Ravens to receive no compensatory draft picks

[TL24x7]

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ROUND OVERALL SELECTION TEAM

3 33-96 Cincinnati
3 34-97 Tennessee
3 35-98 Atlanta
4 33-131 Cincinnati
5 33-164 Pittsburgh
5 34-165 Atlanta
5 35-166 Pittsburgh
5 36-167 Minnesota
5 37-168 San Diego
5 38-169 Green Bay
6 33-202 Carolina
6 34-203 Jacksonville
6 35-204 Carolina
6 36-205 New England
6 37-206 San Francisco
6 38-207 Tennessee
7 33-240 Indianapolis
7 34-241 Tennessee
7 35-242 Pittsburgh
7 36-243 Philadelphia
7 37-244 Philadelphia
7 38-245 Seattle
7 39-246 Indianapolis
7 40-247 New England
7 41-248 New England
7 42-249 Carolina
7 43-250 New England
7 44-251 Oakland
7 45-252 Miami
7 46-253 Tampa Bay
7 47-254 St. Louis
7 48-255 Detroit

[CRZA938]

Do they go into any more detail about the rationale behind these picks other than the vague, arbitrary rules they have laid out here?

[psuasskicker]

Oh man... Cinci in an already awesome draft makes out like BANDITS!

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[RavenScallywag]

I just don't get the rules of comp picks...The free agens we lost were all top dollar guys. We signed Foxworth and Birk for big money, but L.J. Smith and Chris Carr were relatively cheap. So net, we had a loss in value. So I thought we'd get at least one 7th rounder for loss of value. But nope.

We're in line to get some next year at least.

[B-more Ravor]

Do they go into any more detail about the rationale behind these picks other than the vague, arbitrary rules they have laid out here?

The rules aren't arbitrary, they are followed the same way every year. Now, I can understand why some would say they don't agree with them, but they have been applied uniformly and consistently from year to year.

An explanation of why the Ravens aren't getting any can be found here:

http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=46&aid=4329&view=archive

[RavenScallywag]

Thanks for that link. I thought Leonhard got more money, but seeing he only got 2 mil, now I understand why we got none.

[CRZA938]

The rules aren't arbitrary, they are followed the same way every year. Now, I can understand why some would say they don't agree with them, but they have been applied uniformly and consistently from year to year.

An explanation of why the Ravens aren't getting any can be found here:

http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=46&aid=4329&view=archive

Based on this quote from that article, I would still argue that until all of their formula's are disclosed their rules are still somewhat discretionary.

Certainly the Ravens lost more in value than what they signed, but it remains to seen whether or not those losses are great enough (this actual measurement has never been disclosed) under the Comp Pick rules to warrant the granting of a “net value” 7th round pick.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though. I must have missed that article.

[Jeremiah W]

Based on this quote from that article, I would still argue that until all of their formula's are disclosed their rules are still somewhat discretionary.

Certainly the Ravens lost more in value than what they signed, but it remains to seen whether or not those losses are great enough (this actual measurement has never been disclosed) under the Comp Pick rules to warrant the granting of a “net value” 7th round pick.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though. I must have missed that article.

How did the Bungles end up with a 3rd rounder? I am looking at the transactions and they seem to have signed as much as they lost and TJ Ponytail is 32 and should not be able to give them more than a 5th. So they got a 3rd for Stacey Andrews who started 2 games?
http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/transactions?team=CIN

They signed Coles, Roy Williams, Tank Johnson and JT O Sullivan and they only lost one big time player who was over 30, so how does this work?

The Pats got the most comp picks.
How? Why? Who on this list of UFAs did they lose without a comparable replacement? they signed some guys, fred Taylor, Sean Springs, Leigh Bodden, Chris Baker, who did they lose?

Joey Galloway signed (one-year contract).

3/10 Leigh Bodden signed/unrestricted free agent (one-year contract).
Nathan Hodel signed.

3/5 Greg Lewis traded (w/ a 2009 draft pick for a 2010 pick).
Eric Alexander re-signed/unrestricted free agent.
Shawn Springs signed/unrestricted free agent (three-year contract).
Chris Hanson re-signed/unrestricted free agent.
Darrell Robertson cut.

3/2 James Sanders re-signed/unrestricted free agent (three-year contract).
Russ Hochstein re-signed/unrestricted free agent.

