More m&t bank stadium upgrades

[TL24x7]

Over 500 Sony flat screen, high definition televisions are also being installed throughout M&T Bank Stadium to enhance the fans’ game-day experience.

[StingerNLG]

Those new HD SmartVision boards look amazing! I cannot wait to see them live.

[Mista T]

One "improvement" which will, in my opinion, become a step backwards will be adding the NFL Red Zone to the video boards. :thumbdown: The NFL is trying to push its product on the home town fans, who are Ravens-centric, not the Red Zone watchers, who are primarily the casual fans watching the game of the week on TV, or the fantasy football players. Unless the Red Zone is limited to halftime (which might make the band haters happy!) or some long TV time outs, it will cut into some of the replays of the Ravens home game.

Better for the fans would be to provide an auxiliary scoreboard continually showing NFL scores (without all the so-what stats of other teams' players currently shown under the video boards)

[purplepoe]

One "improvement" which will, in my opinion, become a step backwards will be adding the NFL Red Zone to the video boards. :thumbdown: The NFL is trying to push its product on the home town fans, who are Ravens-centric, not the Red Zone watchers, who are primarily the casual fans watching the game of the week on TV, or the fantasy football players. Unless the Red Zone is limited to halftime (which might make the band haters happy!) or some long TV time outs, it will cut into some of the replays of the Ravens home game.

Better for the fans would be to provide an auxiliary scoreboard continually showing NFL scores (without all the so-what stats of other teams' players currently shown under the video boards)

T

I got news for ya. People want to see stats. People want to see highlites. And people want it all at once.

The Red Zone Channel is quite possibly the greatest creation since the NFL has been airing games on TV.

Only casual fans watch it?

You gotta be kidding me!

The most rabid football fans from all teams watch the Red Zone Channel.

Last year before the Bears game (4:15 start) you couldn't find a spot watch the end of the Miami/Tennessee game that was on the Red Zone Channel on the concourse TVs.

And now that they've upgraded to HD flat screens it will be even better.

PP

[Galen Sevinne]

T

I got news for ya. People want to see stats. People want to see highlites. And people want it all at once.

The Red Zone Channel is quite possibly the greatest creation since the NFL has been airing games on TV.

Only casual fans watch it?

You gotta be kidding me!

The most rabid football fans from all teams watch the Red Zone Channel.

Last year before the Bears game (4:15 start) you couldn't find a spot watch the end of the Miami/Tennessee game that was on the Red Zone Channel on the concourse TVs.

And now that they've upgraded to HD flat screens it will be even better.

PP

While I like highlights and stats, I go to an actual game to immerse myself in the experience of the actual game that I am attending. I think the NFL is getting a bit overwhelming with its product and threatening to take away from the experience of being at a game.

Somewhere I read where the NFL wants to person attending the game to also have the stay at home experience. Why? I could stay at home if I wanted that experience. We are so inundated with information at all times that we are unable to actually enjoy an experience...such as simply attending a game. I wonder how many more commercials we will also get on our new hi-def screens?

Part of me wants to sit down and listen to Vince Bagli and Chuck Thompson on A.M. radio again. I'll pass on the RedZone hoopla.

[psuasskicker]

T

I got news for ya. People want to see stats. People want to see highlites. And people want it all at once.

The Red Zone Channel is quite possibly the greatest creation since the NFL has been airing games on TV.

Only casual fans watch it?

You gotta be kidding me!

The most rabid football fans from all teams watch the Red Zone Channel.

Last year before the Bears game (4:15 start) you couldn't find a spot watch the end of the Miami/Tennessee game that was on the Red Zone Channel on the concourse TVs.

And now that they've upgraded to HD flat screens it will be even better.

PP

This.

When I'm at home, here's my watching system:
- 52 inch HDTV tuned to the Ravens.
- During commercials, I switch the game to the NFL Superfan 8-game station to watch everything.
- When the Ravens aren't playing, I've got that station on barring another game I really want to watch. I've gotta really want to watch it though, since I can watch it anyway on the 8-gamer.
- Computer logged in and tuned to the Red Zone.

