimore Colts information by the name "Colts"? Why list *any* city names?

I am guessing you are (a) 17 or younger, or (b) an attorney.

[Pat McGroin]

I will go ahead and let you know what the "10" is

my name is jus + "10" = justin

Dose that help Pat, or do you want me to go slower.

Gee, thanks! :grbac:

[ravenwoman]

Why do we allow anyone from Indianapolis on this board? If you love your Indy colts so much, why don't you post there? I don't post on other teams boards, so why can't you respect our space and go home?

[ravensfan1996]

Ok how about we move the Indianoplis 500 to Baltimore, but all the records and winners and trophy will all now say "baltimore" . We will be build the same exact track with brick finish line and all and call it our own. Not starting a new tradition, not recognizing all those things happened in Indy. Then when you and your father sit down and watch the Indy 500 on tv and its in Baltimore and not indy where you had spent years watching it live with your borther and dad....then you might understand.

The Colts were very much a part of Baltimore, for you to say they didnt "own" them is ridiculus....they were the BALTIMORE colts...not just the Colts....they werent some fly by night expansion team with little team support, they were a storied franchise just like the browns.


Thats what makes us mad, the fact that the records didnt start a new, the irsay's and the nfl gave us the shaft, the same thing happens to cleveland and they get everythng back and a new team in 3 years, not hoping for 12 years to get an expansion team like we had to do , to not give us the expansion teams was a direct insult to Baltimore. A team that helped build the NFL what it is today, played in the "greatest game ever played"....its the combination of it all.

[festivus]

Why do we allow anyone from Indianapolis on this board? If you love your Indy colts so much, why don't you post there? I don't post on other teams boards, so why can't you respect our space and go home?
He probably posts there too, first thing after school.

[Pat McGroin]

He probably posts there too, first thing after school.

When did they get schools in Indiana?

[jus10rich]

Well, i do post on the colts board. Why did i come here, because someone there posted a link to this forum talking about the first post on this thread. When i read it, I got a little upset. I can understand the fact that i will never understand the fellings of the old baltimore colts fans because i didnt go though what you all have. I can try, but i will never fully grasp the anger and frustration you guys have. I just wish that you guys could put aside all of that drama for one week and enjoy what will be a great matchup between your hometown team and mine. I am a football fan and there are hundreds of thousands of great football fans that probably wouldn't have been had the colts not moved to indy. Now having said that, im not saying it was the right move or the wrong move. But i for one am gratefull. As much as you are upset. Here's to a great game.

[RAVENOUS52]

Hey, I love the Baltimore Ravens as much as anybody and always will, but I understand why some would be angered by the imposter Colts playing in Indy.

Retire the name, colors and records of the original BALTIMORE Colts and select a new identity more related to the state of Indiana and start over fresh...

Until that happens, NFL fans and the World at large will always know that:

THOSE PONIES ARE PHONEYS!! :grbac:

[Pat McGroin]

Trust me, I'll enjoy myself immensely...should be a good game. Hope the Ravens knock the snot outta the Colts.

No, the drama will never stop until Jimmy-boy "does the right thing".

I'm curious, Justin, would you happen to know what "the right thing" is?

[festivus]

> i will never fully grasp the anger and frustration you guys have.
Perhaps this is because you haven't read the posts here and elsewhere? Perhaps it's because you can't let go of your feeling that cities do not have football teams?

Lord knows if you'd been reading (between the jibes and the rude remarks directed toward the original poster) you could have started to piece it together now.

Read this, from our local newspaper. It may help you with the problem you seem to be having understanding us (it's the Dear Ravens piece, for those who have read it):
http://tinyurl.com/urkat

[jus10rich]

Well, i feel like guys are holding your breath under water. The only ones you are hurting are yourselves. Do you think "Jimmy-boy" stays up at night worrying about all of the people that his dad pissed off? I dont think he does. I'm sure that the "right thing" to you guys is what i've read a million times. Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports. When teams move, they generally take the name, color etc. with them. It's just the way it is. I know there are exceptions, but generally thats the way its done. Like i said, i didnt go through what you guys did and if it were to happen hear, I would like to think that i would continue to be a colts fan no matter where they move, but i cant say that for sure. Feelings get hurt, angers flair. But i would hope that i would be able to forgive and forget or at least move on and lose the bitterness. I guess i'll never know. You guys definitely have a great team there. I cant wait. Have a good day

[festivus]

> I would like to think that i would continue to be a colts fan
> no matter where they move, but i cant say that for sure.
Justin, if Indianapolis is anything like Baltimore, you'd be the only one.

We don't need the colors, by the way. We'd like the records, and we'd like you guys to get your own colors, but we have new colors now.

They are purple and black, like the bruises Peyton & Co. will have Sunday morning.

