When You Miss on a QB in the first round

[Mike B]

Brian Billick....Quote.... Saying that you have to be careful taking Tebow in the first round because"When you miss on a QB in the first round, you wind up doing games on Fox."

I miss the guy...He has kept me watching the Sugar Bowl Blow Out.

[RavensDomination]

I heard it too. I had to re-wind my DVR to make sure I heard it right!

Anyone have an idea of where Tebow might get drafted? I'm guessing third round or later but I'm not sure what the scouts are saying.

[Mike B]

I think late second maybe to a team who is open to running the wild cat....He looks like a HBack to me....maybe a Frank Wycheck type...but he is a football player with size and should find a home somewhere.

Billick also compared Tony Pike to Flacco. I see the size comparison but he can not throw anywhere near as well as Joe.
Brian is really good filling a bad game.

[Beerracuda]

I laughed my ass off at that comment. One thing you've gotta hand to Billick - he's never boring.

On the other hand, this game is boring. How the hell did Cincinnati go 12-0 during the regular season? That Offensive Line is absolutely atrocious!! Poor Tony Pike has around 2 seconds to get rid of the ball on almost every play.

[Mike B]

I laughed my ass off at that comment. One thing you've gotta hand to Billick - he's never boring.

On the other hand, this game is boring. How the hell did Cincinnati go 12-0 during the regular season? That Offensive Line is absolutely atrocious!! Poor Tony Pike has around 2 seconds to get rid of the ball on almost every play.

Men against Boys, would Cincy win 6 games in the SEC??
You can tell Fox anticipated this with some of the interchange between announcers.

[Jeremiah W]

I think late second maybe to a team who is open to running the wild cat....He looks like a HBack to me....maybe a Frank Wycheck type...but he is a football player with size and should find a home somewhere.

Billick also compared Tony Pike to Flacco. I see the size comparison but he can not throw anywhere near as well as Joe.
Brian is really good filling a bad game.

He was great. It was sort of funny to hear him say how Pike is going to be a great prospect and Tebow is going to have to play H back and learn how to throw all over again. Even if he is right Pike was getting blasted while Tebow broke another all time record. Maybe it is not how you do it but what you do.

Billick was making an almost unwatchable beatdown bearable.

[BArellano]

I think Tebow might surprise alot of people as an NFL QB. I don't know that he'll be great by any means, but the guy has size, pocket presence, obviously can run, and he has better accuracy than I think people give him credit for. His arm strength isn't great, but I think his intangibles plus the things I mentioned will equate to a good NFL QB.

I'm also a Gator fan so maybe I'm baised. :D

[Jeremiah W]

I think Tebow might surprise alot of people as an NFL QB. I don't know that he'll be great by any means, but the guy has size, pocket presence, obviously can run, and he has better accuracy than I think people give him credit for. His arm strength isn't great, but I think his intangibles plus the things I mentioned will equate to a good NFL QB.

I'm also a Gator fan so maybe I'm baised. :D

I think as is he would be good but if he can shorten up his delivery and keep the accuracy he has now he could be the next Steve Young. It may take him 3 or 4 years to make the adjustments like a Vince Young, but you can not write him off as a QB just because of some limits on his throws when he can run like that and force the coverage into predictable reads he can beat.

[BArellano]

I think as is he would be good but if he can shorten up his delivery and keep the accuracy he has now he could be the next Steve Young. It may take him 3 or 4 years to make the adjustments like a Vince Young, but you can not write him off as a QB just because of some limits on his throws when he can run like that and force the coverage into predictable reads he can beat.

Exactly. I just wonder how that will affect his draft status. Anyone drafting a QB in round 1 I assume will be expecting a more immediate impact. Personally I predict that he goes late 1st or early 2nd. This Sugar Bowl performance certainly didn't hurt his stock. 31/35 and 482 yards is impressive regardless of what the experts say.

