All Time Low for OBY

[AirFlacco]

It's as low as you go or almost for OBY.

Voters now say the will vote for any un-named GOP candidate rather than
Obama in 2012.

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and American voters say by a narrow 39 - 36 percent margin that they would vote for an unnamed Republican rather than President Obama in 2012, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.
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These series of racial incidents is breaking the country up faster than
Madonna dropping her skirt as it keeps getting worse and worse for the
DEMs.

In fact, they are now considering extending Ws tax cuts past January to
get back all the Independents that voted for them but they're not buying
it knowing the DEMs will renege once voted back in and raise taxes.

Low as you go. Blow OBY blow.




http://www.hannity.com/article/obama-approval-drops-to-lowest-point-ever/11214

[Dade]

It's gonna take something huge for Obama to recover from these low poll numbers.

[jonboy79]

It's gonna take something huge for Obama to recover from these low poll numbers.

He's gonna pull the "weed" card, I'm telling you....

[NCRAVEN]

I don't even see him winning the nomination. I heard someone say this and it makes since. Hilliary will run against him cause for the most part none of what this admin has done can really stick to her.

[jonboy79]

It's funny, almost a year ago I posted asking if anyone thought Oby might miss out on the nomination as un-electable.

At this point, without a major turn-around, Hillary is more electable. It would be a wise Democratic choice to have her run instead, so we know it won't happen.

[AirFlacco]

JON - As I keep saying they're already pulling the race card and it's
blowing up in their faces. That's what all the NAACP and Sherrod affair
is about.

The is an orchestrated move by OBY to take the heat off the issues
suffocating him - health reform and freedom.

As I posted on the other thread, the tea party is just the tip of the
ice berg. Millions more will take to the streets by eleciton day.

Any of us could run vs OBY and win.

The country is divided, scared and pissed off as hell at all the DEMs including Hilly.

Where's Galen when you need him.

:laugh:

[Galen Sevinne]

JON - As I keep saying they're already pulling the race card and it's
blowing up in their faces. That's what all the NAACP and Sherrod affair
is about.

The is an orchestrated move by OBY to take the heat off the issues
suffocating him - health reform and freedom.

As I posted on the other thread, the tea party is just the tip of the
ice berg. Millions more will take to the streets by eleciton day.

Any of us could run vs OBY and win.

The country is divided, scared and pissed off as hell at all the DEMs including Hilly.

Where's Galen when you need him.

:laugh:

you guys are funny.

[AirFlacco]

This is what's funny.

Kerry said in the debate with W that he wanted to raise taxes for
the rich but it would only affect 3 people in this room: The President,
myself and you Mr. Moderator.

So here he is skipping town to dock his yacht in Rhode Island to skip the high 6
figure tax his home state would have charged for the same.

Then , like Galen, he is in denial. He denies doing it.

These people nuttier than a fruit cake.


http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1269698

[Dade]

He's gonna pull the "weed" card, I'm telling you....

:roll:

[xmradiodave]

He's gonna pull the "weed" card, I'm telling you....

You are a weedist. People, you can't deny it! Weedism in this country is out of control.

[jonboy79]

You are a weedist. People, you can't deny it! Weedism in this country is out of control.

I'm actually being 100% serious, and worse then that it worries me greatly because I think it would win him another 4 years. Legalization has become an absolute necessity for our economy. So thanks to his first term, we need the sollution he may provide to win him another term of spend, spend, spend... takeover, takeover, takeover... 8 years should destroy private idustry.

[xmradiodave]

I'm actually being 100% serious, and worse then that it worries me greatly because I think it would win him another 4 years. Legalization has become an absolute necessity for our economy. So thanks to his first term, we need the sollution he may provide to win him another term of spend, spend, spend... takeover, takeover, takeover... 8 years should destroy private idustry.


I actually agree with you. What was once thought of as a silly trump-card in politics is seriously gaining momentum. I am not sure that running for re-election on a "legalize it" platfrom is enough to secure a winning vote though.

[jonboy79]

It will absolutely draw out record numbers of young voters, again...

[AirFlacco]

That would no doubt help, but but like I said the tea party is just the tip of the ice
berg. Millions more are hitting the streets and are scared and angry and there's more
of them than younger people that vote not to mention all the independents thar are
pissed off at him.

Do you have any links where they are even considering it?

You are the first person to mention it and I thought you were joking.

This is a weedist country. I saw two cars pulled over yesterday in two
diff locations. There were three cop cars for each car and each car
had young people in them.

The cops were searching the cars and you knew what for.

Years ago APG had speakers come in about drugs and it was mandatory
for everyone on post.

One person asked the speaker about legalization of marijauna and a
thunderous roar of applause went up.

That showed me how many people were using it. When we got
back to the office I asked how many people around here do you think
use it.

Someone said at least half the agency is on weed.

There was a bad accident near here a couple of years ago. A driver
killed an entire family. He drove right into the back of there car and
didn't stop. He never saw them.

He was on weed and it was his second accident of the day. he had just
fled the scene of another one which was a fender bender.

They threw the book at him.

[xmradiodave]

It will absolutely draw out record numbers of young voters, again...

