Here Galen, just for you!

[4G63]

You always talk about Racism and all the terrible racist, conservative, white guys on here so I'd like to get your "spin" on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xCeItxbQY&feature=player_embedded


So, should she be fired for deliberately NOT helping someone based on skin color? What if she was white and said it in front of a group of whites? Does the NAACP endorse this type of behavior since this took place at an NAACP dinner? Will this make the mainstream media?


These are but a few of the questions I'd like your honest assessment of.


Inquiring minds wanna know!

[xmradiodave]

I normally sit back and read this forum. I am quite conservative. I was in the Marine Corps, and am a registered, card carrying GOP supporter. She should not have been fired. This was a knee-jerk reaction by the Obama administration in okaying the termination. She is telling a story that happened over twenty years ago, long before she held the position she was so recently booted from. In its complete context, she goes on to explain that it was this moral conundrum that helped her overcome her own racial prejudices. The very farmer that she is talking about has come to her corner to defend her.

Twenty years ago, she should have been fired had she made the comments that she did not want to help the white farmer. Today, using that story as inspiration, she should absolutely not have been fired.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38333900#38333900

[4G63]

When has context ever mattered to Liberals? Ask Trent Lott.

Andrew Breitbart played them for fools.

[xmradiodave]

When has context ever mattered to Liberals? Ask Trent Lott.

Andrew Breitbart played them for fools.

I know what you mean. I just call it as I see it. I know the argument "if this was a white person who said it about..." will come up. So I will cut it off at the pass. It simply does not matter. There are injustices in this world on both sides of the "racial coin". It will continue for as long as the globe is spinning. I am just as critical when I see a white person fired unjustly. The point remains. She should not have been fired. It is wrong and this will do nothing but further divide races.

[Galen Sevinne]

Inquiring minds wanna know!

I was actually ignoring this because this is yet another example of how the racist element - notice no "broad stroke here - of the conservative movement in this country will cut, edit and shape a message that folks like yourself, 4G, simply buy hook, line and sinker. Of course G7 pointing this out would only have been met with more "brilliant" pats on the back OR claims of actually being "sarcastic" and not just stupid. In this case, it restores hope that a self-professed conservative corrected you this time.

Feel free to watch the unedited version of the video which has lead the NAACP to report they have been "snookered" by Breibart, the Tea Party and Fox Noise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk&feature=player_embedded


The biggest problem in this story is that the White House felt a need to cater to the right and avoid another confrontation over the racism with the Right instead of calling out Breitbart and his use of a highly edited video clip. Hopefully the White House comes out tomorrow and makes a similar statment as the NAACP so the nation can begin to understand better the process of conservative propaganda and how many people buy it so easily.


At this point I see it the NAACP 2 - Tea Party 0. Notice how the Tea Party "ousted" the Neanderthal Mark Williams (for being a racist), one of the Tea Party leaders for his letter to Abe Lincoln. The NAACP asked that racist elements of the Tea Party be outed and that the Tea PArty distance itself from these elements. Its amazing that a racist like Williams is unable to shut his trap and move on but instead, he does what he did and makes an ass out of himself. He just got tooled by the NAACP and you know that is eating at his ass right now. Too funnny.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/mark-williams/

Now I also look forward to Fox Noise making their rounds of apologies tomorrow for jumping on the racist train with Breibart and spending the whole day talking about the NAACP's racism when it fact they just continue to use edited versions of life to scare the vulnerable.

[NCRAVEN]

I was actually ignoring this because this is yet another example of how the racist element - notice no "broad stroke here - of the conservative movement in this country will cut, edit and shape a message that folks like yourself, 4G, simply buy hook, line and sinker. Of course G7 pointing this out would only have been met with more "brilliant" pats on the back OR claims of actually being "sarcastic" and not just stupid. In this case, it restores hope that a self-professed conservative corrected you this time.

Feel free to watch the unedited version of the video which has lead the NAACP to report they have been "snookered" by Breibart, the Tea Party and Fox Noise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk&feature=player_embedded


The biggest problem in this story is that the White House felt a need to cater to the right and avoid another confrontation over the racism with the Right instead of calling out Breitbart and his use of a highly edited video clip. Hopefully the White House comes out tomorrow and makes a similar statment as the NAACP so the nation can begin to understand better the process of conservative propaganda and how many people buy it so easily.