2/27 James Sanders declared free agent.
Russ Hochstein declared free agent.
Heath Evans declared free agent.
Kenny Smith declared free agent.
LaMont Jordan declared free agent.
Lonie Paxton declared free agent.
Lewis Sanders declared free agent.
Deltha O'Neal declared free agent.
Chris Hanson declared free agent.
Rosevelt Colvin declared free agent.
Barry Stokes declared free agent.
Wesley Britt declared free agent.
Chris Baker signed/unrestricted free agent.
Tank Williams declared free agent.
Jabar Gaffney declared free agent.
Mike Wright declared free agent.
Fred Taylor signed/unrestricted free agent.
Junior Seau declared free agent.
Larry Izzo declared free agent.
Rodney Harrison declared free agent.
Eric Alexander declared free agent.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/transactions?team=NE

[RavenScallywag]

TJ Housh and Andrews both counted, and I believe the players they signed were all cuts, not UFA.

That's where we got dinged last year, we couldn't get credit for Marques Douglas because we cut him, and L.J. Smith and Chris Carr were actually UFA, not cut. Basically, you can match up Foxworth to Bart Scott, Jason Brown to Matt Birk, Jim Leonhard to Chris Carr, and L.J. Smith to Kyle Boller. Matt Stover didn't count because of age.

[Jeremiah W]

TJ Housh and Andrews both counted, and I believe the players they signed were all cuts, not UFA.

That's where we got dinged last year, we couldn't get credit for Marques Douglas because we cut him, and L.J. Smith and Chris Carr were actually UFA, not cut. Basically, you can match up Foxworth to Bart Scott, Jason Brown to Matt Birk, Jim Leonhard to Chris Carr, and L.J. Smith to Kyle Boller. Matt Stover didn't count because of age.

Coles was cut, maybe Roy Williams and Tank Johnson too, but still there is a rule that over 30 guys can only get you a 5th, so the 3rd would have to be for Andrews, who sucks and only had 2 starts.

This secret formula stuff is suspect. Why not say how they do it or not do it at all? Why should a team get comp picks because they did not keep a free agent who they could have tagged or paid if they really wanted them.

[B-more Ravor]

Coles was cut, maybe Roy Williams and Tank Johnson too, but still there is a rule that over 30 guys can only get you a 5th, so the 3rd would have to be for Andrews, who sucks and only had 2 starts.

Actually, the rule is if the player is a 10 year veteran, so it's not tied to age. TJ was an 8-year veteran when he signed last year.


This secret formula stuff is suspect. Why not say how they do it or not do it at all? Why should a team get comp picks because they did not keep a free agent who they could have tagged or paid if they really wanted them.

Because, you can't sign or re-sign everyone. Comp picks reward teams that draft well and are faced with difficult decisions on who to pay and not pay. As a Ravens fan, you should be happy about that because the Ravens have received more comp picks than any other team since 1994.

[B-more Ravor]

Based on this quote from that article, I would still argue that until all of their formula's are disclosed their rules are still somewhat discretionary.

Certainly the Ravens lost more in value than what they signed, but it remains to seen whether or not those losses are great enough (this actual measurement has never been disclosed) under the Comp Pick rules to warrant the granting of a “net value” 7th round pick.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though. I must have missed that article.

Well, when you track the Comp picks over the years, it's not really arbitrary/discretionary at all. The net loss for the Ravens really weren't that great when you compare them to the net losses for teams that received net value picks in past years.

I'm not sure why they feel the need to keep it secret - even from teams - but with a little homework, teams should be able to figure it out.

[pro320]

BW is far from a moron and that’ll be enough out of you, name calling-wise. We all think the league loves the Pats, but realize this is formula-based. We were hoping for better, but it was not to be.
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[jonboy79]

Based on this quote from that article, I would still argue that until all of their formula's are disclosed their rules are still somewhat discretionary.

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I believe they give out exactly 32 picks each year, so there is that last rule. They do everything else, and award what is left to those who lost "most".

I guess "most" is a little discretionary, but it's probably done in a formulaic manner, my guess would be somethinn along the lines of Average Annual Salary Lost minus Average Salary Gained. Highest numbers get picks, lower don't. Just a guess, but it fits with how everything else is done.

[Kyle Cactus]

If they really wanted to be fair, they'd give 28 picks to the Raiders, that way Al Davis might actually land as many quality rookies as the rest of the league. Then they'd give 4 to the Redskins, since Dan Snyder probably traded at least that many away already.