[Jeremiah W]

Exactly. I just wonder how that will affect his draft status. Anyone drafting a QB in round 1 I assume will be expecting a more immediate impact. Personally I predict that he goes late 1st or early 2nd. This Sugar Bowl performance certainly didn't hurt his stock. 31/35 and 482 yards is impressive regardless of what the experts say.

The accuracy questions seem pretty ridiculous. It may take a little longer than most Qbs to get out of his hand, but he puts the ball where he wants to on the regular. The completion precentages do not lie. He may not even need to shorten his delevery up much or at all as long as the ball is where it is supposed to be on time. It actually is sort of deceptive in that it always looks the same whether it is a short slant or deep ball and he seems to catch a lot of defenders sleeping on the double moves and deep ball.

[Purpleguy]

I think Jax will take Tebow a lot sooner than anyone thinks. They need to sell tickets and they may think he can do it.

[Sephy]

Tebow has terrible pocket awareness, does not complete a lot of balls under duress in the pocket, has poor deep accuracy, and a slow delivery. No thank you. Ever see him when his receivers aren't wide open?

[Grady41]

Before a team or fan wants to draft him answer this, name a QB from Fla who made good in the NFL? Name a WR who made good in the NFL, harvin gets a pass here.
No knock on Tebow, in fact I would have no problem him backing uo Flacco. He is a class act and a would be a credit to any team.

[Mike B]

I think Tebow might surprise alot of people as an NFL QB. I don't know that he'll be great by any means, but the guy has size, pocket presence, obviously can run, and he has better accuracy than I think people give him credit for. His arm strength isn't great, but I think his intangibles plus the things I mentioned will equate to a good NFL QB.

I'm also a Gator fan so maybe I'm baised. :D

I am not really a Gator fan but I am a fan of players who give everything they have and wear their emotions on their sleeve, and that is Tim Tebow. I hope he makes it, and I think he will play in the NFL but I am not sure at what position.
Billick's running commentary IMO gave us a view as to what NFL scouts are going wonder about Tebow, the risks of taking him high and a little about what Tebow is going to have to endure. Great Stuff, but I am biased because I will always be a Billick fan.

[NC Raven]

I agree that he may develop as a prospect and that he certainly cannot be written off as a potentially excellent NFL QB, but the poster above who questioned his ability under pressure has it right: QB's from dominant programs have a hard time adjusting to the razor-thin margins in the NFL.

Colin Cowherd made this point on the radio one day, how so many NFL QB's come from no-name schools (Warner, Rothleisberger, Romo, Delhomme) because they've had the experience of constantly battling to stay level with superior opponents. Meanwhile, a lot of QBs from dominant schools (Leinart, Jason White, etc.) get too used to standing around in the pocket with 8 seconds to throw, to WRs who are 3 inches taller and .30 faster in the 40 than the guys covering them.

Now, having heard that, I note that there ARE some QBs in the NFL from those dominant teams (C Palmer, V Young, J Russell).

Most, however, come from middling-to-good programs (the Manning bros. played at very strong but not extremely dominant programs, Brady came from a strong Michigan team, Rodgers from a good Cal team, Campbell from a strong Auburn, etc.).

Tebow is coming one of the 2-3 most dominant programs of his tenure in college. While it's true he works hard and does everything right, and that will take him a long way, it's yet to be seen if he can understand and adjust to the NFL game when he doesn't have the receivers, the scheme, and the protection advantages he now enjoys.
I wouldn't bet a whole lot *against* him, but I think it's going to be a very, very steep learning curve from where he is now.

[Mike B]

The accuracy questions seem pretty ridiculous. It may take a little longer than most Qbs to get out of his hand, but he puts the ball where he wants to on the regular. The completion precentages do not lie. He may not even need to shorten his delevery up much or at all as long as the ball is where it is supposed to be on time. It actually is sort of deceptive in that it always looks the same whether it is a short slant or deep ball and he seems to catch a lot of defenders sleeping on the double moves and deep ball.

