Steelers trying to grab a bust..

[Marcel#52]

Ashley Lelie Visits With Steelers
Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 8:30 a.m.
On Monday, evidence emerged that a first-round receiving bust from the 2001 draft is trying to get noticed again.

Also on Monday, evidence emerged that a quasi-first-round receiving bust from the 2002 draft is trying to stay noticed.

Ashley Lelie, a forgotten man for nearly two months of free agency, has visited the Steelers, according to multiple media reports out of Pittsburgh.

“He had a great visit,” agent Peter Schaffer told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “The Steelers and I are going to continue to have open dialogue. I think there’s some mutual interest, and we’re going to keep discussing it.”

The Steelers have been looking for a replacement for Nate Washington, who signed a free-agent deal with the Titans. Their second-round pick from 2008, Limas Sweed, could fill the void . . . if/when he shows he can catch the ball. This year, the Steelers picked Morley Safer Mike Wallace in the third round, who also will be in the mix.

We’re told that Lelie has had conversations with other teams, but no other visits are scheduled.

He entered the league in 2002 as a first-round pick of the Broncos. After an ugly contact dispute, he was shipped to the Falcons in 2006. He then signed with the Niners for 2007, and jumped to the other side of the Bay for 2008.

In seven NFL seasons, Lelie has broken the 1,000-yard barrier only once, in 2004. Last year with the Raiders, he caught eleven passes for 197 yards and two touchdowns in 13 appearances.

I'm glab that we have a secondary thats stacked with fast speedy guys... cause it seemed like teams 3rd wr would burn us (Corey Ivy anyone?)

Your Thoughts and opinions?

[RavenScallywag]

Given the way Oz seems to want to handle our WR situation, Lelie might be a guy I could see US bringing in, to bolster our depth.

That said, he can go to the Steelers and suck big time, that's ok by me.

Still, got to wonder how much they are trying to stack at WR...They've already got Limas Sweed, and drafted Mike Wallace, to replace Washington, now they're looking at Lelie too?

[the_scarecrow3]

Limas Sweed couldn't catch an STD dating Kim Kardashian (sorry Reggie). I can't remember which game it was, but I think it was the first game we played them @ Pitt when he dropped a WIDE OPEN pass that would've been a touchdown. Afterwards he layed on the ground like he was hurt and the trainers had to come get him.

It reminded me of that old Snickers commercial:

The wide receiver is wide open and the pass hits him in the chest and the ball drops as he get crushed by the safety and you hear the crowd boo.

Trainer: Are you hurt?
Receiver: Of course I'm hurt. When people boo, it hurts my feelings.
Trainer: Fans have a right to boo.
Receiver: I don't think the quarterback likes me.
Trainer: But the ball hit you right in the numbers.
Receiver: No it didn't...
Snickers Voice: Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a Snickers.

Does anyone else remember that commercial or am I just old?

[RavenScallywag]

can't say I remember the commercial, but the drop was in the AFC Championship game...

true, he dropped it, but I bet he doesn't make that same mistake again, and if he makes that catch, that was a SURE TD, he had Washington beat by about 5-10 yards. Pretty sure he'll be a nice threat in their offense by next year, if not this year.

[Jeremiah W]

Limas Sweed couldn't catch an STD dating Kim Kardashian (sorry Reggie). I can't remember which game it was, but I think it was the first game we played them @ Pitt when he dropped a WIDE OPEN pass that would've been a touchdown. Afterwards he layed on the ground like he was hurt and the trainers had to come get him.

It reminded me of that old Snickers commercial:

The wide receiver is wide open and the pass hits him in the chest and the ball drops as he get crushed by the safety and you hear the crowd boo.

Trainer: Are you hurt?
Receiver: Of course I'm hurt. When people boo, it hurts my feelings.
Trainer: Fans have a right to boo.
Receiver: I don't think the quarterback likes me.
Trainer: But the ball hit you right in the numbers.
Receiver: No it didn't...
Snickers Voice: Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a Snickers.

Does anyone else remember that commercial or am I just old?

Was that not Leon, a parity of SheShawn? That was hillarious, and I almost forgot. good post.

