Burgess is gone

[xmradiodave]

Prescott Burgess has been released by the Ravens. Just heard it from Mark Zinno who heard it from Aaron Wilson. This opens up a roster spot. I have no idea who the Ravens will go after. It took Anita Marks all of three seconds to say both "Stover", then immediately followed up by "McAllister". Both which elicited a grunt of disdain from Zinno.

[TTRaven]

Just heard on 105.7 that Prescott Burgess has been released. With a roster spot open some kind of move is about to be made.

[StingerNLG]

Per 105.7 via Aaron Wilson and Per WNST.

Noone signed in his place yet.

[deuce]

More likely it would be Tyree if we are adding a FA.

In a somewhat related note, will we have to make a roster move if Rolle returns in a few weeks? Or is he already counted in the 53? Pretty sure he is not counted when on PUP, but not sure.

As for Burgess, he was a disapointment, and LB is a position of strength for us anyway. Not too shocked.

[TTRaven]

You got me by about a minute.

IMO it's either a WR or CB. I'm leaning more towards CB after seeing what happened in San Diego. Maybe a veteran like Mike Mckenzie if he's fully recovered from his knee injury.

[BArellano]

This is a head scratcher.... not Burgess being released, but what is the move that follows this? I have absolutely no idea.

Stover? Doubt it. Haushka hasn't done anything yet to lose the job.

CMac? No way.

A wideout would be my uneducated guess. Tyree? But then again, our passing game has been just fine so far.

OL depth?

[xmradiodave]

Tyree is a name that popped into my mind. The Ravens said they were impressed wih his workout, and then we heard nothing else following the workout. I think it is safe to assume that the Ravens are not pushing the panic button just yet on the CB situation. There is also not exactly a lot to pick from, CB situation wise, so even if the Ravens are worried, who do you go after for that position.

Maybe a tight-end? Same situation, who is available at the TE position that could make an impact immediately?

[Marcel#52]

It's brandon Marshall... :bag:

[Jeremiah W]

I thought he was one of the few guys who looked good on special teams coverge, but maybe he was running out of his lane and missing blocks.

I also thought that Lawrence was a little lower on the 53 and worse on special teams.

[purplepoe]

How about Roscoe Parrish?

Came across this yesterday.

Profootballtalk.com reports that the Bills have put PR Roscoe Parrish on the trade block again and could move him shortly.
According to Mike Florio, Jacksonville, Kansas City, and Washington are possible landing spots. The Jags are the best fit. They need help in the return game and at wide receiver after giving up on Nate Hughes and losing Troy Williamson. Bobby Wade's arrival in K.C. may reduce the Chiefs' interest.

Carr has been a major disappointment returning IMO and Parrish can return and play some wideout.

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

I think a CB with size and decent skills is more of a need than a decent WR. Flacco seems to be making due with what he has quite nicely to tell the truth.

It's sad because I actually met some of Burgess' family members outside the stadium Sunday...

[TL24x7]

The team has yet to confirm the move but reports are surfacing from many sources. Some are speculating that Burgess' roster spot will be filled by a player playing a different position...perhaps Tight End.

If they do sign a TE, you have to wonder if Edgar Jones will start to get more reps on defense to help the pass rush...just a thought.

[pyite32]

So now what happens? Pittsburgh picks him up, he spends a year taking steroids and working in the weight room, then he gets a bunch of sacks and is D player of the year.

Oh wait that already happened.

[TL24x7]

Ravens sign TE Tony Curtis and trade LB Prescott Burgess to the New England Patriots for a conditional 7th round draft pick.

[BArellano]

Per Duffy the BR.com guy on Twitter

"Ravens LB Prescott Burgess traded to NE for a conditional 7th round draft pick. TE Tony Curtis was signed for the open roster spot."

[pyite32]

Please combine the 3 threads on this Mods.

[Bez513]

Burgess was traded to NE for a conditional 7th rounder. We signed TE Tony Curtis.

I guess LJ is not close to come back.

[52decleetzu]

Sounds good to me.

7th is pretty worthless but then again it is better than nothing.

[Marcel#52]

Burgess was traded to NE for a conditional 7th rounder. We signed TE Tony Curtis.

I guess LJ is not close to come back.

