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RavenScallywag

03-08-2007, 03:22 PM

Edwin should get a big :thumbup: . Ring of Honor is about two things: playing time/success in Baltimore, and what you do in the community. Edwin may not be a HOF LG, but he certainly manned a dominant left side with JO and had some good success here. Also, Big Ed's Band was a huge thing in the area and the guy was on KMS this morning saying, unless something drastic changes, he's coming back to Baltimore when he retires.

Jamal, to be honest, I have to give a :thumbdown: to right now. Yes, he's the franchise's leading rusher and he had that HUGE season, but really, he had three big years here, and three just ok years. And, unless I missed it, he contributed nothing to the community except that stupid mess in 2004 with the cell phone. He can be a great player but I haven't seen enough from him yet to merit him being one of our greats. I'd only change it if he ends up coming back later in his career.

Gabrosin

03-08-2007, 03:30 PM

Jamal Lewis: :thumbdown:

Edwin Mulitalo: :thumbdown:

Earnest Byner: :thumbdown:

If Jamal had given us 5-6 productive seasons, maybe he'd deserve such an honor. Instead he gave us a couple good years, a few poor ones, a couple seriously injured ones, and an embarrassing prison sentence. Pass.

As for Mule, it would be nice to be sentimental and honor him, but I think that Ring should belong to people who were outstanding on the field as well as off. Mulitalo has been outstanding off the field and above average on it. He's been a quality component of the Ravens but not one of its stars, and without his play our teams would have been much the same.

Of the current Ravens, assuming they continue having productive careers in the city of Baltimore, I would make a case for Ray Lewis (lock), Jonathan Ogden (lock), Ed Reed, Todd Heap, Chris McAlister, and Matt Stover. Other than those six, none of our players have distinguished themselves enough to enter the conversation. There are young players who could get on this list with continued outstanding play (Suggs, Clayton, Ngata), there are older players who are superstars but haven't been Ravens for most of their careers (McNair, Pryce, Mason), and there are solid performers who I love having on the Ravens but can't label as elite (Gregg, Scott).

Mulitalo, for me, fell into that final category. Worthy of commendation, but not of honoring forever.

PurpleRulz

03-08-2007, 04:04 PM

No one asked about Earnest Byner. He is already in the ROH.

Both Jamal and Mule get a :thumbup:

We would not have won the SB without both.

Raineman

03-08-2007, 06:34 PM

Being a "Jamal pimper" you may not believe this, but I don't think he even gets consideration for the ROH. So I'll say :thumbdown: to that one. (Although I would think he deserves it more than Earnest Byner, since somebody brought it up)

Edwin on the other hand? There should not even be a discussion. There ARE FEW Ravens who are/were willing to do for the community AND team what he has done. You need to remember that the ROH is not only the teams, but it is OURS as well. It is a link to the community, which Edwin has represented like no other Raven ever has. The ROH for Edwin should be about one of the easiest decisions they could make. Yes his play as a guard was above average. HOF? I can't say. I don't know about the other guards in the HOF to even venture a guess. ROH? No brainer to me. So with that I say :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Ravenatic20

03-08-2007, 06:47 PM

None?

If anyone gets it, it will be J. Lewis only because of his 2000 yard season, but thats the only way it would happen.

TTRaven

03-08-2007, 06:54 PM

camdenyard

03-08-2007, 07:17 PM

Jamal, maybe. Not Ed.

bassgtrst

03-08-2007, 07:25 PM

No Jamal. Hes done nothing for the community and while he has played good for us in the past, his career post-jail was far from honorable.

I would give Ed a yes. A great community guy and a great OL for us that we developed out of the 6th round.

PurpleRulz

03-08-2007, 08:49 PM

It is Ring of Honor, not Hall of Fame. If Mulitalo and Jamal are not worthy of honor for their many contributions throughout their Ravens careers, then I don't know who is.

Greg

03-08-2007, 09:19 PM

If Mulitalo and Jamal are not worthy of honor for their many contributions throughout their Ravens careers, then I don't know who is.
Ray Lewis and Jon Ogden. If you can't figure out that difference ...

Jamal had one incredible year and a few good ones, not enough longevity. Edwin, I love the guy but he just isn't an elite player. If he is in so is Rob Burnett (more deserving), and then who? Too many players to mention fall into this category.

Ravens0587

03-08-2007, 09:20 PM

Agree with Greg, I don't agree with anyone currently on there and I Othink only ogden and ray deserve to be on there

PurpleRulz

03-08-2007, 09:52 PM

Ray Lewis and Jon Ogden. If you can't figure out that difference ...

Jamal had one incredible year and a few good ones, not enough longevity. Edwin, I love the guy but he just isn't an elite player. If he is in so is Rob Burnett (more deserving), and then who? Too many players to mention fall into this category.