If history teaches us anything, it tells us the completion percentage comes down. Brian mentioned smaller windows, and shorter time to identify reads. I think that is why Tebow will have to change his mechanics. In addition to me he looks like he will be a speed rushers dream in regards to how low the ball drops on his wind up. The kid is smart and a hard worker. He IMO is the best college player in the last 15 years or more so you have to like his chances to compete.

[baltimore_hokie]

The accuracy questions seem pretty ridiculous. It may take a little longer than most Qbs to get out of his hand, but he puts the ball where he wants to on the regular. The completion precentages do not lie. He may not even need to shorten his delevery up much or at all as long as the ball is where it is supposed to be on time. It actually is sort of deceptive in that it always looks the same whether it is a short slant or deep ball and he seems to catch a lot of defenders sleeping on the double moves and deep ball.

The completion percentages do lie. Half of Tebow's completions are screens, shovel passes, or something of that sort. You can't rely on those passes in the NFL.

It also helps a good but that he has the fastest and most talented team in every game he plays. Tebow has nothing to do with catching defenders on double moves, it has much more to do with the 4.2 speed and 6'5" receivers he has out there to throw to.

That system is great for college football and great for the speedy talent they have across the board. The only issue is that none of the throws Tebow has made the past four years translate to the NFL. He won't have that system playing for the Jaguars. He won't have the fastest players on the field to throw to every week. He will have to throw downfield to be successful. He will have Ed Reed keying in on his windup throwing motion.

Some team will take him in the second round, but it will be a mistake. Other than being a complete and utter douche, I really just don't see him doing anything in the NFL.

PFT just put up an article saying the Jags may have to trade up from 15-20 in order to get Tebow...shocking.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/02/tebow-makes-his-case-for-a-draft-day-climb/

[Jeremiah W]

I think the big program thing is legit. That is always a concern for any player from a dominant team that never really had to worry about getting gameplanned or double teamed because they guy next to him was even better.

The motion is slow, and he got beat down this year vs good defensive teams like Bama and SC.

I am not sure where a team would draft him or rate him as a prospect, but do think he will be a very good to great NFL QB eventually depending on who coaches him and what type of system they try to run.

He is going to have to change his throwing motion and speed up his reads. Learn how to slide, most likley block and catch as well if he wants to play right away, but the guy has broken a lot of records and I do not think those Florida teams would have looked as dominant on offense with just another QB there.

When you can run like he can, you do not face the same kind of coverages and pass rushes a normal QB has to deal with. Teams play a lot of predictable single high saftey looks and rush more to contain than actually sack the QB unless they blitz, and then they still worry about contain and QB spy to single up your outlets in the flats and crossing patterns.

There is a lot of Vince Young and Mike Vick pro and cons to his style, he may not be as fast as either guy, but is a very effective runner and he may throw a lot of short passes but he throws them very accurately. Billick noted how his swing passes were right in the backs hands leading him downhill in stride. Boller could never make that throw consistantly even though he could make "all the other throws". Tebow in a lot of ways reminds me of Ben R but with a longer, Leftwich type of throwing motion. If Leftwich had Ben's scrambling and tackle breaking ability though maybe he would have been more effective.

I think Tebow will be at least effective in the NFL because he can throw on the run, even hit jump shot type passes off of run fakes you have to respect.

Not sure what will happen the first time he tries to run over an NFL linebacker or SS the way he does in college though, that could be ugly if he does not learn to slide.

[baltimore_hokie]

Not sure what will happen the first time he tries to run over an NFL linebacker or SS the way he does in college though, that could be ugly if he does not learn to slide.

We wouldn't be talking about him if he didn't do that, and that stuff won't fly in the NFL. He's a big boy and all, but you can't expect to stay healthy lowering your shoulder on every play in the NFL. Yet another reason I just don't see his game suiting the big leagues.

[jonboy79]

The completion percentages do lie. Half of Tebow's completions are screens, shovel passes, or something of that sort. You can't rely on those passes in the NFL.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/02/tebow-makes-his-case-for-a-draft-day-climb/

You can, in fact you BETTER if you have players liek Ray Rice, and MJD...

