The Steelers new Coach is..(drumroll please)

[bassgtrst]

Mike Tomlin

Tomlin is just 34 and was the Vikings D Coordinator.

I see a complete makeover in Pittsbugh and I dont expect much from those guys in 07.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/01/20/steelers.coach/index.html

The new guy:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/nfl/01/20/steelers.coach/t1_0120_tomlin_getty.jpg

[Admin Steve]

Mangini is/was 35. Would this make Tomlin the youngest HC ever or just the youngest right now?

Edit - seems Shula was 33.

[Sephy]

And he runs a Cover 2. Uh...shit?

[Drkraven]

And he runs a Cover 2. Uh...shit?

:rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling::bag:

[ExiledRaven]

that definitely gets an "oh noes" :bag: :bag: :bag: :bag: :bag: :bag:

....man

[RavensNTerps]

in fact, the first time we saw McNair look like crap was in Minnesota in preseason, against this cover 2....hmm.

[deuce]

According to ESPN, Tomlin is denying he has the job...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2732197

[festivus]

It's one thing to run a cover 2, it's another thing to have the personnel to execute it well. I could be wrong but I *think* the Steelers pass rushing linebackers are not the traditional cover 2 type, and neither is Troy Polamalu the traditional cover 2 safety.

That said, we should be very worried about *all* our games next year, because it is possible we were exposed as a team that can't go deep effectively.

If teams do defend us by forcing us to go long, we will (hopefully) make them pay by flooding zones, burning them with effective slot receivers, and running the ball. We will not have Carson Palmer or Drew Brees playing quarterback next year, so 50 yard line drives will not be happening. Unless KB is under center, but that's a different thread.

[Sports Steve]

I won't matter who the new caoch is. The Ravens are coming back in 2007 with a real passion to win. Look out Steelers we are going to crush you.


:jester: :jester:

[bassgtrst]

You mention that the first time McNair look bad was against the Cover 2 in Minnesota. First of all that was preseason and we were trying not to show our hand a week or so before taking on Tampa, who runs the Tampa 2 which Im pretty sure is just like the cover 2.

This brings me to my next point. The first time McNair looked great was against Tampa and their Cover 2.

Im not sure how a team can "force" us to throw it deep.

[Sephy]

I don't know if McNair was great against Tampa, over 60% but under 200 yds. Plus, Tampa was awful this year. Regardless, Buffalo and Indy both run one, and he played pretty cruddy against both of them.

It still worries me.

[PurpleRulz]

Here is an interesting and amazing fact: the Ravens will be the only team in the AFC North that has a white HC. The Stains, Bengals, and now Steelgirls now have African American HCs. That is amazing. Kuddos NFL.

[Losac]

Here is an interesting and amazing fact: the Ravens will be the only team in the AFC North that has a white HC. The Stains, Bengals, and now Steelgirls now have African American HCs. That is amazing. Kuddos NFL.
Who cares? I am already getting sick of this "black coach" talk leading up to the Super Bowl, and now with this Tomlin stuff. Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy are both great coaches, but all you hear about is how they are BLACK coaches. This just further brings attention to the fact that they are "different". What happened to MLK's hope to judge a man by his actions rather than the color of his skin?

Oh, and Crennel is a pretty lousy coach who might not be in the AFC North for very long.

[LBoogy]

Who cares? I am already getting sick of this "black coach" talk leading up to the Super Bowl, and now with this Tomlin stuff. Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy are both great coaches, but all you hear about it how they are BLACK coaches. This just further brings attention to the fact that they are "different". What happened to MLK's hope to judge a man by his actions rather than the color of his skin?

Oh, and Crennel is a pretty lousy coach who might not be in the AFC North for very long.

I wasn't going to say anything, because I've sounded off enough on this BS, but you're exactly right Losac.

This kind of mentality in regard to the "black coaches" is what keeps racial divides alive. Enough with it already. They are two good coaches. You would think that some blacks would find it offensive that people find the need to pander to this side of the aisle. In my mind, the implications are offensive to blacks. The coaching quotas and token interviews are a slap in the face; they imply that these guys can't do it on their own.

In reality, the best MAN will win. If you're a good coach, you're a good coach. It's not because of the color of your skin. This kind of shit needs to be ignored.

18.7% of coaches in the NFL are black. 12% of the U.S. population is black. Why are people still CONSTANTLY referencing RACE??

