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Galen Sevinne
06-10-2010, 11:38 PM
Isn't it great that Big Oil and their lobbies were so effective in confusing so many people about climate change? I mean, as a result BP and their compatriots were able to avoid what should now be years of anti-carbon fuel outrage in this country. Subsequently, oil created the environment that would shed any kind of governmental regulation that could have prevented this unprecedented disaster. Allowing essentially the oil companies to write the energy policy of this country to the point where "Drill Baby Drill" was a rallying cry of entire political party should be simply unfathomable at this point.
Its still blows my mind that so many in this country are so easily taken by the ruse that profit/greed motives should trump regulations designed to protect individual wealth, health and environment. So in effect, Wall Street has decimated the housing market, profit driven insurance companies have negatively effected healthcare and now oil has ruined the Gulf of Mexico...not to mention so much of other parts of the environment.
And I still hear people complaining that the government is too large. I kid you not. Turn on Fox News...they are still complaining about government being the problem. Government.
AirFlacco
06-11-2010, 06:38 AM
Isn't great after 60 spillion gallons of oil later, OBY is finally doing something
about it. And obviously the gov't is not big enough. OBY is finally about to meet with the head of
BP. Before that he was too busy playing basket ball at Ft McNair and predicting the Lakers would win
the NBA playoffs. No comments on the oil spill.
He obviously read Gallups polls showing him at a new low.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
He's finally meeting with the head of BP. Not even a phone call til now.
If W deserves blame for Katrina, Oby certainly deserves blame for this.
And get this. These comments are in his speech in Pissburgh just
recently.
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Obama has extended a moratorium on wells in deep water like the BP one that blew out in
April and is gushing millions of gallons of oil. But the president quietly lifted a brief ban last
week on drilling in shallow water.
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See Pissburgh thread where nobody shows up.
http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/202066/after_obama_lifts__ban,_feds_approve_new_oil_well_in_gulf_of_mexico_today/
Yup Galen - OBY is definitely in bed with the Corporations.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100610/pl_afp/usoilenvironmentpollutionbpchairman
HEY GALEN - MY NEW CAR ON A GOV'T PENSION.
TSK, TSK.
YUP, THE GOV'T IS TOO BIG!
LOL
Galen Sevinne
06-11-2010, 10:21 AM
I am glad the government has taken such good care of you Trap. Its ironic how its the most liberal member of the this board who is fully self-employed relying on the government for only infrastructure needs.
I also find it pleasantly ammusing when I hear any conservative, GOP, Tea Bagger etc. cry that Obama isn't doing enough or the oil spill. I wonder where in their little pocket constituion is says it is executive repsonsibilty to clean up after private industry fucks things up? I thought the consumer would just stop buying their product and that would fix all the problems in the world??? LOL
Funny how those idealistic libertarian - small government ideas really consistently fail time after time. Isn't it? Surely you guys see your hypocrisy now? If you even think this is Obama's responsibilty or fault, your whole ideological foundation of thought crumbles.
As soon as you think Obama or government is responsible for fixing the oil spill you must then logically also conclude Obama/government is also responsible to fix the failing health insurance industry and failing financial industry. At that point you support government regulations since and ounce of preventionn equals a pound of cure. You just can't make a point against that logic.
Its still blows my mind that so many in this country are so easily taken by the ruse that profit/greed motives should trump regulations designed to protect individual wealth, health and environment.
The champion of man-made global warming is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. The guy has made billions selling carbon credits while having several homes that use 10 times the energy (carbon) your average American home does, all the while jetting around the world in a carbon spewing private jet.
Nothing we currently have techonologically is close to producing the power we get from carbon fuels per dollar. If there were somebody would be selling it.
We should continue to drill off-shore, but instead of pushing the rigs out to 5000 feet of deep water WHICH WAS DONE BY THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS we should be drilling in much shallower water where divers could address such issues.
We have decades worth of oil in tar sands, which should be working on extracting that inexpensively, building nuclear plants and burning coal (which we have in greater amounts than Saudi Arabia has in oil) cleanly and using solar and wind where possible (but not off the coast of places where rich liberals live, like the Kennedys, even though they can't see them).