No just better depth than Edgar Jones

[Jeremiah W]

Crap. They could not have traded him after we play them?

That makes a lot more sense. The guy was looking good on special teams and better than some of the NE starters in the preseason.

[purplepoe]

Sounds good to me.

7th is pretty worthless but then again it is better than nothing.

Yup.

Getting anything for him is pretty good.

There is the LJ Smith angle to look at now.

PP

[TTRaven]

I'm guessing Edgar Jones will move back to DE. Hopefully he add that much needed pass rush.

[pyite32]

No just better depth than Edgar Jones

Hey... 27% of his career catches have been for TD's...

[Marcel#52]

Hey... 27% of his career catches have been for TD's...

LOL.. :worthy: But I like him, because he can play DE and TE...

[crazyraven]

then immediately followed up by "McAllister". Both which elicited a grunt of disdain from Zinno.


Anita should have grunted in disdain that he got the way Burgess left the team WRONG. lol...The Guy was traded

[TTRaven]

Anita should have grunted in disdain that he got the way Burgess left the team WRONG. lol...The Guy was trade

Burgess actually told Aaron Wilson that he was being released. Zino got his info from Aaron.

[crazyraven]

Burgess actually told Aaron Wilson that he was being released. Zino got his info from Aaron.

ok, so they both got it wrong. They should Check the facts before they report it. Ya know maybe check with the team, etc

[TTRaven]

ok, so they both got it wrong. They should Check the facts before they report it. Ya know maybe check with the team, etc

I don't think they were wrong. Prescott Burgess was informed by the Ravens that he was being released. Burgess then told Aaron Wilson that he was being released. New England must have gotten word of this and decided to get Burgess through a trade instead of having to deal with other teams going after him.

It's really no big deal. They reported what they were told, found out he was traded, and reported that.

[crazyraven]

I don't think they were wrong.
But they were. You do understand the difference between being cut and traded, right?

If its not a big deal why do you insist on making excuses for these guys. Its not my fault that they went with being cut and not checking their source. Everyone knows not to go with what a player says (they are the last to know), you have to check with Team officials. You've been around TT, You know that, too

[jonboy79]

Now we finally have a TE that could block his way out of a greasy mcdonalds bag...

[Sephy]

It was something reported on twitter as something the player said. I don't see the big deal here?

[TTRaven]

But they were. You do understand the difference between being cut and traded, right?

If its not a big deal why do you insist on making excuses for these guys. Its not my fault that they went with being cut and not checking their source. Everyone knows not to go with what a player says, you have to check with Team officials. You've been around TT, You know that, too

I'm not making excuses for anybody. Aaron did his job as a reporter and reported what he was told. Obviously things changed when New England was willing to give up a 7th round draft pick. Aaron came back and said Burgess was traded.

I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you. Do you want an apology from Aaron Wilson or something? Really it's a non issue.

[52decleetzu]

I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you. Do you want an apology from Aaron Wilson or something? Really it's a non issue.

Seriously what the hell?

Who gives a shit?

[BArellano]

Anyone else wondering how or IF Burgess might be able to help the Pats scheme for our defense, considering we're going to Foxboro in less than 2 weeks?

[jonboy79]

Anyone else wondering how or IF Burgess might be able to help the Pats scheme for our defense, considering we're going to Foxboro in less than 2 weeks?

Have you seen how vanilla our defense is?

I'm more worried that he may be good enough to actually improve the middle of their linebacking corps. Their team looks really old and soft.

[Galen Sevinne]

Anyone else wondering how or IF Burgess might be able to help the Pats scheme for our defense, considering we're going to Foxboro in less than 2 weeks?

Maybe the Ravens are sending him in there as the proverbial "trojan horse"! yeah pobably not....anywho

It does worry me a bit but as JB said there hasn't been many unpredictbale twists to our defense other than Ray taking things into his own hands and breaking schemes.

[BArellano]

Have you seen how vanilla our defense is?

I agree... so far. But surely as the season goes on they're going to bring more to the table, and Burgess has a better idea of what those things might be than anyone on the planet that isn't currently employed by the Baltimore Ravens.

That said, I'm not really all that worried about it. But it's an interesting dynamic.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I always liked Burgess.

Too bad we just didn't have room for him.

I wonder about the conditions of this pick...is it a 7th if he does nothing and can go up a round or 2 depending on his play? Or is it no pick if he does nothing and a 7th if he plays well?

Word is the Browns were looking to grab him if we were to waive him.

[The Fanatic]

Anyone else wondering how or IF Burgess might be able to help the Pats scheme for our defense, considering we're going to Foxboro in less than 2 weeks?


You might not be too far off from your thinking here, just different team.

From Jamison Hensley

Browns were looking to claim him (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2009/09/possible_reason_for_burgess_trade.html)

Sometimes I get the feeling if Ray Lewis would forget to flush the toilet after taking a crap the Browns would try and claim it.

[RAVENOUS52]

Sometimes I get the feeling if Ray Lewis would forget to flush the toilet after taking a crap the Browns would try and claim it.

Well that would explain their name and colors...:grbac:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

http://ravens24x7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41998

[Mike B]

I always liked Burgess.

Too bad we just didn't have room for him.

I wonder about the conditions of this pick...is it a 7th if he does nothing and can go up a round or 2 depending on his play? Or is it no pick if he does nothing and a 7th if he plays well?

Word is the Browns were looking to grab him if we were to waive him.

Shocking that the Browns would poach our waiver wire especially on game week.:)

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Sometimes I get the feeling if Ray Lewis would forget to flush the toilet after taking a crap the Browns would try and claim it.

:rolling: ROTFLMBO

[crazyraven]

I'm not making excuses for anybody. Aaron did his job as a reporter and reported what he was told. Obviously things changed when New England was willing to give up a 7th round draft pick. Aaron came back and said Burgess was traded.

I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you. Do you want an apology from Aaron Wilson or something? Really it's a non issue.

Ozzie said that they were trading him for a pick. Obviously thats who you listen to when you get these stories. Getting info from the player is lazy journalism, not for nothing, the player is always the last to know.

Im not really making a big deal out of it, I just thought it was funny that zinno was a little smug with anita after his report when she was speculating who the ravens would bring in and then 10 or 15 minutes later he had to say he got the story wrong.

[xmradiodave]

Ozzie said that they were trading him for a pick. Obviously thats who you listen to when you get these stories. Getting info from the player is lazy journalism, not for nothing, the player is always the last to know.

Im not really making a big deal out of it, I just thought it was funny that zinno was a little smug with anita after his report when she was speculating who the ravens would bring in and then 10 or 15 minutes later he had to say he got the story wrong.


Every media outlet wants to be the first to break the news, even if it means forsaking accuracy. Bottom line was that Zinno reported what he had heard and it was wrong. The disgust is still valid when Anita Marks immediately chimed in with the same old rhetoric regarding CMac and Stover, even when Harbaugh has gone on record, re-affirming the fact that CMac will NOT be a Raven, and the team will NOT carry two kickers.

[crazyraven]

The disgust is still valid when Anita Marks immediately chimed in with the same old rhetoric regarding CMac and Stover, even when Harbaugh has gone on record, re-affirming the fact that CMac will NOT be a Raven, and the team will NOT carry two kickers.

I really feel for anita when the people who work with her give her shit. Its one thing that she is on the edge with every caller its another to be getting it from some dopey sports reporter who cant get a story right.

So what, we have people on here who say we should get cmac or stover. let her speculate. Its entertaining either way.

[baltimore_hokie]

we play new england in a couple weeks, isn't this a weird move to give them a guy that can spill our playbook??

[purplepoe]

The reporters were not wrong.

The Ravens told Burgess he was going to be cut and Burgess relayed that to the media.

Then the Ravens decided against that because they got word that the Browns were gonna claim Burgess.

Then the reporters reported he was traded to NE.

PP

[crazyraven]

The reporters were not wrong.

The Ravens told Burgess he was going to be cut and Burgess relayed that to the media.

Then the Ravens decided against that because they got word that the Browns were gonna claim Burgess.

Then the reporters reported he was traded to NE.

One question. Does Burgess speak for the ravens in terms of football operations?

...Exactly, they (the reporters) got it wrong. Looks like you did, too.

[xmradiodave]

I really feel for anita when the people who work with her give her shit. Its one thing that she is on the edge with every caller its another to be getting it from some dopey sports reporter who cant get a story right.

So what, we have people on here who say we should get cmac or stover. let her speculate. Its entertaining either way.

Then how about not being a dimwit (her... not you). Everytime she opens her mouth, stupid comes out. I tried for the longest time to give her the benifit of the doubt, but it has become increasingly difficult to do so.

Yes, others on the show say dumb things from time to time. She however, has somehow continued to make a career out of it.

[Rxdoxx]

I kinda felt that when we kept Burgess and Talavau over a 5th and 6th rounder, it was because they were pretty guarenteed claimed and the better chance was to get the draft through to the PS.
Looks like things are working out for the FO. I'm hearing the word conditional so there is a chance it can be a little better than a 7th.
And Drew found his way to the PS (after a detour).

I was actually expecting to hear a trade with SD after the game, with their DL injury wreck and T-vu being a possible answer, but didn't happen.

Sorry to see Prescott go, but understand the logistics.
Also sure the Bellicheats will pick his playbook brain, but better them than the Clowns doing it so close to a divisional game and for free.
I still don't think our roster is set, waiting for one more shoe to drop.

[Lee Van Cleef]

News stories aren't static. How many times does a long running story on network news end up being revised?

The facts were reported as they were, the story changed when ozzie found out about cleveland. It wasn't wrong in the first place, the situation changed and so did the story.

[TTRaven]

News stories aren't static. How many times does a long running story on network news end up being revised?

The facts were reported as they were, the story changed when ozzie found out about cleveland. It wasn't wrong in the first place, the situation changed and so did the story.

:word

It's amazing how one person can't seem to understand this.

[crazyraven]

The facts were reported as they were, the story changed when ozzie found out about cleveland. It wasn't wrong in the first place, the situation changed and so did the story.

Wait a minute, This was rumor, not fact. It became fact when Ozzie announced that a trade was in place, not the other way around

[Sephy]

Uh, fact: Burgess told he was cut. fact: The Ravens then decided to shop him around. Fact: he was then traded.

All of these things were reported. Stop semantics trolling. Its really ridiculous.

[Sephy]

Nothing of what I said was false. It isn't the media's job to report only what the Ravens say publicly. But whatever dude, troll away, keep up the great posting.

[crazyraven]

But sephy wouldn't you agree that information coming from Ozzie would be the most accurate about where a player is headed? Sure the media can come up with info, that doesn't mean its accurate. Again the player is always the last to know

That's all I'm saying buddy.

[baltimore_hokie]

Burgess was waived today by the Pats. I'm guessing they got all the info. out of him that they were going to and got rid of him. Still seems weird to me.

[effo5231]

Burgess was waived today by the Pats. I'm guessing they got all the info. out of him that they were going to and got rid of him. Still seems weird to me.

Seems like a waste of a pick when they could have just signed any number of former Raven players off the street. (Hell, if rumors of CMac's money troubles are true they could have just paid him a "consultant's fee" to come in for a week and talk to their coordinators.)

[Mike B]

Burgess was waived today by the Pats. I'm guessing they got all the info. out of him that they were going to and got rid of him. Still seems weird to me.

It was a conditional 7th. I am guessing we get nothing.

[effo5231]

It was a conditional 7th. I am guessing we get nothing.

That can't be how it works... I would assume that the 7th was the baseline and it could move up... why would a team trade a player and allow the team they're trading to set the value of the trade after the fact?

Anyone know how this stuff works?

[52decleetzu]

Seems like a waste of a pick when they could have just signed any number of former Raven players off the street. (Hell, if rumors of CMac's money troubles are true they could have just paid him a "consultant's fee" to come in for a week and talk to their coordinators.)

We dont get the pick.

Anytime it is a "conditional" late rounder it is usually based on them being on the roster for a certain period of time.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Burgess was "de briefed' and then let go conveniently.

I am going to try to find out if he practiced or what with the Patriots over the past week.

[Stealthbirds80]

Yeah this smells of a way to steal signals of the D for Brady. Way to go Bill. We must now dust them off properly. Poor Prescott. Hope he catches on with another team.