I think JAX, New England, or another typically good team later in the first round will pick him. I think he will contribute some in his first coupel of years, and eventually be an NFL starting QB of reasonably good capability.

He is better in almost every way then Vince Young, and as Vince has shown, winners jsut win, they may not make it pretty, btu they win.

[Rxdoxx]

Brian has a wonderful sense of humor. A little dry but he isn't afraid to poke fun at himself. think that is part of why we love him.
What other guy could get away with calling his fans "they're all drunk", (probably true) and not be poking fun at the fans but at himself?
That 'announcer on Fox' showed again that he is a character, and while he may have been bashed at times as coach here, he was never hated.


As to Tebow
As a QB, I'd look to Troy Smith and say 5th round, too much time and investment to be higher.
But if he is willing to learn another position, then up to 2nd or 3rd round.
He is an athlete, can take a hit, has size and room for some bulk.
We can think of a number of college QBs who have done it.... Randall-El, Brian Mitchell, heck even Rex Kern come quickly to mind
Can't blame him for wanting to stay a QB, just have to listen for how willing he is to try to change. That will determine how high he is picked.

[jonboy79]

As to Tebow
As a QB, I'd look to Troy Smith and say 5th round, too much time and investment to be higher.
But if he is willing to learn another position, then up to 2nd or 3rd round.
He is an athlete, can take a hit, has size and room for some bulk.
We can think of a number of college QBs who have done it.... Randall-El, Brian Mitchell, heck even Rex Kern come quickly to mind
Can't blame him for wanting to stay a QB, just have to listen for how willing he is to try to change. That will determine how high he is picked.

Tebow will NOT be a complete bsut. A good coach will find a use for him if he cannot play QB, that's why he will be LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG gone by the 5th round.

IF he makes it to day 2(I HIGHLY DOUBT IT) I would imagine he would be picked a flurry of moves in the first few picks of day 2.

[sailorsam]

maybe he could be a /slash type qb?

I think Coach Billick made that comment in his book. good book btw; not nearly as much 'insider' stuff as I'd like, but he knows better than to burn any bridges.

agree, Florida qbs (Shane Matthews, Wayne Peace, Danny Wuerffel) haven't done much in the NFL. nor did Coach Spurrier. I think the Terps have a better track record (Boomer, Gelbaugh, Reich, Shaun Hill, Neil O'donnell, Bob Avellini).

[Beerracuda]

SEC football is without a doubt the best conference in the NCAA. For the most part, the majority of those schools' programs are good as a result of the sum of their parts, and not usually because of one or two individuals.

The players who go to weaker conferences will generally have to refine their skills as an athlete to make themselves better, and will probably be more able to adapt to the jump to the NFL level.

Of course, this is a vast generalization, but quite often true.

[OriAl]

Boller wasn't a miss - how he was protected and developed was. He had/has the ability to be good. Unlike the way Cameron protected Flacco with extra blocking his first season (plus an overall improved offensive line), Billick and Cavanaugh never nursed Boller like that. Our pass blocking was terrible throughout Boller's career. Ogden was great at pass and run blocking, but other than him, Ozzie built our lines to run block, and Boller paid the price for that.

Look at Flacco during the middle of this season when his protection let down - more picks than TDs, and the offense was lousy. Other than rare exceptions like Big Ben, who can shed tacklers and then complete passes, QBs who are constantly pressured do poorly. That includes Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, which is why opponents seek to get pressure on them.

[Beerracuda]

Totally agree, OriAl... Not meaning to be a Boller apologist here, but had he offensive weapons around him (a decent O-line, decent receivers, etc), he very well may have been decent. Certainly no one can deny that he had the heart of a competitor, as well as a decent arm.

I always blamed most of Boller's stumbles on snap at the feet of Mike Flynn. I never liked Flynn at any time of his career, and I saw too many times Flynn getting shoved back at snap, and stepping back on Boller's feet.

