View Full Version : The momentum of the Righteous Winds
Galen Sevinne
03-19-2010, 11:33 PM
bring it home Barack...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/03/19/i-still-believe-we-can-do-whats-right
The transformative period has begun.
jonboy79
03-20-2010, 07:45 AM
Maybe the transformation of this once great nation into a submarine, but that started almost two years ago.
If Healthcare passes on Sunday, it will be the ruin of this fine nation.
Something tells me this health care bill will be an albatross for the Obama. Whether it passes or not the Republicans will use it as a talking point during his re election. He should not have put so much policital capital into one basket.
AirFlacco
03-20-2010, 06:31 PM
Something tells me this health care bill will be an albatross for the Obama. Whether it passes or not the Republicans will use it as a talking point during his re election. He should not have put so much policital capital into one basket.
He didn't have much choice in the matter. It's what the powers that be
wanted named the Pelosi-Reed-Emmanuel crowd.
OBY was just following orders.
Every Prez had a group around him, namely the power or $$ people that put him
in.
With W it was the oil business with Chaney telling him what to do;
with Reagan it was the Mease crowd, with
Ike it was the liberal GOP wing with Dulles telling him what to do.
Even Lincoln had his handlers whom he took orders from.
Kruchev once said Dulles wrote everything down for Ike to say to him at the table.
Galen Sevinne
03-20-2010, 10:37 PM
Something tells me this health care bill will be an albatross for the Obama. Whether it passes or not the Republicans will use it as a talking point during his re election. He should not have put so much policital capital into one basket.
I used to think this way as well but over the past couple weeks...really since the jobs bill was worked out and Obama put the focus back onto healthcare...I have thought differently.
It is becoming clearer that that all of the opposition by the Republicans has been not much more than just that political opposition. I said long ago, around the time when Specter switched to the Dems that if Healthcare passes, Obama wins his second term. From "death panels" to "socialism"..."big government takeover"..."too big"..."too fast"..."cramming it...jamming it down the throats of Americans"..."no one wants it" etc etc etc. These have all been untrue and it is just as untrue that it will kill the Dems in the election.
In fact, this might be the one thing that goes on to change the historical precedent of mid-term elections being so bad for incumbent majority leaders. While the bill is not perfect, it is far from being extreme and is very centrist. There is plenty of solid good for Americans type meat in this bill; no cap limits, no preexisiting conditions, 32 million insured, larger pools of private insurance companies reducing premiums, donut hole being filled, deficit reduction.
Seriously, does one thinks that after the dust settles on this thing and the lobbys go home that the Dems can't run on this bill?
It might be tough this November because it is very soon, the economy is still wavering but in 2012, the Dems are set to be in a very good position.
We will have a better historical judgement on the Tea Baggers and comments such as today in D.C. where it is being reported widely that baggers were callling Representatives Nig#*rs, Fag#*s and spitting at them. Yeah whatever that is all cool for a small percentage of very small-minded people but as we get some distance from today and what will happen tomorrow, I have a hard time believing that Health Insurance Reform and all of the provisions I mentioned above lose out to the mentality that was shown to be the opposition today and at the ugly town hall meetings for the past year.
I have been following Obama closely ever since I was in NOLA doing relief work after Katrina and listened to some Docs down there talking about him over dinner one night. I was intrigued at what could be the first African-American president but soon learned that the guy was incredibly...incredibly bright. I have yet to see him not be in charge of the room he is in and be the person who has the best command of the information in any setting. The debate in Baltimore...the Healthcare Summit at the Blair House.
He has single-handedly driven the healthcare reform bill through the muck of Freedomworks, Faux News, Tea Baggers, Palin Tweets etc to the precipice of Law. No Dem in my lifetime has been able to drive through the Right Wing noize machine but Obama has done it. There is no way this becomes his albatross Dade. People are beginning to recognize his talents as he rises on the learning curve of this office. You might disagree with is policies but you better not underestimate his talents.
His speech tonight to the Dems was and will be, in my opinion, historic;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/obama-quotes-lincoln-to-h_n_507124.html
jonboy79
03-21-2010, 07:35 AM
HAHA
Cramming thru legislation that will STEAL 1 /6th of the economy and lace it in the governments hands against the will of the people will GUARANTEE HUGE democratic losses mid term, and would seal a republican victory for the next presidency.
We will have a better historical judgement on the Tea Baggers and comments such as today in D.C. where it is being reported widely that baggers were callling Representatives Nig#*rs, Fag#*s and spitting at them.
Got a video of that?
Galen Sevinne
03-21-2010, 01:34 PM
Got a video of that?
I guess every representative, left and right, must be lying about this!
Stay classy there 4G :grbac:
Got a video of that?
Couldn't find a vid but here's a article about. Really disgusting.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/20/protesters-hurl-slurs-and-spit-at-democrats/?hpt=T1&fbid=eKo_fFTkvQB
Galen Sevinne
03-21-2010, 08:47 PM
Here is a clip from Bush speechwriter David Frum. Interesting take on his thoughts about how when HCR passes tonight, it will for sure be Waterloo...but not Obama's but the Gop's Waterloo.
It has started to become clearer to me over the past couple weeks starting at the Obama vs. the GOP debate in Baltimore through the Blair House Summit and everything in in between as well as through today. Obama and the Dems finally pushed through the Crazy and finally took control of the message. A message that provides so many benefits for average Americans. The Gop went all in trying to destroy Obama...
a HUGE miscalculation!
