Panthers Interested In Boller?

[PurpleRulz]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/

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This would be an excellent move for Baltimore, Carolina and Boller.

1. For Baltimore: It is an opportunity to get as high a draft pick as we can for Boller (maybe a 3rd or 4th. I'd take that). Baltimore ought to strike while Boller's value is high right now. We can then start fresh with a drafted QB this 2007 draft.

2. For Carolina: It gives them a young QB in need of a change of scenery that could also challenge for the starting job eventually. Boller did well when playing the Panthers and could utilize him as a backup to Jake Delhomme.

3. For Boller: It gives him a much needed FRESH START! Face facts folks, Boller is NOT the future here in Baltimore. The players have no faith in him (I don't care what is publicly said), and the fanbase, for the most part, has no faith in Boller. Boller will always be under the microscope here in Baltimore by players and fans. I am sure Boller still carries with him the day Ravens fans cheered when he was injured. If Boller is to salvage anything in his NFL career, it will have to come with another team. This could be his chance and the best thing the Ravens franchise can do is to let Boller go while at the same time, get something in return for Boller.

I hope this trade happens. It would end the Boller hugger/hater crap, and we can start fresh with a new QB. (Maybe a Kevin Kolb hugger/hater club? How about a Byron Leftwich hugger/hater club. There was a rumor that we would pursue Leftwich to groom behind McNair. I like that idea).

[festivus]

The timing is perfect, with one year left on his contract.

Good post, good argument.

[FHRaven]

I'd do that deal for a #2 pick if they would go that high. Unlikely, but I would do it.

If the offer was for 3rd or a 4th I'd want a contingency that if he ends up playing a certain number of games (or something like that) that it becomes a #2.

[LBoogy]

Great post PR. Pretty compelling argument.

The problem with Kyle's situation is that some Baltimore fans will hate him regardless what he does.

I still like his chances to become our QB of the future, rather than going with another rookie; but, that may be a bit unrealistic at this point. If we can get a 3rd round pick or higher for him, I'd probably take it.

The sad thing is that Kyle does a lot of things well, but his progress is sometimes overshadowed by boneheaded mistakes. If we were to resign him, I'd also be content.

[PARavensJeff]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/

(I hope this trade happens. It would end the Boller hugger/hater crap, and we can start fresh with a new QB. (Maybe a Kevin Kolb hugger/hater club? How about a Byron Leftwich hugger/hater club. There was a rumor that we would pursue Leftwich to groom behind McNair. I like that idea).

While I am in the Boller fan club, a change of scenery is what is best & right for Kyle, I wouldn't do it for less than a 3rd w/ contingency on PT upgrading the pick. Also, as far as your comment of Leftwich, no I don't want him here. We already had 1 water buffalo here in 99 & he lasted 6 quarters. We don't need a water buffalo II.

[PurpleRulz]

While I am in the Boller fan club, a change of scenery is what is best & right for Kyle, I wouldn't do it for less than a 3rd w/ contingency on PT upgrading the pick. Also, as far as your comment of Leftwich, no I don't want him here. We already had 1 water buffalo here in 99 & he lasted 6 quarters. We don't need a water buffalo II.


1. I am sensing that you guys would trade Boller for a draft pick in the 2008 draft. I would move Boller for a draft pick in this coming 2007 draft. I agree that I would try for a 2nd round pick, but realistically, we'd probably end up with a 3rd or 4th pick in the 2007 draft. I would take that.

2. I hear what you are saying about Leftwich, but the guy has talent, and he is in a similiar situation in Jax as Boller is here. Leftwich was kind of thrown to the wolves, because Jax was in a rush to replace Brunell. I am sure Leftwich has a hater/hugger club dow there. Byron has some mobility, and alot of talent, and would probably serve well to have a true mentor in McNair. I think Leftwich has a great future as well, but it won't come in Jax. Byron needs a major change of scenery.

