PSL Owners...Ravens to Raise Ticket Prices for 2007

[crowdog89]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-tickets020207,0,503653.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

Like we didn't see this coming....:thumbdown: :eyes: :mad: :( :rolleyes:

In a letter that will reach fans next week, the Ravens are notifying season-ticket holders that their seats will increase for the 2007 season.

Club seats will increase by $25 per game ($250 for the season for the eight regular season games and two preseason games), lower- level seats by $20 and upper-level seats by $10.

In the letter, the Ravens say they need their average-ticket price to be in the top half of the NFL to stay competitive. Last season, the Ravens ranked 18th (out of 32 teams)

[52RAYVENS]

We all knew it was going to happen.

[howie14]

We all knew it was going to happen.

But we didn't know it would be this bad. The old regime was a little more "incremental" in their approach to ticket increases.

[crowdog89]

But we didn't know it would be this bad. The old regime was a little more "incremental" in their approach to ticket increases.

Yes...I would agree. I had a 4 dollar increase per game one season and a 5 dollar increase another....10 bucks seems pretty steep..100 bucks more per season...all at once.:thumbdown:

[PurplePill]

:thumbdown: Well Mista T, you may not be seeing me at the Navy games this year :mad:

There goes the $400 that I could have put towards Navy :eyes: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

[purplepoe]

Yikes.

I just bought another PSL before last season.

I figured on seeing some increase, but not this much.

PP

[ladyraven127]

:eek:

Pretty soon we're not going to be able to afford our own tickets :nerd:

[ExiledRaven]

unfortunately, this isn't going to stop....

soon it's going to be the wine & cheese crowd or the company tickets. In a way, that's really sad. The idea of the team as the lifeblood of a city is a wonderful thing that may be leaving us forever.

[FHRaven]

Wow, that's a huge % increase for those of us at the lower end of the ticket cost spectrum. :thumbdown:

I've never done it, but every time we get gouged a little more I understand why some fans sell off the premium games for a profit to offset season ticket costs.

[FHRaven]

there was a time when the increase was the price of the ticket.

Just a suggestion, posts that make sense are preferred.

[FHRaven]

just a suggestion, as i stated, there was a time when the increase ($10) was the price of a ticket. use the brain.

Congratulations. It only took you 18 posts to become the worst poster on this forum.

Your post still makes no sense. Please detail when the raven's raised the price of a ticket from $10 to $20. Perhaps you can get a third brain cell working before you post again.

[Admin Steve]

Fanatic has to be reaching for the Marlboros and a stiff drink :)

I think my tix in '96 were $30 - Crow you sit near me, is that right? Anyway, now they will be $55.

Has my salary doubled in 10 years. Umm...no :(

[FHRaven]

wow, attacking me? now i thought we were in a place where that didn't happen. who said anything about the ravens? there was a time (meaning in the past) where the price of a ticket to a football game was just $10. you must be dense to not understand that.

You're making less sense each time you post. And your cry baby attitude and nonsensical logic makes you sound like another poster who I assume has been banned recently.......do you really want me to humiliate you under your new screen name?

[GreenWave52]

FH, PapJon is saying that the $10 increase was equal to the price of an actual ticket way back in the day. Not that ticket prices ever doubled in any season.

I don't own tickets but a $20 hike for people in the lower endzone seems like a huge percentage increase for that section. I hope Steve B. is going to put this new warchest to good use.

[FHRaven]

FH, PapJon is saying that the $10 increase was equal to the price of an actual ticket way back in the day. Not that ticket prices ever doubled in any season.

Yeah, I know. It only took him 3 condescending posts to make a point that wasn't really relevant at all. Sounds like a certain oldfan that used to bring down the board IQ........

[FHRaven]

i have not been banned from here, try again. but please, go a head and humiliate me over my post, please.

You're doing a fine job on your own. I'll step in when needed, thanks!

[The Fanatic]

:eek:

Pretty soon we're not going to be able to afford our own tickets :nerd:


With that type of increase pretty soon might be sooner than you think.:grbac:

That makes our tickets out to be $110.00 per ticket, per game.