At this point I see it the NAACP 2 - Tea Party 0. Notice how the Tea Party "ousted" the Neanderthal Mark Williams (for being a racist), one of the Tea Party leaders for his letter to Abe Lincoln. The NAACP asked that racist elements of the Tea Party be outed and that the Tea PArty distance itself from these elements. Its amazing that a racist like Williams is unable to shut his trap and move on but instead, he does what he did and makes an ass out of himself. He just got tooled by the NAACP and you know that is eating at his ass right now. Too funnny.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/mark-williams/

Now I also look forward to Fox Noise making their rounds of apologies tomorrow for jumping on the racist train with Breibart and spending the whole day talking about the NAACP's racism when it fact they just continue to use edited versions of life to scare the vulnerable.

Hate to break it to you Galen but Fox did not report on that story AT ALL until AFTER she was forced to resign.

[Galen Sevinne]

Hate to break it to you Galen but Fox did not report on that story AT ALL until AFTER she was forced to resign.

uhhh? and that makes it all okay? Regardless of when Fox stared to report it it is still a joke of a story that conservatives jumped all over with no research into what really happened.

Another conservative frame job. Seriously, doesn't this stuff ever...ever piss you guys off???? I mean...whatever. You defend anything and everything.

[NCRAVEN]

uhhh? and that makes it all okay? Regardless of when Fox stared to report it it is still a joke of a story that conservatives jumped all over with no research into what really happened.

Another conservative frame job. Seriously, doesn't this stuff ever...ever piss you guys off???? I mean...whatever. You defend anything and everything.

Read my other post about how you ignore facts put words in peoples mouth and change the subject.

I said nothing about it being okay. I just pointed out that while you consistently say "Fox is the Devil, Bobby Boucher" you were wrong about this one. And I didn't defend anything.

Does this piss me off, sure. But no more than anything the other new outlets or something like this does: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/

Does that story piss you off???

[4G63]

I was actually ignoring this because this is yet another example of how the racist element - notice no "broad stroke here - of the conservative movement in this country will cut, edit and shape a message that folks like yourself, 4G, simply buy hook, line and sinker. Of course G7 pointing this out would only have been met with more "brilliant" pats on the back OR claims of actually being "sarcastic" and not just stupid. In this case, it restores hope that a self-professed conservative corrected you this time.

Feel free to watch the unedited version of the video which has lead the NAACP to report they have been "snookered" by Breibart, the Tea Party and Fox Noise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk&feature=player_embedded


The biggest problem in this story is that the White House felt a need to cater to the right and avoid another confrontation over the racism with the Right instead of calling out Breitbart and his use of a highly edited video clip. Hopefully the White House comes out tomorrow and makes a similar statment as the NAACP so the nation can begin to understand better the process of conservative propaganda and how many people buy it so easily.


At this point I see it the NAACP 2 - Tea Party 0. Notice how the Tea Party "ousted" the Neanderthal Mark Williams (for being a racist), one of the Tea Party leaders for his letter to Abe Lincoln. The NAACP asked that racist elements of the Tea Party be outed and that the Tea PArty distance itself from these elements. Its amazing that a racist like Williams is unable to shut his trap and move on but instead, he does what he did and makes an ass out of himself. He just got tooled by the NAACP and you know that is eating at his ass right now. Too funnny.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/mark-williams/

Now I also look forward to Fox Noise making their rounds of apologies tomorrow for jumping on the racist train with Breibart and spending the whole day talking about the NAACP's racism when it fact they just continue to use edited versions of life to scare the vulnerable.

Child please!!

Glenn Beck (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/20/naacp-and-glenn-beck-agree-people-rushed-to-judgment-on-sherrod/), of all people, came to her defense today on his show. He pointed out the context of the situation is important to the narrative. Whenever you see a video of something or read a short quote from anyone, the context of that comment needs to be mentioned. It never happens from any left-leaning source, hence my Trent Lott comment above or the Black gentlemen at the TEA party carrying an AR-15.

If the NAACP had the whole video, why did they rush to judgement on Mrs Sherrod and agree with her resignation? (http://biggovernment.com/jdunetz/2010/07/20/naacp-blames-fox-and-breitbart-for-the-naacps-overreaction-to-shirley-sherrod-video/) Is this the same as the comment from Obama that the police that arrested his buddy Willam Gates "acted stupidly" when he didn't have all the info? They jumped the gun.

By the way, when she made the comment about "sending him to his own people, a white lawyer" doesn't need context; it was a racist comment.

I saw this comment on another blog and I think its 100% correct so I'll cherry-pick it: "What this whole episode shows is that the race card is the most overplayed and misabused political ploy in America"

[4G63]

I know what you mean. I just call it as I see it. I know the argument "if this was a white person who said it about..." will come up. So I will cut it off at the pass. It simply does not matter. There are injustices in this world on both sides of the "racial coin". It will continue for as long as the globe is spinning. I am just as critical when I see a white person fired unjustly. The point remains. She should not have been fired. It is wrong and this will do nothing but further divide races.


I'll add that if there is one good thing about this situation is that maybe it'll open some eyes and minds to see that when someone comments on something that the whole situation is provided, hence adding context to the given comment.

The left, hopefully, can learn from this because Andrew Breitbart gave them a schooling on how rushing to judgment can have ill effects...

:patriot:

[NCRAVEN]

Child please!!



I saw this comment on another blog and I think its 100% correct so I'll cherry-pick it: "What this whole episode shows is that the race card is the most overplayed and misabused political ploy in America"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Frances_Berry
Professor of American Social Thought and History, U. Penn. :

"Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness."

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com...2010/07/berry-blog.jpg

Need anymore be said???

[xmradiodave]

uhhh? and that makes it all okay? Regardless of when Fox stared to report it it is still a joke of a story that conservatives jumped all over with no research into what really happened.

Another conservative frame job. Seriously, doesn't this stuff ever...ever piss you guys off???? I mean...whatever. You defend anything and everything.

Bullshit. It is a two way street Galen. You defend the liberal left ad nauseam, right or wrong. That is just the way politicallly heated discussions go. There is an unwaveiring loyalty on both sides. I am conservative right winger (not of TRAPS level :D) and if you read my post, you can clearly see that it pissed me off. I emphatically stand by the point that she should have never been fired, and that this was a knee-jerk reaction. This was such a non-issue that was blown up and ended up costing this woman her job.

Actually, it is a disservice to Shirley Sherrod to call it a non-issue. She was making a point that racism does go both ways and that she was guilty of passing judgement on a white farmer. She went on to express her remorse and explained that she realised how flawed her thinking was. It is a story that this whole country should take to heart. We can not overcome racism until we all acknowledge our own faults.

Looking at the "fox-edit" of the video, and I call it that for generic purposes, in no way did her comments strike me as racist, even when it cut off before she clarified what her point was. There was no hatred or venom in her voice and she was addressing a mixed crowd. You have to ask yourself "would she be that careless and cavalier with racist comments in a day and age with instant media such as youtube?" I find it hard to believe that the answer would be yes (with the exception of Mr. Mel Gibson of course).

It is a damn shame that she has been painted as a racist, and will now carry that burden thanks to the carelessness of the media and every asshole with a blog. A woman who has made a great career out of helping people of all races will now be looked at as a racist, even though there is clear proof that her comments were taken out of context in the most traditional sense. Should she be given her job back? YES! She should never have been forced to resign over a story she told about an event that took place over twenty years ago.

There is so much blame to go around on both the liberal and conservative side. This whole debacle could have been shot down so fast had ANYONE taken two minutes or less to watch the whole unedited story she told.

[xmradiodave]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Frances_Berry
Professor of American Social Thought and History, U. Penn. :

"Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness."

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com...2010/07/berry-blog.jpg

Need anymore be said???

Everyone's a Little Bit Racist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzv6JSm-No&feature=related)

[4G63]

Bullshit. It is a two way street Galen. You defend the liberal left ad nauseam, right or wrong. That is just the way politicallly heated discussions go. There is an unwaveiring loyalty on both sides. I am conservative right winger (not of TRAPS level :D) and if you read my post, you can clearly see that it pissed me off. I emphatically stand by the point that she should have never been fired, and that this was a knee-jerk reaction. This was such a non-issue that was blown up and ended up costing this woman her job.

Actually, it is a disservice to Shirley Sherrod to call it a non-issue. She was making a point that racism does go both ways and that she was guilty of passing judgement on a white farmer. She went on to express her remorse and explained that she realised how flawed her thinking was. It is a story that this whole country should take to heart. We can not overcome racism until we all acknowledge our own faults.

Looking at the "fox-edit" of the video, and I call it that for generic purposes, in no way did her comments strike me as racist, even when it cut off before she clarified what her point was. There was no hatred or venom in her voice and she was addressing a mixed crowd. You have to ask yourself "would she be that careless and cavalier with racist comments in a day and age with instant media such as youtube?" I find it hard to believe that the answer would be yes (with the exception of Mr. Mel Gibson of course).

It is a damn shame that she has been painted as a racist, and will now carry that burden thanks to the carelessness of the media and every asshole with a blog. A woman who has made a great career out of helping people of all races will now be looked at as a racist, even though there is clear proof that her comments were taken out of context in the most traditional sense. Should she be given her job back? YES! She should never have been forced to resign over a story she told about an event that took place over twenty years ago.

There is so much blame to go around on both the liberal and conservative side. This whole debacle could have been shot down so fast had ANYONE taken two minutes or less to watch the whole unedited story she told.

You should read this: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Shirley-Sherrods-Disappearing-Act-Not-So-Fast-98846149.html

[4G63]

Weird double post!

[NCRAVEN]

You should read this: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Shirley-Sherrods-Disappearing-Act-Not-So-Fast-98846149.html

Great article, finally a little bit of investigative journalism.

[AirFlacco]

Galen can refer her to some of the druggies he counsels just so long as they're black.
Im sure she'll get them off.


:laugh:

[4G63]

Galen can refer her to some of the druggies he counsels just so long as they're black.
Im sure she'll get them off.


:laugh:

Honestly Trap, I don't think this adds much to the conversation. While we may gang up on his political idiology and call his Liberalism out it doesn't make his working with drug addicts a joke. If he helps them recover in any way then he's done a good service in my book.

[AirFlacco]

But he can laugh at drug crazed maniacs beating up citizens at voting
places and is he helping anyone by spending so much time in here? Real shrinks
don't have time for this.

And you used a thread title to call him out.

Sorry but I stand by the joke.

[Galen Sevinne]

But he can laugh at drug crazed maniacs beating up citizens at voting
places.

Sorry but I stand by the joke.

Assumptions of Trap;

1. Drug Crazed,
2. Maniacs,
3. Beat up citizens

I wonder why Trap makes these assumptions?

I guess this now infamous Tea Bagger guy is also drug crazed, manaic that beats up citizens right?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/08/17/obama.protest.rifle/art.obama.gun.pool.jpg

I mean let's look at him. He is carrying a gun and is black...not much different than the other descriptors of the other gentlemen Trap pointed out as drug crazed maniacs that beat up citizens. Right? I mean these other gentlemen were black and one has a night stick so they are drug crazed maniacs that beat up citizens in Trap's world.

I wonder if Trap sees these people as drug crazed maniacs that beat up citizens;

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3442560990_43ebea3c6e.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/2595762333_1e403f0114.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3145797238_401a05ec35.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/1812452547_0abce06635.jpg

Yeah...I imagine many know where I am going with this as it has been the conversation of the week. But G, they are white. Nicely said, I think Trap has a prejudgement problem. Notice no name calling. ;)

[Galen Sevinne]

Bullshit. It is a two way street Galen. You defend the liberal left ad nauseam, right or wrong. That is just the way politicallly heated discussions go. There is an unwaveiring loyalty on both sides. I am conservative right winger (not of TRAPS level :D) and if you read my post, you can clearly see that it pissed me off. I emphatically stand by the point that she should have never been fired, and that this was a knee-jerk reaction. This was such a non-issue that was blown up and ended up costing this woman her job.

Actually, it is a disservice to Shirley Sherrod to call it a non-issue. She was making a point that racism does go both ways and that she was guilty of passing judgement on a white farmer. She went on to express her remorse and explained that she realised how flawed her thinking was. It is a story that this whole country should take to heart. We can not overcome racism until we all acknowledge our own faults.

Looking at the "fox-edit" of the video, and I call it that for generic purposes, in no way did her comments strike me as racist, even when it cut off before she clarified what her point was. There was no hatred or venom in her voice and she was addressing a mixed crowd. You have to ask yourself "would she be that careless and cavalier with racist comments in a day and age with instant media such as youtube?" I find it hard to believe that the answer would be yes (with the exception of Mr. Mel Gibson of course).

It is a damn shame that she has been painted as a racist, and will now carry that burden thanks to the carelessness of the media and every asshole with a blog. A woman who has made a great career out of helping people of all races will now be looked at as a racist, even though there is clear proof that her comments were taken out of context in the most traditional sense. Should she be given her job back? YES! She should never have been forced to resign over a story she told about an event that took place over twenty years ago.

There is so much blame to go around on both the liberal and conservative side. This whole debacle could have been shot down so fast had ANYONE taken two minutes or less to watch the whole unedited story she told.

At least the left or the NAACP, Vilsack and the White House has issued formal apologies. What has the Right done? Shrugged off any responsibility by making THE issue about Obama jumping to conculsions. Really? even on this board conservatives, except yourself, still can't admit they were wrong but instead are still trying to find ways to make it either a racial issue for the left or just a problem with the left.

This debate on this board about racism has gone on for a week now and the two main issues; 1. the NAACP calling on the Tea Party to "Refudiate" (gotta love that Palin-speak) the racist elements of the Tea Party - which the Tea Party showed the integrity to actually do by ousting Williams and 2. the fake conservative claim of racism to counteract the NAACP via the Sherrod edited video have just given credence to my claims.

Anyone denying this loses all credibility in my eyes at this point regarding this issue. A far as the question of racism, the conservatives just took two huge blows and the libs, while enabling and missing a big opportunity to be in the right completely still have no racist stain on their record from these two events.

Since living abroad in several countries for several years where I was the minority and know what that feels like, I always speak out and will continue to speak out against racism. Sorry if you see that as "bull shit". Connies lose big here and the sooner they can admit it and make amends, the sooner they will lose the reputation of being a bunch of backwards racists. Its up to them and this week has only exposed that even more.

Still waiting to see if the conservative mecca of propaganda Fox Noise steps up and makes an honest statement. Even Keith Olberman made a statement against the Left enabling this process with Sherrod. Fox still blaming the whole thing on Obama. Again at some point, don't you just think the right has to approach this whole thing a bit differently?

[AirFlacco]

Galen - I was talking about Black Panthers who are known as druggies who were taken off by cops in
in one vid and the union thug in the other.

Nobody in any of your pics is harrassing anybody and you definitely need some lessons in
internet cut and paste jobs for doctoring pics. That guy would have been arrested and sentenced
to 10 years for carrying an automatic weapon in public.

Now here are some more fakes of your favorite gal carrying a scoped rifle in a bikini.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charlotte-hilton-andersen/sarah-palin-bikini-pictur_b_123234.html


I enjoyed the lingerie show. Got any more.



Nice try but here is a run down on the drug crazed rapist who did time (he said raping a white women
delighted him) original co-founder of the Black Panthers who fled
the country and guess what? He became born again, came back and ran for office as a GOP.

Eldrige Cleaver.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/01/cleaver.late.obit/



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Black+Panthers

[NCRAVEN]

At least the left or the NAACP, Vilsack and the White House has issued formal apologies. What has the Right done? Shrugged off any responsibility by making THE issue about Obama jumping to conculsions. Really? even on this board conservatives, except yourself, still can't admit they were wrong but instead are still trying to find ways to make it either a racial issue for the left or just a problem with the left.

Yes the apologized but they were still wrong. The problem in my opinion is equal from Breitbart posting a edited video and BHO and Vilsack over reacting.

This debate on this board about racism has gone on for a week now and the two main issues; 1. the NAACP calling on the Tea Party to "Refudiate" (gotta love that Palin-speak) the racist elements of the Tea Party - which the Tea Party showed the integrity to actually do by ousting Williams and 2. the fake conservative claim of racism to counteract the NAACP via the Sherrod edited video have just given credence to my claims.

"The racist part of the video was not just what she was saying, which at the time of the story was racist she didn't help the guy as much as she could cause he was white. The racist part was the NAACP members in the crowd nodding in approval of her not helping him cause he was white.


Anyone denying this loses all credibility in my eyes at this point regarding this issue. A far as the question of racism, the conservatives just took two huge blows and the libs, while enabling and missing a big opportunity to be in the right completely still have no racist stain on their record from these two events.

Looking thru blue colored glasses much? Please tell me how Connies took two huge blows and libtards got off scott free

Since living abroad in several countries for several years where I was the minority and know what that feels like, I always speak out and will continue to speak out against racism. Sorry if you see that as "bull shit". Connies lose big here and the sooner they can admit it and make amends, the sooner they will lose the reputation of being a bunch of backwards racists. Its up to them and this week has only exposed that even more.

What the hell are you talking about? Backwards racist? Calling out racism as bullshit? Hello Earth! Are we talking about the same thread???.

Still waiting to see if the conservative mecca of propaganda Fox Noise steps up and makes an honest statement. Even Keith Olberman made a statement against the Left enabling this process with Sherrod. Fox still blaming the whole thing on Obama. Again at some point, don't you just think the right has to approach this whole thing a bit differently?

Again, what has Fox done wrong, they aired nothing on the story till she was forced to resign. And this is as much BHO's fault as anyone elses.



On another note, this is hilarious. http://www.olpinhoopes.com/web/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=39&id=300

[AirFlacco]

Tea Partiers are just the tip of the ice berg.


http://www.breitbart.tv/boehner-tea-parties-are-tip-of-the-iceberg/