[ravensfan1996]

One thing you overlooked is that we have no back up QB if we get rid of Mcnair. Olsen is on the practice sqaud but very unproven. Kyle whether liked or not, did exactly what we need of him this year, come in and fill in for Mcnair when we needed him too. Id only trade boller for another QB that needs a change of scenery....dont know what that would be right now.

[PurpleRulz]

One thing you overlooked is that we have no back up QB if we get rid of Mcnair. Olsen is on the practice sqaud but very unproven. Kyle whether liked or not, did exactly what we need of him this year, come in and fill in for Mcnair when we needed him too. Id only trade boller for another QB that needs a change of scenery....dont know what that would be right now.

As stated in the thread, we could go after a Byron Leftwich or draft a first day QB to serve as the backup. A backup QB is not hard to find.

[ExiledRaven]

a 3rd going to a 2nd based on playing time would be fantastic, might even be better to do a 3rd this year and conditional 4th for next year depending.

Kyle has potential to be successful, but he needs a fresh start away from the QB meat grinder of the 90s and 00s

[Mista T]

Anything short of a first rounder or DelHomme, this would be a mistake. Boller's contract is cap friendly, McNair is 34 going on 50, and really showed his deterioration the last two TD-less games. We need 2007 insurance, and probably a new starter in 2008, and Olson is a question mark.

[Art-Florida]

Did it rain? All the mushrooms have sprouted out. Oh, wait, those are haters.
You wanna aee some hatred? They dump Boller and sign Leftwich, you'll really some. Pass.

[Gwaihir]

Getting rid of Boller this year is truly insane! If you want to scrap the Playoffs next year and just start rebuilding now, then trade him. Of Course you should get rid of everyone else over 30 on the roster! There is no way we make it to the Playoffs next year w/o Boller backing up McNair!

[ExiledRaven]

right. That's what it depends on ....Franchise-trading/not signing AD or trading Boller is a sign the team is going to go with ups and downs of getting value for a player or being conservative with respect to the cap.

It'll be a very interesting thing to see what happens.

[General Lee 01]

looks like pure speculation, but its a good idea. i'd definitely pull the trigger on this if we could get a high draft pick.

[highwater]

While I agree that this might make sense for several reasons, I can't get past this commonly cited remark:


The players have no faith in him (I don't care what is publicly said), and the fanbase, for the most part, has no faith in Boller.

"The players have no faith in him" -- and how do you know this? People are quick to trot out this Preston-like bullshit but can't back it up at all. Opinion presented as if it were fact.

And as far as the trade goes, Boller (I believe) has only one year left on his contract, so why not wait until he's a UFA and sign him then?

[ravenmad71]

Making a trade for Boller would be interesting. Yes there is a need for a new start for him and Baltimore., butat the same time going into the 07 season, the team still would need a quality back up QB . Though we all have experienced Boller's comedy of errors, unless truly overwhelmed with a 2nd round pick... It may prove best to hold on to him.

[ravensfan1996]

Getting a high draft pick for boller doesnt mean we will get a good back up qb...only means a draft pick.....QB's in the draft rarely become good enough to back up right away. Id rather keep boller only trading him for another QB that needs different scenery.

I definitely dont want to go into 07 with only mcnair, olsen and some rookie qb's.

[RockyMRaven]

One thing you overlooked is that we have no back up QB if we get rid of Mcnair. Olsen is on the practice sqaud but very unproven. Kyle whether liked or not, did exactly what we need of him this year, come in and fill in for Mcnair when we needed him too. Id only trade boller for another QB that needs a change of scenery....dont know what that would be right now.

:iagree:

Not only did Kyle fill in very well for McNair, he put a spark into the offense when he came in. I would have loved to have had him in there in McNair's listless and ineffective games. He knows the offense, he has clearly improved, and there's hardly any reason to believe that McNair will be able to play all the games next season. Why bring in someone else who has to learn the system at this point? Isn't there a plan to make another SuperBowl run in 2007?