That's an increase of roughly 22.5% from the past 2 years.

Slowly but surely they are pricing us out of affording our passion.

Pretty freakin' sad if you ask me!!

We are damn near double in price of the tickets from less then 10 years ago.

They started out at $60.00 a pop in '99.

BTW,
I had no problem understanding what the Pap dude was saying with his original post.
No need to get nasty or ignorant regardless of who you may think he may or may not be.

[crowdog89]

BTW,
I had no problem understanding what the Pap dude was saying with his original post.
No need to get nasty or ignorant regardless of who you may think he may or may not be.

Ditto...I agree. Knock it off. No need to get nasty with each other....We do have an ignore feature on this site...if you two can't play nice, I suggest you both use it.

[FHRaven]

Ditto...I agree. Knock it off. No need to get nasty with each other....We do have an ignore feature on this site...if you two can't play nice, I suggest you both use it.

Done.

[ClericBlackDave]

RHRaven:


Calm down. What he said was clear the 1st time, and he wasn't condescending, it was you who was condescending because you didn't understand it.


if you didn't get it teh 3rd time, what he was saying was that there was a time where you went to watch football GASP for free. And the 1st increase was to just having to buy a ticket in the 1st place.


Now its going to get out of control.

[purplepoe]

Hmmm, should I go without electricity or no cell phone?

Mine used to be the "cheap" seats.

Now they are just the least expensive.

I need a raise.

PP

[crazyraven]

Calm down. What he said was clear the 1st time, and he wasn't condescending, it was you who was condescending because you didn't understand it.

I Totally Agree, Pops was clear and FH should calm the f down. If he doesnt understand the posts, maybe he should have someone read the board to him.

[Drkraven]

Our seats were 38 bucks in 1999, now they are 80:nerd: AND I have 3 seats:eyes::grbac:Anyone want to rob a bank?:crazy:

[Admin Steve]

Yup. I can understand a 5% increase or maybe even a 10% but my cheap seats just went up 22%!

But look on the bright side...in those years when we don't have to pay the big salaries, ticket prices are sure to go down :)

[DrUnk]

I got my tix in 2000, and they were 30 or 35 bucks. Now they're gonna be $80. Ouch.

[ravenwoman]

The Ravens are in the driver's seat and there is nothing we can do about it. You either pay, or you don't go. Simple as that. People who have money will pay, people who don't will stay home. It's like everything else in life. You have choices to make. I will pay for the tickets and move on. Complaining about it doesn't change the facts.

[flraven]

Raven woman is right, its just that its making it harder for the less-affluent fan to go. My seat was $35 in 1996, now it will be $60. Combine that with the fact that I fly up to games, so I guess I'll be attending less now.

[ravenwoman]

I do feel sorry for us, the average fan. Unfortunately, life all over is getting expensive. Housing, utilities, food, gas, just about everything is going up. The Ravens have a waiting list of folks who would love to have our seats, so unfortunately, we have to make choices with our disposable income. I didn't mean to come off harsh, but like everything else, what are you going to do?

[Greg]

I assume mine are going fromm $35 to $45. I first bought my PSLs in April, 2000. My tickets were then $20 per game. Since then my tickets have more than doubled.

This increase is a bit stiff. Crying over spending over the cap is all well and good, but it just means they will be spending less in future years to compensate, per league rules they have to. Will prices go down? LOL, we all know that answer.

[52RAYVENS]

I'd rather pay more $ to the Ravens than that ASSHOLE who is fucken up the Orioles!!:(

[PARavensJeff]

Well, we all knew this was coming, but this seems a little heavy at once. In 96, my tickets started out at $35 each, now I am at $60 each or $120 per game. I just went from $50 to $60, or a 20% increase. Last time I checked my salary increases I wasn't hitting 20% a year. Add on top of this being forced to by preseason tickets at regular season prices. By the time this is said & done I don't know if I'll have tickets to pass to my kids.??!! A SB victory, maybe it's a little easier to swallow, but 1 & done & then get the stick 3 weeks later? Wow. Will there be a reduction in 08 if their is a cap purge? How about when 1 of our "home games" is moved overseas? Bisciotti is a billionaire, why is he taking it out on our hides?