[52decleetzu]

Yeah this smells of a way to steal signals of the D for Brady. Way to go Bill. We must now dust them off properly. Poor Prescott. Hope he catches on with another team.

This really reeks of something along those lines considering the parties involved.

[jonboy79]

Yeah this smells of a way to steal signals of the D for Brady. Way to go Bill. We must now dust them off properly. Poor Prescott. Hope he catches on with another team.

I guess they should change those signals then... It's not rocket science.
PLaybooks are all basically the same thing. What is more interesting are tendencies*available thru film), gameplans(new one every week), signals(easily changeable) and offensive snap counts.

There wasn't all that much to learn. THe Ravens traded him so that the Browns didn't get him hte week of a game. The Pats thought maybe he'd fit their D, and if he worked out well they'd exchange a pick. If not, they skip those whole waivers things.

Have you seen the middle of their D? IF they didn't take a real look at him as a LB, shame on them.

[Stealthbirds80]

I guess they should change those signals then... It's not rocket science.
PLaybooks are all basically the same thing. What is more interesting are tendencies*available thru film), gameplans(new one every week), signals(easily changeable) and offensive snap counts.

There wasn't all that much to learn. THe Ravens traded him so that the Browns didn't get him hte week of a game. The Pats thought maybe he'd fit their D, and if he worked out well they'd exchange a pick. If not, they skip those whole waivers things.

Have you seen the middle of their D? IF they didn't take a real look at him as a LB, shame on them.

Your right, I'm sure he was better than somebody holding a spot up there though. We should just run up the gut and playaction the whole game. I hope that our D can get pressure on Brady because the last couple weeks the blitz's seem to get held up at the line.

[willy72480]

I think the Patriots were forced to cut Burgess once Vince Wilfork was injured on Sunday. Since Wilfork probably won't be able to go against the Ravens this week, the Patriots signed another DT to take his place in the interim.

I don't think there was any funny business involved with this trade, just bad luck. Ravens don't get a pick and the Patriots have yet another starter out with injuries (looking like Mayo, Wilfork and Welker won't play against the Ravens :))

[Stealthbirds80]

I think the Patriots were forced to cut Burgess once Vince Wilfork was injured on Sunday. Since Wilfork probably won't be able to go against the Ravens this week, the Patriots signed another DT to take his place in the interim.

I don't think there was any funny business involved with this trade, just bad luck. Ravens don't get a pick and the Patriots have yet another starter out with injuries (looking like Mayo, Wilfork and Welker won't play against the Ravens :))

I just want an excuse to call shinanigans on the Patriots. It's way funnier.:laugh:

[baltimore_hokie]

http://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/4454648120


The pick the Patriots traded to the Ravens for Burgess was conditional on how many games Burgess was active. Thus, the Pats keep the pick.

[Carey]

I think burgess will get on somewhere, probably our friends in cleveland lol

[RavenDavey]

Yeah this smells of a way to steal signals of the D for Brady. Way to go Bill. We must now dust them off properly. Poor Prescott. Hope he catches on with another team.

doesn't Ray Lewis (of whoever) have the radio in the helmet for the defenses? They have the same system as the QB I thought...the signals should not matter, but the schemes will need to be disguised.

[Khaine]

doesn't Ray Lewis (of whoever) have the radio in the helmet for the defenses? They have the same system as the QB I thought...the signals should not matter, but the schemes will need to be disguised.

If I recall correctly Ray didn't like the headset, neither did Reed, last I heard it may be Landry?
But I'm not 100% sure...

[jonboy79]

If I recall correctly Ray didn't like the headset, neither did Reed, last I heard it may be Landry?
But I'm not 100% sure...

Ray's kept breaking. They gave it to Leonhard, I'm not sure who has it this year. Landry would make a lot of sense.

[effo5231]

Ray's kept breaking. They gave it to Leonhard, I'm not sure who has it this year. Landry would make a lot of sense.

Landry has it... I noticed the green dot during the Chiefs game.

[Mike B]

That can't be how it works... I would assume that the 7th was the baseline and it could move up... why would a team trade a player and allow the team they're trading to set the value of the trade after the fact?

Anyone know how this stuff works?

That is exactly how it works. Usually you get the pick if the players gets a specified amount of playing time. He got none, we do not get any pick.