> Have a good day
You too.

[Pat McGroin]

Well, I held out some hope for you for a minute or two, but alas, I was wrong.

Sucks to be you I guess.

[jus10rich]

> i will never fully grasp the anger and frustration you guys have.
Perhaps this is because you haven't read the posts here and elsewhere? Perhaps it's because you can't let go of your feeling that cities do not have football teams?

Lord knows if you'd been reading (between the jibes and the rude remarks directed toward the original poster) you could have started to piece it together now.

Read this, from our local newspaper. It may help you with the problem you seem to be having understanding us (it's the Dear Ravens piece, for those who have read it):
http://tinyurl.com/urkat





Well, i read it. Thanks for the link. That article defintely makes some sense. And i did read through most of the posts on this thread as well. I guess i felt as if some of the fans were going way overboard. I know not everyone is like that. I apologize for any comments I made that offended anyone. Sometimes people (even me) can lose ones composure. Thanks for all the great info. Good Luck Saturday.

[UKRavenStockers]

Well, i feel like guys are holding your breath under water. The only ones you are hurting are yourselves. Do you think "Jimmy-boy" stays up at night worrying about all of the people that his dad pissed off? I dont think he does. I'm sure that the "right thing" to you guys is what i've read a million times. Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports. When teams move, they generally take the name, color etc. with them. It's just the way it is. I know there are exceptions, but generally thats the way its done. Like i said, i didnt go through what you guys did and if it were to happen hear, I would like to think that i would continue to be a colts fan no matter where they move, but i cant say that for sure. Feelings get hurt, angers flair. But i would hope that i would be able to forgive and forget or at least move on and lose the bitterness. I guess i'll never know. You guys definitely have a great team there. I cant wait. Have a good day

I'm on the other side of the pond but I'm sorry that smacks of the changing of the guard and the Colts not being an integral part of the community in Indianapolis which even as an outside and reading both partisan and impartial literature, I know the Baltimore Colts were an integral part of the Baltimore community and just shows your complete ignorance that you can't recognise that.

[jus10rich]

Well,the Colts are an integral part of the Indy Community. If they were ever to leave us, there would be a huge hole in this community and there would be many hurt feelings. I too would be upset, however i also know that the NFL is a business. Team owners are in it for two reasons:

1) love of the game
1a) to make money

I think knowing that, if the owner decided to move the team, i would be mad, but i would understand that he had to do what he had to do. But like i said, it's easy to discuss this in theory as what i would do, its different for you guys because it actually happened. No hard feelings. Like i said, some of the early posters got under my skin. that all

[Pat McGroin]

"Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports."

Maybe, but certainly not impossible. Just ask the Tennessee Titans.

[Rochardrik]

The Colts were never yours. The only NFL City that can make that claim is Green Bay. What i dont understand is the animosity towards the colts organization. The man that made the decision to move the franchise is dead. His son was just a few years out of college and had zero input in that decision. You guys are making the Baltimore Ravens fan base look completly ignorant.

You are wrong on all accounts. We had a real owner in Rosenbloom, and the deal made between the two (Irsay and Rosenbloom) would never fly now. Also, the drunken sot owner purposefully strangled the team to make it worse... That's why the city would not negotiate a new stadium. In addition the young irsay dissed us by authoring a degrading song about the team and the city, and at the time, a new stadium was unnecessary, was just his "excuse". In addition, he went behind the back of his gen mgr and traded Elway for a player who never played a down. It was, in fact the most mis-handled, mis-managed team in the NFL, all starting with Irsay's ownership. In short, The reason the colts are in India-no-place lies NOT with the fans, the city, or the lack of a new stadium, but instead falls squarely on the shoulders of the OWNERSHIP!!! The drunken Sot's (Bob Irsay) own mother called him the "devil on earth" ... a direct quote. Now, 30 years of OUR history are entombed in your Graveyard of a burg, and guess what? We will never like it! or forget it! or fail to capitalize on an oppurtunity afforded us to make a statement(as we can and will this weekend) about how strongly we feel about having been screwed! To compare the wrong the Irsays meted out to Baltimore with ANY other teams moving is to compare apples to rocky mountain oysters!:rolleyes: :insane:

[hurting]

"Give back the colors, the records, and the history. But, its not that common in sports."

Maybe, but certainly not impossible. Just ask the Tennessee Titans.

Don't you mean the Tennessee Oilers? :261695:

[COLTSVOLS]

How about them COLTS!!

[Rochardrik]

You are right about one thing. When all is said and done, Peyton Manning will go down as being the best quarterback of all time. Way ahead of your jonny unitas. At least you got that strait.