[awalt]

Given the way Oz seems to want to handle our WR situation, Lelie might be a guy I could see US bringing in, to bolster our depth.

The Ravens said there were only 4 WRs in the draft better than the guys on our roster. Fans I guess want the Ravens to reach for some mediocre guy, instread of picking a guy that can truly make our team better. If our 4th WR is no better than our 3rd, why get him? There is not a single "expert" who thought more than TWO WRs in the draft had a chance to be a LEGIT #1. Why draft more Marcus Smith's when we have a few on our roster already behind the top 3? Is reaching for a Mark Clayton at best in round 2 or 3 better than the Ravens BPA strategy at that point?

The Ravens have been pretty open about what their strategy was, there was no one available who could help at the time we picked without being a reach and they weren't going to do that.

If you think that's a bad strategy, that's your opinion. But to make it sound like Ozzie wants to handle it in some irrational way is baseless. Decosta said it perfectly last night, you can't fix everything at once, and if you force it you will not have nearly as good a football team. So why not just chill and stop insulting the guy that's built a pretty darn good football team.

[the_scarecrow3]

I believe that was Leon, before he was Leon. That was like 10 years ago. Do you remember the other snickers commercial where the old man is meticulously painting the Kansas City end zone by hand and he steps back to look at his work like a proud father. Then a fat football player walks up to him....

Player: That's great, but who are the CHEFS?
Old Man: Great Googley Moogley!
Snickers Voice: Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a snickers.

THAT was one of my favorites...oh oh oh, that one and the one where the QB gets sacked and the coach comes running onto the field:

Coach: Are you okay?
QB: Yeah, I'm fine.
Coach: Do you know where you are?
QB: I'm at the game.
Coach: Do you know who I am?
QB: Yeah, you're the coach.
Coach: Do you know who you are?
QB: I'm batman!
Coach: Sit down.
Snickers Voice: Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a snickers.
QB: (sitting on the bench talking to a random player) To the Batmobile!

Ahahahahaha, man, good times. Sure beats the pants off actually working while I'm in the office.

[pyite32]

I would love to grab Lelie, I think he had a lot of potential.

What about the southwest commercial where the QB goes into the huddle sort of chuckling and says.

"Okay guys, if any team will fall for this play it's definetely the Jets"

Then looks up to see he is in the Jets Huddle...

Wanna get away!

[Jeremiah W]

My favorite is still the Bertt Favre one going around and telling average dopes what they should have done. "I would have double bagged it."

[52decleetzu]

The Ravens said there were only 4 WRs in the draft better than the guys on our roster. Fans I guess want the Ravens to reach for some mediocre guy, instread of picking a guy that can truly make our team better. If our 4th WR is no better than our 3rd, why get him? There is not a single "expert" who thought more than TWO WRs in the draft had a chance to be a LEGIT #1. Why draft more Marcus Smith's when we have a few on our roster already behind the top 3? Is reaching for a Mark Clayton at best in round 2 or 3 better than the Ravens BPA strategy at that point?

The Ravens have been pretty open about what their strategy was, there was no one available who could help at the time we picked without being a reach and they weren't going to do that.

If you think that's a bad strategy, that's your opinion. But to make it sound like Ozzie wants to handle it in some irrational way is baseless. Decosta said it perfectly last night, you can't fix everything at once, and if you force it you will not have nearly as good a football team. So why not just chill and stop insulting the guy that's built a pretty darn good football team.

This.

[Jeremiah W]

Last year the chicken littles had in drilled into thier heads that the O line was going to be garbage, but Oz knew he had some players developing and waiting in the wings. Marcus Smith, Williams and Figurs could and even should all be better than any Wr we could have got after the 2nd round. Since the front office did not pick a wr it should be safe to assume that they are ok there and have some good back up plans anyway.

[purplepoe]

Last year the chicken littles had in drilled into thier heads that the O line was going to be garbage, but Oz knew he had some players developing and waiting in the wings. Marcus Smith, Williams and Figurs could and even should all be better than any Wr we could have got after the 2nd round. Since the front office did not pick a wr it should be safe to assume that they are ok there and have some good back up plans anyway.