If I'm at the stadium, and I'm a hardcore fan, I'm in my seat when the game is on. If I go inside, I'd rather see what's going on around the league, cause if I'm missing Ravens action, I'm either too casual a fan to care all that much about seeing every snap, or I'm running out a ramp to see what's happening.

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[purplepoe]

While I like highlights and stats, I go to an actual game to immerse myself in the experience of the actual game that I am attending. I think the NFL is getting a bit overwhelming with its product and threatening to take away from the experience of being at a game.

Somewhere I read where the NFL wants to person attending the game to also have the stay at home experience. Why? I could stay at home if I wanted that experience. We are so inundated with information at all times that we are unable to actually enjoy an experience...such as simply attending a game. I wonder how many more commercials we will also get on our new hi-def screens?

Part of me wants to sit down and listen to Vince Bagli and Chuck Thompson on A.M. radio again. I'll pass on the RedZone hoopla.

How is the Red Zone Channel showing stuff during commercial breaks and in between quarters overwhelming or taking away from the gameday experience?

I get the nostalgia and all but that ship sailed way before the idea of showing the Red Zone Channel came around.

It certainly won't take away from my experience. When I go to stretch out during halftime I'll be able to see what's going on around the league instead of watching the band in Hi Def.

I'm having trouble seeing how this new addition would have so much affect on someone's gameday experience.

PP

[Mista T]

How is the Red Zone Channel showing stuff during commercial breaks and in between quarters overwhelming or taking away from the gameday experience?

If the Ravens video producer (Larry Rosen) limits Red Zone to commercial breaks & halftime, I could deal with it. But I would not be happy to hear the Ravens crowd get excited about watching KC score a TD against Detroit, instead of replaying the last play made by the Ravens, as the players are in the huddle. i.e.: I don't really care to see videos the rest of the league on Sundays between 1 pm and 4 pm -- there's all week to view other teams' highlights. Rather, I immerse myself in the Ravens game. When a Ravens game is ongoing (players on the field preparing for or performing plays), I don't want the distraction.

During commercial breaks & halftime, I usually take a leak or buy my wife a beer & pretzel, anyway, so what happens on the video board is macht nichts.

[purplepoe]

If the Ravens video producer (Larry Rosen) limits Red Zone to commercial breaks & halftime, I could deal with it. But I would not be happy to hear the Ravens crowd get excited about watching KC score a TD against Detroit, instead of replaying the last play made by the Ravens, as the players are in the huddle. i.e.: I don't really care to see videos the rest of the league on Sundays between 1 pm and 4 pm -- there's all week to view other teams' highlights. Rather, I immerse myself in the Ravens game. When a Ravens game is ongoing (players on the field preparing for or performing plays), I don't want the distraction.

During commercial breaks & halftime, I usually take a leak or buy my wife a beer & pretzel, anyway, so what happens on the video board is macht nichts.

I would be stunned if they even thought about doing that or showing the Red Zone Channel on the new concourse TVs when the Ravens are in action.

Have you read or heard anything to suggest they would?

PP

[psuasskicker]

FWIW, I don't think it's accurate to assume that everyone would want to see that anyway...

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[HoustonRaven]

I get the nostalgia and all but that ship sailed way before the idea of showing the Red Zone Channel came around.

It certainly won't take away from my experience. When I go to stretch out during halftime I'll be able to see what's going on around the league instead of watching the band in Hi Def.

I'm having trouble seeing how this new addition would have so much affect on someone's gameday experience.

PP

This.

If you have a fantasy team, this is the best of both worlds. You get the game action in HD and highlights during down times in the game.

I cannot wait for the first home game!

[Mista T]

I would be stunned if they even thought about doing that or showing the Red Zone Channel on the new concourse TVs when the Ravens are in action.

Have you read or heard anything to suggest they would?

PP

No -- but have you heard or read anything that they wouldn't? Rosen generally does a good job, but how many times have you seen the camera pan onto Ray Lewis to get the crowd worked up, inappropriately, when the offense has been at work?

[purplepoe]

No -- but have you heard or read anything that they wouldn't? Rosen generally does a good job, but how many times have you seen the camera pan onto Ray Lewis to get the crowd worked up, inappropriately, when the offense has been at work?

I think you are making a huge leap to think they would consider anything like showing the Red Zone Channel during live play.

There's a huge difference between having an in-house camera zooming in on Ray or Reed when we're on offense and showing the Red Zone Channel on the big screen as Flacco walks to the LOS.

I agree their timing is terrible with that kind of stuff. It's just like when a Raven hits a milestone or breaks a record during a game and Bruce Cunningham annouces it when it's 3rd and 3 for the Ravens.

But again, I think you'll only see the Red Zone Channel during commercial breaks and in between quarters. And I would think that it would only be shown on the TVs in the concourse and not on the big screens at all.

I'm all for the Red Zone Channel being shown during down time.

PP

[Galen Sevinne]

How is the Red Zone Channel showing stuff during commercial breaks and in between quarters overwhelming or taking away from the gameday experience?

I get the nostalgia and all but that ship sailed way before the idea of showing the Red Zone Channel came around.


PP

well there are those who will always argue that more is better and that is a futile argument for someone who deosn't subscribe to that mindset to take on. Maybe it is nostalgic...but I go to Ravens games to discuss the games with my friends, family and section buddies. I like the breaks in the action to speak about the game I am visually watching. I don't need all the ADHD soothing stuff to be involved. I get home at 6:00 after a 1:00 game and then enjoy catching up on it all.

I also walk when I play golf because I like the time in between shots to be more involved in the process.

I just don't need all of the hi-defs, more commercializing of the NFL, lights, noises and periphery stuff. I want to talk to my kid about the last play...quite like my grandfather did for me...yeah, that is nostalgia for sure. But it is what it is but I think it is a poor sign of the times when every free space in our lives needs to be filled by some electronic fuzz.

[purplepoe]

well there are those who will always argue that more is better and that is a futile argument for someone who deosn't subscribe to that mindset to take on. Maybe it is nostalgic...but I go to Ravens games to discuss the games with my friends, family and section buddies. I like the breaks in the action to speak about the game I am visually watching. I don't need all the ADHD soothing stuff to be involved. I get home at 6:00 after a 1:00 game and then enjoy catching up on it all.

I also walk when I play golf because I like the time in between shots to be more involved in the process.

I just don't need all of the hi-defs, more commercializing of the NFL, lights, noises and periphery stuff. I want to talk to my kid about the last play...quite like my grandfather did for me...yeah, that is nostalgia for sure. But it is what it is but I think it is a poor sign of the times when every free space in our lives needs to be filled by some electronic fuzz.

I do every single thing you do at every home game.

My point is specifically related to the Red Zone Channel. There have been distractions at games for years and there will continue to be. I ignore most of them as I find them annoying as well.

We have the same group in our section that have been going since the stadium opened. It's constant conversation and interaction.

I certainly don't think that more everything is always a good thing.

I'm literally talking about only a few minutes of the Red Zone Channel being on the concourse TVs during timeouts and/or in between quarters.

The TVs are there. The screens are there. They have been for years. This is just something different to put on maybe the TVs once in a while.


PP

[Mista T]

I go to Ravens games to discuss the games with my friends, family and section buddies. I like the breaks in the action to speak about the game I am visually watching. I don't need all the ADHD soothing stuff to be involved. I get home at 6:00 after a 1:00 game and then enjoy catching up on it all.....

I just don't need all of the hi-defs, more commercializing of the NFL, lights, noises and periphery stuff. I want to talk to my kid about the last play...quite like my grandfather did for me...yeah, that is nostalgia for sure. But it is what it is but I think it is a poor sign of the times when every free space in our lives needs to be filled by some electronic fuzz.

:iagree: Agree 100% :thumbup:


My point is specifically related to the Red Zone Channel. There have been distractions at games for years and there will continue to be. I ignore most of them as I find them annoying as well.