What Heresy!!! What ignorance!!! Peyton is a baby whiner who couldn't even begin to lace the shoes of Johhny U. I believe even HE understands that! That is ONE thing I can give him! He is well aware of the greatness of Johhny U! YOU obviously are not! Everything that has been said about this "grudge" we hold pales to the fact that the TOUGHEST qb who ever played the game has his records enshrined "somewhere else". THAT is the crime. That is unconsionable. That is the problem. If we had the history of, say the oilers, the browns, the rams, the chiefs, while these teams surely have their "great players", I for one wouldn't be NEARLY as PISSED. The fact that you don't have a clue in this regard simply screams that you don't have the knowledge to even discuss this with us! JU changed the game, to what it is now! Peyton may well end up w/ more stats, but this is an completely different era,. AND J.U. created it!!!!!:hammer:

[COLTSVOLS]

What Heresy!!! What ignorance!!! Peyton is a baby whiner who couldn't even begin to lace the shoes of Johhny U. I believe even HE understands that! That is ONE thing I can give him! He is well aware of the greatness of Johhny U! YOU obviously are not! Everything that has been said about this "grudge" we hold pales to the fact that the TOUGHEST qb who ever played the game has his records enshrined "somewhere else". THAT is the crime. That is unconsionable. That is the problem. If we had the history of, say the oilers, the browns, the rams, the chiefs, while these teams surely have their "great players", I for one wouldn't be NEARLY as PISSED. The fact that you don't have a clue in this regard simply screams that you don't have the knowledge to even discuss this with us! JU changed the game, to what it is now! Peyton may well end up w/ more stats, but this is an completely different era,. AND J.U. created it!!!!!:hammer:

Why blame all of this on Peyton he has said before that J.U. was one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL but that was than and this is know quit living in the past.

[Mr OC]

As much as I loved the Baltimore Colts, sports teams move and I'm afraid that the National Football League is every bit as guilty of denying heritage as anyone. All one has to do is peruse the NFL Hall of Fame website (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.jsp) and see that. They have Hall of Famers listed by franchise, where the Arizona Cardinals and their parentage (Chicago Cardinals, St. Louis Cardinals) are lumped together, Likewise the Rams (Cleveland Rams, LA Rams, St. Louis Rams), among others. I'm sure LA Rams fans get pissed that Deacon Jones is listed under the St. Louis flag. And the NFL isn't alone in this; I'm sure their are people that are upset that Jackie Robinson is under the LA Dodgers tree in Cooperstown.

As much as it hurts, that's the reality. The NFL nor anyone who wasn't here do not understand how much our Colts were a fabric of our life, not just a football team, but one of us.

[MrsOC]

Very well said.

[Rochardrik]

Why blame all of this on Peyton he has said before that J.U. was one of the greatest quarterbacks in the NFL but that was than and this is know quit living in the past.

Is there ANYTHING in my post that blames our anger on Peyton? Can you read? I said that Peyton understands this much more, obviously , than YOU do! I simply stated that Peyton's accomplishments cannot ever eclipse Johnny U's no matter what the stats say!!!! Unitas was nearly single-handedly responsible for changing the game from a running game to a passing game!!! Look it up!!!!
If your comprehension skills are not adequate to read and understand what you have read, stay home!!!:rolleyes: :insane:
Oh, btw, Peyton IS a BIG whiner!!! when he throws a pick, he whines louder 'n longer than a baby! ... and if you watched the chiefs game, you would be a liar not to agree!!!
And another btw... learn to spell! Hoosier teacher? Norm Crosby?

[Raineman]

jus10-you'll know what it feels like one day. They'll move. It is in the owners blood.

[jus10rich]

Jim Irsay is nothing like his father. I'm not saying that they wont move one day. The NFL is a business. But Indianapolis Fans are inteligent enough to understand that, and though it might be dificult, we would not cry and complain for the next 23 years.

Besides, you guys have a great organazation to cheer for so just let it go!

[Ravens'N'Hoos]

Jim Irsay is nothing like his father.

Then he should've helped us get an expansion team, like his father promised. Instead he complained about "instability in the league" when the Browns moved here.

If you claim you would still root for the Colts if they ever left Indianapolis, you have pitiful civic pride, and you root only for a logo and not for what it means to your hometown.

[bleakdecember]

Jim Irsay owns some really nice guitars..............

Having said that, he's a Qusiling fuck who wants to paint his own clown face.

No go. Gacy did too.

That rat fuck can paint it in chromium..............

(not a very appealing first post, I admit)

A pox upon them.................

DEATH TO THE COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Art-Florida]

Jim Irsay owns some really nice guitars..............

Having said that, he's a Qusiling fuck who wants to paint his own clown face.

No go. Gacy did too.

That rat fuck can paint it in chromium..............

(not a very appealing first post, I admit)

A pox upon them.................