To me, Boller was permanently damaged after a few years of this same kind of play. Shell-shocked, no confidence, whatever you wanna call it. It started with his first snap, and continued throughout his tenure here as a Raven.

[Rxdoxx]

I think the Terps have a better track record (Boomer, Gelbaugh, Reich, Shaun Hill, Neil O'donnell, Bob Avellini).

I think there is a trivia question about 6 former Terp QBs starting in the NFL on the same day. The 2 you didn't mention were Zolak, and Tice who was converted to TE (which is what I think some team is going to try to do with Tebow if he lets them).

[4G63]

Some team will take him in the second round, but it will be a mistake. Other than being a complete and utter douche, I really just don't see him doing anything in the NFL.

PFT just put up an article saying the Jags may have to trade up from 15-20 in order to get Tebow...shocking.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/02/tebow-makes-his-case-for-a-draft-day-climb/

Why so much hate? What makes him a "complete and utter douche"?

I guess because he's not gangbanging or getting DWI's or running dog fighting rings in the offseason makes him a douche, right?

The kid has heart and wants to prove he's capable of fitting in in the NFL somewhere....I'd take him here because he'd be fantastic in the "suggs" package and could actually backup Joe should he need it IMO

[Mike B]

Totally agree, OriAl... Not meaning to be a Boller apologist here, but had he offensive weapons around him (a decent O-line, decent receivers, etc), he very well may have been decent. Certainly no one can deny that he had the heart of a competitor, as well as a decent arm.

I always blamed most of Boller's stumbles on snap at the feet of Mike Flynn. I never liked Flynn at any time of his career, and I saw too many times Flynn getting shoved back at snap, and stepping back on Boller's feet.

To me, Boller was permanently damaged after a few years of this same kind of play. Shell-shocked, no confidence, whatever you wanna call it. It started with his first snap, and continued throughout his tenure here as a Raven.

Looking Back, I think you an Ori Al hit the nail on the head. Kyle never really had the tools around him. I used to call Mike Flynn the Human projectile the way he would come flying back into the QB. Kyle was a tough kid and much blame was his but there were reasons IMO.

[srobert96]

I think the big program thing is legit. That is always a concern for any player from a dominant team that never really had to worry about getting gameplanned or double teamed because they guy next to him was even better.

The motion is slow, and he got beat down this year vs good defensive teams like Bama and SC.

I am not sure where a team would draft him or rate him as a prospect, but do think he will be a very good to great NFL QB eventually depending on who coaches him and what type of system they try to run.

He is going to have to change his throwing motion and speed up his reads. Learn how to slide, most likley block and catch as well if he wants to play right away, but the guy has broken a lot of records and I do not think those Florida teams would have looked as dominant on offense with just another QB there.

When you can run like he can, you do not face the same kind of coverages and pass rushes a normal QB has to deal with. Teams play a lot of predictable single high saftey looks and rush more to contain than actually sack the QB unless they blitz, and then they still worry about contain and QB spy to single up your outlets in the flats and crossing patterns.

There is a lot of Vince Young and Mike Vick pro and cons to his style, he may not be as fast as either guy, but is a very effective runner and he may throw a lot of short passes but he throws them very accurately. Billick noted how his swing passes were right in the backs hands leading him downhill in stride. Boller could never make that throw consistantly even though he could make "all the other throws". Tebow in a lot of ways reminds me of Ben R but with a longer, Leftwich type of throwing motion. If Leftwich had Ben's scrambling and tackle breaking ability though maybe he would have been more effective.

I think Tebow will be at least effective in the NFL because he can throw on the run, even hit jump shot type passes off of run fakes you have to respect.

Not sure what will happen the first time he tries to run over an NFL linebacker or SS the way he does in college though, that could be ugly if he does not learn to slide.