Actually, the reality was most everyone was very happy with the interior of the line and worried about the tackles.

And rightfully so. Obviously Ozzie was too as he went out and signed Willie Anderson. Terry just isn't the answer at either side.

Gaither was the wild card and exceeded expections. The coaching staff was very worried about Gaither going into the season but they rolled the dice because there really were no other viable options.

Williams and Smith will definitely be in the mix.

Figurs will have a tough time making the team IMO.

The Oher pick was a must and really a no brainer. We now have the makings of a top OL in the league.

The WR position could definitely be upgraded but not by over reaching for a project. I still think they might bring a vet in.


PP

[Paintballguy]

I believe that was Leon, before he was Leon. That was like 10 years ago. Do you remember the other snickers commercial where the old man is meticulously painting the Kansas City end zone by hand and he steps back to look at his work like a proud father. Then a fat football player walks up to him....

Player: That's great, but who are the CHEFS?
Old Man: Great Googley Moogley!
Snickers Voice: Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a snickers.

THAT was one of my favorites...oh oh oh, that one and the one where the QB gets sacked and the coach comes running onto the field:

Coach: Are you okay?
QB: Yeah, I'm fine.
Coach: Do you know where you are?
QB: I'm at the game.
Coach: Do you know who I am?
QB: Yeah, you're the coach.
Coach: Do you know who you are?
QB: I'm batman!
Coach: Sit down.
Snickers Voice: Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a snickers.
QB: (sitting on the bench talking to a random player) To the Batmobile!

Ahahahahaha, man, good times. Sure beats the pants off actually working while I'm in the office.

haha i remember those. they were hilarious.

[HoustonRaven]

Enjoy ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPRscxQZs8E

One of my favs of all time. The "Leon" ads from Bud were pretty damn funny and quite the social commentary on some athletes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BkIh1R5utY

[psuasskicker]

Actually, the reality was most everyone was very happy with the interior of the line and worried about the tackles.

And rightfully so. Obviously Ozzie was too as he went out and signed Willie Anderson. Terry just isn't the answer at either side.

Gaither was the wild card and exceeded expections. The coaching staff was very worried about Gaither going into the season but they rolled the dice because there really were no other viable options.

...

The Oher pick was a must and really a no brainer. We now have the makings of a top OL in the league.

Yes. Not to mention that much of the OL's - specifically the T's - success has to be credited to Cam using unbalanced lines and keeping Heap in to help block a significant amount more than he did in the past. There were several plays we had three OTs on the field, and many plays where our OL was essentially 7 guys with three OTs and Heap/other TE blocking on the outsides.

Hind-sight is 20/20 JW. Just cause the OL actually played well last year doesn't mean the analysis that there were significant risks at the bookends was not solid analysis.

The one thing I thought about WR was that at some point we at least had to think about a trade up to look at Crabtree. The Niners got good value getting him at #10 overall...

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[Jeremiah W]

Yes. Not to mention that much of the OL's - specifically the T's - success has to be credited to Cam using unbalanced lines and keeping Heap in to help block a significant amount more than he did in the past. There were several plays we had three OTs on the field, and many plays where our OL was essentially 7 guys with three OTs and Heap/other TE blocking on the outsides.

Hind-sight is 20/20 JW. Just cause the OL actually played well last year doesn't mean the analysis that there were significant risks at the bookends was not solid analysis.

The one thing I thought about WR was that at some point we at least had to think about a trade up to look at Crabtree. The Niners got good value getting him at #10 overall...

- C -

Hindsight schmindsight. I told you guys Gaither was beast 3 years ago. I saw him pancake Super Mario when he was a freshman, chase him over to the right side, and then follow him over there and continue pounding him into the turf. It was sick. I was like when did the Fridge recruit a J.O.? The stuff that led him to go from that to not making the grades and going in the 5th round of the supplimental were all mental, and good coaching and cold cash can always help you get your mind right.