DEATH TO THE COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, but tell us what you really think. ROFLMAO

[deuce]

Excellent 1st post. Welcome to the board brother!

[ravenwoman]

To Just10Rich,

We are the lucky ones. We now have a wonderful, local owner who knows what's its like to lose a team. He was only 23 when the Colts left town.

I am glad you realize that the second Mr. Irsay, Jr. doesn't get his way with your fans, the Mayflowers will be at your front door. There is an old saying "History Repeats Itself" or "He's a Chip off the old block." Then all of you will be singing "Who's Sorry Now?"

[General Lee 01]

ITS TIME TO HUNT, and this clown is in the General's crosshairs. you better run boy.

[HouseofUsher]

I think you'd agree with me when I wish both teams good luck and no injuries.[/QUOTE]


You are utterly mistaken, Indy fan.

This is the revenge scenario we have dreamed of for two decades. We love our Ravens, just as we used to love the Colts, but we have not gotten over the move. We do no forgive Indianapolis. Get over it? Fat chance.

We wish you bad luck and we want to see a prostate Manning lying dazed and bleeding on our blessed turf with several fierce looking Ravens glaring down at him. We want to hurt and humiliate the team and town that defiled our proud past and broke our hearts.

You do not want to be an Indy fan in Baltimore should the unthinkable happen...

[Art-Florida]

"We wish you bad luck and we want to see a prostate Manning lying dazed and bleeding on our blessed turf..."

We? That might be a bit extreme. You know what they say about kharma.

[highwater]

"We? That might be a bit extreme.

No kidding -- speak for yourself, HouseofUsher, not for all of us. Nobody appointed you spokesman for all Ravens fans.

[festivus]

No kidding -- speak for yourself, HouseofUsher, not for all of us. Nobody appointed you spokesman for all Ravens fans.

:iagree:

[HouseofUsher]

Not a spokesman for all Ravens fans? Thanks for the reminder.

I used the first person plural pronoun because I wanted to underscore that there are a lot of Baltimore fans who hold a grudge and aren't interested in absolving Indianapolis and Irsay for what they did to the Colts.

I suppose those who object to my ill wishes for Manning were also offended by what the Ravens did to Roethlisberger?

I don't want the man killed, just knocked down hard and often.

Football is a contact sport, remember?

[highwater]

I don't want the man killed, just knocked down hard and often.


I think we're in agreement on that notion. :thumbup:

[festivus]

I think it was the word "bleeding" that caught some people's eyes. I know it's what caught mine. Certainly sacking him 9 times and watching Bart Scott toss him like a playground toy would be nice. :)

[HouseofUsher]

I do wish Baltimore fans would stop feeling bad about our history being stolen. No one can "steal" history. All the fake "Colts" have are some trinkets to remind them of what they don't have: championships. I'm confident that we will add another this year in Baltimore.

Manning better than Unitas? Where to begin?

Here's a thought: Did anyone ever call Unitas soft?

[festivus]

Here's a thought: Did anyone ever call Unitas soft?

Or just be a ass, like this (http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/fan_interference/01065_peyton_manning_loser_and_jerk.html)?

[Bloom.]

It's unfortunate the Ravens' fans are still hung up on the Colts. After all, the Colts have beaten them the last three times, including games in Baltimore.

It should be a great game on Saturday. Best of the luck to the Ravens.

[festivus]

Bloom, don't oversimplify. This is the 6th page of this thread. If you bother to read through the whole thing you will see we are not all the same.

When we watch tv we see the records and statistics associated with the *Baltimore* Colts, part of our city's legacy, now deliberately attributed to the *Indianapolis* Colts, notwithstanding the feelings of the players.

In other words, it's not the *moving* that still sticks in the craw of many people. It's the *ongoing* theft of the legacy.

That said, I will leave it to you to catch up on this & other threads to get a complete picture. I am surprised that so many of the Indy fans who show up her seem to have little compassion, but maybe the ones who come here are looking for something of an argument.

[Bloom.]

I can see where I may have over simplified things. My fault.

[festivus]

Oh, I see. You're trolling. Nevermind, forget I said anything.

[HouseofUsher]

To be a fan is to be "hung" up. Todays' Ravens fans (the real fans, that is)will be tomorrow Ravens fans and will cherish the 2000 Super Bowl winning team as long as we live.

We wont "get over" that either.

As for the mewling Indy fans looking for friendly faces in Baltimore: They're not saying "get over it", they're saying "forgive us".

Many of us wont. Get over it.

[jus10rich]

Well, i said i would come back win or loose, so here i am. Congrats on a great game. It was about what i expected. Both offenses had trouble moving the ball and it came down to field goals. One or two plays go the other way, (i.e. the nick harper interception at the goal line) and the outcome of this game would have been different. Best of luck next year.