His accuracy is not great. His passes lack velocity and rarely have a tight spiral. He throws predominantly short stuff and his wrs are wide open. He is athletic but not nearly as athletic as Vince Young. He will not be able to outrun NFL linebackers. The Florida offense has not been the same this year without Percy Harvin. He faced two defenses with NFL backgrounds, Tennessee and Alabama, and looked completely befuddled. Yes he does have heart but QB is the one position where you can't hide delivery and accuracy issues.

[jonboy79]

Why so much hate? What makes him a "complete and utter douche"?

I guess because he's not gangbanging or getting DWI's or running dog fighting rings in the offseason makes him a douche, right?

The kid has heart and wants to prove he's capable of fitting in in the NFL somewhere....I'd take him here because he'd be fantastic in the "suggs" package and could actually backup Joe should he need it IMO

Perhaps the most high character and overwhelmingly liked by everyone college football players ever is a "complete and utter douche" gotcha...

So because Hokie is sick of hearing how great a person he is, ok.... This is exactly why all we hear are the bad things. Most of the NFL is closer to thug then saint, Tebow holds a bit of additional value if only for the fact that he isn't.

He will have value on the field in the NFL, it's probably NOT goign to be as an everydown QB, but I think someone is going to take him in the first, and get value for it. If you can get him the ball on the edge, behind the line of scrimmage, he will be hard to stop.

Remember how he played in the first National Championship season with Leak as the starter... I could see that in the NFL.

[baltimore_hokie]

Perhaps the most high character and overwhelmingly liked by everyone college football players ever is a "complete and utter douche" gotcha...

It may have something to do with an ESPN infatuation only rivaled by Brett Favre. Or the fact that Fox had a "Tebow Cam" during that bowl game. Or the media's constant fellating of the SEC (which is 0-2 against the ACC in bowl games so far). Or him crying on TV after a big loss. Or watching the Under Armour All America game and seeing that half the kids on the field were Florida commits, and no longer wondering why their players are always overhyped.


Remember how he played in the first National Championship season with Leak as the starter... I could see that in the NFL.

Right, so what NFL team is going to spend a first or second round pick on a guy that's ceiling is fitting that role? I don't see it happening, but that's all Tebow can be in the NFL.

His college success and pro inaptitude is like Colt Brennan, but magnified because of the success his team has had. He played in a great college system and was a great college player, but crying after losses won't get him anywhere in the NFL.

He's a high character guy (although it has been taken to a "douchey" level with all the media attention portraying this guy as a saint), so somebody could take a flier on him, but I don't see how it's a smart move. My whole point of chiming in on this thread was to point out that the guy was a great college football player, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he will be great (or even decent) in the NFL.

I understand that some people like Tebow as a person, so that may be blinding you from seeing the facts that he is another Colt Brennan or Graham Harrell.

Or we can look at FLorida quarterbacks that have gone to play in the NFL:

Kerwin Bell, Rex Grossman, Bob Hewko, Doug Johnson, Eric Kresser, Shane Matthews, Jesse Palmer, John Reaves, Kay Stephenson, Danny Wuerffel, and Steve Spurrier.

Exactly.

[jonboy79]

It may have something to do with an ESPN infatuation only rivaled by Brett Favre. Or the fact that Fox had a "Tebow Cam" during that bowl game. Or the media's constant fellating of the SEC (which is 0-2 against the ACC in bowl games so far). Or him crying on TV after a big loss. Or watching the Under Armour All America game and seeing that half the kids on the field were Florida commits, and no longer wondering why their players are always overhyped.



Right, so what NFL team is going to spend a first or second round pick on a guy that's ceiling is fitting that role? I don't see it happening, but that's all Tebow can be in the NFL.

His college success and pro inaptitude is like Colt Brennan, but magnified because of the success his team has had. He played in a great college system and was a great college player, but crying after losses won't get him anywhere in the NFL.

He's a high character guy (although it has been taken to a "douchey" level with all the media attention portraying this guy as a saint), so somebody could take a flier on him, but I don't see how it's a smart move. My whole point of chiming in on this thread was to point out that the guy was a great college football player, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he will be great (or even decent) in the NFL.

I understand that some people like Tebow as a person, so that may be blinding you from seeing the facts that he is another Colt Brennan or Graham Harrell.

Or we can look at FLorida quarterbacks that have gone to play in the NFL:

Kerwin Bell, Rex Grossman, Bob Hewko, Doug Johnson, Eric Kresser, Shane Matthews, Jesse Palmer, John Reaves, Kay Stephenson, Danny Wuerffel, and Steve Spurrier.

Exactly.

Would you rather the Michael Vick cam? I'd rather they promote the psoitive then even allow these negative people to get any pub at all(Ed Block??? talk about douche....).


I wouldn't say short yardage QB is his ceiling... his ceiling is near the top possible.. He's a huge athletic kid that is smart and has the work ethic to be as good as he wants.

I think he will be a very effective package player. Probably comparable but different from a guy like Percy Harvin. Not really a position player, btu a player that makes plays when put in the position they need to be successful. Tebow will probably score a lot of NFL touchdowns. I think he will end up msot comparably to an H-back that throws.

[StingerNLG]

Speaking of Billick, where is Trap when you need him? Billick is reportely interviewing for the Bills job (according to Yahoo Sports).

I thought Coach was so bad no one wanted him? :)

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Kyle Boller was a bust who will be out of the league in about 2 years.

Was he an unmitigated Ryan Leaf disaster...no. But he stunk here, he stinks in St Louis, and he will stink wherever he goes.

BTW...we still don't really have any weapons...but we see what a real QB looks like.

[StingerNLG]

Kyle Boller was a bust who will be out of the league in about 2 years.

Was he an unmitigated Ryan Leaf disaster...no. But he stunk here, he stinks in St Louis, and he will stink wherever he goes.

BTW...we still don't really have any weapons...but we see what a real QB looks like.

Other than Stevn Jackson, name me one other good offensive player on the Rams.

Exactly. Marc Bulger cannot win with the Rams. Noone could.

Boller as a first rounder was a bust. But he will be in the league as long as we wants as a backup QB. He'll be around definately longer than Leftwich. Boller was unfortunately a victim of circumstance. He's one of the only QB's in the league that was expected by the fans to immediately come in and carry the weight of the entire team on his shoulders. It was unfair, and it ruined his ability to be a starter. But life sometimes isn't fair, and he's gone now, so it is what it is.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Other than Stevn Jackson, name me one other good offensive player on the Rams.

Exactly. Marc Bulger cannot win with the Rams. Noone could.

Boller as a first rounder was a bust. But he will be in the league as long as we wants as a backup QB. He'll be around definately longer than Leftwich. Boller was unfortunately a victim of circumstance. He's one of the only QB's in the league that was expected by the fans to immediately come in and carry the weight of the entire team on his shoulders. It was unfair, and it ruined his ability to be a starter. But life sometimes isn't fair, and he's gone now, so it is what it is.

He still stinks regardless of the utter lack of talent there and pressure excuses here.

I'd bet he is out of the league in 2 years...or scraping trying to find a team to take him for the minimum.

[StingerNLG]

He still stinks regardless of the utter lack of talent there and pressure excuses here.

I'd bet he is out of the league in 2 years...or scraping trying to find a team to take him for the minimum.

Naaa, I'd take that bet. He's got almost 3 years starting experience, and can step in as a backup. Like it or not, he has qualities in a backup teams want. He'll never be a starter again, but no way he's out of the league in 2 years.

[sailorsam]

I think the best comparisom to KBoll would be Byron Leftwich, the qb the Ravens originally wanted that was drafted shortly before KBoll. Both started early, both struggled, both are now backups wi other teams / injury issues.

I'll always wonder how good he'd have been with better support, esp O-line.

[baltimore_hokie]

Would you rather the Michael Vick cam? I'd rather they promote the psoitive then even allow these negative people to get any pub at all(Ed Block??? talk about douche....).

