Second day picks

[darb72]

We have two seconds, a third and a fourth.

With the depth of this class, we can find some starters and possible probowl calibur players. Let's start hashing out the ones we should look at.

We definately need WR, DB and DL.

Golden Tate should be there at our first pick in the second round, so that's a distinct possiblity.

[baltimore_hokie]

Terrence Cody
Sergio Kindle
Chris Cook
Carlos Dunlap
Brian Price
Linval Joseph
Rob Gronkowksi
Arrelious Benn
Carlton Mitchell

[purplepoe]

I gotta think Cook is at the top of Ozzie's wish list.

I really think he was on the phone with the Jets when they took Wilson.

That clock ran down to almost zero.

PP

[AirFlacco]

Ozzie must have read this before the draft. A lot of good players still left
and he has 2 2d round picks plus the 3rd and 4th.

There's some good D guys like Cody left, good WRs like Tate and Benn,
good CBs minus Jackson who went in first round.

Even Clausen is still there to back up Joe when Troy departs. LOL

That was a joke.



http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8179b3ce&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

[PSMD410]

I really like Golden Tate. He's like Steve Smith Jr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iIdPV4eibg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWfA5-Q0s-0

LOOK AT THIS CATCH!! :respect :respect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA5bpJU2eJQ

[Sephy]

I gotta think Cook is at the top of Ozzie's wish list.

I really think he was on the phone with the Jets when they took Wilson.

That clock ran down to almost zero.

PP

They did 2 visits with Cook. He wants him bad, alright. Just curious if they target him at 43, the 50s, or trading.

[Rxdoxx]

They did 2 visits with Cook. He wants him bad, alright. Just curious if they target him at 43, the 50s, or trading.
At 43 we are ahead of all the Belicheat 2nd rounders :)

I'm hearing wild rumors from my nephews in Nawlins that a trade with the skins may be in the works, OT Brown, Haynesworth and McIntosh are being discussed down there.

Now to figure out who goes before us in the second
Clausen to Buffalo? or Bruce Campbell?

[darb72]

A big thing to remember is that there are still two QBs out there who were viewed as possible first rounders, Clausen and Colt McCoy.

If either of them are there at our pick, and no player that just blows us away, I see Oz trading back down for additional picks. With that out of the way, here are the three players I would like to see us draft tomorrow.

43- Sergio Kindle, OLB from Texas
A pure pass rushing DE in college projected as a 3-4 OLB. We've had success drafting players making the transition before (Suggs and Johnson). Sacks were down this year, but had 22 tackles for a loss. Instantly upgrades our pass rush.


57- Nate Allen, Safety from South Florida.
This guy plays centerfield like Ed Reed, with the athletic ability to shift to cornerback if a team wanted to try him there. The major knock against him is that he isn't a thumper in the run game. He'll tackle running backs but the next Steve Atwater he isn't.

70- Joe Webb, QB from University of Alabama-Birmingham
Another posistion switch, this one from college QB to NFL WR. See my thread titled "sleeper pick" for all of this guys measureables. The most impressive is his 3.91 shuttle. Bottom line is he's just as big, and faster than, D. Thomas from Georgia Tech. QBs in college have a pretty good history of making pretty good receivers in the pros. We don't have to rush him into service this year, but he has the athletic ability to come in and be our third receiver from day one, just like Boldin did for the Cardinals.

[JimZipCode]

he has the athletic ability to come in and be our third receiver from day one, just like Boldin did for the Cardinals.
Boldin came in to the Cardinals and was their #1 receiver from day one.
(Until Fitzgerald came along.)

[RavenScallywag]

I'm never crazy about taking a project WR...at least one where it's a position change.

The Ravens have never developed a WR...Our best WRs have come as developed free agents or trades. If you look at guys we've drafted, probably the best one was Clayton.

It can be done, you've got guys like Hines Ward, Antwaan Randle El, Edelman, who were former QBs turned good WRs...but given our WR situation, I think the better move is to take a polished WR in Round 2 or 3. We can still grab Webb in Round 5, we're going to need plenty of WRs down the road, since Clayton, DWil, Stallworth will likely be gone in a year, Mason in 2...