You obviously don't understand the concept of the ROH. This is not the Hall of Fame we are talking about. It is, in part, about the impact these players have had with the RAVENS throughout their career. Jamal and Mule contributions far extend what they accomplished on the field.

Not that I am making this argument, but some would take issue with your suggestion of Ray Lewis in the ROH due to his off field murder trials and multiple paternity suits, etc.

Bottomline, those two will be honored whether you feel they are worthy or not.

Raineman

03-08-2007, 09:52 PM

PurpleRulz

03-08-2007, 10:00 PM

Normally I would agree with Greg and 0587's points. HOWEVER.......A precedent has been set. That standard is why I would say Mulitalo should be a shoe-in.

That standard, by the way, is Byner. (There is obviously no comparison between the 2). Given the standard, when does Trent get his spot? Michael Jackson anyone? How about WSO....sorry....I mean Brad Jackson? Does Stoney get a spot? What about Chris Redman, I mean, after all, he was Johnny U's "boy".

If Byner got a spot then so does the TV guy with the orange glove. C'mon folks. People hold our players to a standard that was set by the old school Colts players that WERE the community, and you people say Edwin doesn't deserve to be there? He is probably one of maybe 5 guys that, by your Baltimore Colts standards, epitomizes the standard.

Look beyond the field. The play on the field, the contribution to team, and the committment to community IS the ROH standard.

Posters like Greg think "woulda, shoulda, coulda" and ignore reality (what is). Again, folks don't know ythe difference between a Hall of Fame and a Ring of Honor. Are Jamal and Mule HOFers? Heck no. Are they worthy of the ROH? Most certainly. This is not even a discussion. The fact that there is an attempt to debate this just tells those posters need to find something more substantive to debate.

purplepoe

03-08-2007, 10:30 PM

Byner being in has screwed the whole thing up.

If you add players like Mulitalo and to a lesser extent Jamal, if a few years' the whole railing will be filled in a decade.

I say neither should get in but because Byner's in, all bets are off.

PP

Ravens0587

03-08-2007, 11:15 PM

well if we put every succesful player in there, jamal, ray, boulware, reed, mcalister, clayton, byner, mule, ogden....get the point

WTF is byner doing there anyway seriously ask yourself wtf

darb72

03-08-2007, 11:24 PM

Mule has been one of the most consistant guards in the league since he signed here. Let's give some love to the guards.:thumbup:

Jamal I think deserves it because he has the second most rushing yards in a season and broke the 100 yard mark as a rookie in the SuperBowl. I vote for him.:thumbup:

PurpleRulz

03-09-2007, 06:34 AM

well if we put every succesful player in there, jamal, ray, boulware, reed, mcalister, clayton, byner, mule, ogden....get the point

WTF is byner doing there anyway seriously ask yourself wtf

But look at how many players you did NOT name. Remember this organization is young. Over time, things will thin out a bit. Actually, each of the above names (save for Byner) will be in the ROH.

camdenyard

03-09-2007, 06:49 AM

No, the ROH is not the freakin' HOF. But it's Baltimores' HOF. It's not a nice guy's social club. It's there to recognize truly outstanding players.

Forget Byner. That was a major blunder by one person who's already on the ROH and it's a mistake that can't be taken back for obvious reasons. He shouldn't be used to compare anyone's eligibility.

Jamal should probably be there for the same reason Pete and McCrary are there. They were outstanding during the time they were here, and they were key to helping the Ravens win a championship. Hell, Jamal was our offense for 5 years.

Ray and JO are the only "shoo-in"s because they will be first ballot HOF-ers.

Mulitalo was a consistent but never dominant guard. Sorry, no dice.

Johnny_Storm

03-09-2007, 06:49 AM

Jamal :thumbup: :thumbup:
Ed :thumbdown:

How does the guy who will be the all-time leading rusher maybe for the rest of this franchises history not go into the ROH? We don't win the SB if Jamal doesn't carry our offense down the stretch.

Ed was a nice guy but just not a good enough player to be in the ROH.

I think alot of you guys are mixing up off-feild with on-field performance. Jamal Lewis is the third most important player in this franchise's history and I'm glad that the descisions about who gets into the ROH are not left to fair-weather fans like you people.

teagues

03-09-2007, 07:33 AM

Agree with Greg, I don't agree with anyone currently on there and I Othink only ogden and ray deserve to be on there

I know he is a kicker, but Stover will be on there too. And personally, I think Jamal has done enough as a Raven to be on there. Like someone else said, he and Stover were all we could count on offensively, for quite some time.

Ravenatic20

03-09-2007, 07:40 AM

Right now I say no to J. Lewis and Mulitalo.