[Drkraven]

We better not have to pay for an out of country "home"game, then I will be really pissed. I figured that ten less Friday take out nights and new DVDs:crazy: for us, so I guess I have to cook:eyes: and watch TV. As cheap as I am, I refuse to give up my 10 games.

[Sports Steve]

I think everyone knew what they were getting into buying PSL's. First if you don't want them put them up for sale and see how much profit you get. Second I have friends in New Jersey and have Eagles PSL's they pay a lot for theirs. They always thought mine was cheap. The Redskins tickets have been higher for many years and I like our stadium much more them their horrible stadium.

Also in closing when I graduated from high school gas was 32 cents a gallon.

We have great team who is playing great football.

Cheers to all of you.

:jester: :jester:

[crowdog89]

Also in closing when I graduated from high school gas was 32 cents a gallon.

Gee, I didn't know you graduated in 1945......:069:

[psuasskicker]

This really shocking after the new agreement raising the cap? This price increase represents probably $10MM in revenues for the team vs. a cap increase from '05 to '06 of $17MM.

Everyone can complain about it all they want. But how many of you are cancelling or selling your tickets/PSLs as a result of this?

- C -

[Sports Steve]

Gee, I didn't know you graduated in 1945......:069:

No it was 1972. However I still like having football back in Baltimore.

:jester: :jester:

[hurting]

Fanatic has to be reaching for the Marlboros and a stiff drink :)

I think my tix in '96 were $30 - Crow you sit near me, is that right? Anyway, now they will be $55.

Has my salary doubled in 10 years. Umm...no :(

When we were at memorial stadium my tix were $30 per game. In 98 when we moved to the new stadium I decided on lower level end zone at $35 per game. This last year they were $60 per game and if the $20 per game increase is correct (a 33% jump), my tickets will be $80.00 per game!
:179421: :thumbdown:


As someone posted earlier if this keeps up I may have to consider the ebay thing to subsidize my seats.

I have often chastized people for selling their tix on ebay since most often then end up in opposing fans hands. But this kind of an increase is rediculous. And as admin said: my tix have more than doubled in price in 9 years ($35 to $80 = 2.28 times greater cost) meanwhile my salary has gone up by about 60% in that time 0r 1.6 times greater income. HUGE difference. They are trying to price us out.

[hurting]

This really shocking after the new agreement raising the cap? This price increase represents probably $10MM in revenues for the team vs. a cap increase from '05 to '06 of $17MM.

Everyone can complain about it all they want. But how many of you are cancelling or selling your tickets/PSLs as a result of this?

- C -

However the cap is based on TV revenues. If I am not mistaken ESPN inked an 8 year deal woith $1 Billion for the right to broadcast the games. CBS and Fox each pay about $600 MILLION and NBC for the rights to Sunday Night payed abour $750 million.

Just the facts. Ticket sales go to the profit margin of the team after paying staff salaries and other operating costs.

I am not complaining about an increase, just that the increases are far exceeding the average costs of living increases by a huge margin.

I have 4 season tickets and, Hell I can proabably make a profit by selling 2 for each game on ebay. The Squealer shill will pay $200 a ticket for that game. Is this what you want to see? Fans trying to sell off some of their tickets to opposing fans so they can afford their tickets?

I can afford the increase, but it does mean giving other luxuries up. For some fans who are just squeaking by already, this may put them over the edge and force them to sell off one or two games to help subsidize the other home games.

[Rochardrik]

You're making less sense each time you post. And your cry baby attitude and nonsensical logic makes you sound like another poster who I assume has been banned recently.......do you really want me to humiliate you under your new screen name?
I don't know you or PAPjohn, but you seem incredibly DENSE!!! Maybe he does deserve criticism, but not for this. He simply stated that the increase on upper level seats($10) is what the seats USED to cost!:rolleyes:

[Rochardrik]

Pretty sad indeed......Pricing us out and cracking down on church groups.....what more can you say.....BTW..I sold my PSL's this year due to my son's impending birth....this makes me not feel so bad about it.....However...I did buy O's tixs ...13 games....for 70 % less than my Ravens Tix.....and I am going to be in LF Club
Wow, aren't you special!!! What did you get for your 70% less?.... NOT MUCH!!!! Why would you buy tickets to support debaclelos?:rolleyes:

[Rochardrik]

We better not have to pay for an out of country "home"game, then I will be really pissed. I figured that ten less Friday take out nights and new DVDs:crazy: for us, so I guess I have to cook:eyes: and watch TV. As cheap as I am, I refuse to give up my 10 games.