I think I'd go after Mt. Cody, Chris Cook, Everson Griffen, Carlos Dunlap, Sergio Kindle, or Taylor Mays early. Another thing that wouldn't suprise me? Getting Bruce Campbell, Charles Brown, or Roger Saffold. That would indicate what we think our chances of re-signing Gather are. At WR, I'm keeping an eye on Mike Williams and Carlton Mitchell, those are two sleeper guys whose names have been linked to the Ravens. I think we go after WR in Rounds 3 or 4. I'm back (no pun intended) and forth on Gronkowski...I think he'd be a nice value pick, but that back injury worries me. We only take him if Tessendorf is sure he won't be Mr. Glass. I think we go TE in Rounds 3 or 4 as well, go for a very strong blocker.

[effo5231]

Gimme Mt. Cody and a corner in round 2 and I'm a happy man. Throw in a guy like Mitchell in round 4 and I'm sold.

I like Anthony McCoy in the third or Jimmy Graham (I know he's a project... but that's what people said about Antonio Gates too) either by moving up to the end of the 4th or just waiting til the 5th.

[AirFlacco]

Actually, I wouldn't mind Clausen in he 2d as a backup for Joe-lol.


Seriously - Cody, Cook the CB and one of the TEs would be great.

[HoustonRaven]

Hoping for Cody, Kindle or Cook ....

2 of those three and I would be thrilled.

[pyite32]

Hoping for Cody, Kindle or Cook ....

2 of those three and I would be thrilled.

If we get that and then still have Denver's 3rd and 4th round pick to work with, they will come and arrest Ozzie for highway robbery!!

[darb72]

Boldin came in to the Cardinals and was their #1 receiver from day one.
(Until Fitzgerald came along.)

I know. I was refering to Joe Webb being able to come in and play for us early next season, like Boldin did for the Cardinals. The Cards had absolutely nobody on offense at that time so he became the number one receiver. Webb will get to sit behind Mason and Boldin and learn.

A QB we should look at later on in the draft is Jonathan Crompton, the guy from Tennessee. 27 TDs to 13 INTs his senior year in the SEC is pretty darn good.

He ran a pro-style offense under Kiffen last year and improved remarkably. Crompton is the type of player that didn't do very well in college but gets drafted late and suddenly blooms into a good pro-player.

He should be available in the fifth and possibly the sixth.

[UKRavenStockers]

Heard from a friend who's a Vikes fan that there's a buzz about them targetting Cook at #34, which would be quite the obstacle to him making it to us.

What do folks reckon is the best plan of attack today? I've not followed the draft this year at all, is there one target you'd move back up into the mid 30's for, or do you play on the depth in the 2nd to get a couple of guys and be happy with the quantity?

My only concern with the trade down (it's good value, not saying otherwise) is, just how many roster spots do we have up for grabs to fit all these extra picks onto the roster?

As I say, not followed the draft this year so don't really have any targets I really like and would stick to my guns over, just a few guys from watching a few college games last year I like or don't like. I think I'd be one of the few guys on here unhappy if we picked up Cody in round 2. I'd be happy if we passed on the glorified receivers masquerading at TE in round 2, particularly Gronkowski whose back injury just absolutely scares the living bejesus out of me, gimme Colin Peek on day 3 over this lot on day 2.

[jonboy79]

Giimme Cook at 43, Corey Wooten at 57 and Dexter McCluster with our third.

[Lee Van Cleef]

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/sergio-kindle-probably-skipped-in-first.html

[RichmondRaven]

Cook will be gone before he gets to us. T-Co. will possibly still be there as well as Golden T.

What about Taylor Mays? I know its not a need, but the guy is a freak.

[UKRavenStockers]

Cook will be gone before he gets to us. T-Co. will possibly still be there as well as Golden T.

What about Taylor Mays? I know its not a need, but the guy is a freak.

Do you not think the Rams take a long hard look at Tate at #33?

[RichmondRaven]

I think the rams felt if they could get Clausen at 33 they would have never taken Bradford at 1.

I honestly think that Benn and Tate will gone. Maybe the Cowboys will swoop in again.

If the opportunity presents itself they will trade down and try and pick up a 2nd and 3rd.

[Ravenswarrior19]

Arrelious Benn is still hanging around too.

Because we don't have many roster spots to fill, I'm foreseeing Ozzie packaging up some later round picks (4, 2 5's, 6) to jump to the top of RD 2.

This would ensure we get the impact player (Dunlap? Cody? Cook?) that we covet.

Then we'd still have another 2 and a 3 for solid prospects, and whatever is left over for projects, or a kicker.

[jonboy79]

Do you not think the Rams take a long hard look at Tate at #33?

Yes, but maybe they go to Benn to complement Avery.