We have the same group in our section that have been going since the stadium opened. It's constant conversation and interaction.

I certainly don't think that more everything is always a good thing.

Yes ... exactly! "Around the NFL" highlights are enough already.

Our stadium lacks what many NFL stadiums have: an auxiliary scoreboard which continually shows scores of NFL games, which one could observe for a few seconds to stay abreast of how our competitors are doing. No fantasy football stats, no videos of TDs. I would much rather see a simple auxiliary scoreboard added than the Red Zone.





I certainly don't think that more everything is always a good thing.

I'm literally talking about only a few minutes of the Red Zone Channel being on the concourse TVs during timeouts and/or in between quarters.


PP

That would be fine by me .... except I don't believe that the Ravens would want to limit showing off their new team to the smokers on the concourses.

[purplepoe]

:iagree: Agree 100% :thumbup:



Yes ... exactly! "Around the NFL" highlights are enough already.

Our stadium lacks what many NFL stadiums have: an auxiliary scoreboard which continually shows scores of NFL games, which one could observe for a few seconds to stay abreast of how our competitors are doing. No fantasy football stats, no videos of TDs. I would much rather see a simple auxiliary scoreboard added than the Red Zone.






That would be fine by me .... except I don't believe that the Ravens would want to limit showing off their new team to the smokers on the concourses.

Instead of the auxiliary board the Ravens run the scores continuously below the big screens. It shows stats for a few seconds before moving on to the next game. Is that really that big a deal to you? To me it's basically the auxiliary board you speak of.

Im curious as to why you think the Ravens (or any team) would show the Red Zone channel at any time other than commercial and/or in between quarters.

Anyway, shouldn't you be campaiging for escalators in a thread about stadium upgrades???

:D

PP

[Mista T]

Instead of the auxiliary board the Ravens run the scores continuously below the big screens. It shows stats for a few seconds before moving on to the next game. Is that really that big a deal to you? To me it's basically the auxiliary board you speak of.

Yes. For each team, it takes about 30 seconds to flash through (1) the score, (2) the leading rushers, and (3) the leading passers. If lucky, you might be able to simultaneously watch the Ravens replay and catch one or two scores, while watching the field of play with peripheral vision. It gives me a headache! Trying to keep tabs on Pitt and Cincy -- really the only two opponents games that I care about until wildcard contention sets in -- it sometimes takes a quarter to catch their scores, while I would have glimpsed at - who cares - Clinton Portis' rushing stats 3 or 4 times during that same quarter.

Contrast that to Seattle or New Orleans, which have auxiliary scoreboards at each end showing four games scores at once, flashing the screen every 15-20 seconds to another four games. During breaks after incomplete passes, one can catch up with all NFL games in under a minute. Other stadiums may not have dedicated auxiliary scoreboards, but at least they will quickly provide the scores. No stats, no bullshit.

Seattle also has another aux scoreboard which did show stats -- for the Seahawks and Ravens players only.




Anyway, shouldn't you be campaiging for escalators in a thread about stadium upgrades???

:D

PP

I wondered how long it would take you to go there!

[psuasskicker]

I still think it's a mistake to think people don't want that, though. There are some that are fine without it. There are others that prefer to have that option. I don't think they'll be broadcasting RZ in favor of us when the game is going on. I certainly doubt it'd be done across every tv in the stadium. Why shut out half the audience when you can appease basically everyone? I think it's frankly a bit self-centered to think that it shouldn't be done simply because a few purists don't want it. I don't have a problem with the "we don't need it" attitude...I have that attitude in a lot of things. But I also know different strokes for different folks...it simply makes sense to try to ensure everyone gets everything they want.

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[Losac]

There's a very simple option T - if you don't want to look at the boards, don't look at them. And you seriously think they'd be showing red zone highlights of another team as the Ravens were about to break huddle or after a big play?

[HoustonRaven]

I would just like to point out the people here who are taking a purest standpoint on the RZ debate are the same who are against playing the Super Bowl in cold weather.