We will NEVER have a european home game, BECAUSE of PSL's. It is a legal contract that cannot be broken by the NFL!. So we should ALL be thankful for having to pay more!!!!:rolleyes:

[Rochardrik]

I'd rather pay more $ to the Ravens than that ASSHOLE who is fucken up the Orioles!!:(

Hear! Hear!

[Rochardrik]

Well, I don't like it, but I can think of 100 ways to save elsewhere, before I'll stop buying tickets! My wife will just have to be satisfied with the cell phone she has now!, not every re-incarnation! After all, all she does is use it to keep track of me! I can eat less! Then I'll be able to exercise less! I can stop jitneying everyone around at their every whim! Save on Gas! I can cut out the flowers for every occasion! Hey! This may work out GREAT!!!:rolleyes:

[Greg]

However the cap is based on TV revenues.
No, the cap is based on total revenues of the league. If the Ravens have much lower ticket prices it means they can spend as much but don't have as much ticket revenue to do so. That being said, given the stadium deal and premium seating in the stadium they were still in the top 10 in revenue not long ago. Maybe that changed and this is to get back up there.

In any case, I don't have to like it and I don't. I was speaking to The Fanatic the other day and we were both contemplating selling some seats to subsidize the cost. It just sucks.


Wow, aren't you special!!! What did you get for your 70% less?.... NOT MUCH!!!! Why would you buy tickets to support debaclelos?
There is no reason to insult other posters.

[FellsPointRaven]

Rochard - you do realize you can edit your own posts, to provide one response as opposed five different takes in a row?

And yes, the increase sucks.

[ExiledRaven]

I'm interested to see what happens to the NFL what with all the congressional saber rattling.

Big deal already about both the pricing and availability and supposed taking of the federal anti-trust exemption....yeah, like that will help.

NFL had better be careful or they're going to alienate their fan (and revenue) base....but then again, they're like a cable or oil company. They know we're pissed at the prices, but they also know that we're going to continue to pay.

[Drkraven]

I hear what people are saying about selling tickets, but be very careful if the person you sell to gets booted you get the letter and and the chance of losing you psl's.

[Greg]

Big deal already about both the pricing and availability and supposed taking of the federal anti-trust exemption....yeah, like that will help.
Baseball has an anti-trust exemption, the NFL does not and have been challenged several times, though only once successfully.

[ExiledRaven]

Yeah, the "other" league won the case and got a whopping $2.

[Greg]

Actually, I was referring to the AFL, not the USFL. And it was $1.00 which was trebled under the law the suit was brought, bringing the award to $3.00.

[BUDDAROW]

Hey, Has anyone else NOT received their letter from the Ravens about this.
I havn't and was wondering before I call them bitchin.
Thanks
Bud

[TL24x7]

Rick Johnson wrote a piece today on the topic of rising ticket prices that I'm sure many will appreciate. It's called Birds of a Feather (http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=22&id=1150&view=archive)

[Sports Steve]

Three (3) season ticket holders told me this week that they are going to put their PSL's up for sale. They told me that they are thinking ahead that after the next increase they won't be able to afford the tickets. This is the bad thing about increases you never know who will be buying th PSL's in your season. This how ticket brokers get these seats to sell to visiting teams.


:jester: :jester:

[ravensfan1996]

It may just be me.....but if i ever couldnt afford to pay the invoice each year, id still keep them. You can sell the individual games for as much or more then the invoice every year. or you can always get more the face value selling the whole year as a package....that way you can still keep them

Then you also get first dibs at the playoff tickets for face value!