[UKRavenStockers]

Yes, but maybe they go to Benn to complement Avery.

Can honestly say I've barely kept track of Benn since all the furore of Terps fans hoping he'd come to MD all of 3 years ago (be amusing if the Ravens ended up with Gronkowski & Benn after the Terps whiffed on both). I'd have thought Tate's shorter stature and what seems a pretty powerful game would complement Avery's downfield (albeit not conventional downfield) threat nicely? Though as I say, not seen a great deal of Benn the last 3 years to know what sort of receiver he is.

[jonboy79]

Can honestly say I've barely kept track of Benn since all the furore of Terps fans hoping he'd come to MD all of 3 years ago (be amusing if the Ravens ended up with Gronkowski & Benn after the Terps whiffed on both). I'd have thought Tate's shorter stature and what seems a pretty powerful game would complement Avery's downfield (albeit not conventional downfield) threat nicely? Though as I say, not seen a great deal of Benn the last 3 years to know what sort of receiver he is.

He's mostly a psosession type receiver, thta can break a tackle or go up for the ball.
They could also get Saffold, Ducasse or Charlie Brown to help keep Bradfor healthy as well. They have Jason Smith on one side, and he didn't impress much, and I'm pretty sure the other side is garbage.

[UKRavenStockers]

He's mostly a psosession type receiver, thta can break a tackle or go up for the ball.
They could also get Saffold, Ducasse or Charlie Brown to help keep Bradfor healthy as well. They have Jason Smith on one side, and he didn't impress much, and I'm pretty sure the other side is garbage.

You can't rule out tackle, I agree, but Adam Goldberg played pretty well at RT last year when Smith went down injured. They've pretty much said (but not in so many words) that their down with Barron, and considering Goldberg's play I'd be surprised if they took a tackle. I'd lean towards a skill position player for them, the O-line is coming together nicely but Goldberg may not be viewed as a long term fix for them.

Smith - Bell - Brown - ? - Goldberg

That's a pretty decent grouping with finding your RG (could be John Greco from their roster) and then finding out what you have in Smith being the biggest question marks there.

[ExiledRaven]

I'm holding out for Cody and Dunlap.

Then you've still got a very high #3 (6th in the round) where you can get a WR or TE at good value.

If you think about it...how can you not like this...

4-3

Ellerbe - Lewis - Johnson
Suggs - Ngata - Cody - Dunlap

3-4
Suggs - Ellerbe - Lewis - Johnson
Ngata - Cody - Dunlap

Then you've still got guys like Kelly Gregg, Redding, Pryce, Barnes sitting around as rotational players.

Ngata and Cody side by side would cause huge problems in the interior and then you've got Dunlap and Suggs that would both be serious concerns off the edge.

Anyhow, I really like it and I'm not that crazy about the WRs around for the moment and think we could do better to get a WR or a TE at the top of the third.
TE - Hernandez, Pitta, Graham...
WR - Damien Williams, Mitchell...

[Rxdoxx]

There is also the possibility of Jordan Shipley being there in the 5th?

[Jeremiah W]

BPAs?

Cook
Price
Cody
Kindle
Mays
Griffen
Tate
Campbell
Benn
Hernandez
Ghee
Wooten
Gronkowski

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade/dt-by-grade-input:2
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/linval-joseph?id=496802#tabs:tab-analysis

This guy has to get a look. He did 39 reps and is as huge as any DT in the draft.
nfl list has some I forgot

[jonboy79]

You can't rule out tackle, I agree, but Adam Goldberg played pretty well at RT last year when Smith went down injured. They've pretty much said (but not in so many words) that their down with Barron, and considering Goldberg's play I'd be surprised if they took a tackle. I'd lean towards a skill position player for them, the O-line is coming together nicely but Goldberg may not be viewed as a long term fix for them.

Smith - Bell - Brown - ? - Goldberg

That's a pretty decent grouping with finding your RG (could be John Greco from their roster) and then finding out what you have in Smith being the biggest question marks there.

Perhaps they wait ont eh OL until the third and hope to get Asamoah or however you spell it.

Tate has as good a chance as any...

[Carey]

Just winging it here........

43-CB Chris Cook

57-DT Lamar Houston

88-WR Carlton Mitchell

123-TE Tony Moeki

156-RB Legarette Blount

157-TE Colin Peek

174-OLB Obrien Schofield....Will be on IR this year but he's an explosive and relentless pass rusher though he's undersized, we could afford to wait on him

At WR they could wait a round and take Mike Williams and maybe take a TE in the 3rd, Also they could grab Mt Cody first and go CB at 57, also Corey Wooton would be a nice option at DE. I love the flexibility we have gained now.