Then there was the Billick factor. I made a pretty long list of offensive players who basically had the opposite effect of the defensive players while in the perimeters of the prudent purple profile. Derrick Anderson all of a sudden learned how to play. Jamal Lewis got his groove back. Travis freaking Taylor lerned how to catch and not fall right down for at least his first season out of the system. Then there was the guys who knew how to play before they got here and had proven to be productive, only to come here and;
a, suck,
b, not be nearly as good as they used to be,
c, cry and quit football instead of come back in the building.
D Elvis all of the above, and most other players on offense fall in to one or all.

The injury situation was also a huge factor. We did not have enough good O line players healthy to look good most of the time, but they did have some good games and flashes, solid interior, and young guys got valuable reps.

RT has always been a relvolving door, but now it seems we are more than solid all the way accross and will not be nearly as vunerable to injury up front.

[psuasskicker]

Yeah JW, you're a freakin' genius when the team does well.

Your purple shades offer mighty fine bragging rights when the team overperforms. Congratulations on that. The problem is that your analysis itself wasn't in any way solid.

Gaither had tons of raw talent and was admitted to be a project that likely would take a long time to develop. He came up to speed far faster than expected, and frankly he still was only "average" last year...he was not in fact "a beast" as you like to say.

I have no idea what you're talking about the Billick factor making players worse. You mean Steve McNair who came here after he was already clearly on the decline and his arm so weak he couldn't throw 5 yard outs? Congratulations on being one of the 7,000,000 that saw that coming. GrBac? You weren't around then so let's not go there. Who the hell else are you talking about? I know you're not talking about defensive players, cause virtually all if not all have been better here than anywhere else.
Your other examples are stupid. DA had one good season and a disaster last year. Jamal played exceptionally well under Billick...let's not pretend he was awesome, then Billick came around and ruined him. Travis Taylor? You know how many YPG he averaged for his career? 39.6 How 'bout how many he averaged while he was in Minny? 39.2 TD numbers are the exact same as well. Calling your research methods "pathetic" would be giving you too much credit.

Injuries always play big factors. So what?

Look, there's a reason that Vegas had the o/u win total on us at 6 prior to last season. Simply because we won 11 does not mean that your analysis was good and Vegas' was bad. I know you think that it proves you right. But the reality is that's not how the world works, and not how solid analysis works.

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[HoustonRaven]

I told you guys Gaither was beast 3 years ago

And that Culpepper was a beast ...

and Peppers ....

and Clayton (also proclaiming he would be a HoFer) ...

and that is was a lock CMac would be back ...

and the dozen or so other proclomations you've made in those same 3 years.

Do you honestly think anyone here takes you seriously anymore? I ask that in all honesty.

If we had a running talley on proclomations you've made in the last 2 years, it's a lock you've been correct maybe 5% of the time.

You're the machine gun of posters -- you shoot a thousand rounds, hoping one or two hit bulls eye and scream success when they hit their mark.

That doesnt take much skill. Only a willingness to waist your own time.

[psuasskicker]

Still worth noting: Gaither wasn't "a beast" last year. Gaither was at best a slightly above average LT. Which is very good, especially considering the learning curve he was expected to take. However, let's not pretend he was anything spectacular.

JW put him in a category of Tom Brady and called him essentially one of if not the steal of the decade. Calling such a statement laughable would be severely understating how ridiculous it really was...

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[RavensDomination]

Do you honestly think anyone here takes you seriously anymore? I ask that in all honesty.

http://www.naturalfamilyblog.com/Pot%20Kettle.jpg

[Jeremiah W]

And that Culpepper was a beast ...

and Peppers ....

and Clayton (also proclaiming he would be a HoFer) ...

and that is was a lock CMac would be back ...

and the dozen or so other proclomations you've made in those same 3 years.

Do you honestly think anyone here takes you seriously anymore? I ask that in all honesty.

If we had a running talley on proclomations you've made in the last 2 years, it's a lock you've been correct maybe 5% of the time.

You're the machine gun of posters -- you shoot a thousand rounds, hoping one or two hit bulls eye and scream success when they hit their mark.

That doesnt take much skill. Only a willingness to waist your own time.

More like I missed 5% and circle dotted your arguments with a tommy gun.