So you don't have to believe me but what about Frum? Take a listen to what he said today. He is the first to come out and say this and you will begin seeing much more as the next several weeks progress. As I said earlier, this transformative period in a transformative Presidency could very well lead to midterm gains for the Dems. Or as Frum said, even if the Dems lose in the midterms, the legislative gain by the Dems because the Repubs. refused to cooperative is far larger than it has to be.
Anyway watch what Frum has to say...it should worry you;
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002619/
I guess every representative, left and right, must be lying about this!
Stay classy there 4G :grbac:
If I was there and heard someone shout "n****r", I'd personally kick their ass. That type of behavior is unacceptable, abhorrent and most certainly doesn't represent what Tea-partiers, much less what people against this healthcare bill think. If you'd like to take the nasty comments of one person and lump everyone else into his/her group, then you're far too close-minded to see the big picture. What he/she said was wrong and they should be prosecuted for their comments.
As to the "fa***t" comments, those are unacceptable as well, although not nearly as bad as using the "N" word. Barney Frank did run a male prostitution ring out of an apartment in DC and is an admitted homosexual (Not that there's anything wrong with that! ;)), but that doesn't give that person the right to call him a "fa**ot"...
Galen Sevinne
03-23-2010, 11:29 AM
If I was there and heard someone shout "n****r", I'd personally kick their ass. That type of behavior is unacceptable, abhorrent and most certainly doesn't represent what Tea-partiers, much less what people against this healthcare bill think. If you'd like to take the nasty comments of one person and lump everyone else into his/her group, then you're far too close-minded to see the big picture. What he/she said was wrong and they should be prosecuted for their comments.
But they will not be prosecuted nor will anyone "kick their ass". Nor will or have the Republicans come out and make a statement against these statements or any statement made by a bagger of this nature. That makes all baggers and all GOP complicit in the statement.
The GOP have gone all in with this mentality and it is starting to turn on them. Sitting here listening to the GOP talking points right now is too much...they are relentess!
"Crammed it down the throats of an american public that don't want it"
Truthfully though the bill signed was voted on by 60 Senators and a majority in the House. The reconciliation bill was signed by a majority of House members and will go on to be signed by a majority of the Senate. That is hardly "cramming it down the throats"
And as far as polling? This idea that "the vast majority" don't want it?
Sure there are polls that say something like 43% oppose the bill and 37% approve of it but what the Republicans aren't saying is that 12% of those that disapprove of it...disapprove because it is NOT liberal enough. So in effect, 31% disapprove because it is TOO liberal and 49% approve if it or do not think it is liberal enough. SO it is really 49% in favor of the bill or a bigger bill and 31% against it.
Yet these guys keep up with the talking points...and the lies.
The GOP needs to step back and stop debating the Left and start debating the Right before they are relevent again.
The GOP needs to step back and stop debating the Left and start debating the Right before they are relevent again.
Like in November?
We'll both see where everyone stands come November and whether or not the majority of Americans agree with this legislation. Scott Brown was elected as a Republican from Massachusetts because their state-run system is a failure and needs $1.5 Billion in Federal aid to remain solvent. They knew what was at stake because they live with it...and didn't want it for the rest of the country.
Galen Sevinne
03-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Like in November?
We'll both see where everyone stands come November and whether or not the majority of Americans agree with this legislation. Scott Brown was elected as a Republican from Massachusetts because their state-run system is a failure and needs $1.5 Billion in Federal aid to remain solvent. They knew what was at stake because they live with it...and didn't want it for the rest of the country.
uhhh yeah....sumpthin like that.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm
uhhh yeah....sumpthin like that.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm
"For more results and a look at the demographic breakdown of the poll findings, see Wednesday's USA TODAY."
The author makes me search for the demographics yet there's 4 links at the bottom to prior HC topics. It would be nice to be able to just click a link from my phone...
We will have a better historical judgement on the Tea Baggers and comments such as today in D.C. where it is being reported widely that baggers were callling Representatives Nig#*rs, Fag#*s and spitting at them.
Like I said before when I asked for the video. Nothing happened.
To quote Andrew Breitbart: "Saturday’s 'never mind' moment will live in infamy as the Congressional Black Caucus claimed the N-word was hurled 15 times (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/03/boehner-anti-gay-racial-slurs-reprehensible/1). YouTube video shows that at least two of the men in the procession were carrying video cameras and holding them above the crowd. They have not come forth with evidence to show that even one person hurled the vile racist epithet. The video also shows no head movement one way or another. Wouldn’t the N-word provoke a head turn or two? Is it really possible that in 2010, in a crowd of 30 or 40 thousand people — at the center of a once-in-a-lifetime media circus — not one person’s flipphone, Blackberry, video recorder or a network feed caught a single incident?"
Liars.
http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/03/25/2010-a-race-odyssey-disproving-a-negative-for-cash-prizes-or-how-the-civil-rights-movement-jumped-the-shark/
The funniest thing (or is it the saddest?) is the manufactured rage from the Left and their media puppets. Do you have no shame? (That was a rhetorical question BTW!) No, they don't. All of this is straight out of Alinsky's playbook. When you can't attack the message, attack the people.
No destruction, no mayhem. Civility. That's the sign of a civil protest by Civil people. Won't find that from ANYONE on the left...