When you call out the lefty hypocrites I will consider your takes, until then you are a partisan hack.
AirFlacco
06-11-2010, 07:43 PM
I am glad the government has taken such good care of you Trap. Its ironic how its the most liberal member of the this board who is fully self-employed relying on the government for only infrastructure needs.
Not really Galen. Again, you mix apples and oranges. I worked for my money, just like Reagan and Nixon did as the highest paid workers in the gov't and they got a gov't pension (including health plans if they wanted them) too and were even more conservative than me and Reagan promised to cut the gov't. And as I posted before, the fathers knew the country needed a federal gov't but still needed civilians to run it. That's people like me.
They intended to keep it separate from the states and let the states levy taxes and what not, something
you still don't understand for not reading history.
The gov't also paid me when they drafted me and I made myself available to
die for it and I stayed in it as a civilian. I described my work on other threads and I how
contributed to make the drinking water safe in Bagdad even before the Army arrived.
That is some important stuff Galen.
I am depending on it for soc sec now but it will take me 8-9 years to get
back what the gov't made me pay into it. I could have made more
investing it and once again, I will lose the great plan I have now and be
forced to take medi care in 3 years.
I also find it pleasantly ammusing when I hear any conservative, GOP, Tea Bagger etc. cry that Obama isn't doing enough or the oil spill.
Galen - You spelled amusing wrong. You must be really upset-lol but
how about when you blamed W for Katrina and if you read the link above, even OBY
said accidents happen when you drill 5 miles deep. The same thing happens
on land. It's a risk but OBY approved it by lifting the ban and just approved
for another oil rig to be built in shallow waters.
Funny how those idealistic libertarian - small government ideas really consistently fail time after time. Isn't it? Surely you guys see your hypocrisy now? If you even think this is Obama's responsibilty or fault, your whole ideological foundation of thought crumbles.
He played basketball instead of meeting with the head of BP which is finally
doing. Can't have it both ways bud.
As soon as you think Obama or government is responsible for fixing the oil spill you must then logically also conclude Obama/government is also responsible to fix the failing health insurance industry and failing financial industry. At that point you support government regulations since and ounce of preventionn equals a pound of cure. You just can't make a point against that logic.
Hey man - Obama is meeting with BP now to fix the oil spill, after 60 spillion
gallons of lost oil. I touched a nerve.
Oh yea, and one other thing, this oil spill is nothing compared to what OBY is gonna suffer with
Sestak, which could be bigger than Watergate because he broke the law, just like Nixon at
Watergate.
You've got a genuine violation of the law here, and you've got a cover-up going on, and, you know, it
was all about Specter. OBY gets Specter to change parties, and then Specter changes parties so he can get
reelected because he's gonna lose as a Republican. And then Sestak gums up the works (paraphrasing),
"You know what, I'm going to run against Specter in the primary," so Obama says, "No, you're not. I'm going
to make you secretary of the Navy," that's one of the rumors. Or "I'm going to put you on some presidential
advisory board," and Sestak blows cover by saying, "They offered me a job," and then he shut up and the
White House wouldn't say anything about it.
And you know Sesta shut up when OBYs hit man Emanuel got his goons on him, just like he did those
60 DEMs that tied up Obama care for months.
And one last thing. You keep blasting corporate America while you are a corporation yourself if
you're self employed. You may be small business but you are business. You provide a service
for your clients and they pay accordingly.
That's a business Galen - as small as it might be. You are corporate America. So don't ever accuse
anyone of hypocrissy again. LOL
I also find it pleasantly ammusing when I hear any conservative, GOP, Tea Bagger etc. cry that Obama isn't doing enough or the oil spill. I wonder where in their little pocket constituion is says it is executive repsonsibilty to clean up after private industry fucks things up? I thought the consumer would just stop buying their product and that would fix all the problems in the world??? LOL
If you'd get off your knees in front of Barry Hussein for a minute you'd know that he has a duty to act under the Oil Protection Act, amended Section 311 of the federal Clean Water Act.
Section 311 specifies that: (A) If a discharge, or a substantial threat of a discharge, of oil or a hazardous substance from a vessel, offshore facility, or onshore facility is of such a size or character as to be a substantial threat to the public health or welfare of the United States (including but not limited to fish, shellfish, wildlife, other natural resources, and the public and private beaches and shorelines of the United States), the President shall direct all Federal, State, and private actions to remove the discharge or to mitigate or prevent the threat of the discharge
What now, Galen? Dereliction of duty is what I see. Can't you see how unqualified he is to be POTUS?
Funny how those idealistic libertarian - small government ideas really consistently fail time after time. Isn't it? Surely you guys see your hypocrisy now? If you even think this is Obama's responsibilty or fault, your whole ideological foundation of thought crumbles.
Kinda like the housing crash was Bush's fault, right?
As soon as you think Obama or government is responsible for fixing the oil spill you must then logically also conclude Obama/government is also responsible to fix the failing health insurance industry and failing financial industry. At that point you support government regulations since and ounce of preventionn equals a pound of cure. You just can't make a point against that logic.
The health insurance industry isn't failing. The Feds need to reign in Fannie/Freddie (which Bush wanted to do on numerous occasions) but alas, 0bama/Congress just removed the caps on their funding....
The champion of man-made global warming is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. The guy has made billions selling carbon credits while having several homes that use 10 times the energy (carbon) your average American home does, all the while jetting around the world in a carbon spewing private jet.
Nothing we currently have techonologically is close to producing the power we get from carbon fuels per dollar. If there were somebody would be selling it.
We should continue to drill off-shore, but instead of pushing the rigs out to 5000 feet of deep water WHICH WAS DONE BY THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS we should be drilling in much shallower water where divers could address such issues.
We have decades worth of oil in tar sands, which should be working on extracting that inexpensively, building nuclear plants and burning coal (which we have in greater amounts than Saudi Arabia has in oil) cleanly and using solar and wind where possible (but not off the coast of places where rich liberals live, like the Kennedys, even though they can't see them).
When you call out the lefty hypocrites I will consider your takes, until then you are a partisan hack.
:iagree:
I'd like to add: open drilling in ANWR where if there was an accident, it would be easier to deal with than what we've got going on now at 5000ft below sea level....
AirFlacco
06-13-2010, 07:22 PM
As soon as you think Obama or government is responsible for fixing the oil spill you must then logically also conclude Obama/government is also responsible to fix the failing health insurance industry and failing financial industry. At that point you support government regulations since and ounce of preventionn equals a pound of cure. You just can't make a point against that logic.
This explains why OBY is finally doing something.
Oh, Galen - there was nothing wrong with the insurance industry until now that the
gov't owns every premium in the country. That's
why 70% of the country was vs health care reform and why DEMs are
losing all those seats. We had the best system in the world.
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Why the shift? The White House is beginning to realize that the political fallout of the oil spill is very real -- and holding office for a year and a half makes it harder to blame the previous administration for evident shortcomings.
Just as the president and his top aides didn't fully grasp the scale of environmental fallout, they didn't comprehend the degree to which the response to the incident has evolved into a test of presidential leadership.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/world-news-political-insights-president-obama-seeks-control/story?id=10903945
Galen Sevinne
06-14-2010, 02:18 PM
The only two people out there to even suggest that environmentalists caused the oil spill are Palin and Rush. Good compnay you guys find yourselves in :thumbup:
Don't get angry at corporate America there connies as they continue to punk Americans. This oil spill is such a blantant corporate screw job of the American public that only Palin and Rush lacked enough credibility try to push something so stupid.
One could only expect board members here to step in that line so easily. :187734:
AirFlacco
06-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Is that the best you can come up with to my smack on OBY? You take off on Rush? He's not the Prez.
As usual Galen, no link especially in this case where you don't use the entire context
but here's one and just googgle for the rest.
You gotta admit, it was a rather coy and damn funny statement.
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"What better way to head off more oil drilling, nuclear plants, than by blowing up a rig?"
he rhetorically asked. "I'm just, I'm just noting the timing here."
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Just noting the timing Galen, just noting the timing but speaking of timing, I'm sure you
don't know this but:
The last major blow-out like this was in 1969, over 40 years ago. This one occurred immediately after Obama
approved new offshore oil drilling, in the context of hysterical propaganda about global warming, pollution, etc.
Quite a coincidence.
And Eco-terrorists have previously resorted to tactics that killed and injured people. After all, if you really believe
that oil is going to kill millions of people, what’s a few lives and some temporary damage in the big scheme of things?
A conspiracy theory from Rush isn't nearly as bad as OBY talking about the
NBA playoffs instead of the disaster and just meeting with BP about it.
Oh Galen, you didn't answer Greg's post on the MISS USA thread and did you know that
William Randolph Hearst blew up the Maine. LOL
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0429/rush-limbaugh-hints-oil-rig-explosion-environmental-terrorism/
Galen Sevinne
06-15-2010, 09:48 AM
A conspiracy theory from Rush isn't nearly as bad as OBY talking about the
NBA playoffs instead of the disaster and just meeting with BP about it.
Or Bush asking how his golf swing looks.
Rush Limbaugh is one giant conspiracy theory...the shame is that there are people, as evidenced by the connies on this board, that actually believe it to be true.
AirFlacco
06-15-2010, 11:58 AM
Or Bush asking how his golf swing looks.
Rush Limbaugh is one giant conspiracy theory...the shame is that there are people, as evidenced by the connies on this board, that actually believe it to be true.
Once again you get your facts wrong.
Nobody on this board said they believed it.
Someone just explained why he said it after you failed to explain
the entire context of it because it made your whacko
cronies look bad like when they took credit for arson at a rich resort in
Colorado. They've been doing this for last 22 years so it's not as far fetched
as you think and Congress has passed legislation to combat it.
*** the Earth Liberation Front set fire to a genetic research center under construction at the
University of Minnesota, causing $630,000 damage.
***Last month, a federal judge in Phoenix sentenced Mark Sands to 18 years in prison for torching
seven luxury homes under construction. Sands wanted to halt development near protected desert.
***PETA paid the legal fees of Roger Troen of Portland, who in 1986 helped steal lab animals from the
University of Oregon, and Rod Coronado, who in 1991 launched a multistate arson campaign against the
fur industry.
***On March 4, Ron Arnold, executive vice president of Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, filed a
formal complaint against PETA with the Internal Revenue Service. Arnold, whose organization is based in
Bellevue, Wash., complained that public records show PETA donated $1,500 to the Earth Liberation Front press
office two years ago.
***And this from the FBI:
During the past several years, special interest extremism, as characterized by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), has emerged as a serious terrorist threat. Generally, extremist groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action. The FBI estimates that the ALF/ELF have committed more than 600 criminal acts in the United States since 1996, resulting in damages in excess of 43 million dollars.
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm
http://www.ecoterrorist.net/
There is plenty of evidence and history here showing the whackos are capable of blowing up a rig. Not saying
they did, just saying they have blown things up before costing millions in damages.
Oh and Galen - W wasn't off playing golf during the Katrina disaster, maybe during an armed conflict between
Israel and the PLO but that takes place every day.
Check Mate!
If this was a court of law and I was the prosecutor and you were the defense attorney your whackos would
be on death row now.
The only two people out there to even suggest that environmentalists caused the oil spill are Palin and Rush. Good compnay you guys find yourselves in :thumbup:
Don't get angry at corporate America there connies as they continue to punk Americans. This oil spill is such a blantant corporate screw job of the American public that only Palin and Rush lacked enough credibility try to push something so stupid.
One could only expect board members here to step in that line so easily. :187734:
I didn't say they caused the spill. If you think I did we need to find your 2nd grade English teacher and fire her because your comprehension is horrid. The spill was accident, but THE INABILITY TO STOP IT IS THE FAULT OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS! If this were in 200 feet of water it would have stopped it in days.
And you calling other people here partisan hacks puts you in the same hypocritical Gulfstream V Gore is jetting about in.