Ogden and R. Lewis are locks. No one can argue that.

Future possibilities are Heap, Stover, Reed, and McAllister. But we'll see...

B-more Ravor

03-09-2007, 08:50 AM

I agree with Ravenatic20. Both players were very good, and did a lot to help this team win a championship. They both are not on that ROH level for me. When you think ROH you think about cornerstone players for this franchise, guys like Ray Lewis and Ogden.

Of course both Jamal and Edwin deserve it more than Byner.

I pretty much agree with this, mainly because I believe the Ring should be reserved for the best of the best (yes, I know Byner's in there, and every August when the first preseason game arrives, I look to see if his name has somehow been quietly removed).

To me, Edwin, while a great guy and solid player doesn't rise to that level. Heck, he never even went to a Pro-Bowl. :thumbdown:

Jamal, on the other hand, is a very close call. If not for the 2000 yard season, he's not even close IMO, but because of that season, I think I'd put him in. :thumbup:

riprulz8

03-09-2007, 09:00 AM

I love Ed but he does not warrant a place in the ring of honor. Even if we use the criteria of both on AND off the field accomplishments, Ed simply has not performed well enough on the field to demand this accolade.

As for Jamal, I'm on the fence. If we hold him to the same off the field standards as we are with Mule, then, no, he is not deserving. However, his ON field performance has been wonderful since we drafted him in 2000. Either way, it's a tough call, but for now I will say no on Jamal too.

After players leave, it's usually difficult to set aside the pain/disappointment of their loss and look back clearly on their careers with unbiased views. Let's give this debate a year or two and revisit it then.

festivus

03-09-2007, 09:01 AM

There are three criteria discussed so far in this thread.

1. Quality of play on the field
2. Quality of participation in the community
3. Consistency with other names on the RoH, notably Ernest Byner

The posts are informed by the way the poster ranks these criteria.

My personal opinion is that consistency is irrelevant. Byner is up there, but it doesn't mean we need to be goofy about it every time someone retires.

What I want to see is a *combination* of 1 and 2, with excellence in one or the other and at least a good job in the other. Michael McCrary being the king of both is the model. Someone who brings talent to the field but is a quiet malcontent when the stadium is quiet is a hired gun, and may go to Pro Bowls but does not belong on the Ring of Honor.

So, my vote:
Mulitalo: :thumbup: Quality of play is good enough to supplement outstanding contributions to the community. What more could he have given.
"I loved my time in Baltimore, and now it's time for me to find somewhere else to play. Baltimore will always be my home."

Jamal Lews: :thumbdown: Mercenary malcontent crybaby. Has his SB ring, has his records of personal achievement, take them with my congratulations and pack your bags.
"I wanted to get out of that deal and get out of Baltimore."

Quotes from this article (http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=33&id=1220&view=archive).

4G63

03-09-2007, 09:03 AM

Didn't we release Mule?; meaning can't we resign him if noone else picks him up?

festivus

03-09-2007, 09:04 AM

Didn't we release Mule?; meaning can't we resign him if noone else picks him up?

Yup. Could happen. Probably not.

4G63

03-09-2007, 09:12 AM

^^OK, so he gone, but not really gone yet!!! I think he's gonna end up re-signing with us. Just my opinion though

deuce

03-09-2007, 09:30 AM

I love both players but...

Jamal - :thumbup:
Mule - :thumbdown:

Rochardrik

03-09-2007, 09:49 AM

well if we put every succesful player in there, jamal, ray, boulware, reed, mcalister, clayton, byner, mule, ogden....get the point

WTF is byner doing there anyway seriously ask yourself wtf

Yeah, WTF? I believe he should be removed, so the rest of the way, these honorees can be voted on in an intelligent way, not... Well, if Byner is in.... That just completely undermines the integrity of the process, and the ROH!:hammer:

Greg

03-09-2007, 10:09 AM

But look at how many players you did NOT name. Remember this organization is young. Over time, things will thin out a bit. Actually, each of the above names (save for Byner) will be in the ROH.
Really, so in 20 years we would have like 40-50 people up there by your criteria.

Byner was a mistake and he shouldn't be considered when looking at new possibles. Just because the bar was set at "making the team and Modell liking you" doesn't me it should stay there.

You obviously don't understand the concept of the ROH.
LOL, so tell us oh greating fucking sage. I have my understanding and you have yours. Under your standards 2-3 guys would make it every year. If Mulitalo is in so is Gregg, hell, how far away is Flynn? Jamie Sharper? Rod Woodson is more deserving and as I said before, so is Burnett. Duane Starks meant more to our Super Bowl win, does that off-set his lacking in comparison to Edwin in the community?