[UKRavenStockers]

Perhaps they wait ont eh OL until the third and hope to get Asamoah or however you spell it.

Tate has as good a chance as any...

Rookie RG & Goldberg RT or Goldberg RG & Rookie RT

That'd appear to be the choice.

[TTRaven]

43- Terrence Cody
57- Rob Gronkowski
70- Akwasi Owusu-Ansah

[RavenScallywag]

Food for thought...PFT has done a 2nd round mock base don who's left...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/second-round-nfl-mock/

Take it with a grain of salt...Chris Cook doesn't even go in this round on this one, and we end up with Linval Joseph AND Mount Cody.

[UKRavenStockers]

Food for thought...PFT has done a 2nd round mock base don who's left...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/second-round-nfl-mock/

Take it with a grain of salt...Chris Cook doesn't even go in this round on this one, and we end up with Linval Joseph AND Mount Cody.

Would be surprising but I saw somewhere mention earlier today that Joseph could play anywhere from NT to 5 tech.

[pyite32]

No way in hell we get 2 DT's.

[RavenScallywag]

I agree, I'd be more ecstatic if we take Chris Cook at the first spot, then Mount Cody with the 2nd. But I think really, Cook and/or Cody are both gone by our pick, and we can only take one at the first pick.

[Carey]

I just hoping we leave today with a corner and a NT or DE. With the early third im hoping for a TE or WR depending on the value at the time. I dont think Oz will take 2 D-Lineman today.

[trailhiker85]

I just hoping we leave today with a corner and a NT or DE. With the early third im hoping for a TE or WR depending on the value at the time. I dont think Oz will take 2 D-Lineman today.

Yeah, one DL in Round 2 would make sense, but not two. Would like Cook at CB in this round. Seeing all sorts of wild guesses when he'll be taken, anywhere from early 2nd to early 3rd. Guess there's no reason that surprises won't keep coming in the 2nd round, though. I still can't believe Denver wanted Tebow so badly they gave us three picks...

[ravensnhokies]

Kindle is medical red flag b/c he may need microfracture surgery, which is akin to quick death for a pass rusher... Expect him to fall to Saturday if drafted at all.

I am not that up on Cody as many of you are... Great you get a Ted Washington who will be very good for 3yrs but then eat his way out of the league. We already have a stable of run stoppers: Ngata (who I am a little disappointed with his pass rushing development), Gregg (sure he is a yr or 2 away from being done), Talavou, and McKinney. Year after year, the Ravens are easily in the Top 5 against the rush so how does Cody, another run stopper, really improve us? I want a DT/DE or DE/OLB who rushes the QB and this is why I like Price a lot more. Need to find a Pryce replacement.

[RavenScallywag]

Talavou and McKinney are POTENTIAL guys there, but there's no reason to think they can develop into premier DTs right now. McKinney has been with us 2 years hasn't shown much. Talavou is promising, but I think his ceiling is "good situational player", not full time starter.

[jonboy79]

Talavou and McKinney are POTENTIAL guys there, but there's no reason to think they can develop into premier DTs right now. McKinney has been with us 2 years hasn't shown much. Talavou is promising, but I think his ceiling is "good situational player", not full time starter.

And we have NOONE that potentially can get to the paser from the interior. lET'S GET ONE. Cory Redding and Pryce "might" be able to now...

[Rxdoxx]

That is why I'm hoping Linval Joseph falls to us
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Linval-Joseph-Lots-of-upside-but-still-raw.html

I can see him inside, and moving to DE when Pryce comes in on passing situations.
Rotational and versitile, still a little raw but huge with a quick first step.

[ravensnhokies]

Also in todays NFL, stopping the pass is the #1 goal of the Defense. Really I think that these run stopping DTs will less and less important b/c the run is set up by the pass now. 1st and 2nd downs are not run only downs now like they use to be in the past. You gotta be versatile. I was watching the NFL Network and an ex-coach (think it was Mora Jr) summed it up.... You throw it early to get points on the board and it gets those safeties out of the box so you can run. Then you get the lead and you run it in the 4Q to preserve that lead. I'd agree for the most point

[baltimore_hokie]

Linval Joseph and Chris Cook. I really want both of those guys.

[baltimore_hokie]

My players to watch for tonight:

Terrence Cody
Chris Cook
Arrelious Benn
Lamarr Houston
Everson Griffen
Brian Price
Linval Joseph
Rob Gronkowksi
Nate Allen
Carlos Dunlap
Koa Misi
Taylor Price

Brandon Ghee
Carlton Mitchell (perfect landing spot at pick #70)
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Cam Thomas
Gene Atkins
Greg Hardy

[effo5231]

My players to watch for tonight:

Terrence Cody
Chris Cook
Arrelious Benn
Everson Griffen
Brian Price
Linval Joseph
Rob Gronkowksi
Nate Allen
Carlos Dunlap
Koa Misi
Taylor Price

Brandon Ghee
Carlton Mitchell (perfect landing spot at pick #70)
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Cam Thomas
Gene Atkins
Greg Hardy

I'll be happy if we can get any combination of 3 of the bolded picks.

[trailhiker85]

Linval Joseph and Chris Cook. I really want both of those guys.

Yeah, those guys would make me very happy with Round 2.

[baltimore_hokie]

I'll be happy if we can get any combination of 3 of the bolded picks.

It looks like Cook will be going to the Vikings with the second pick of the round. One of the DL prospects (Lamarr Houston, Linval Joseph, Terrence Cody, Brian Price) will likely be our pick.

[Jeremiah W]

I wonder what they think of Taylor Mays. There is sort of a need for a coverage LB that can match up all kinds of different weapons. He may not be an NFL FS, but I think he would make a monster WLB/ SS who could line up on TEs or pick up backs or big Wrs in the flats or slot. FS is sort of like QB with all the different reads and responsibility. If Mays moved to LB or SS where he only has 1 or 2 reads and can use his speed to get after the QB and on the other side of the line, he may be a much more effective player in the box, side to side and down hill than he was trying to cover the deep half and still be the enforcer over the middle. that is more about angles and anticipation than pure athletic ability, but the SS or WLB role is much more physical, and he looks like he can do physical pretty well. With our DL and edge setting OLBs, all we really need is a guy who can beat backs tot eh edge and TEs or slot Wrs to the spot on seem passes. He even has the kind of speed and acceleration needed to jam split ends and then still blitz effectivly.

[effo5231]

I laughed it off as silly back when JW suggested it but I just heard that the Skins would give up Haynesworth for a forth. HOLD ON I know you're already pissed that I'm mentioning it but hear me out.

I know Haynesworth doesn't want to play the nose, but he has said that he would be happy to play 3-4 End. Imagine how impenetrable our line would be if we got Cody or some other young NT in the second. We could line Albert up in Pryce's spot and let him collapse the pocket and draw guard and tackle blocks forcing teams to try and block Sizzle with a TE or a back.

I know its a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot. But I wouldn't be the least bit unhappy with these defensive alignments.

3-4

Suggs Ellerbe Ray JJ

Ngata Cody Albert

or 4-3

Suggs Ray JJ

Kruger Ngata Cody Albert

or if we don't get a nose and Kruger is as bulked up as rumors indicate:

3-4

Suggs Ellerbe Ray JJ

Kruger Ngata Albert

4-3

Ellerbe Ray JJ

Suggs Ngata Albert Kruger

I know, probably a silly fantasy football theory but admit it... in theory it works.

[HoustonRaven]

I know Haynesworth doesn't want to play the nose, but he has said that he would be happy to play 3-4 End. Imagine how impenetrable our line would be if we got Cody or some other young NT in the second. We could line Albert up in Pryce's spot and let him collapse the pocket and draw guard and tackle blocks forcing teams to try and block Sizzle with a TE or a back

You've been taking swigs off the Jameson bottle, haven't you?

Nobody ever questioned his skills. It's his take-every-third-play-off mentality that makes him a cancer.

Those skills mean dick when the team cannot rely upon you to actually be in the game.

Can you imagine if he pulls the same stuff he pulled in the Detroit game during say, I dont know, the Steelers game?

No thanks and twice on Saturday.

[effo5231]

You've been taking swigs off the Jameson bottle, haven't you?

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/11/128812609007392591.jpg

I admit... it's probably a terrible idea, but Fat Albert was one of those players I was a fan of going into his draft and part of me always liked the idea of getting him.

Other players I only care about because I wanted to draft them back in the day include:

Bob Sanders,
Peyton Hillis,
Matt Jones,
Kyle Eckle,
Leonard Pope,
etc.