Irvin fired by ESPN

[F Angelos]

This story broke Fri and nobody on here has heard yet? ESPN finally confirmed it last night on Sportscenter. No word yet on replacement. Maybe he and Sterling Sharpe can start their own pre-game show network.

[PARavensJeff]

& they can take Sean Salisbury with them, he of the "jew" comment & pictures of his privates that got suspended for a week by ESPN.

[ravenmaniac]

& they can take Sean Salisbury with them, he of the "jew" comment & pictures of his privates that got suspended for a week by ESPN.

When did he make a Jew comment? Please provide the details.

[PARavensJeff]

You didn't hear about that? You need to be more plugged in. It was on profootballtalk.com when it happened. Salisbury said he didn't say it, but he did.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/1-16-07through1-31-07.htm

scroll down to 1-23 & then back up, there are a couple stories about his comments he made about Manning & howthey moved the ball.

[RavensNTerps]

much a"jew" about nothing here...

so he slipped and said "jew" instead of "chew." If it was some kind of anti-semetic joke it wouldn't even make sense.

It's not like he was like "the refs must be jews they called such a cheap penalty on Glenn for holding" or something like that.

[festivus]

RnT, the suggestion is he would have used the word 'jew' for one of its offensive definitions (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew), specifically:
jew (v.)
"to cheat, to drive a hard bargain,"

His point being, the quarterback was taking small amounts, what he could get.

It's a word you don't hear much, at least not used that way, but 'chew' makes no sense in context, whereas that offensive useage of 'jew' appears to be exactly what he was trying to say.

Defend him if you want, I believe he used the word 'jew,' I believe it slipped out, I believe it's completely offensive even if not intended that way, and if sportscasters are going to be disciplined/fired for saying offensive stuff, then he should be disciplined/fired.

Plus there's the whole thing with, um, photography. He's just got to go, in my book.

[RavensNTerps]

he said they will "bite, jew, and swallow" or something.

[festivus]

Here (http://deadspin.com/sports/espn/did-sean-salisbury-make-an-awful-verbal-slip-update-espn-says-no-230777.php)is the quote:

"No need to panic. We'll nip. We'll tuck. We'll go. We'll crunch. We'll Jew. We'll do it all and they nickel and dimed them and Peyton made the play when it mattered."

Here (http://www.profootballtalk.com/NFLLive1-22-07.wav)is a link to the audio. I have no idea why someone would use blatantly offensive llanguage on live tv, in a studio, but he does.

[highwater]

He definitely said "Jew" but whether he meant to say it, who knows. It was all typical Salisbury nonsense anyway.

As far as Irvin goes, good riddance. I definitely won't miss his semi-literate ramblings. As an analyst, he was the worst.

[bassgtrst]

Who takes his place?

Schottenhiemer? Parcells?

?????

[festivus]

In his pre-Cowboys days I thought Parcells did a nice job, when I heard him. I think he was a weekly guest on one of the radio shows, but I can't remember for sure.

[purplepoe]

Im pretty sure ESPN has already lined up Parcells.

PP

[BlackOutD]

Didn't expect that honestly, ESPN was loyal to him

[highwater]

Didn't expect that honestly, ESPN was loyal to him

Yes, they were, but why? I thought he sucked. I thought they should have let him go last year, when his contract was up. They did him a favor by extending him one more year.

[purplepoe]

Yes, they were, but why? I thought he sucked. I thought they should have let him go last year, when his contract was up. They did him a favor by extending him one more year.

Yup.

ESPN needs to bring the reigns in and start getting rid of some of the crap.

Their sports coverage in general is turning into a circus show. The NFL stuff is no exception.

Guys like Irvin and Salisbury offer no real insight. They are blowhards who make outrageous statements to generate some controversy. Salisbury changes his tune about each team every single week. Players too. Pathetic.

Also, the stupid stuff when they take the whole cast out on a scaled down field to show some technique is about as lame as it gets.

Just show it on some game film and have Jaws break it down.

Irvin's ridiculous bias towards his "buddies" was embarassing.

PP

[bassgtrst]

I always did love it when Irvin would go off the deep end when they would diss TO.

I think he felt that they were in a way referring to him.

[darb72]

"No need to panic. We'll nip. We'll tuck. We'll go. We'll crunch. We'll Jew. We'll do it all and they nickel and dimed them and Peyton made the play when it mattered."
And you honestly think that was somehow meant as a racist statement? It's obviously a slip of the tongue.


His point being, the quarterback was taking small amounts, what he could get.


It's a word you don't hear much, at least not used that way, but 'chew' makes no sense in context, whereas that offensive useage of 'jew' appears to be exactly what he was trying to say.

While I've never heard of "jewing" a team up and down the field, I've heard "chewing" yardage and TOP countless times.

As for "chew" not making sense in that context, how exactly does it not?

[festivus]

Darb, did you listen to the audio? I might even be inclined to believe he said 'chew,' if in fact he'd said it, which he didn't.

I understand reasonable minds can differ on touchy subjects like this, and I'm not saying anything about Salisbury except he chose a poor word to express his thoughts. A word that is, it even says so right in the dictionary link I posted above, offensive, and offensive language by sports commentators is something in the past our broadcast services have taken seriously.

> I've heard "chewing" yardage and TOP countless times.
Yup. Me too. That's just not what he said.

:2c:

[darb72]

Jew and chew are so close phonetically that it's very possible that it was an accident.

The (ch) in chew and the (j) in jew are both Alveolopalatal Affricates. That is they are both made by placing the tip of the tongue at the Alveolar ridge which is the top of the mouth right behind the teeth. They're the only two sounds formed in this way. The (ch) is voiceless and the (j) is voiced. The only difference is the vibration of the vocal cords.

Never once have I heard the phrase "jewing" in baseball. We've bothed agreed that "chewing" is a fairly common phrase. My money is on it being a slip up.

[festivus]

Could be. He should have been fired for the photography incident, anyway.:D

If I read you correctly, you are suggesting he could have pronounced the word 'jew' while thinking the word 'chew', which is plausible, though not quite the Official Explanation.

I tip my hat to your erudition, Darb, you are as usual full of surprises. :toast:

[darb72]

If I read you correctly, you are suggesting he could have pronounced the word 'jew' while thinking the word 'chew', which is plausible, though not quite the Official Explanation.

Short and sweet, that's what I think happened.