Posters like Greg think "woulda, shoulda, coulda" and ignore reality (what is).
What the fuck are you talking about? I am talking about his play on the field. It was above average for some time, average at others. He was never even a Pro Bowl alternate IIRC.

I have met Edwin numerous times and I love the guy, I think he is an outstanding person. But as an NFL player he is between average and good. Better, higher impact players not up in the ROH include people like Sharper, Woodson, Burnett, Michael Jackson, Starks, Siragusa and many I am missing.

Check out the stadium, there just isn't room for all of these people and the Greggs, Flynns, etc. And there shouldn't be. Yes, Byner's inclusion diminishes the honor to those who are deserving, no reason to perpetuate that mistake, move his name to an end on the lower level and move on and forget he is there.

Byner does have one note-worthy accomplishment that makes him kind of worthy in a Baltimore ROH...the fumble. LOL, great smack against Clownfan.

CrabsHon

03-09-2007, 10:18 AM

I think we should replace Earnest Byner's name with

PHIL SAVAGE and the rest of the former Ravens that have gone on to die/end there careers in Cleveland. :thumbup:

Mobtown

03-09-2007, 10:30 AM

:thumbdown: To both for all of the reasons previously stated.

Ravens'N'Hoos

03-09-2007, 10:48 AM

Jamal should be in there. It's not like he showed up as a FA, won a ring with us, rushed for 2,000 and left. We drafted him and he was the core of our offense for several seasons, including the Super Bowl, and he reached second place in all-time season rushing while a player here as well as setting the record for rushing yards in a game.

Would've been nice if he'd been more involved in the community, brought less controversy to the franchise ... But that is what it is.

It's not like this has to happen tomorrow, in any case. On other teams it takes many years to be inducted into the ROH. The Bills just inducted Thurman Thomas in 2005 (who, like Jamal, went to a division rival before retiring "as a Bill" on a one-day contract. Wonder if Jamal will do that too.). With the passage of time, bitterness toward Jamal will fade and the most important things will remain: Super Bowl, 2,000 yards, 295 yards.

Ed, I'm not so sure. Borderline as far as on-field contributions, when other guys at or above his level aren't on there. If he came back as a coach after retiring and coached with the team for a long time, then yes, I'd say.

section553

03-09-2007, 11:28 AM

Neither get in. Loved them both while they were here but you cant put all of your favorite players in.

PRESSPASS

03-09-2007, 08:13 PM

Both guys have earned it. Jamal with 2000+ yards, Pro Bowl and Super Bowl. Edwin was a big part of the 2000+ yards, Pro Bowl alternate, Super Bowl and a huge community guy.

Since we don't really know the criteria its hard to know what the Ravens are looking for.

Raineman

03-10-2007, 07:12 AM

Greg-I can't find the info right now (because I'm working:rolleyes: ) but I'm pretty sure Mulitalo had two years as a pro bowl alternate. FWIW

Edit: Found it in his Bio on Big Eds Band website--2003 pro bowl alternate--just one year. Pretty tough to break in to that position when you got guys like Faneca and Shields perennial pro bowlers.

21xxxv

03-10-2007, 07:29 AM

It would be criminal if any O'Line man went into the ring of honor before J.O.

I say no to Mule, Yes to JAmal, but there should be a minimum of year elapsed before we throw guys in the ring. Byner is an outrage. Mule is a wonderful person in the community, he never made a pro-bowl.... Jamal deserves for the 2000 year and the record breaking 2003 year. But, the rule should be must be out of the league before in ducted

ravenwoman

03-10-2007, 08:24 AM

Edwin Mulatalo :thumbup:

Jamal Lewis :thumbdown:

I am giving it to Edwin because of his unselfish dedication to the team and to the community.

Jamal Lewis, while he had some good seasons early in his career, has really not distinguished himself on and off the field. Leaving and bad mouthing your team does not bode well with me.

camdenyard

03-10-2007, 08:49 AM

I am giving it to Edwin because of his unselfish dedication to the team and to the community.

I guess excellence on the field doesn't count for some people.

Greg

03-10-2007, 09:48 AM

Pretty tough to break in to that position when you got guys like Faneca and Shields perennial pro bowlers.
Or put another way, it's tough to break in when you aren't one of the top 4-5 guards in your conference.

Again, I love the guy, hard worker, team man, great in the community, but he ain't ROH worthy. And to me, Jamal just didn't have enough length, though you can make a better argument for him at least on the field.

PRESSPASS

03-10-2007, 02:35 PM

Here is the criteria for ROH...

http://baltimoreravens.com/gameday/ringOfHonor.jsp

Raineman

03-10-2007, 02:56 PM

I read it twice. Where is the "on the field performance" part? I can't find it.

And if you want to make room in the "RAVENS" ring of honor for more "RAVENS" (man, I know I'll get flamed for this) then you could remove the 8 Colts HOF'ers. After all, they're Colts. Removal of Byner should be a given.

That way we would have plenty of room for the people that fit that standard (gracious link provided by PRESSPASS). And by the way I see the original question (Jamal or Mule) in this scenario, it is hands down, Mulitalo. He meets all the criteria. Jamal does not. IMO of course.

(Oh boy, here it comes):bag:

ravens-maniac

03-10-2007, 03:28 PM

love edwin, great in the community but not sure if ring of honor worthy, Jamal is the all time Ravens rushing holder and all time single game rushing holder i would have to say :thumbdown: :thumbdown: after time maybe both but not this soon

PRESSPASS

03-11-2007, 09:40 PM

Based on the Ravens criteria, Edwin should be a canidate.

camdenyard

03-11-2007, 10:14 PM

Raineman,

Based on the criteria just posted, which I was unaware of and surprised by, you may be right.

But that makes me want to call the criteria into question.

Greg

03-12-2007, 09:47 AM

The criteria is vague, with an emphasis on character strictly because they want flexibility in who they put up there. But if you have 2-3 guys worthy every year it stops being a Ring of Honor and starts to be a Ring of Guys We Liked.

If Ed goes up I will cheer him. I love the guy, again, top-notch person and great in the community, but play of the field has to be a part of it.

Check out the Cowboys' Ring of Honor. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys_Ring_of_Honor) 17 if I counted correctly, in 45+ years. But look at the people up there, all top players and front office types. Edwin as a player just isn't in that kind of group. Not even close. If it were close I would agree. It just isn't. Jamal is close and his off field nonsense and locker room BS gets his thumbs down from me.

Raineman

03-12-2007, 07:51 PM

I guess we are arguing semantics(sp) here. I must point out that the entire gist of this thread was festivus giving us a choice. Edwin and/or Jamal. To me it was a hypothetical choice, and for the moment it still is.

After the emotional wave of them leaving is wearing down, I am starting to see your point though Greg. I kinda doubt Edwin ever makes it in, but I do fear that Jamal will. I think that would suck, because in my book Jamal never even gets consideration.

ravensfan1996

03-13-2007, 09:12 AM

DO you think anyone would notice if earnest byner's name wasnt up in the ring of honor next year...no mention that it was removed, just slowly make it disappear. Im sure byner associates himself with with the browns anyway. Thats like putting Shannon Sharpe in our ring of honor..or woodson...

Anyway i think on field performance is part of it, since the better you are the longer you usually play...and hence you are a "name" in the community. I mean Steve Mcnair does a lot of charity work and good for the community but if he plays 2 years here does he go in??? You cant put in every "nice" guy on the team....and you cant retire numbers left and right since in football youd have no numbers left. baseball is easier to retire numbers since less players on a teams and numbers dont mean anything like in football.

Greg

03-13-2007, 11:57 AM

You can't take Byner's name down, it would be a low class thing to do. Eventually it will end up on the lower ring at the end. It was a mistake to put him up there but Modell is a nice guy who rewards loyalty.

flraven

03-15-2007, 09:01 AM

Modell also honored the Baltimore Colt HOFers in the Ring of Honor. They never played for the Ravens, but they played in Baltimore and (I'm guessing) was his attempt to appease the fans by not naming the stadium John Unitas Memorial Stadium (or something like that).
Anyway, I'd like to think that Mule and Jamal would be candidates for the Ring.

Mista T

03-15-2007, 03:37 PM

Edwin Mulatalo :thumbdown: (Nice guy, but just an average player)

Jamal Lewis (2000+ yards season and 285 single game) :thumbup:

.... and please just quietly remove the embarassment of Byner.

purplepoe

03-15-2007, 11:40 PM

Edwin Mulatalo :thumbdown: (Nice guy, but just an average player)

Jamal Lewis (2000+ yards season and 285 single game) :thumbup:

.... and please just quietly remove the embarassment of Byner.

That would be 295.

PP

Raineman

03-16-2007, 06:31 AM

Sorry there T, I have to disagree with the "Jamal :thumbup: " part.

If Mulitalo doesn't get it because of his on the field performance, then Jamal doesn't get it because of his off the field issues, and the attention it brought to the team. That would be a huge "black eye" to us around the league.

I can hear it now, "Ha, those stupid Baltimore people put a coke dealer in their Ring". And you can't convince me it won't be exactly like that.

Another question to ask is "What was Jamal's contribution to the Baltimore community?" Seems to me that is a huge part of this criteria, and I can't put my finger on anything that he did for it OFF the field.

Mista T

03-16-2007, 10:05 AM

Another question to ask is "What was Jamal's contribution to the Baltimore community?" Seems to me that is a huge part of this criteria

A "huge part of this criteria"????? :229031_confused2:

According to what? I've never heard of a player's off-the-field activities being a huge part of the selection criteria, except for what fans write on the internet.

We may want the nice guys to finish first, but that's not necessarily how it will work. I really like Multalo - met him a few times - he's the real deal in community involvement and a dedicated football player. But just an average player.

On the subject of names for the Ring: how about Jermaine Lewis?

Losac

03-16-2007, 10:15 AM

Jamal's Baltimore-bashing comments of late should be enough to keep him out of the Ring. I mean, he did thank his buddy Phil Savage for getting him out of such a "bad situation" here in Bmore.

Jamal :thumbdown:

festivus

03-16-2007, 10:22 AM

On the subject of names for the Ring: how about Jermaine Lewis?

:thumbup: Remember there was a stretch when every seventh time he touched the ball he got into the endzone? What a great guy, and he provided for me the single most memorable moment in Ravens history, heading into the corner of the endzone, pointing at the sky, thinking of his son at the SuperBowl. Still gives me shivers, just thinking about it.

Plus I'm told he was 100% class and a nice, nice guy.

Ravens45

09-29-2007, 05:26 PM

I was just wondering who do you think the Ravens should next induct into our Ring of Honor? It's already a guaranteed lock that Ogden will be inducted in just a few short years, and so will Stover and Ray Lewis when their finished with their playing days. But in my opinion, I think there are a number of players who are deserving and aren't in... Rob Burnett (who's been with the team since they moved from Cleveland and without a doubt one of the greatest DL's in Ravens history), Rod Woodson (1998-2001, 3 time Pro-Bowler with Baltimore), and arguably Tony Siragusa (1997-2001), Jamie Sharper (1997-2001), and Jermaine Lewis (1997-2002, 2 time Pro-Bowler). What about current players who are deserving and are near the ends of their careers? Mike Flynn? Edwin Mulitalo? Personally, I believe all these guys are deserving. Each played huge key parts with their years with the Ravens and each showed class, professionalism, certainly skill, and each of the requirements for the Ring. I know this is a long list, but c'mon, you gotta admit that each one of these guys are much much more deserving than Earnest Byner.

camdenyard

09-29-2007, 06:01 PM

Mike Flynn? Edwin Mulitalo? Personally, I believe all these guys are deserving.

Mike Flynn? LOL. Then your standards are way too low. Don't talk to me about Byner, that was just a mistake.

Ray, JO and Stover are locks. Ed Reed and CMac will get there too. Others currently on the team have a ways to go.

The only guy not on the roster who has a chance is Jamal, and right now he's 50-50.

Ravens45

09-29-2007, 06:38 PM

Why not Mike Flynn? I know he's never been ranked as one of the elite Centers or Right Guards, but he's been more than solid since he's started. Besides Ogden, he's been the longest lasting Ravens offensive lineman. I don't think my standards are low. I'm not sure about Jamal though...one of the requirements for the Ring is "Character" and "Humility". From what Ravens fans have seen and heard since he's left is his crying about not getting enough carries, publicly questioning Billick, and leaving with a "sour taste in his mouth". Of course he was a great RB, the greatest in Ravens history. But it takes more than talent to get in. It also takes class and the rest of what is required for the Ring. Maybe in a couple years when Jamal's retired and if (IF) he makes up with the Ravens organization, then yeah, I can see him getting in. But as of now, then definately not. So I agree with you, he's 50-50. But I don't think that I'm the only one who wouldn't mind having Flynn's name around the top of M&T.

camdenyard

09-29-2007, 07:05 PM

Flynn has been a decent performer, pretty reliable but only average.

Or, do you want it to be the "Ring of Adequate"?

Ravens45

09-29-2007, 08:00 PM

Oh yeah, I would LOVE for it to be changed to the Ring of Adequate. I'd say Tony Pashos should be inducted this year! Of course I, nor any Ravens fan want it to be the Ring of Adequate. But Mike Flynn has been more than adequate and more than "decent". Do you think Jamal (who you yourself said could be inducted) would have rushed for over 2,000 yards without Flynn? Do you think he would have broken pretty much every Ravens rushing record? Like I said, I know Flynn will never be confused for a Pro-Bowler or Hall of Famer. Yeah you're right. But he's been KEY to the Ravens offense for over a decade now. Would you rather have Rabach starting?

jburns

09-29-2007, 08:02 PM

Sure, Flynn is a lock. So is Travis Taylor- he was a good guy- humble and nice. How about Kyle Richardson? I would vote for Anthony Weaver and Will Demps too.

I want to ask you one thing. Where would we be without Mike Flynn?

Ravens45

09-29-2007, 08:07 PM

I appreciate you agreeing that Flynn should be in...but Travis Taylor? Weaver? Demps? Taylor has been probably the most inaccurate WR we've ever had. Sure he made amazing catches at times, but on the very next play, he could have dropped a hand-off. Demps also dropped almost everything thrown his way. He was a solid defender, sure. But he made too many mistakes and costly penalties. Weaver was solid for sure. I've always liked him, but I don't think he's Ring of Honor worthy to have his name up there with Peter Boulware, Michael McCrary, and the rest.

Greg

09-29-2007, 08:14 PM

If we induct players at the rate some of the cats want to our "Ring of Honor" will need a "Continued in the next stadium" in about 3 years as we run out of room.

Ray
JO
Stover
Billick

MAYBE Jamal, but nobody else from gone players.

CMac, Reed, Heap, these guys are on their way to earning their way up there.

gwidion

09-29-2007, 09:32 PM

Id say Lewis, Ogden, Stover. I wouldnt say Billick has earned to be up there just yet.

Heap, Reed, McAllister are pretty close to making the list.

Suggs and Clayton eventually assuming they stay with the Ravens.

Ravens45

09-29-2007, 11:15 PM

I didn't mean inducting them all at the same time, or in the same year. If you haven't noticed, the names of the inductees around the stadium are pretty small. So I think there's room for about 5 others. Heap and Reed are definately getting there. I'm not so sure about McAlister. I believe he should be in, but I'm not sure if the team will actually induct him after being labeled "immature" off the field and being a handful. But I think everyone can tell he's grown up alot and I really do hope he gets in. Besides Deion, Chris McAlister has been my favorite CB.

purplepoe

09-30-2007, 09:24 AM

Did someone say Clayton?

What in the world is going on here.

First of all, Jamal is in. People saying Flynn over a guy like Jamal? And yes, Jamal would've had 2000 yds without Flynn. You know why? Because an average center is what he was then.

Ray/Ogden/Stover/Jamal are locks.

Jamal carried this offense for years people. He had 1300 yds in his rookie year on route to a SB win.

He had a 2000 yd season and was relied upon when we had jokes at QB and WR.

Ogden/Ray/Stover. No need to explain why they are in.

Reed/Heap/Cmac are the only other 3 on this roster who should be mentioned in this conversation?

Mulitalo?

Cmon people. We love our own guys. I get it. But let's stop going overboard here.

PP

Sports Steve

09-30-2007, 09:26 AM

The next one will be a hard choice for the Ravens.

So many players are getting close to the end that deserve to be up there.

:jester: :jester:

Filmstudy

09-30-2007, 09:41 AM

jburns, LOL. Obviously, humor does not translate well into writing. You need some sort of seltzer bottle emoticon. I'm actually surprised no one commented on the "where would we be without Mike Flynn?" question. Well certainly there would have been many more delay of game penalties without a center to snap the ball, and it would have left a large hole in the center of the line that would have impacted both passing and running plays.

What will determine who makes the Ring of Honor is the pace of induction. If the Ring of Honor is delivered only like a retired number in baeball, then we should take 50 years or more with a name every 5-10 years.

If, however, it is treated like the Orioles Hall of Fame, then it will be the Ring of Adequate. Such Oriole greats as Doug Decinces, Dennis Martinez, Hal Brown, Dick Hall, and Gene Woodling have already been inducted, as has Bob Brown (a tremendously nice guy who was traveling secretary for the Orioles for a number of years).

Sadly, I think the large empty concrete lip already induced Art M. to make a below-the-line induction. I'm hoping the new management will take the longer view.

RavenDavey

09-30-2007, 10:08 AM

WOW!! some of these names make NO SENSE!!

Ray, JO, and Stover will all be there. The biggest name in the end should be Ozzie Newsome! He is the one who brought in our draft picks that turn into Pro-bowlers!! Reed, Heap, Mac, Suggs.....etc. These are the same names that will probably go up in the end as well.

Ravens45

09-30-2007, 12:55 PM

DEFINATELY Ozzie Newsome. No doubt. Now, I started this to ask opinions of who deserves to be in the Ring of Honor. So far, it's all been blasting "Mike Flynn? Are you serious?" I never said he IS getting in. It's just my personal opinion that if he made it, I would support it. He's a blue-collar workhorse who's been an important and solid contributor year after year after year. Since 1997. I said earlier that no Ravens fan wants it to be the "Ring of Adequate". Filmstudy made a good point with the O's. Yeah, there's alot of guys deserving. I think Woodson and Burnett and Siragusa are more deserving right now for the Ring than anyone. Especially Jamal (only because of the off-field issues). But I think by the time the Ravens are wearing "XX" on their jersey's celebrating their 20th Anniversary, M&T will have the names of Newsome, Billick, Ogden, Stover, R. Lewis, Heap, Woodson, Reed, McAlister, Burnett, and Siragusa. The only reason why I leave Suggs off is because he could be gone after this year and he's only what, 25 years old? Now if he stays here for a longterm deal, then that's a different story. I just don't see why everyone's making such a big stink about having alot of Ravens inducted into our Ring of Honor. Isn't that suppose to be a GOOD thing? And I don't think the Ravens are gonna be allowing guys in left and right. The only mistake they've made, and I can GUARANTEE that pretty much every single Ravens fan agrees with me on this, is having Earnest Byner up there. But these guys I've listed are deserving. It's a GOOD thing we've had classy and talented Ravens throughout our history.

crpravens

11-21-2007, 05:38 PM

Which current or former Ravens should be in the Ring of Honor that aren't..

Here are mine:
Ray Lewis
Jonathan Ogden
Ed Reed
Jamal Lewis
Brian Billick
Chris McCalister
Matt Stover

ravenjoe

11-21-2007, 05:42 PM

Ditto!

On the Bubble includes: Kelly Gregg.

crpravens

11-21-2007, 05:49 PM

Honorable mentions for me:

Rob Burnett
Trent Dilfer
Michael Jackson

StingerNLG

11-21-2007, 06:43 PM

Personally, I think it should be someone who started AND ended his career with the Ravens.

Ray Lewis
Jonathan Ogden

Those right now are the only two I can think of. If he can get healthy and get back to being productive, I would put Todd Heap in there eventually as well.

Anyone who left this organization to play elsewhere should not be in the ROH. JMHO.

Admin Steve

11-21-2007, 06:49 PM

Stover. :thumbup:
Ray Ray :thumbup:
JO :thumbup:

Earnest Byner? :thumbdown:

festivus

11-21-2007, 06:54 PM

Ray and JO obviously. Reed is still young, we will see.

McAlister has been a real class act the last couple of years and a huge credit to the organization. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I thought his post-game comments after the Cleveland game were a reminder how far he's come as a stand-up guy. So he can be on my bubble.

StingerNLG

11-21-2007, 09:27 PM

Chris McAlister has been nothing but an elite CB for pretty much his whole career so far. He has been considered a "shut down" corner for a long time. 3 time Pro-Bowler, including the 2006 season. He was drafted by the Ravens, and if he retires a Raven then he belongs on the ring.

Matt Stover is a no brainer.

RustonRifle

11-22-2007, 09:56 AM

Jamal Lewis :thumbdown: If it weren't for Jamals many off the field issues this would probably be a yes. He brought as many negatives as positives to the Raven organization so it's a no for me.

Edwin Mulitalo:thumbdown: Great guy he just didn't do enough special things on the field.

festivus

11-22-2007, 11:02 AM

Oh yeah. Matt Stover :thumbup: obviously.

ravenwoman

11-22-2007, 01:36 PM

Jamal Lewis - This one is a toss up and depending how long his career lasts in the NFL. If he retires soon, then most of his time will be as a Raven. I am not happy with his attitude and how he left the organization. He always had a victum's mentality and no one likes a victum.

Edwin Mulatalo- :thumbup:

A thought - I know this is terrible; but is there ANY WAY we can get the Ravens to recind (take down) Ernest Byner's name. It is a total disrespect to the rest of the Ring of Honor to have his name there. It is a complete joke.:thumbdown:

StingerNLG

11-22-2007, 04:30 PM

Does anyone really know the reason Byner is even on the ring?

festivus

11-22-2007, 08:06 PM

Stinger I'd always heard the reason is he was close with Art Modell. No idea whether it's true, just what I'd heard.

StingerNLG

11-22-2007, 09:44 PM

purplepoe

11-22-2007, 10:31 PM

I guess. I know he was a Raven for a couple years. And I know he worked in the Ravens front office. But his stats for the Ravens were hardly impressive at all. To be honest, Byner was more of a Brown and Redskin than a Raven.

He just doesn't deserve to be there. The only person who IMO should be there that was a Brown first was Matt Stover, and that is because he came to Baltimore with the team and never left. If he retires here, he should be inducted that first game he doesn't play.

No doubt that Byner shouldn't be in there.

And as Greg pointed out, he bolted for a job with the Skins the moment it was offered.

My locks are:

Stover
Ray
Ogden
McAlister

If they keep it up:
Reed

I used to have Heap in that list but he's starting to fall into the "bubble" category for me although I still think he'll get in.

I think Jamal should get in as well but there is a little more baggage with him.

PP