:D

[Greg]

There are plenty of auxiliary scoreboards, but the Ravens show commercials continually on them.

Instead of scrolling through scores how about scoreboards that always have the scores (nothing else) up of ongoing games. AND PLEASE STOP SHOWING ME GAMES THAT HAVE NOT STARTED OR THAT WERE PLAYED 3 DAYS AGO! What a waste of scoreboard space.

I have a couple of fantasy teams and I have no interest in seeing stats when scores could be up. I can check the stats when I get home. I can't change my lineup at that point anyway so how they are doing is unimportant.

[middleriverterp]

This is a great upgrade, especially at 4pm or Night games. I remember they threw the Cowboys/Steelers game up on the big screen before the start of our game a couple of years ago. I think the Ravens Brass is smart enough to show RZ when it doesn't interfere with the product on the field.

[Galen Sevinne]

I still think it's a mistake to think people don't want that, though. There are some that are fine without it. There are others that prefer to have that option. I don't think they'll be broadcasting RZ in favor of us when the game is going on. I certainly doubt it'd be done across every tv in the stadium. Why shut out half the audience when you can appease basically everyone? I think it's frankly a bit self-centered to think that it shouldn't be done simply because a few purists don't want it. I don't have a problem with the "we don't need it" attitude...I have that attitude in a lot of things. But I also know different strokes for different folks...it simply makes sense to try to ensure everyone gets everything they want.

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I don't think my stance is necessarily against it...its more about not being excited about watching other games while I am watching the Ravens live. Its not an "upgrade" that I necessarily feel like I need or want. I think the NFL risks overexposing themselves with their product if they are on 4 nights a week, showing redzone plays at live games etc.

As a fan, I am about as hyped as I can get as an individual walking into M&T on Sundays. I see people around me pullng out thier fantasy sheets, spread sheets, pool sheets, betting sheets etc and are constantly glued into those things all game long and in my opinion, I think they miss out on a certain flow of the game. There is a guy behin me that is constantly asking me what just happened...watch the game bro! Put your cell phone away...stop texting the whole time OR don't ask me any questions or stay home with the game on and a laptop.

[jonboy79]

One "improvement" which will, in my opinion, become a step backwards will be adding the NFL Red Zone to the video boards. :thumbdown: The NFL is trying to push its product on the home town fans, who are Ravens-centric, not the Red Zone watchers, who are primarily the casual fans watching the game of the week on TV, or the fantasy football players. Unless the Red Zone is limited to halftime (which might make the band haters happy!) or some long TV time outs, it will cut into some of the replays of the Ravens home game.

Better for the fans would be to provide an auxiliary scoreboard continually showing NFL scores (without all the so-what stats of other teams' players currently shown under the video boards)

Here is a simple one....

How 'bout they put the down and distance somewhere bigger and more visual.... I hate having to look over there constantly to see "how to watch" the next play.

[purplepoe]

There are plenty of auxiliary scoreboards, but the Ravens show commercials continually on them.

Instead of scrolling through scores how about scoreboards that always have the scores (nothing else) up of ongoing games. AND PLEASE STOP SHOWING ME GAMES THAT HAVE NOT STARTED OR THAT WERE PLAYED 3 DAYS AGO! What a waste of scoreboard space.



I completely agree with this.

Whoever is in charge of the out of town scores is clueless.

PP

[psuasskicker]

I have a couple of fantasy teams and I have no interest in seeing stats when scores could be up. I can check the stats when I get home. I can't change my lineup at that point anyway so how they are doing is unimportant.

Yeah, but the same argument could be made with out of town scores. I'm the exact opposite...I'd rather see how my FFL guys are doing than know what the other scores in the league are, cause I can look them up and watch the replays of what happened when I get home. I wanna know how my team is doing on the spot.

And fwiw, I'm connected enough to be able to do something about my FFL team at the stadium. (Counter to my own argument: If you can do something about it, you can look up how they're doing on your mobile.)

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