Perhaps. But the legalization of marijuana is not a free-for-all. It will be regulated just as strictly as alcohol. You will have to be 21 to purchase and use it. It will not have the same regulation as cigarettes, but will be taxed just as high. It will carry the same strict rules as alcohol and driving under the infulence. You will not be allowed to simply smoke some weed on a cigarette break at work, no more than you can crack open a bottle of jack Daniels and tie one on at work.

Those who want it legalized may not understand that the regulation of weed will not benefit them in any way. They will not be allowed to grow it in their yard or sell it out of an ice cream truck. They will not be able to go to 7-11 and buy a carton of rolled weed smokes.

Aside from the boon it will give to the "economy" (and by economy, I meen Government) with its tax, there is very little incentive in legalizing it. Just de-criminalize it.

[NCRAVEN]

Aside from the boon it will give to the "economy" (and by economy, I meen Government) with its tax, there is very little incentive in legalizing it. Just de-criminalize it.

:word

To each his own.

[Galen Sevinne]

Aside from the boon it will give to the "economy" (and by economy, I meen Government) with its tax, there is very little incentive in legalizing it. Just de-criminalize it.

While it would be an economic boon for the economy it would also devastate the criminal justice service. There is a whole "cannabis complex" like there is a "military industrial complex" that provides jobs in correctional centers, probation departments, attorneys, police officers, military etc. Marijuana is a a main ingredient of our criminal justice system and to legalize it would be costly in terms of jobs. This probably the only reason outside of the residual effects of the fear-based anti-marijuana campaign launched in the 50's for its prohibition.

I would imagine if it was legalized it would be highly regulated by the government, as it should be, but run privately so it would benefit economically more than just the government.

To have alcohol legal and marijuana illegal is one of the great inconsistencies in modern law. It will be legal or at least effectively dicriminalized within a decade especially if left up to the states.

To think Obama is going to relected because of his push to legalize marijuana is absurd. He will be relected because 1. The GOP has no one and the tea party mentality will continue to push conservativism off the right side of reality and 2. the economy will continue to slowly improve over the next 2 years, 3. Obama's assertive policy agenda with healthcare and financial reform will take another year to begin to make sense to those who have been tricked into thinking Obama is some kind of scary bogeyman.

Clinton did the same thing with his midterms. He blew them off, lost both houses and then went onto to win a second term and end with the highest presidential approval ratings at the end of a presidency in 50 -some years.

People can harp on Obama's 50/50 ratings but the ratings of the GOP is still lower, has shown no answers for anything and shows no potential for running a candidate that can bridge the realistic conservatives with the nutty conservatives.

There is a long time to go before the next presidential election. If Obama has withstood the conservative onslaught of bullshiit that has been thrown his way so far and still has as many approving as disapproving then he has shown remarkable resiliency.

[jonboy79]

Perhaps. But the legalization of marijuana is not a free-for-all. It will be regulated just as strictly as alcohol. You will have to be 21 to purchase and use it. It will not have the same regulation as cigarettes, but will be taxed just as high. It will carry the same strict rules as alcohol and driving under the infulence. You will not be allowed to simply smoke some weed on a cigarette break at work, no more than you can crack open a bottle of jack Daniels and tie one on at work.

Those who want it legalized may not understand that the regulation of weed will not benefit them in any way. They will not be allowed to grow it in their yard or sell it out of an ice cream truck. They will not be able to go to 7-11 and buy a carton of rolled weed smokes.

Aside from the boon it will give to the "economy" (and by economy, I meen Government) with its tax, there is very little incentive in legalizing it. Just de-criminalize it.

I'm absolutely speaking of the combination of taxation and reduced legal/prison/law enforcement... when talking abotu the economy these days you are really talking abotu the gov't... Not to mention some farmers can start producing profittable crops for once.

[jonboy79]

While it would be an economic boon for the economy it would also devastate the criminal justice service. There is a whole "cannabis complex" like there is a "military industrial complex" that provides jobs in correctional centers, probation departments, attorneys, police officers, military etc. Marijuana is a a main ingredient of our criminal justice system and to legalize it would be costly in terms of jobs. This probably the only reason outside of the residual effects of the fear-based anti-marijuana campaign launched in the 50's for its prohibition.

I would imagine if it was legalized it would be highly regulated by the government, as it should be, but run privately so it would benefit economically more than just the government.

To have alcohol legal and marijuana illegal is one of the great inconsistencies in modern law. It will be legal or at least effectively dicriminalized within a decade especially if left up to the states.

To think Obama is going to relected because of his push to legalize marijuana is absurd. He will be relected because 1. The GOP has no one and the tea party mentality will continue to push conservativism off the right side of reality and 2. the economy will continue to slowly improve over the next 2 years, 3. Obama's assertive policy agenda with healthcare and financial reform will take another year to begin to make sense to those who have been tricked into thinking Obama is some kind of scary bogeyman.

Clinton did the same thing with his midterms. He blew them off, lost both houses and then went onto to win a second term and end with the highest presidential approval ratings at the end of a presidency in 50 -some years.

People can harp on Obama's 50/50 ratings but the ratings of the GOP is still lower, has shown no answers for anything and shows no potential for running a candidate that can bridge the realistic conservatives with the nutty conservatives.

There is a long time to go before the next presidential election. If Obama has withstood the conservative onslaught of bullshiit that has been thrown his way so far and still has as many approving as disapproving then he has shown remarkable resiliency.

hahahahahahah and I was starting to agree with you for a minute. The first half or so of your post is alligned with some thoguths I have. but you completely lost me with the bolded part... The economy may have "appeared" to improve for a little while, but it was sleight of hand... real world employment numbers and housing issues are worse then ever before...

This "economy" has certainly not improved, but REGRESSED while Oby has been in office. It will take a MAJOR turnaround of the magnitude I speak to even get it going uphill...

At the moment, as Trap posted, Oby is losing int he polls to "generic GOP Candidate"... that's pretty sad.

[Dade]

A ton of young people would turn out if Obama promised tro legalize weed. That would be one reason I would vote for him. I dont smoke weed at all, haven't for over 10 years (can't risk my security clearance). But I think it could stimulate the economy.

xmradiodave is right it would be highly regulated.

It's a pipe dream of course. I really don't think weed will be legalized.

[xmradiodave]

A ton of young people would turn out if Obama promised tro legalize weed. That would be one reason I would vote for him. I dont smoke weed at all, haven't for over 10 years (can't risk my security clearance). But I think it could stimulate the economy.

xmradiodave is right it would be highly regulated.

It's a pipe dream of course. I really don't think weed will be legalized.

I don't see the complete legalization of marijuana anytime soon. Perhaps in a decade? Maybe. What I do see is the decriminalization of weed. Local law enforcement will just fine the hell out of you if you are found to be in possesison. I am sure there will be court appearences as well. The States/cities/counties will still get their money from court fees, tickets, et al, but the overcrowded prison systems will see a reprieve. Tax payers will be less burdened with supporting said over-crowded prisons.

This is all speculative at best. I am not a law-maker and have no idea what guidlines would go into the decriminalization of weed. For now, that would seem like the best step. No jail time, just a sliding scale fine system.

[jonboy79]

I don't see the complete legalization of marijuana anytime soon. Perhaps in a decade? Maybe. What I do see is the decriminalization of weed. Local law enforcement will just fine the hell out of you if you are found to be in possesison. I am sure there will be court appearences as well. The States/cities/counties will still get their money from court fees, tickets, et al, but the overcrowded prison systems will see a reprieve. Tax payers will be less burdened with supporting said over-crowded prisons.

This is all speculative at best. I am not a law-maker and have no idea what guidlines would go into the decriminalization of weed. For now, that would seem like the best step. No jail time, just a sliding scale fine system.

There is a TON more money in legalization.
Farmers can produce profittable crops
Which can be taxed
Distribution channells become legal, and taxed
Regulating the sales akin to alcohol will actually reduce the exposure to kids, and provide a platform for EXTREME taxation

More JOBS, more TAXES, frees up the police and criminal system for real crimes, and takes a LOT of the incentive away from being a gang-banging drug dealer....

BY the time it hits the shelves they could probably, profittably undercut street prices with over 100% in taxes.

[NCRAVEN]

hahahahahahah and I was starting to agree with you for a minute. The first half or so of your post is alligned with some thoguths I have. but you completely lost me with the bolded part... The economy may have "appeared" to improve for a little while, but it was sleight of hand... real world employment numbers and housing issues are worse then ever before...

This "economy" has certainly not improved, but REGRESSED while Oby has been in office. It will take a MAJOR turnaround of the magnitude I speak to even get it going uphill...

At the moment, as Trap posted, Oby is losing int he polls to "generic GOP Candidate"... that's pretty sad.

:word . Right there with you on this one. The second half was so partisan and biased.

[Dade]

I don't see the complete legalization of marijuana anytime soon. Perhaps in a decade? Maybe. What I do see is the decriminalization of weed. Local law enforcement will just fine the hell out of you if you are found to be in possesison. I am sure there will be court appearences as well. The States/cities/counties will still get their money from court fees, tickets, et al, but the overcrowded prison systems will see a reprieve. Tax payers will be less burdened with supporting said over-crowded prisons.

This is all speculative at best. I am not a law-maker and have no idea what guidlines would go into the decriminalization of weed. For now, that would seem like the best step. No jail time, just a sliding scale fine system.

That will probably be the first move towards legalization. I have a friend from high school who lives in PG County. Dude is a good guy, works for a car insurance company. Got caught last year with 1/2 a ounce of weed. Spent 6 months in jail and is on parole for 1 year. Completely absurd.

Your idea about a fine, court fees and tickets is an excellent one.



There is a TON more money in legalization.
Farmers can produce profittable crops
Which can be taxed
Distribution channells become legal, and taxed
Regulating the sales akin to alcohol will actually reduce the exposure to kids, and provide a platform for EXTREME taxation

More JOBS, more TAXES, frees up the police and criminal system for real crimes, and takes a LOT of the incentive away from being a gang-banging drug dealer....

BY the time it hits the shelves they could probably, profittably undercut street prices with over 100% in taxes.

Yes tax the hell out of it!