[crowdog89]

It may just be me.....but if i ever couldnt afford to pay the invoice each year, id still keep them. You can sell the individual games for as much or more then the invoice every year. or you can always get more the face value selling the whole year as a package....that way you can still keep them

Then you also get first dibs at the playoff tickets for face value!



Well, my whole reason for having season tickets and a PSL is so that I may attend all of the home games. That includes any playoff games. I don't wish to become a broker for my seat, so that someone else might enjoy it.

Not to mention, that all I have is a single seat. Believe me, it's difficult to sell a single....unless it is for a playoff game. Most people want at least two seats together.

Also, when the Ravens are having a down year...say like they did in 2005, it is no longer the "hottest ticket in town".....that makes it even harder to find a buyer at the price you may set.

When it gets to the point that my ticket is no longer affordable to me, then I will sell the PSL to someone who can afford it.....I will make sure they are a Raven fan.

[BUDDAROW]

Never mind, the great friggin news, ($20. increase x 2= $1600 per), Came today.
I usually get company bonus first week in March and so far its been enough to cover.
Could be a little close this year but [Knock on Wood!!!) even so, I'm a long way from ever being in a position where I couldn't afford them.

Even it things ever got that tight, I'd dump alot of other spending before giving up my seats.

I feel for those who are getting pinched.

[Ravenous52Raven]

Well I wasn't too happy either about the ticket price increase, however I think I am always lucky like that and always find a way to keep our seats! I love our section, good bunch of people. I think Mr.B should take it easier as far as the increase, smaller increases instead of a whopping 20 dollar increase! per ticket per game. I as usual am already looking foward to the 2007 season, increase or not, and plan to be there not only next year but in the several years to come! I for one have been to almost every game but two in the 6 plus years I have had my seats. The games I missed were a family vacation planned way ahead of time(when we played the awful Bengals back then) and the other game I missed was Jacksonville, when there was a death in the family. Other than that I am there week in and week out, driving up every gameday Sunday to tailgate and all from Richmond,Virginia. Early getting up and early driving but it is all worth it.

[hurting]

No, the cap is based on total revenues of the league. If the Ravens have much lower ticket prices it means they can spend as much but don't have as much ticket revenue to do so. That being said, given the stadium deal and premium seating in the stadium they were still in the top 10 in revenue not long ago. Maybe that changed and this is to get back up there.

In any case, I don't have to like it and I don't. I was speaking to The Fanatic the other day and we were both contemplating selling some seats to subsidize the cost. It just sucks.


There is no reason to insult other posters.


That is correct. I forgot about the new CBA which does throw in total league revenues. Even prior to that CBA the cap was based on 1) the TV revenue, 2)The total ticket sales, and 3) NFL merchandice. It now takes into account naming rights and luxury suites to some extent, but it is not 100% of the total revenue.

That being said all 32 teams get a peice of that pie and thus can pay/subsidize their player salaries even without selling a single ticket.

Also saying that the team must be in th top half to compete seems a bit absurd. So are you telling me that only the top 16 teams have a chance? I don't think so. Where do the Saints fall in that picture? I'll tell you this, you can get a lower level ticked for less than $40 there I went last year. And if I am not mistaken the Saints went a litle deeper than we did. The Colts won it all and I do not think their tickets are in the top half either.

I just think the 33% jump is too much and their 'reason' for the hike is total BS.

[Mista T]

Also saying that the team must be in th top half to compete seems a bit absurd. So are you telling me that only the top 16 teams have a chance? I don't think so.

There will always be exceptions to the rule, but, generally, I believe that the wealthier teams perform better. e.g. Patriots, Cowboys of 90s. Outside of players salaries - which are normalized by the cap - wealthier teams can spend more on coaches, training facilities, etc. There will always be Danny Snyders who spend unwisly, and there will always be Bill Polians who make do with less. And the NY Yankees do not play football.

Not to defend the Ravens, because I think the price hike was way out of line. I'd be less PO'd about it if we got something tangible for the money, such as escalators to the upper deck, TVs in the restrooms, better tailgating facilities e.g. flush toilets :grbac: and lawns & trees, and a retractible roof over our heads!:rolling: