Troy Smith Wants to be a Bownie

[BaltimoreBoh]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/troy-smith-wants-to-be-a-brown/

I know this isn't exactly breaking news. I'm fine with getting rid of Smith, but if we are going to lose him to a division rival I hope we get more than just a 5th round pick.

[HoustonRaven]

Normally, I'd be shocked the Ravens make a deal with a divisional rival.

Now, I am not 100% sure.

[RavenScallywag]

I'm so sick of Ralph Cindrich. Why does he need to keep putting out there "Troy Smith wants to leave" and "He'd CRAWL to Cleveland to play there"...Look, Baltimore isn't getting in the way of that. Hey, if Cleveland wants him, I'll take a 5th or 6th rounder, no problem. I'd prefer to trade him for a 4th, but I doubt that Cleveland would go for that, since they could just sign him to a RFA contract for a 5th rounder.

But stop throwing these things out there which does nothing...Unless you are appealing to the City of Cleveland to pester Holmgren until he makes a deal with Baltimore, just shut up and stop announcing things.

by the way, according to Aaron Wilson, Cindrich also represents Zbikowski. Great. :grbac:

[jonboy79]

That's one player I'd welcome trading to a division rival, and hope he starts against us to guarantee the "w"

[purplepoe]

Smith already tried to blame Cindrich for the "trade request" back in December.

I doubt Smith is that high on Cindrich's list of priorities.

What a joke.

PP

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

I can't believe what I just heard from some caller on 105.7the fan! Someone said they didn't think Joe Flacco was the real deal:grbac: Maybe this was Ralph Cindrich disguising his voice? :nerd:

[CoverD]

That's one player I'd welcome trading to a division rival, and hope he starts against us to guarantee the "w"

Exactly. If that little whiner is so intent on going to Cleveland, I'll drive him to the damn airport if we can get a 4th or 5th for him.

If he's gonna run his mouth that much, especially to go to Cleveland, then ship his ass out of here, we don't need him. The Suggs Package was fun, but we don't need Troy to win, we need someone who wants to be here.

[Tspot-D-Ravenator]

Exactly. If that little whiner is so intent on going to Cleveland, I'll drive him to the damn airport if we can get a 4th or 5th for him.

If he's gonna run his mouth that much, especially to go to Cleveland, then ship his ass out of here, we don't need him. The Suggs Package was fun, but we don't need Troy to win, we need someone who wants to be here.

:iagree: I think Beck did a better job last year:D

[CoverD]

:iagree: I think Beck did a better job last year:D

Well, plus weren't we checking in with Todd Collins? Sign him, get rid of the Brownie wannabe and then everybody is happy. We'll have 2 decent vet backups and our franchise QB.

[jonboy79]

Let Smith go to the Browns and either pick up a late pick or UDFA guy to sit ont he PS a year.

[RavenScallywag]

I can't believe what I just heard from some caller on 105.7the fan! Someone said they didn't think Joe Flacco was the real deal:grbac: Maybe this was Ralph Cindrich disguising his voice? :nerd:

This is why I have a hard time listening to 105.7 sometimes. You truly get the idiots coming out of the woodwork. Guys who point to Troy's Heisman trophy and say "That MEANS something, why are we stupid and not starting him?". These same people also say we need to get rid of Ozzie because he "can't draft an offensive football player" (Ahem, Ray Rice, Joe Flacco, Michael Oher, Ben Grubbs, Jared Gaither, Marshal Yanda, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Jason Brown, Casey Rabach, Ahem)

The good news is that since Anita left, there's been less agreement with these idiotic sentiments.

[sailorsam]

The Suggs Package was fun, but we don't need Troy to win, we need someone who wants to be here.

did any of those 'wild bird' plays EVER work? I just remember time outs, incomplete passes and runs for two yard gains.

[Carey]

Im so tired of this, Cleveland just give him a offer sheet so he can go home. We will take the 5th to package to move bk up in the draft.

[Benny8444]

did any of those 'wild bird' plays EVER work? I just remember time outs, incomplete passes and runs for two yard gains.

They worked against bad teams in 2008.

Get him out of here. Beck is a better back up anyway if we needed someone to start for a game or 2.

[Galen Sevinne]

I have been a bit out of the loop with football since the season ended but why would the Browns want T. Smith? I mean, so, they then have Quinn, Anderson and Smith? All three have shown about a 10% upside and 90% downside after at least a couple years.

I would think they would go for someone more proven or cut the losses and start over again but to pick up another known quantity that has really never shown true NFL ability seems pretty dumb.

[purplepoe]

I have been a bit out of the loop with football since the season ended but why would the Browns want T. Smith? I mean, so, they then have Quinn, Anderson and Smith? All three have shown about a 10% upside and 90% downside after at least a couple years.

I would think they would go for someone more proven or cut the losses and start over again but to pick up another known quantity that has really never shown true NFL ability seems pretty dumb.

The most reasonable answer is that they don't have any interest.

Everything we hear about Troy originates from Troy.

Delusions of grandeur.

PP

[NC Raven]

The Browns really have a thing for our trash, don't they? Let the dumpster-divers have him. It's like they've tried to build their team out of left over discarded parts -- like trying to build a brand new Porsche out of a few rusted scraps of metal left over from some old ones. :D

[RavenScallywag]

I have been a bit out of the loop with football since the season ended but why would the Browns want T. Smith? I mean, so, they then have Quinn, Anderson and Smith? All three have shown about a 10% upside and 90% downside after at least a couple years.

I would think they would go for someone more proven or cut the losses and start over again but to pick up another known quantity that has really never shown true NFL ability seems pretty dumb.

Very good chance Derek Anderson is just a cut waiting to happen. And I've heard that the Browns new FO does NOT like Brady Quinn much. Which is funny because he was originally the Cleveland native everyone was clamoring for Cleveland to get...

Holmgren is actively looking for a QB to call his own. Troy could be interesting because I think Holmgren was interested in Seneca Wallace who I would say is very similar to Troy in skillset. But, I would think he would pursue Seneca before Troy.

[psuasskicker]

The most reasonable answer is that they don't have any interest.

Everything we hear about Troy originates from Troy.

Delusions of grandeur.

I think it's funny that people here seem to generally think this, but think we might be able to get a 4th round pick for him.

I would let Cleveland have him for literally any pick in the draft they would give me. Troy Smith has almost no value. To us, or to anyone.

- C -

[jonboy79]

I think it's funny that people here seem to generally think this, but think we might be able to get a 4th round pick for him.

I would let Cleveland have him for literally any pick in the draft they would give me. Troy Smith has almost no value. To us, or to anyone.

- C -

We could use that super duper late pick on a kicker, which could have infinitely more value then Troy.

[BaltimoreBoh]

I think it's funny that people here seem to generally think this, but think we might be able to get a 4th round pick for him.

I would let Cleveland have him for literally any pick in the draft they would give me. Troy Smith has almost no value. To us, or to anyone.

- C -

But ..... he knows our offense and our weaknesses, so I wouldn't want to give him a way to any team that we have to face twice a year. I would like something of value in return. I know it's the Browns, but I thought the same thing about the Bungles last year and they ended up beating us both times.

I'd be surprised if the Bowns even want him. I think this is more of Troy wanting to go to Cleveland than Cleveland wanting Troy.

[Dade]

If he wants to go so bad let him. We could use that extra 5th to move up in the draft.

[psuasskicker]

We could use that super duper late pick on a kicker, which could have infinitely more value then Troy.

We could use that super duper late pick on you or me and have more value than Troy...


But ..... he knows our offense and our weaknesses, so I wouldn't want to give him a way to any team that we have to face twice a year. I would like something of value in return. I know it's the Browns, but I thought the same thing about the Bungles last year and they ended up beating us both times.

The Browns have a lot of our ex-players and play us twice every year. There's pretty much nothing Troy could give them that they don't already have.


If he wants to go so bad let him. We could use that extra 5th to move up in the draft.

If there's one draft you don't want to move up in, this is it. The talent pool is EXCEPTIONALLY deep this year. Maybe you move up to grab a guy that's taken a ridiculous fall. But if anything, we should probably be trying to acquire as many picks as possible in this draft. I'd love to see us move down from #25 into the early second round and pick up another 2nd or 3rd and a couple later picks. There are a ton of guys in this draft that look like they're gonna provide teams with great value, and with no absolutely glaring needs anymore, I'd love to grab as many picks as possible and just go BPA at every single one.

- C -

[Mista T]

Very good chance Derek Anderson is just a cut waiting to happen.

I would like to see an outright competition for the 2nd and 3rd QB spots between Anderson, Collins, and Beck. Hopefully, we'll have enough QB quality and depth in 2010 to allow Flacco to sit out a few games if he's beaten up as he was last December/January.





I would let Cleveland have him for literally any pick in the draft they would give me. Troy Smith has almost no value. To us, or to anyone.

:iagree: A 6th or 7th would be a plus, if Cleveland won't waste its 5th on him.

[Mike B]

I know a lot of people think he is a good QB, but I am not sure why they feel that way. There is no evidence one way or the other. His agent speaks for him, and if he does not then Troy should shut him up. My feeling is we should let Troy start crawling his way to the Clowns.
God Speed Troy, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

[Rxdoxx]

I don't think the Clowns really want him.
Used to be there was a "Raven factor" with the Clowns where any of our personell had a higher priority. Across the years we probably could put together a team and most of the FO with Ravens and ex-Ravens they grabbed.
But I really think those days have ended, Holmgren changing all that. In the past I'd be more concerned hearing the Clowns involved, these days it is just another team.

Sure they would take him if we gave him away, but so would a bunch of other teams wanting to look at "the poor man's Michael Vick".

We have heard the Cleveland area rumbling only from the player side, and it makes logical sense in that light (area familiarity, unsettled QB starter...)

But this is a whole new regeime there, and I doubt if they'd pay much for unrealized paper potential, especially someone so resistant to translating his athleticism to another position.
He could be a throw in as part of a draft day move, but I really think he won't get an offer out of our easily matching range. Now whether or not we match it or take the pick still has too many variables (dollars and how high/low of a 5th).

[grayplay]

It may not be a good idea for him to crawl all the way to Cleveland, I mean that long exposed in the elements wading through countless bacteria and germs. He would run the risk of getting sick and who knows, might lose any chance he has of being a starter there.

[Aces2Bluff]

browns just brought in Seneca Wallace... unlikely Troy will go there...

[RavenScallywag]

So, wonder what Cindrich says now...

"uhhhh, Troy Smith would crawl to the Cincinatti Bengals...That is where he REALLY wanted to go all along!"

I'm putting down 20 bucks says next year, Troy Smith wears purple and black.

[Mista T]

I'm putting down 20 bucks says next year, Troy Smith wears purple and black.

I don't think so. I'll see your $20 and raise you $10.

Harbaugh doesn't want bad seeds. He has already had a year's worth of Smith's bullshit, and is likely to want to dump him whether the Ravens receive compensation or not. There was a reason why the Ravens leaked the story on Todd Collins.

[RavenScallywag]

Maybe...let me change my story a bit...

I'll bet 100 dollars Troy Smith is not a starting QB in Week 1 of the 2010 season.

Yeah, I could see us cutting ties with him and just using the tender as sort of "splashing the pot" to see if we can get something for him. I do think it's pretty telling that we 1) used the lowest tender possible on Smith instead of using a more expected 2nd round tender, which would likely make most teams fold their cards and 2) we reached out to Todd Collins. Moreso the first, but the 2nd kind've factors into it. I think more likely, we'd just have a quiet competition between Collins, Beck, and Smith for the 2 backup spots and at that point, either see if we can trade Smith or just cut him. More likely, just cut him because at that point, most teams will be smart enough to know we'd just cut him anyway.

[HoustonRaven]

Troy overplayed his hand.

Holmgren picked up Seneca Wallace .....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/holmgren-acquires-seneca-wallace/

I say get rid of that distraction fast. Jettison Smith for anything you get.

[NC Raven]

Not sure why we'd want a backup QB of a different mold than our starter. He's short and mobile and IIRC doesn't have a big arm, though I have to confess, it's been so long since I've thought much about him as a viable QB that I've kind of forgotten what his strengths might be. In any case, to me it makes a lot more sense to have your backup be as much of a clone of your starter as you can afford to have, so that if you need to put him in the game you have as little disruption to the rhythm and flow of your offense as possible. I don't see how going from a huge, mega-armed QB like Flacco to a short, running, pea-shooter-armed QB like Troy would be anything but a paradigm shift for the Ravens if it had to happen in mid-game.

The only reason I think the Browns wouldn't want to make a deal with us for him is they're deathly afraid we'll turn that draft pick into a pro-bowl player who will beat their brains in for year after year and they'll never hear the end of it.

[Rxdoxx]

The only reason I think the Browns wouldn't want to make a deal with us for him is they're deathly afraid we'll turn that draft pick into a pro-bowl player who will beat their brains in for year after year and they'll never hear the end of it.


:jester: then they should give us their 2nd rounder and they are probably safe, if however we get their 5th or 6th rounder, then they should be very afraid. Robiskie or AD? :34853_lolpoint:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

His agent is a complete moron for airing this stuff out publically.

Even though Troy may feel a certain way, you don't go out and first, make a trade request during the middle of a playoff run, and then in the offseason, make your client out to be pathetically desperate to play for a division rival.

Troy needs to fire his agent and then get the hell out of Baltimore.

[psuasskicker]

Not sure why we'd want a backup QB of a different mold than our starter.

The reason you'd want that is for a change of pace and/or trick plays, primarily. We ran some very successful plays with him under center in '08. The Flacco receiver play, anyone? Another advantage can be that if he has to come in and play, teams aren't prepared for him. If you have specific plays designed and practiced, the defense could be caught off-guard to help off-set the dramatic downgrade of going from a viable starter to a backup.

Not saying that's what you want for sure or that Troy satisfies that as a good backup QB option, but there are reasons to want a backup in a different mold than the starter.

- C -

[purplepoe]

His agent is a complete moron for airing this stuff out publically.

Even though Troy may feel a certain way, you don't go out and first, make a trade request during the middle of a playoff run, and then in the offseason, make your client out to be pathetically desperate to play for a division rival.

Troy needs to fire his agent and then get the hell out of Baltimore.

Ralph Cindrich has represented and represents a bunch of different NFL players.

Have you ever heard him pull this stuff with any of them?

The agent ultimately answers to the client. Troy Smith has shown since day 1 that he has a much higher opinion of himself than anyone else does.

Sorry, but there's no way I believe Cindrich is behind this garbage. IMO he's doing what his client is instructing him to do.

PP

[Mista T]

When is passing camp? I would expect the Ravens to want to try out Todd Collins, or Derek Anderson, or TBD. If either player is successful, don't be surprised to see the Ravens merely hand Smith his walking papers, foregoing trying to hang on to try to snag a 6th or 7th rounder in a trade, just to get rid of the bad apple. No other GM appears willing to bite on a 5th, just like 3 years ago.

btw: If I knew how to use "search" functions, I'd pull out the threads made shortly after Smith was drafted and then even after Flacco was drafted, where some predicted that Smith would take the starter's job and others predicted that he'd never earn an NFL starter's job and would ultimately be headed to the CFL. :laugh:


His agent is a complete moron for airing this stuff out publically.

Even though Troy may feel a certain way, you don't go out and first, make a trade request during the middle of a playoff run, and then in the offseason, make your client out to be pathetically desperate to play for a division rival.

Troy needs to fire his agent and then get the hell out of Baltimore.

I'm pretty sure that the agent is merely following Troy's instructions.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Jettison Smith for anything you get.

At this point I don't think we'd get anything for him. It's cut or stick.

[StingerNLG]

What's his cap hit if we cut him? Can't be that much can it?

Let him go wave his Heisman around and see who picks him up.

I'd cut him now, tell him good luck with Cleveland and hope he finds his heart somewhere in the street there while he's unemployed.

[purplepoe]

What's his cap hit if we cut him? Can't be that much can it?

Let him go wave his Heisman around and see who picks him up.

I'd cut him now, tell him good luck with Cleveland and hope he finds his heart somewhere in the street there while he's unemployed.

No cap hit at all Stinger!

PP

[StingerNLG]

No cap hit at all Stinger!

PP

Well then...........

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/229/500356766_ee0d085301.jpg

Get the eff off my team Troy.

[RavenScallywag]

I still wouldn't outright cut him yet. He's not really a distraction to anyone except the fans right now, he doesn't have a big contract...and he's worth more to us on this team than off...

We cut him loose now, a team like the Steelers could bring him in and just grill him about our offense. And unlike a scrub we cut during final roster cuts, Troy would actually know the nitty gritties of our offense...

If we hold onto him, we can try to trade him when another team has a starter go down and needs a good athletic backup. If no one does, THEN we cut him, when he's less liekly to get picked up for a "grilling of information"

[purplepoe]

I still wouldn't outright cut him yet. He's not really a distraction to anyone except the fans right now, he doesn't have a big contract...and he's worth more to us on this team than off...

We cut him loose now, a team like the Steelers could bring him in and just grill him about our offense. And unlike a scrub we cut during final roster cuts, Troy would actually know the nitty gritties of our offense...

If we hold onto him, we can try to trade him when another team has a starter go down and needs a good athletic backup. If no one does, THEN we cut him, when he's less liekly to get picked up for a "grilling of information"

Meh.

This has been said for years.

I just don't buy it.

PP

[psuasskicker]

Guys getting picked up for knowledge is only useful if you have a guy studying a playbook in training camp. One month off the Superbowl there's no value in picking up said guy...a whole new offense could easily be installed in the off-season.

- C -

[NC Raven]

Guys getting picked up for knowledge is only useful if you have a guy studying a playbook in training camp. One month off the Superbowl there's no value in picking up said guy...a whole new offense could easily be installed in the off-season.

- C -

Yeah, if there were some value to having players around for their knowledge of the opponent's playbook, with all the ex-Ravens they've signed they'd know our playbook better than half our current roster would. If they do know our plays, it hasn't helped them any.