[UKRavenStockers]

I think it'll probably be draft day before we know where he's gonna go with their D. He's kept LeBeau as their DC and I don't think he's got any experience with the Cover 2, which may suggest that they're maintaining Blitzburgh.

Either way, they need to get some new talent at the marquee pass rush positions in the draft be that DE with a switch to the cover 2, or OLB if they maintain the Blitzburgh D.

[PurpleRulz]

Who cares? I am already getting sick of this "black coach" talk leading up to the Super Bowl, and now with this Tomlin stuff. Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy are both great coaches, but all you hear about is how they are BLACK coaches. This just further brings attention to the fact that they are "different". What happened to MLK's hope to judge a man by his actions rather than the color of his skin?

Oh, and Crennel is a pretty lousy coach who might not be in the AFC North for very long.

Why is it that the fact there are more African American HCs and the fact that the two HCs in the SB are African American (not black btw) bring out hostility in you?

Interesting.

This is a historical achievement for African Americans as well as for the NFL as a whole. It shows that we have come a long way, and I'd rather talk about that than talking about "Mr. All American" Peyton Manning 24x7 (no pun).

If you can't respect the history that is being made, then that speaks alot of you.

[festivus]

18.7% of coaches in the NFL are black. 12% of the U.S. population is black. Why are people still CONSTANTLY referencing RACE??

I have mixed feelings about this conversation, but I will take a shot at answering this question.

First of all, the relative similarity of the numbers you point out has been a *long* time coming. So in that regard it is something of an achievement.

Second, you point out the black coaches:black Americans ratio, which is interesting and relevant. However, there is another ratio that is also relevant to this discussion, which is black coaches:black players.

Questions about race are very, very difficult. I can completely sympathize with a person choosing not to discuss them as a matter of principle, but I also sympathize with those who see numbers - statistics, if you will - as part of one of the great debates of our times.

Please do not lightly brush off each other's opinions about whether it's a worthy conversation on these boards, as far as that goes, you are both right, in my humble opinion.

[Mista T]

Here is an interesting and amazing fact: the Ravens will be the only team in the AFC North that has a white HC. The Stains, Bengals, and now Steelgirls now have African American HCs. That is amazing. Kuddos NFL.


That's fuckin' ridiculous! We should demonstrate against the Ravens FO untill all white coaches are banned from the NFL, starting with Billick. :261695: Who cares that he coached us to a 13-3 record? He's got the wrong skin color to satisfy some. Nothing like a little discrimination, right?

Martin Luther King would be astonished as to how attitudes towards race have become twisted and distorted.

[PurpleRulz]

I wasn't going to say anything, because I've sounded off enough on this BS, but you're exactly right Losac.

This kind of mentality in regard to the "black coaches" is what keeps racial divides alive. Enough with it already. They are two good coaches. You would think that some blacks would find it offensive that people find the need to pander to this side of the aisle. In my mind, the implications are offensive to blacks. The coaching quotas and token interviews are a slap in the face; they imply that these guys can't do it on their own.

In reality, the best MAN will win. If you're a good coach, you're a good coach. It's not because of the color of your skin. This kind of shit needs to be ignored.

18.7% of coaches in the NFL are black. 12% of the U.S. population is black. Why are people still CONSTANTLY referencing RACE??

It looks like a couple of you posters need a course or two in DIVERSITY. In order for there to be unity, you have to respect differences.

"Why are people still referencing race?" Because there are various ethnicities and cultures and religious beliefs in this country.

Bottomline, this is a historical occurrence, and the fact that it ignites hostility and a negative response shows why this country will always be divided.

[PurpleRulz]

That's fuckin' ridiculous! We should demonstrate against the Ravens FO untill all white coaches are banned from the NFL, starting with Billick. :261695: Who cares that he coached us to a 13-3 record? He's got the wrong skin color to satisfy some. Nothing like a little discrimination, right?

Martin Luther King would be astonished as to how attitudes towards race have become twisted and distorted.

This is truly amazing this hostility. All I said was that three of four teams in the AFC North will have African American HCs, and I am getting hostile responses.

I thought this would encourage discussion of how there is diversity in the NFL and how what the Rooney's implemented is aiding in giving ALL PERSONS a chance at becoming Head Coaches, GMs, etc.

Instead, I am getting hostility. Again very interesting.

[PurpleRulz]

I have mixed feelings about this conversation, but I will take a shot at answering this question.

First of all, the relative similarity of the numbers you point out has been a *long* time coming. So in that regard it is something of an achievement.

Second, you point out the black coaches:black Americans ratio, which is interesting and relevant. However, there is another ratio that is also relevant to this discussion, which is black coaches:black players.

Questions about race are very, very difficult. I can completely sympathize with a person choosing not to discuss them as a matter of principle, but I also sympathize with those who see numbers - statistics, if you will - as part of one of the great debates of our times.

Please do not lightly brush off each other's opinions about whether it's a worthy conversation on these boards, as far as that goes, you are both right, in my humble opinion.


Excellent post. It is sad that we can't have healthy discussions concerning diversity. It is even sadder that conversations such as this turn argumentative.

I say "3 out of the 4 HCs in the AFC North are African Americans" or that the two HCs in the SB are African Americans, and suddenly we have a lynch mob.

As Skay said, "Can't we all just get along?"

[Losac]

Why is it that the fact there are more African American HCs and the fact that the two HCs in the SB are African American (not black btw) bring out hostility in you?

Interesting.

This is a historical achievement for African Americans as well as for the NFL as a whole. It shows that we have come a long way, and I'd rather talk about that than talking about "Mr. All American" Peyton Manning 24x7 (no pun).

If you can't respect the history that is being made, then that speaks alot of you.
The fact that there are 2 black coaches in the Super Bowl does not bring out hostility in me, but the fact that the media and people like you have to keep mentioning that fact 24x7 (pun intended) does irk me. According to you, they are black men first and good football coaches second. I'd like to hear about his accomplishments on the field and not be reminded that his skin color is darker than mine ad-nauseum on ESPN constantly, because honestly what effect does that have on the game next Sunday? I guess you probably agree with Larry Johnson too?

[Mista T]

This is truly amazing this hostility. All I said was that three of four teams in the AFC North will have African American HCs, and I am getting hostile responses.

I thought this would encourage discussion of how there is diversity in the NFL and how what the Rooney's implemented is aiding in giving ALL PERSONS a chance at becoming Head Coaches, GMs, etc.

Instead, I am getting hostility. Again very interesting.

Simple: Racial quotas are un-American. :thumbdown: I don't support athletes or coaches because of race or ethnicity. I don't select a certain number of Blacks, Orientals, Jews, Greeks, Italians, Latinos to hang out with because of race or ethnicity. I hang out wth them because they are my friends. If someone told me that I don't have enough Mexican friends to meet Maryland's demographic profiles, I'd tell them to screw himself.

[festivus]

Here is an interesting and amazing fact: the Ravens will be the only team in the AFC North that has a white HC. The Stains, Bengals, and now Steelgirls now have African American HCs. That is amazing. Kuddos NFL.

This is PR's first quote.

I don't read it as having anything to do with quotas, or extreme (and stupid) remarks like Larry Johnson's. It's a simple and brief comment on a touchy subject.

The accusation that PR is ramming something down other people's throats, or making extreme suggestions, is unfair to what he actually wrote.

Flame him or misread him if you want.

[LBoogy]

PR,

No one is being hostile. I just get a little tired of hearing about this shit. See Losac.

The people who need to be taught a lesson on diversity are the ones that are constantly caught up with race. You know, the ones that are constantly pandering to one side, creating racial quotas, things of that nature.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling ME that I need a "lesson in diversity".

PR is referencing something that is being brought up all over the media, and I reacted the way I did because I'm SO tired of hearing this shit. It's so unbelievably ignorant and stupid.

When will people understand that the moment you stop making race an issue, it will STOP being an issue! Or, the popular solution is to feel guilty, create racial quotas, and promote a minority like they are the most important thing in the universe.

A lot of it comes back to Affirmative Action. If everyone is truly equal, the playing field will be leveled. To create a place of equality, race won't be thought about. It won't be an issue. But these "progessives" and morons in the media think that by CONSTANTLY talking about how many blacks are head coaches, how we need more black coaches, and how there are two black HC's in the SB, that racial diversity will be promoted.

What if I came out and said we need more white players? Where are all the white RB's and CB's? Huh? Maybe we should start ramming that shit down people's throats? You know why people don't? Because the best of the best of these positions happen to be black? Who gives a shit? I don't.

People really need to get off this shit.

[Losac]

Well said Lboogy.

And festivus, I don't think his original post about the AFCN coaches is extreme or promoting quotas, but why is it "amazing" or deserving of kudos as he said? Could it be a coincidence? At the time they were hired, hopefully the owners thought that person was the best man for the job and that's how they got their respective jobs. Why should their skin color even be mentioned? They aren't even elite coaches. Crennel has done nothing in Cleveland, and Marvin Lewis can't keep any team discipline whatsoever and has managed one winning season in 4 years. Tomlin is completely unknown at this point.

Yes, 3 black coaches in the division. Great. But show me what they do on the field instead of constantly touting their skin color as some badge of accomplishment. If they suck, fire them and hire someone who can do the job better, whether he is white, black, or from Mars.

[festivus]

If they suck, fire them and hire someone who can do the job better, whether he is white, black, or from Mars.

Well, look at Art Shell, who is both black *and* from Mars, and he got himself fired! :)

I agree performance on the field is the most important part, no question.

[Rochardrik]

It looks like a couple of you posters need a course or two in DIVERSITY. In order for there to be unity, you have to respect differences.

"Why are people still referencing race?" Because there are various ethnicities and cultures and religious beliefs in this country.

Bottomline, this is a historical occurrence, and the fact that it ignites hostility and a negative response shows why this country will always be divided.

However, there will, hopefully, come a time when it doesn't matter, and then, it WON"T MATTER! and that is obviously the goal! For some,it still matters, and that IS a shame! as big a shame as that it EVER mattered. My grandfather , who was born in 1896, told me when I was 10 (1964) "The world will never be at peace until we are all the same color." At that time, I'm not sure I knew what he meant, but I was very aware it was extremely profound!
We talk of the progress we've made, but IMHO, we are lightyears behind where we should be! What part of human being don't some people understand?
During WW2, the general populace of this "great" country considered the Japanese an inferior race, (to say it kindly) How wrong is that? Why, then, at some point did not a light bulb go off in our collective conscience, and it become obvious that color, or size, or shape is immaterial?
The real key is that racism is not inherent, it is taught! Mainly by inferior people who needed it to feel good about themselves! It was taught to children, ingrained upon them like church principles, which take a major exorcism to remove one's self from, and therein lies the biggest problem! AND, the greatest shame! That we, as a country, the greatest country on earth, if you listen to US, created, and burdened the future with this menace!!!!:patriot:

[Greg]

Noting that 3 of 4 AFCN coaches are black isn't a big deal but I do get why some are turned off by the topic.

When are we going to STOP recognizing racial differences? The recognition is now doing more to divide than the actual racism which for the most part is dead among those in charge. Yes, I know, there are plenty of rednecks in placeds like Dumbfuck, MS but these cats have less power than they have teeth and they are missing a good number of their choppers.

The representation of blacks in the NFL HC ranks is something that is and has been going on in industry for a while. Racism among whites against blacks is something that is just about dead. At least in the work place.

[PurpleRulz]

PR,

No one is being hostile. I just get a little tired of hearing about this shit. See Losac.

The people who need to be taught a lesson on diversity are the ones that are constantly caught up with race. You know, the ones that are constantly pandering to one side, creating racial quotas, things of that nature.

Don't insult my intelligence by telling ME that I need a "lesson in diversity".

PR is referencing something that is being brought up all over the media, and I reacted the way I did because I'm SO tired of hearing this shit. It's so unbelievably ignorant and stupid.

When will people understand that the moment you stop making race an issue, it will STOP being an issue! Or, the popular solution is to feel guilty, create racial quotas, and promote a minority like they are the most important thing in the universe.

A lot of it comes back to Affirmative Action. If everyone is truly equal, the playing field will be leveled. To create a place of equality, race won't be thought about. It won't be an issue. But these "progessives" and morons in the media think that by CONSTANTLY talking about how many blacks are head coaches, how we need more black coaches, and how there are two black HC's in the SB, that racial diversity will be promoted.

What if I came out and said we need more white players? Where are all the white RB's and CB's? Huh? Maybe we should start ramming that shit down people's throats? You know why people don't? Because the best of the best of these positions happen to be black? Who gives a shit? I don't.

People really need to get off this shit.

1. Do you even know what diversity is? Have you had a training on diversity? If not, you ought to and if so, you need a refresher course.

2. You are hostile about this. You can read it in your response that you have a hostility when it comes to this subject.

Again, I mention that 3 out of 4 of the AFC North head coaches are African American and you guys just turned into a lynch mob.

It is interesting because it shows how far the NFL has come as it pertains to diversity (looks like some of you guys have to catch up). I say kuddos, because these guys are showing African American children that they can have a future in football as more than a player, and that they have a future as a head coach and a GM.

[PurpleRulz]

Noting that 3 of 4 AFCN coaches are black isn't a big deal but I do get why some are turned off by the topic.

When are we going to STOP recognizing racial differences? The recognition is now doing more to divide than the actual racism which for the most part is dead among those in charge. Yes, I know, there are plenty of rednecks in placeds like Dumbfuck, MS but these cats have less power than they have teeth and they are missing a good number of their choppers.

The representation of blacks in the NFL HC ranks is something that is and has been going on in industry for a while. Racism among whites against blacks is something that is just about dead. At least in the work place.

Again, it convenient that in this instance we must "stop recognizing racial differences." I bet you guys recognize it when it comes to negative statistics concerning African American males and prison, or A.A. males and criminal activity, or any negative topic you want to discuss as it pertains to African Americans. Once there is something positive and good to link African American males, we must "stop recognizing racial differences."

I am not accusing anyone, but this is rather interesting.

The fact that one statement of FACT is made can lead to this kind of hostility is why America will always be divided and vulnerable. It's sad.

[Greg]

I bet you guys recognize it when it comes to negative statistics concerning African American males and prison, ...
Uh, I don't bring up those statistics, usually race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson do. I don't give a damn what a guy's skin color is, if he is in prison for committing a violent act I want him to stay there.

By the way, I happen to believe prison rates reflect a cultural problem, not a racial one. The whites in prison grow up in cultures very similar to the ones blacks in prison grew up in.

Or let me put it this way, ALTHOUGH YOU OBVIOUSLY ASSUME that I think race causes somebody to be a criminal (based on your take of how you think I would view it), I don't. I know culture and upbringing are the cause, not skin color.


Once there is something positive and good to link African American males, ...
The problem you are having is I didn't take issue with your post or noting the number of blacks that are NFL HCs. I posted why others did take issue, at least as I see it.

Oddly, I didn't even think of the skin color of any of these coaches until I read your take. I THINK THAT IS A LOT MORE POSITIVE THAN HOW MANY NFL COACHES THERE ARE. You see, that the average white guy doesn't notice color is more important than how many black guys have managed to excel as football coaches. At least I think it is.

[LBoogy]

1. Do you even know what diversity is? Have you had a training on diversity? If not, you ought to and if so, you need a refresher course.

2. You are hostile about this. You can read it in your response that you have a hostility when it comes to this subject.

Again, I mention that 3 out of 4 of the AFC North head coaches are African American and you guys just turned into a lynch mob.

It is interesting because it shows how far the NFL has come as it pertains to diversity (looks like some of you guys have to catch up). I say kuddos, because these guys are showing African American children that they can have a future in football as more than a player, and that they have a future as a head coach and a GM.

I've been through this crap with you on more than one occasion, and I don't have a desire to do it again. You're stubborn on the matter.

Training on diversity? Are you serious? Are you implying that I'm somehow racist and ignorant because I don't advocate social promotion and the constant discussion of race? Do I know what diversity is? Isn't it an old, old wooden ship used during the Civil War era?

And quit acting so innocent on the matter. Yes, your comment may not have warranted this type of reaction, but the implications of it are quite annoying. To be surprised that your comment elicited this type of response is nieve to say the least.

I'm tired of being bombarded with racial issues. The constant discussion of "diversity" perpetuates racial divides. To not see that is beyond me.

Sure, black kids see these guys as being coaches, great. Good for them. Maybe they shouldn't be so concerned with becoming a professional athlete in the first place, and their parents can stress education first.

Blacks can do anything anyone else can do. There shouldn't be a difference. They don't need affirmative action and pandering from guilty liberals to achieve things in life. You should read Thomas Sowell. Hell, look him up on Wikipedia and you might learn something.

EDIT: Rack Greg.

[PurpleRulz]

Uh, I don't bring up those statistics, usually race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson do. I don't give a damn what a guy's skin color is, if he is in prison for committing a violent act I want him to stay there.

By the way, I happen to believe prison rates reflect a cultural problem, not a racial one. The whites in prison grow up in cultures very similar to the ones blacks in prison grew up in.

Or let me put it this way, ALTHOUGH YOU OBVIOUSLY ASSUME that I think race causes somebody to be a criminal (based on your take of how you think I would view it), I don't. I know culture and upbringing are the cause, not skin color.


The problem you are having is I didn't take issue with your post or noting the number of blacks that are NFL HCs. I posted why others did take issue, at least as I see it.

Oddly, I didn't even think of the skin color of any of these coaches until I read your take. I THINK THAT IS A LOT MORE POSITIVE THAN HOW MANY NFL COACHES THERE ARE. You see, that the average white guy doesn't notice color is more important than how many black guys have managed to excel as football coaches. At least I think it is.


1. I think you meant to say that the prison rates correlate to social economic status, and you are correct.

2. With due respect, it would not have value to caucasions that the two SB coaches are African American, because it does not have a direct effect on your specific culture. This is a proud moment for African Americans and America at large.

3. How did a statement of 3 out of 4 AFC North HCs being African American, turn into this?

4. To say that you don't notice the color of a person's skin is the same a saying you don't notice that women have boobs and men don't. There is nothing wrong with being different. That is what America is all about and you know that. I don't desire all the HC in the NFL to be African American anymore than I want them to be all white.

[PurpleRulz]

I've been through this crap with you on more than one occasion, and I don't have a desire to do it again. You're stubborn on the matter.

Training on diversity? Are you serious? Are you implying that I'm somehow racist and ignorant because I don't advocate social promotion and the constant discussion of race? Do I know what diversity is? Isn't it an old, old wooden ship used during the Civil War era?

And quit acting so innocent on the matter. Yes, your comment may not have warranted this type of reaction, but the implications of it are quite annoying. To be surprised that your comment elicited this type of response is nieve to say the least.

I'm tired of being bombarded with racial issues. The constant discussion of "diversity" perpetuates racial divides. To not see that is beyond me.

Sure, black kids see these guys as being coaches, great. Good for them. Maybe they shouldn't be so concerned with becoming a professional athlete in the first place, and their parents can stress education first.

Blacks can do anything anyone else can do. There shouldn't be a difference. They don't need affirmative action and pandering from guilty liberals to achieve things in life. You should read Thomas Sowell. Hell, look him up on Wikipedia and you might learn something.

EDIT: Rack Greg.

In other words, minorities annoy you. In your opinion, America should be all one color since diversity annoys you. That's all you had to say. All you had to do was ignore the thread if you don't like the subject. :thumbup:

[LBoogy]

In other words, minorities annoy you. In your opinion, America should be all one color since diversity annoys you. That's all you had to say. All you had to do was ignore the thread if you don't like the subject.

Minorities annoy me? Diversity annoys me? Are you that dense? I guess this is your way of conceding.

I see people as people. Period.

To sum it up, I'm annoyed because I'm tired of the pandering. I don't know how that equates to being annoyed by minorties, but you can think whatever you want. I don't believe in giving one group of people special attention because of their race/sex/whatever. Sorry.

[PurpleRulz]

Minorities annoy me? Diversity annoys me? Are you that dense? I guess this is your way of conceding.

I see people as people. Period.

To sum it up, I'm annoyed because I'm tired of the pandering. I don't know how that equates to being annoyed by minorties, but you can think whatever you want. I don't believe in giving one group of people special attention because of their heritage. Sorry.


Okay, that's your take. A bit of a cop out and escapism, but it's your take.

I see America as having diverse people/ diverse groups, each bringing something unique to the table. With this historical event of having two African Americans coaching the SB is symbolic that:

1. Not only white males are great at Head Coaching, but that those talents can come from any person of any culture. African American, Hispanic, or white.

2. Breaks the stereotype that minorities ( especially African Americans) are not intelligent enough to be great NFL head coaches or GMs.

Bottomline is that the symbolism of this historical achievement should make persons from all backgrounds feel good, not incite hostility.

For whites, it shows that they are truly interested in a diverse NFL in the head coaching ranks.

For minorities, it gives a positive symbol and hope for some young African American/Hispanic child that they will be seriously considered for ANY higher position in the NFL be it HC, GM, or even Owner.

Will every coach be African American? Of course not, unless those guys are all the best person for the job.

Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith have proven that they are not coaches just to fill a quota, but because they are great coaches. The fact that they are African American makes me feel pretty damn good.

[Losac]

1. Not only white males are great at Head Coaching, but that those talents can come from any person of any culture. African American, Hispanic, or white.

2. Breaks the stereotype that minorities ( especially African Americans) are not intelligent enough to be great NFL head coaches or GMs.
Looks like only people like you and Big Media who want a story leading up to the Super Bowl (last year was Bettis going home to Detroit) are the ones who believe that stereotype still exists. I can tell you it never crosses my mind until I see it across the ESPN ticker for the 20,000th time.


The fact that they are African American makes me feel pretty damn good.
Why? Do you know either of them personally? Go to school with them? Lovie coach you in college? You feel some kind of spiritual connection to them because all 3 of you are black? That's kind of silly don't you think? What if every inbred, mullet wearing hick with a big chin started talking about how good they felt that Cowher finally won a Super Bowl?

[LBoogy]

Cop out? Huh?

Arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall.

And I completely understand your sentiments, PR. Having a racially diverse society is a good thing. But, it's something that should be left alone.

As Losac said, I don't think about Dungy or Smith being black; not until the media shoves it in your face every chance they get. To me it's irrelevant, immature, petty, and ignorant to bring up such a thing.

No one is REALLY interested in "diversity" if they are completely indulged in their own self-interest, because that's what is going on here.

You are so caught up in being racially diverse, yet you say it feels pretty damn good that two black coaches are going to the SB. What the fuck does that mean? It sounds like your definition of diversity is pander to the black man.

I'll say it again--and I don't know HOW this can be seen as a cop out--people are people. The day you stop referencing race, diversity, whatever, is the day that racial divides will cease to exist.

And to respond to your alluding to the idea that we use race to point out crime statistics, etc. People are a product of their environments, not their skin color.

[festivus]

I for one *do* think it's interesting, and a (positive) sign of the times.

Which is not to say I'm going to try to persuade anyone here; apparently this forum isn't a good place for this discussion (fine with me!) & I don't care to join in this circular argument.

I just wanted to point out,
> Looks like only people like you and Big Media
is a bit of an overstatement.

Ok, carry on. [ducks]

[PurpleRulz]

Cop out? Huh?

Arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall.

And I completely understand your sentiments, PR. Having a racially diverse society is a good thing. But, it's something that should be left alone.

As Losac said, I don't think about Dungy or Smith being black; not until the media shoves it in your face every chance they get. To me it's irrelevant, immature, petty, and ignorant to bring up such a thing.

No one is REALLY interested in "diversity" if they are completely indulged in their own self-interest, because that's what is going on here.

You are so caught up in being racially diverse, yet you say it feels pretty damn good that two black coaches are going to the SB. What the fuck does that mean? It sounds like your definition of diversity is pander to the black man.

I'll say it again--and I don't know HOW this can be seen as a cop out--people are people. The day you stop referencing race, diversity, whatever, is the day that racial divides will cease to exist.

And to respond to your alluding to the idea that we use race to point out crime statistics, etc. People are a product of their environments, not their skin color.


Save for the part where you said "people are a product of their environments and not their skin," you're wrong. The day that people learn to respect each other's differences will be when racial divides end and I'll leave this discussion on that note as this discussion has reached abused dead horse stage.

[PurpleRulz]

Let's totally shift this discussion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740378 According to this link, the Steelgirls will lose another assistant; Russ Grimm. The Steelers will now have to learn a whole new system after 14 years of much the same system. This could cause a temporary setback in that organization.

I think we can all agree here that we hate the black and gold, and anything that could hold them down is a potential positive for us.

[bassgtrst]

I did read somewhere that they are in fact retaining their DC.

Im going to wait until after the draft (I would add FA but we know Pittsburgh doesnt participate) unil I write off the Toothless Ones.

[darb72]

That sucks. I was going to join in the argument but it's already over.

Pooh.

[Losac]

PurpleRulz should read this article:


There's a lot of talk about hoping for a day when black coaches in the Super Bowl won't be a big deal, when we won't find it necessary to refer to a coach as a "black coach" (or any person by their race, for that matter).

What's wrong with that day being today? Dungy and Smith have made history, and we happily acknowledge it. As for our practice of categorizing NFL head coaches, let's make that history, too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2740318

[festivus]

PurpleRulz should read this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2740318

The biggest revelation I noticed in an otherwise interesting piece:
"Even though we live in Baltimore, we want you to win and get to the Super Bowl.'"

Where *are* those people? Go away!!

[Losac]

The biggest revelation I noticed in an otherwise interesting piece:
"Even though we live in Baltimore, we want you to win and get to the Super Bowl.'"

Where *are* those people? Go away!!
I was thinking the same thing. Obviously it was implying that the people who said that were black folks who were rooting for the Colts so a black coach could get to the Super Bowl. Despicable. Makes me sick that people think race first instead of identifying with their home team and city.

[PurpleRulz]

I was thinking the same thing. Obviously it was implying that the people who said that were black folks who were rooting for the Colts so a black coach could get to the Super Bowl. Despicable. Makes me sick that people think race first instead of identifying with their home team and city.

You are still on this? Seeing positive things happen for African Americans must really bug you. You can think what you want, but most African Americans (we are not "black folk", that term in and of itself is racist) will celebrate the significance of having two African American head coaches in the Super Bowl regardless of what others do.

Period. End of discussion. Now, move on.

[Losac]

You are still on this? Seeing positive things happen for African Americans must really bug you. You can think what you want, but African Americans (we are not "black folk", that term in and of itself is racist) will celebrate the significance of having two African American head coaches in the Super Bowl regardless of what others do. There is nothing you can do to stop that.

Period. End of discussion. Now, move on.
No, I found the article on ESPN.com, and it reminded me of this thread, so I posted it. Did you even read it? I notice you have no take on it at all other than to reiterate your same opinion for the 1000th time.

[PurpleRulz]

No, I found the article on ESPN.com, and it reminded me of this thread, so I posted it. Did you even read it? I notice you have no take on it at all other than to reiterate your same opinion for the 1000th time.


I am done talking about this with you, because you obviously have alot of hostility when it comes to the subject of race as well as a underline hostility towards anything positive relating to minorities. Nothing further to discuss. You have a blessed day.:thumbup:

[Losac]

Way to dodge the issue. You have nothing to say other than calling people out for having "hostility" and branding them racist just because the first thing they think of when looking at the Super Bowl XLI matchup is not the race of the two head coaches. Read the article.

[PurpleRulz]

Way to dodge the issue. You have nothing to say other than calling people out for having "hostility" and branding them racist just because the first thing they think of when looking at the Super Bowl XLI matchup is not the race of the two head coaches. Read the article.

You are what you are: hostile and bitter.

[darb72]

You are still on this? Seeing positive things happen for African Americans must really bug you. You can think what you want, but most African Americans (we are not "black folk", that term in and of itself is racist) will celebrate the significance of having two African American head coaches in the Super Bowl regardless of what others do.

Period. End of discussion. Now, move on.


African Americans (we are not "black folk", that term in and of itself is racist)

So when you said "whites" at least twice in this thread, were you being a racist?

[LBoogy]

No, Darb, he doesn't see it that way. You know why? Because he's utterly incapable of engaging in an argument without reverting back to the same nonsensical opinion, all while branding the person as hostile and racist. So, obviously, double-standards and hypocrisy won't stop him.

And why is it "African-American" anyway? Do you heavily identify with African culture? Were you born there? Does that make me Italian-American? If we're white, why aren't you black? Or is that "racist"? Unbelievable.

So, since because most of us white folk are racist and hostile, I urge you, PR, to read up on Thomas Sowell. Do yourself a favor. This man just may open your eyes.

The problem is that many of us have absolutely no problem with race. THAT is the issue here. But, people like PR think that blacks NEED special attention. If you're not willing to give it to them/him, you're obviously a hate-filed racist.

I'm so done with this thread and topic in general. Some people just don't want engage in a LOGICAL argument.

EDIT: That's a great article by Michael Smith. He hit the nail right on the head.

Although, I'd have to say what those black bus drivers were saying is pretty unconscionable on a number of different fronts.

[sailorsam]

can't help the Squealers to lose their HC and two of their best assistants; Wisenhut was the OC. I think he and Grimm are INSANE to jump Pigsburgh and work for Bidwell. Look at all the guys like Tobin and now Denny Green that coach the Cards; this is a graveyard for coaches. I'm guessing Wisenhut found he wasn't getting the PS job so took the next available, and Grimm found same and jumped ship, either from spite, fear of a new coach cleaning house, to be with KW, or just for the $. the Squealers have a rep for lowballing their staff.
either way; here's hoping for a long, difficult and unsuccesful transition for the new Squealers staff (regardless of their color[s]).
the other big question up there; will Roths ever be 100% again? he had some good games late 2006 (not against US, hee hee hee).