Daunte was my last man standing of the vet Qbs on the market who I said would be a better bridge to Flacco than Boller or Smith, because we could contend while rebuilding as long as we get decent QB play. Daunte in his day was a beast, for what Boller was making I thought he may have made a difference and got us to a better start than 2 and 3 with 2 tds and 7 picks like Flacco. Pennington was the guy I prefered, or one of the vets from TB, but my point was proven. The Loveboat sailed again, and the Ravens did contend, and would have had the 1 or 2 seed with a better start.


Peppers is a beast. Is still available, and the Ravens clearly had a need at pass rush, they seem to have filled at a much better price with Paul Kruger.

C Mac may still be coming back, I never said it was a lock or claimed to know what was said behind closed doors, just suggested the Samari Rolle route with trying to bring him back, if his mind, body and contract are all right.

You were just as active a poster as I, just wrong at every turn. Now you ae trying to cherry pick a few of the hundreds of topics I touched on trying to find 3 or 4 where my take was less than spot on. Who is really WAISTing more time. I do not normally take the time to breakdown all the reasons why and when you are wrong, but keep it up and I will start quoting your own nonsense and hatorade back at you.

Mark Clayton is a playmaker. That was all I said about him. I never put him in the hall of fame, just pointed out some hall of fame Wrs that had less production than he did in the first 3 seasons.

Even when you go out of your way to prove me wrong, you get it wrong. Troll someone else that you have a chance to beat.

[psuasskicker]

That's sorta sad....

Culpepper was horrible last year. His QB rating was one point higher than Boller's rookie year. And don't give garbage about playing with the Lions. He flat sucked, and he would have sucked here, too.

You're not giving anyone a news flash that Peppers is a great player. That's a pathetic feather in your cap. You did in fact say that you thought there was a good chance we could get him. More specifically, you said you believed we were one of the teams on his list that he wanted to go to. Find us any credible source that's said the same and you can claim victory there.

CMac isn't coming back. It's like 0.02% that he'll come back. We're five deep at the position plus a mid-round draft pick.

Clayton made a couple decent plays last year. Show me an NFL WR that's starting that hasn't made a couple decent plays in a season. You in fact said you thought Clayton was a good receiver, or maybe it was that you said he was better than average. I very clearly showed that no, in fact he's not...he is at best an average #2 WR in this league. He's borderline bust, and the only reason he's starting is because we can't get an actually average NFL starter in the door to push him into the slot.

Add in the fact that you either give no evidence to support a position or you simply make it up if you decide to actually try to lay out evidence to support your argument, and you have weakness across the board.

Congratulations on being right that the Ravens would have a good season and that Culpepper would start a game this past season.

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[Jeremiah W]

That's sorta sad....

Culpepper was horrible last year. His QB rating was one point higher than Boller's rookie year. And don't give garbage about playing with the Lions. He flat sucked, and he would have sucked here, too.

You're not giving anyone a news flash that Peppers is a great player. That's a pathetic feather in your cap. You did in fact say that you thought there was a good chance we could get him. More specifically, you said you believed we were one of the teams on his list that he wanted to go to. Find us any credible source that's said the same and you can claim victory there.

CMac isn't coming back. It's like 0.02% that he'll come back. We're five deep at the position plus a mid-round draft pick.

Clayton made a couple decent plays last year. Show me an NFL WR that's starting that hasn't made a couple decent plays in a season. You in fact said you thought Clayton was a good receiver, or maybe it was that you said he was better than average. I very clearly showed that no, in fact he's not...he is at best an average #2 WR in this league. He's borderline bust, and the only reason he's starting is because we can't get an actually average NFL starter in the door to push him into the slot.

Add in the fact that you either give no evidence to support a position or you simply make it up if you decide to actually try to lay out evidence to support your argument, and you have weakness across the board.

Congratulations on being right that the Ravens would have a good season and that Culpepper would start a game this past season.

- C -

Clayton is a good solid Wr, a playmaker and an above average #2 WR. When he has been healthy and with a good QB he has produced and the team won. That is indisputable. You can judge him on his stats and thow a bunch of names of Wrs who produce for losers and make the case that they are better, but I will pass on the diva drama queen wideouts that draw paparazzi as much as they draw double coverage and watch Clayton and Holmes make plays in the post season on TV. Mark Clayton did what Cam asked him to do. He blocked, he ran deep with no hope of getting the ball and found someone to block every time he got a chance. Not dirty or physical like Hines Ward, but he is just as active looking to help make big plays happen by blocking as he is. He throws TDs and runs reverses and allows the Ravens to keep 2 Qbs active and play #2 in the game. You keep clamoring to replace and upgrade a guy that is getting the job done like it is a huge need, and you are wrong. Your proof is not fool proof Wr is the most over rated spot in sports and I have proven that a lot more convincingly than you have proven Clayton is not an above average one.

As far as the Loveboat, all I wanted was to give a look, let him push Joe and Troy, and at least tell them what it was like to run a great offense if not show them. He would have cost less than Boller, and that was the guy I wanted him to compete with for a roster spot because while there was a huge prize of the starting job, there was no real pressure of job security like in most other spots in camp. I said Daunte will play, you swore up and down he was done and now you are bitter that I won.


I never said I knew for sure Peppers wanted to play here, just reported what I heard. He wants out, he wants to play 3-4 OLB to max his potential, and most likley would want to play for a contender. His situation is unresolved, it is an interesting possibility to me even if it is a 1% chance to get the most prolific pass rusher since he came into the NFL.

As far as C Mac coming back, It looks like now we may not need him, but a week ago we were still pretty thin at qualtiy CB. He has always been a raven and a very good player, the details of why he was out were never confirmed and other than injury and salary, unless Harbs lied to his face and/ or C Mac lied about what he said to him, there is a path for him to come back and play here. Right now it may be blocked, but until he joins another team, he is an interesting fall back option if injury or incometence creep into the CB depth chart.

I am not trying to crow on you for getting a lot of my pre season picks last year right, but I am not going to let the recod get twisted or my position on any issue altered or misremembered. I have direct links to any quotes you need to jog your memory, but I never claimed to be a know it all, just calling it like I see it like everyone else here. Just see a lot more clearly than you so far, but I am mostly guessing so am going to be wrong. So what dork? dont be a jerk.

[psuasskicker]

No, Clayton is not a better than avg #2 WR. I've already proven that.

You said you wanted Culpepper in cause he could be better than Boller. Many said he couldn't. Last year he wasn't.

Like I said, show me one credible source that has indicated Peppers wants to play here. You said you thought we were on his list. No basis for that what-so-ever, but you staunchly defended the position despite absolute lack of evidence. Don't back-track.

Keep spinning CMac's coming back or not. You said you thought he'd probably come back, and it's not gonna happen. It's stuff like this that gives you no credibility. You claim "WICTORY!!!" on these WAGs you get right. Then, when these come along and you're wrong, you completely twist the story around to sound like you were wishy washy about it in the first place so it doesn't really count as you being wrong.

Try harder.

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[Jeremiah W]

No, Clayton is not a better than avg #2 WR. I've already proven that.

You said you wanted Culpepper in cause he could be better than Boller. Many said he couldn't. Last year he wasn't.

Like I said, show me one credible source that has indicated Peppers wants to play here. You said you thought we were on his list. No basis for that what-so-ever, but you staunchly defended the position despite absolute lack of evidence. Don't back-track.

Keep spinning CMac's coming back or not. You said you thought he'd probably come back, and it's not gonna happen. It's stuff like this that gives you no credibility. You claim "WICTORY!!!" on these WAGs you get right. Then, when these come along and you're wrong, you completely twist the story around to sound like you were wishy washy about it in the first place so it doesn't really count as you being wrong.

Try harder.

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If Cb was still a need, C Mac was healthy I still think he would be in the mix. I am not, nor ever was backtracking. I never said I knew he was coming back, I just said the open market should help his ego accept his offer. There is nothing to take back about what I said, because it all was pending on his exit physical which he failed. If he would have been healthy, he may have still been in the mix. He was not, so the issue is incomplete or irrelavent until he can prove he is healthy enough to even play.

I am not caliming wictory, I am showing how full of crap you are. You keep hammering on Clayton even while watching him prove you wrong the second half of the season. You were pre judging him, like I said. I did not say for sure he would be great, but he was clearly not a bust even if he had not lived up to your expectations. Obviously the coaches and FO has a lot more confidence in him than you, or he would have already been upgraded this off season. Instead they decided all they needed to get him open is a little more time in the pocket and more TEs out in pass routes.

If Boller was actually better last year, or ever in his life than Cullpepper, Kyle, not Daunte would be warming up the seat for Stafford in Detroit. Not getting him worked out just fine, so if you want to say I wrong that is fine. I just wanted teh coaches to work him out, but Cam and Oz knew a lot more about him and what they had in Flacco than I did. Big suprise. You are the one who acts like you know everything and has to dispute every opinion I put out there with non sense facts stats and arguments that do not measure up. Clayton is a winner, and on that debate, and a lot of other ones you were a loser, that does not mean I won just that I was right. I did not know we were keeping score until you tried to twist the record.

[pyite32]

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clayton is very close to a bust considering we used a 1st round pick on him. He is an average at best WR right now. Maybe he steps it up with a consistant QB. This year will tell the tale

Culpeper sucks, he has always sucked. The only reason he was ever good was b/c he would lob the ball up into a crowd and Moss would jump up above everyone and get it. As soon as Moss left his career tanked. BTW this was also the only reason Billick is and Offensive Genius.

McCallister burned way too many bridges and is way to much of a headcase to come back to baltimore and it was always that way.

The Ravens will never sign Peppers for his ridiculous asking price.


Who cares who said what 12 months ago. THE END!

[psuasskicker]

Clayton had two awesome games in the second half of last season. In the other six, he averaged 36 YPG, which is lower than his career's 43 YPG average. For the full season - a better gauge and includes his two dominant games - he averaged 43 YPG, his career avg.

Other extremely mediocre WRs that had a couple dominant games that one could cherry-pick a game sub-segment and make it seem as though they are busting out into a great player:
- Justin Gage
- Matt Jones
- Devery Henderson
- Ted Ginn
- Donnie Avery
- Greg Camarillo

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[HoustonRaven]

Seriously, what was I thinking for getting involved.

Not gonna make the same mistake again.

Welcome to ignores-ville JW.

[v2burghboy]

As a Steelers fan, I would just like to say I wish Mr. Newsome thought like JW...it would make life a lot easier for the Steelers.

M.Clayton an above average #2 receiver..pfft, golly jw, you are a bright one

Good luck this upcoming season guys. Hope your boy Flacco doesn't turn into anything special too soon.

[RavensDomination]

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clayton is very close to a bust considering we used a 1st round pick on him. He is an average at best WR right now. Maybe he steps it up with a consistant QB. This year will tell the tale

Not living up to expectations? I'll give you that. But an all out bust? No way.

You are right though, this year will tell the tale.

[wickedsolo]

Limas Sweed is going to be just fine for them. Last year was his first.

I can understand why they are bringing in Lelie.

That doesnt bother me at all, he stinks. Of course, he did play on the Raiders last year, so that might have something to do with it...:laugh:

[psuasskicker]

I don't think it's possible to argue Sweed will be okay given his propensity to drop balls that my 5 year old could catch. That guy had hands of stone, and it doesn't take long for guys like that to work themselves out of a job. You can either catch, or you can't, and right now he looks like he can't.

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[Jeremiah W]

I don't think it's possible to argue Sweed will be okay given his propensity to drop balls that my 5 year old could catch. That guy had hands of stone, and it doesn't take long for guys like that to work themselves out of a job. You can either catch, or you can't, and right now he looks like he can't.

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Your kid would never get off the line. T.O. drops a ton of passes as well, but he is always open. I think you can develop the hands more than you can develop the ability to get open.

[yeahravens]

http://www.naturalfamilyblog.com/Pot%20Kettle.jpg

LMFAO!!!!!!!!


Bullseye!