I think that Kyle will be a good quarterback, and I'm still hoping that it will be for the Ravens, although I acknowledge that there is an army of haters out there that will not give the kid a chance to succeed, no matter what.

[Mikerobe]

Byron Leftwich? You're kidding, right?

[Greg]

Doing this, at least as suggested, means we draft a guy (I assume high if you are talking grooming him under the assumption he will be good) to come in. Are we to go into next season with McNair, a rookie and a Olsen? Not it we want to win next year.


Face facts folks, Boller is NOT the future here in Baltimore. The players have no faith in him (I don't care what is publicly said), and the fanbase, for the most part, has no faith in Boller.
The fans faith rises and falls with each appearance, save those in love and those in hate with Boller. It means nothing and it shouldn't.

The players who don't want their last shot to be with Boller aren't going to be here much longer. Again, non-issue.

Billick has not waivered in regard to Boller, nor has Ozzie. When they do you might have a signal. I doubt we trade away our insurance for next season on a 3rd or 4th round pick. Tell me, who have we drafted in either of those rounds that makes this worthwhile considering how important Boller was in the C-choke win? And this season McNair stayed quite healthy, what about next year?

Williams, Stokley and Mulitalo are the only guys I would say we have gotten out of those rounds worth this gamble. So after 20 plus picks we got 3 guys. Less than a 15% chance we trade Boller for one of these guys? I don't think so.

[PurpleRulz]

Doing this, at least as suggested, means we draft a guy (I assume high if you are talking grooming him under the assumption he will be good) to come in. Are we to go into next season with McNair, a rookie and a Olsen? Not it we want to win next year.


The fans faith rises and falls with each appearance, save those in love and those in hate with Boller. It means nothing and it shouldn't.

The players who don't want their last shot to be with Boller aren't going to be here much longer. Again, non-issue.

Billick has not waivered in regard to Boller, nor has Ozzie. When they do you might have a signal. I doubt we trade away our insurance for next season on a 3rd or 4th round pick. Tell me, who have we drafted in either of those rounds that makes this worthwhile considering how important Boller was in the C-choke win? And this season McNair stayed quite healthy, what about next year?

Williams, Stokley and Mulitalo are the only guys I would say we have gotten out of those rounds worth this gamble. So after 20 plus picks we got 3 guys. Less than a 15% chance we trade Boller for one of these guys? I don't think so.


In the 4th round last season, we drafted Demetrius Williams.

Okay, we will fail to make the playoffs if Boller is not our backup. That's a riot!:rolling: Clayton saved Boller's performance against the Panthers. Boller, to be fair, played well against the Stains, but that was based off of two good passes (to DW and Clayton). Folks are forgetting the bumbling and stumbling he did for the rest of the game.

Bakup QBs are a dime a dozen. Hell, Jeff Garcia is available. He came in and led the Eagles to the postseason. Backups are that for a reason and can be found easily.

I have nothing against Boller, but the conflict (and sometimes borderline hostility) that is demonstrated in the thread is a reason why Boller needs a fresh start.


Strike while his value is high and trade Boller if there is interest. We can replace him with either a high round drafted QB or just sign a backup from FA. Finding backups is not hard.

[purplepoe]

Anything short of a first rounder or DelHomme, this would be a mistake. Boller's contract is cap friendly, McNair is 34 going on 50, and really showed his deterioration the last two TD-less games. We need 2007 insurance, and probably a new starter in 2008, and Olson is a question mark.

T, what kind of fantasy world are you living in?

A first rounder? Surely you are aware how teams value their 1st round picks.

Marshall Faulk went for a 2nd and 5th in his prime.

Corey Dillon went for a 2nd.

This isn't a slap at Boller at all. There are many players that are better than him that wouldn't go for a 1st rounder.

PP

[Mista T]

Fantasy world, PP? :229031_confused2: When did I say we'd actually receive a 1st rounder or Delhomme?

