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baltimore_hokie
02-04-2010, 09:28 AM
What will happen with the team going from a capped year to an uncapped year and then possibly a capped year again?

(NEWSOME) “That’s a good question. We’ve probably spent maybe two hours just dealing with those issues yesterday with our group. Dealing with the restricted guys, which we are kind of at the advantage with, but those guys could eventually become unrestricted and how to deal with it. But, I think what we’ve seen in the past – and this is where personnel, cap accounting, a good owner and a good coach all coming together – is that we can’t be afraid to let Bart Scott walk out the door and hope that Tavares Gooden or [Dannell] Ellerbe or [Jameel] McClain can replace him. We can’t be afraid of that. But we also have to be smart enough to know that there are going to be some opportunities that we can extend some guys and take them out of the unrestricted game, and we can have them for four or five years. That’s a balance that we are going to be dealing with over the course of the next four or five months. Because if we get a deal done, then it’s going to impact like 200 or something players. Like Steve [Bisciotti] said, we have like 10 of them. And we’ve got to be prepared to be able to extend some or to be able to say, ‘OK, we might have to let this one go, because we’ve got a young player that has to step in and play.’ We’re playing that game in our mind right now, and like I keep saying, other than losing on Sunday, I have a fun job. But that makes our job fun to sit there and do what we did yesterday for a couple of hours to talk about today and tomorrow. And that’s the way we have to do it. But you can only do it when you have a head coach in the game with you.”


This is key. The Ravens have continued to develop young players that can replace, and eventually become the next generation, of Ravens players to move on and get a big contract elsewhere. In the salary cap era, it is vital to be able to plug in younger players in place of a guy like Bart Scott that would make 8M/year.

I think that recently the Ravens have done a better job of this than the Steelers, a franchise would would never extend players beyond the age of 30. They have extended harrison for several years at the age of 31, and will likely need to do the same with Casey Hampton this off-season. While these moves give them the best chance to win now, they will see repercussions in the near future for giving those hefty contracts to players on the down-side of their careers.

Yes, we did give Suggs a pretty huge contract this past off-season. Yes, he didn't play up to it this year. To address the first point, he was 5 years younger than Harrison. He is still smack dab in the middle of his prime. And to the second point, he will only play better than the mediocre year he had last year when he is actually in shape.

Combine the contract decisions with far more successful drafts in the past two years, and the Ravens are in a pretty good spot for the coming decade. Without even a semblance of a QB for the last decade, the Ravens were a top-5 franchise in the NFL. It should continue to get better in the next decade now that we have our guy under center.

Dont Know
02-04-2010, 10:16 AM
I think that recently the Ravens have done a better job of this than the Steelers, a franchise would would never extend players beyond the age of 30. They have extended harrison for several years at the age of 31, and will likely need to do the same with Casey Hampton this off-season. While these moves give them the best chance to win now, they will see repercussions in the near future for giving those hefty contracts to players on the down-side of their careers.

I disagree, I think you need some players who are older on your team to form and maintain leadership, even if you have to sacrifice some cap for it.

Having basically no players age 30 or more is from the recent Tampa Bay school of team building. It just doesn't work.

baltimore_hokie
02-04-2010, 10:24 AM
I disagree, I think you need some players who are older on your team to form and maintain leadership, even if you have to sacrifice some cap for it.

Having basically no players age 30 or more is from the recent Tampa Bay school of team building. It just doesn't work.

It's a matter of extending the players after they turn 30, not having players that are over 30 years old. If you are shelling out large extensions to 31 year olds, it will hurt you down the road. If you give an extension to a 27-28 year old and have him until he is 32-33, that is how you have veteran leadership AND production. Ray Lewis and Derrick Mason are outliers.

Dont Know
02-04-2010, 11:33 AM
I disagree again, to an extent.

Look at how Arizona handled Kurt Warner with a signing bonus that was being paid week to week if he was on the roster.

That to me is the way to do it with older players unlike for example how the Ravens handled McNair.

If you structure contracts like Warner's I don't really see a problem with extending players even when they get past 30.

baltimore_hokie
02-04-2010, 11:53 AM
I disagree again, to an extent.

Look at how Arizona handled Kurt Warner with a signing bonus that was being paid week to week if he was on the roster.

That to me is the way to do it with older players unlike for example how the Ravens handled McNair.

If you structure contracts like Warner's I don't really see a problem with extending players even when they get past 30.

QB's are an entirely different beast. As we have seen, a QB can play well into his 30's with more success. The same is not true for DE's like Harrison or DT's like Hampton.

Carey
02-04-2010, 11:54 AM
Sorry to go a bit off topic here but what i got most excited about is when Ozzie says he wants the Ravens to be able to win shoot outs. I was happy beyond belief when i read that, He understands the urgency of adding weapons and what we need to go the next level.

jonboy79
02-04-2010, 12:59 PM
Yes, we did give Suggs a pretty huge contract this past off-season. Yes, he didn't play up to it this year. To address the first point, he was 5 years younger than Harrison. He is still smack dab in the middle of his prime. And to the second point, he will only play better than the mediocre year he had last year when he is actually in shape.

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You say that, but I can say that we paid MUCH more money to a player, although younger, was no thte equal to Harrison. So we are paying a LOT more money for a player that simply isn't as good as the guy the Steelers have. And it's like 120% the money, double the guaranteed money, with Harrison coming off an NFL DPOY.

baltimore_hokie
02-04-2010, 01:09 PM
You say that, but I can say that we paid MUCH more money to a player, although younger, was no thte equal to Harrison. So we are paying a LOT more money for a player that simply isn't as good as the guy the Steelers have. And it's like 120% the money, double the guaranteed money, with Harrison coming off an NFL DPOY.

Suggs is coming off a huge down year, so it's unfair to use this one year as the tool for measuring how good he is.

Suggs has 150% of the career sacks Harrison has, 3 years of 10+ sacks vs 2 for Harrison, and 5 years of 8+ sacks to Harrison's 3. Add a more consistent career to a SIGNIFICANTLY younger age, and you have a better contract for Suggs. We will never be paying for a 36 year old DE under the only huge contract he will get in his career.