Never mentioned Vick, but a Ryan Williams cam wouldn't be bad (he actually will be a first round pick). Joe Flacco Cam (boring), Matt Ryan Cam, or Chris Johnson Cam (speaking of ghetto) would all be alright with me. They don't get the constant love Tebow does, I mean Tyrod Taylor perform surgery on kids in Africa if he wanted to!!


I wouldn't say short yardage QB is his ceiling... his ceiling is near the top possible.. He's a huge athletic kid that is smart and has the work ethic to be as good as he wants.

Sure, but there are MANY college QB's that are closer to being good NFL quarterbacks than Tebow. His delivery would be abused in the NFL. Reed would know when he was about to throw the ball two seconds before it's even released. He could be good, he could be average, he could be bad. My point is that he has much more work to do than other guys that will be taken in the first few rounds.

Another way to think of it, would we be talking about him as a draft prospect if he didn't play for Florida?? If he was Deleware's QB? Virginia Tech's? I don't think so, in the first three or four rounds at least. He could be had for a great value as a flier in a later round, but certainly not in the first few.


I think he will be a very effective package player. Probably comparable but different from a guy like Percy Harvin. Not really a position player, btu a player that makes plays when put in the position they need to be successful. Tebow will probably score a lot of NFL touchdowns. I think he will end up msot comparably to an H-back that throws.

Sure, he could. But who has been effective enough to be worth a first-day pick that even slightly resembles Tebow? You could say other guys have gone from QB to WR, but they were quicker guys that went on to play effective in the slot. Is there any proof Tebow can catch the ball?

Is Tebow that unique of a talent that he can revolutionize a position that no one else has really done successfully? Maybe, but I will take my chances of that not being how it plays out.

You can't rule anybody out, and Tebow will try as hard as anyone to defy the odds. I just have a lot of questions about him that wouldn't be present in other draftees that did not play for Florida or have their own Cam during games.

[jonboy79]

Is Tebow that unique of a talent that he can revolutionize a position that no one else has really done successfully? Maybe, but I will take my chances of that not being how it plays out.

You can't rule anybody out, and Tebow will try as hard as anyone to defy the odds. I just have a lot of questions about him that wouldn't be present in other draftees that did not play for Florida or have their own Cam during games.

No, but he will not be a failure. He will be something. You can tell by loking at or interviewing the kid, he will succeed.

[baltimore_hokie]

From ESPN Draft Lab (ESPN insider draft analysis section on espn.com):


The Football Scientist lab result: The most apt comparison for Tebow is the Michael Vick of a few years ago. They have three things in common:
1. Superior physical skills.
2. Some really bad passing habits.
3. Huge PR value.
Unfortunately for Tebow, he lacks Vick's speed, and that is what allowed Vick to succeed in the NFL despite his lack of pocket-passer development.

Tebow's charisma and ticket-selling abilities may cause some team to draft him higher than his current skill set says he should be taken. Take that out of the equation, and he is a third- or fourth-round pick and quarterback project. If he goes any higher than that, his selection will be worthy of the TFS overhyped label.

Another comparison to Tebow I thought of the other night is Tyler Hansbrough. A great college athlete that will be drafted too high and can only be relied on as a role player.

[Jeremiah W]

From ESPN Draft Lab (ESPN insider draft analysis section on espn.com):



Another comparison to Tebow I thought of the other night is Tyler Hansbrough. A great college athlete that will be drafted too high and can only be relied on as a role player.

It is 90% mental at the NFl level. He has enough arm strength and athletic ability to compete. If he has the ability to take the coaching and put in the work, he will continue to be a winning QB. Boller was almost .500 in 50 games and I do not think Tebow would throw any worse than he does. Vick and Vince Young win games even without a complete and polished passing skill set. It took Steve Young a long time to develop into the player he is remembered as. I think as a running QB he would be comparable to a young McNair or Cullpepper. His arm is not nearly as strong as Duante and his motion not as smooth as McNair's, but I think he could be a Steve McNair or Randall Cunningham type of winner in the NFL.