My point was it's a trade that shouldn't be made unless we were over-compensated (i.e. a 1st or Delhomme). Boller's worth may be a 2nd rounder, or a 3rd, but regardless of worth, we shouldn't pull off a deal because we will likely need a new starter in 2008, possibly some time 2007. IMHO (and I already know that the McNair-worshippers disagree, but so what?): the last two TD-less games and all the prime-time games are what we'll continue to see out of McNair, but moreso as his age shows.

[purplepoe]

Fantasy world, PP? :229031_confused2: When did I say we'd actually receive a 1st rounder or Delhomme?

My point was it's a trade that shouldn't be made unless we were over-compensated (i.e. a 1st or Delhomme). Boller's worth may be a 2nd rounder, or a 3rd, but regardless of worth, we shouldn't pull off a deal because we will likely need a new starter in 2008, possibly some time 2007. IMHO (and I already know that the McNair-worshippers disagree, but so what?): the last two TD-less games and all the prime-time games are what we'll continue to see out of McNair, but moreso as his age shows.

Overcompensation is one thing. Sheer lunacy is another.:069:

I do agree that dealing Boller now doesn't make much sense.

That is unless we plan on using a high pick on a QB this year. Im most definitely not high on Boller but with his cap # and the fact that McNair will be another year older, Im happy with him as our backup. And if he does push McNair for the starting spot in camp, Im cool with that too.

I would love to know if any other teams might be knocking on the door and asking about Boller. My bet is that they will lowball Ozzie big time and see if he bites. He won't IMO.

PP

[ladyraven127]

"I have nothing against Boller, but the conflict (and sometimes borderline hostility) that is demonstrated in the thread is a reason why Boller needs a fresh start."

Well, when any of us (borderline hostile or not) that post on ANY message board actually play a game for the Ravens then maybe the above mentioned conflict will matter. Until then, I'll go with the guys that know more then me(i.e. the people who actually work for the Ravens) and if they seem to think it's better to stick with Boller, then I'm all for it :laugh:

[ravenwoman]

I would not trade Kyle Boller until it is clear who is our quarterback beyond next year. Kyle may not be great, but I think he has improved and he certainly is a serviceable backup, which every team needs.

I think fans need to quit bashing the guy. I realize he is a slow work in progress, but unless we got a high draft pick, like a second round pick, I would not consider a trade.

[esmd]

Byron Leftwich? Ugh, no thanks. The guy is a freakin statue.

I wouldn't mind to trade Boller for a first day pick, as I agree a change of scenery would benefit him. I also think a lot of players don't believe in him (my opinion), and it's obvious a large portion of the fan base don't. I really like the kid, and I want to see him do well, but I don't think he ever really had a chance here, and that's a shame.

IF they do trade him, they better sign a veteran backup to McNair, AND draft a QB of the future on the first day of the draft. JMO.

[FHRaven]

The comments about Leftwich are funny. :laugh: For the last 3 years most posters have been saying "we could have Leftwich instead of Boller!" Ignoring the fact that he just wasn't very good. Now that he has likely been pushed out in JAX everyone thinks he sucks.

[StingerNLG]

PR, you make a great post. And I agree with pieces of it. However:


The players have no faith in him (I don't care what is publicly said),

Until you have some shred of proof or are in the locker room and have heard players talk, I wish you'd drop this shit. You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and people who HAVE been back there have said otherwise; especially with the young guys.

Other than that, I think the Panthers would be a good fit for him. And no, I don't want Leftwich here. I'm pretty sure we want a QB that can actually move around.

[FHRaven]

This thread has now brought up an interesting topic that I think would warrant a thread of its own which I will start.

You made a post about a post you're going to make? :grbac:

I'm just about ready to the advice of others and put you on ignore.

[PurpleRulz]

PR, you make a great post. And I agree with pieces of it. However:



Until you have some shred of proof or are in the locker room and have heard players talk, I wish you'd drop this shit. You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and people who HAVE been back there have said otherwise; especially with the young guys.

Other than that, I think the Panthers would be a good fit for him. And no, I don't want Leftwich here. I'm pretty sure we want a QB that can actually move around.


Okay to give you this. The ONLY way I see Boller being able to salvage a career here is after the 2008 season, (let's call it the 2008 30-and-over-veteran purge, because that's what it really is). Also note that Billick's new deal is up after 2008 and he may not be here and a new coach may want to start fresh with a different guy. That is unless my theory of Neuheisel being the heir apparent after 2008 is correct as he seems to have a connection with Boller.

Otherwise, I think Boller deserves a break from this entire situation and a fresh start with another team. I feel the same with Leftwich. That kid was thrown to the wolves in the same manner as Boller, and he has talent.

[ExiledRaven]

not gonna lie, it's kinda funny how Grossman may end up being the best QB of that year's draft and we burned all sorts of picks to leapfrog Chicago to get Boller.....:bag:

[StingerNLG]

Make no mistake PR, I agree with you on what you're saying. For reasons that I don't think are talent or potential based, I don't see him here when his contract is up. Maybe Boller himself is ready for a change and doesn't want to resign here. But a change in scenery I think would be best.



not gonna lie, it's kinda funny how Grossman may end up being the best QB of that year's draft and we burned all sorts of picks to leapfrog Chicago to get Boller.....

Weeeeeellllllll, let's not forget Carson Palmer was in that draft. Besides, let's not send Rex Grossman to the hall of fame just yet. He's just now playing better Football, and he could well lay an egg tomorrow night. He's still not the best QB of that draft.

[Sports Steve]

If they are really interested in Kyle it might be good to trade him for a 2nd round it you could get it. I like Kyle and I still think he will be a good QB. However this town will never accept him. When he came in this year he was very good. It might be best for Kyle and I would wish him well.


:jester: :jester:

[Greg]

In the 4th round last season, we drafted Demetrius Williams.
And I think I noted that. Again, 3 players in over 20 picks, a 15% hit ratio.


Okay, we will fail to make the playoffs if Boller is not our backup. That's a riot!:rolling:
Did I say that? Of course not. If McNair goes down FOR MORE GAMES Boller has proven he can win games to keep us in contention. That has more value that a 15% chance on some unknown quantity. At least until we are rebuilding it does.


Bakup QBs are a dime a dozen. Hell, Jeff Garcia is available. He came in and led the Eagles to the postseason. Backups are that for a reason and can be found easily.
Really? So why are the Panthers going to give up anything when they can have Garcia? Backup QBs that can win games are valuable and we have one here comfortable with the offense. And while I know you don't agree Boller has an upside potential Garcia does not, he's all downside.


I have nothing against Boller, but the conflict (and sometimes borderline hostility) that is demonstrated in the thread is a reason why Boller needs a fresh start.
Eh, I don't agree, he got cheers on each appearance when he hit the field this year and with a little positive momentum and success the fans would rally right around him.


Strike while his value is high and trade Boller if there is interest. We can replace him with either a high round drafted QB or just sign a backup from FA. Finding backups is not hard.
LOL, again, what value? A 4th round pick that has a 15% chance of being Stokley, Mulitalo or Williams? And while I am VERY excited about Demetius Williams at this point he still has a lot to prove.

I would be shocked if Boller isn't here for 2007. If Garcia is just as good as Boller then why would Carolina give up a pick for Boller when they could just sign Garcia?

Sorry to bump this back up, but I was just perusing some older threads and came across this.

[Rochardrik]

I hope this trade happens. It would end the Boller hugger/hater crap, and we can start fresh with a new QB. (Maybe a Kevin Kolb hugger/hater club? How about a Byron Leftwich hugger/hater club. There was a rumor that we would pursue Leftwich to groom behind McNair. I like that idea).
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Are you kidding me? Leftwich? C'mon, we do not need a statue, yeah, right, our OL is so very good at their job!:rolleyes: He's who we actually wanted when we drafted Kyle, but I'm not at all sure one is better than the other!!!!!! :hammer: We do NOT need another fiasco! We won't get fooled again!... I hope?:bag: