Sergio Kindle

[RavenScallywag]

this thing is hard to figure out...


@KingSerg2: Its official, i'll be wear'n number 94!!! ima sit out some games but look for ya boy on that field sometime next month!!

Ok, I get that it seems likely he'll be on the field this season, all signs seem to point to it. But he's going to be PUP'd, so we won't see him at least until mid-to-late October...i guess that counts as next month...

I'm hesitant to believe this, don't want to get my hopes up. It'd be frankly amazing to get Kindle back before mid-season.

[jonboy79]

You must start the preseason on Pup to be Pup'd...

he hasn't signed yet. He can play as soon as he signs.

[bmorebirds_24]

this thing is hard to figure out...



Ok, I get that it seems likely he'll be on the field this season, all signs seem to point to it. But he's going to be PUP'd, so we won't see him at least until mid-to-late October...i guess that counts as next month...

I'm hesitant to believe this, don't want to get my hopes up. It'd be frankly amazing to get Kindle back before mid-season.



Well it is September and next month is October so I can see where he thinks next month. The accident happened in July a week before camp...October makes right around 9 weeks to heal up. I'm thinking he will be ok to play.


I'm just a drunk who loves football and has no clue about injuries and such, but I don't think it was as bad as we all probably worried for the man.

[The Fanatic]

If it wasn't for Twitter, you would be in the complete darkness as to what's going on with him.
I got to think Harbaugh, the front office, etc. would prefer to keep his situation under wraps until absolutely necessary to disclose.
Quite frankly, I think all teams would prefer their players not tweet and disclose information about themselves and their perspective teams.

As for what he tweeted, my pure speculation trying to read into what he said...

I take that as he saw the doctors here in Baltimore and was given the green light to be able to play.
Obviously he needs to get into game shape, etc.
Next month sounds about right to continue to heal and get ready mentally and physically.
I'd imagine he'll be signed in the very near future considering he apparently already knows his number and a current roster spot will be eliminmated to make room for him.
Would also explain why they were willing to part with Barnes.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Maybe, just maybe, he's a really enthusiastic bloke and is getting ahead of himself?

[CRZA938]

Would also explain why they were willing to part with Barnes.

You know Fanatic, when I heard about the Barnes trade I thought this had to be a possibility because I thought Barnes could really help us this year.

Have the details surrounding the trade been confirmed?

[RavenScallywag]

Conditional 7th round pick for Barnes.

Seems like a fairly good steal for the Eagles. The only explanation we can come up with is Barnes was not in our long term plans and we'd rather get a LITTLE something for him than nothing. Conditional 7th round picks are generally reserved for players who would not make the roster.

[Bez513]

If it wasn't for Twitter, you would be in the complete darkness as to what's going on with him.


Could someone be kind enough to post the twitter accts for the players? I just have Micheal Ohers.

TY!

[Flipping Birdie]

Has he been officially PUP'd? Don't you have to be signed to be PUP'd? If he is not PUP's then maybe he will be back in 3-4 games. MAybe that is why Barnes is gone

Dan Kolko said that the Ravens placing Kindle on a non-football injury list qualifies him for the reserve PUP list, and that the Ravens have indicated that it is their intention to PUP him. I really don't know what is right or wrong and thought that only players on active PUP could be put on reserve PUP, so color me completely confused about the facts until the Ravens make an official statement on the matter.

[The Fanatic]

Could someone be kind enough to post the twitter accts for the players? I just have Micheal Ohers.

TY!

I'm no twitter expert, but THIS (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/tweetmixx.aspx) should get you started.
Click on the Players tab at the top.

[AirFlacco]

Everyone has been confused about this since day 1.



RAMBLINGS OF THE SCOTTISH AMERICAN RAVEN

[RavenScallywag]

Not sure if a case like this has existed before...definitley rare. His injury came BEFORE he signed a deal.

So really, there's no rush to get a deal done. Generally, have to be on Active PUP whole time to hit Reserve PUP. But Kindle was unsigned, so he can't be on Active PUP. BUT, if you literally go by the rules that one practice invalidates Reserve PUP, Kindle is still okay because he never practiced in TC.

Like I said, can't think of any situations like this occurring before.

[mjones73]

Bez513 - I have the following on twitter so far...

DLan504
Foxworth24
tommyzbikowski
D_Stallworth18
raylewis52com
FABEWASH31
LeRonMcClain33
RayRice27
LWebb21
MichaelOher74

These are good for Ravens news

Ravens24x7
RavensInsider
1WinningDrive

And for a little entertainment

OGOchoCinco

[mjones73]

Oh and this is from 23 hours ago

@KingSerg2: Whats good world! Ya boy is up get'n ready for my flight to B-More!! Yea buddy...IM BACK!!! King Serg

[RavenScallywag]

If you follow a few of them, they end up replying or retweeting others, so you'll start picking up some more of them.

Generally speaking, you won't get too much news from the player tweets. The FOs around the league are pretty strict nowadays about what things you can or can't post to avoid trouble.

[Purpleguy]

I just saw this article on FB:

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/09/07/kindle-hopes-for-a-2010-return/

Judging by the tests they are running, I still don't see this guy playing this year, or maybe ever. You typically don't test NFL players to see if they can do two things at the same time.

The Ravens have been very quiet about the situation. Kindle seems to have a case of Boobie Miles syndrome.

[pyite32]

I just saw this article on FB:

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/09/07/kindle-hopes-for-a-2010-return/

Judging by the tests they are running, I still don't see this guy playing this year, or maybe ever. You typically don't test NFL players to see if they can do two things at the same time.

The Ravens have been very quiet about the situation. Kindle seems to have a case of Boobie Miles syndrome.

Maybe not this year, but just because they are doing the tests doesn't mean he is having trouble completing them. These are tests they would do on anyone with a head injury going to play an contact sport.

In fact I got hit by a car when I was riding my bike when I was 13. 9.5 days in a coma and a summer of not being able to stand for more than 30 minutes at a time without feeling light headed. Then when the next spring came around I had to complete tests like this so my doctor would clear me to play lacrosse for the High School. Football in general and especially at the NFL level is 1 million times more and harder contact than high school lacrosse, and I still had to do this.

[Dave Lap]

In fact I got hit by a car when I was riding my bike when I was 13. 9.5 days in a coma and a summer of not being able to stand for more than 30 minutes at a time without feeling light headed. .

Damn...

[Losac]

I just saw this article on FB:

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/09/07/kindle-hopes-for-a-2010-return/

Judging by the tests they are running, I still don't see this guy playing this year, or maybe ever. You typically don't test NFL players to see if they can do two things at the same time.

The Ravens have been very quiet about the situation. Kindle seems to have a case of Boobie Miles syndrome.

Amazing the amount of doctors and medical experts we have posting on these boards. They would do these tests for anyone who suffered a head injury. In the Sun article today Sergio says he's been working out on his own with no headaches or ill effects. He says he thinks he did fine on the tests, but the doctors will have the final say.

I think Sergio will be back sooner than most think. In fact, I don't think the Ravens would have traded Barnes otherwise.

[trailhiker85]

I think Sergio will be back sooner than most think. In fact, I don't think the Ravens would have traded Barnes otherwise.


I have been wondering. The Barnes trade really surprised me, given a generally acknowledged need to improve the pass rush over last year.

[HoustonRaven]

I just saw this article on FB:

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/09/07/kindle-hopes-for-a-2010-return/

Judging by the tests they are running, I still don't see this guy playing this year, or maybe ever. You typically don't test NFL players to see if they can do two things at the same time

I see nothing in this article that points to him being done with football.

Quite the contrary because (1) this story is coming from the Ravens themselves. They would not allow a story to go out into the world unless there was some truth to it and (2) most NFL players do not crack their skull, thus the need for for these type of precautionary tests.

[Sua Sponte]

In case anybody forgot over the past few days due to celebration of a hard fought victory.

W.T.F is that prognosis report?
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It is Thursday and I have been waiting all week, thankfully we won and I have been in a good mood.

These guys told us early next week we would know what was going on with King Serg, well I am growing a bit Inpatient.

Does anybody have an update, tweet from Serg or anything?

[HoustonRaven]

These guys told us early next week we would know what was going on with King Serg

Link?

Not doubting you, but I do not recall them saying there would be any update by Thursday.

[ActualSpamBot]

Not doubting you, but I do not recall them saying there would be any update by Thursday.

I don't care if Harbaugh never tells anyone when Serge is expected back. Its not my job to know about his health, its Harbaugh's and Serge's.

[Sua Sponte]

Link?

Not doubting you, but I do not recall them saying there would be any update by Thursday.

You know what, i think your right, I guess I really jumped the gun. I could have swore that I read or heard in a press conference that the results would be back by early next week. I looked back and could not find anything.

Well I am still inpatient and would like to know what is going on, I know it is a head injury, but it shouldn't take over a week to compare notes and come up with a decision, if it is taking that long, that might not be a good sign. I know they have to get it right, but the long part is the actually testing after that the notes and prognosis don't change.

I guess I will be waiting!

[Rayvens52]

You know what, i think your right, I guess I really jumped the gun. I could have swore that I read or heard in a press conference that the results would be back by early next week. I looked back and could not find anything.

Well I am still inpatient and would like to know what is going on, I know it is a head injury, but it shouldn't take over a week to compare notes and come up with a decision, if it is taking that long, that might not be a good sign. I know they have to get it right, but the long part is the actually testing after that the notes and prognosis don't change.

I guess I will be waiting!

I heard the same thing last week on 105.7 the fan. Also Kindle said either today or yesterday on twitter he has gotten some good news and was expecting more today or tomorrow.

[Sua Sponte]

I heard the same thing last week on 105.7 the fan. Also Kindle said either today or yesterday on twitter he has gotten some good news and was expecting more today or tomorrow.

Thanks Man! I thought I was losing it for a minute, I usually never post something I am not sure about, the board Nazi's will tear you up for that and rightfully so. I could not remember were, but thanks for clearing the air, I can officailly sleep tonight.

Tweet from Serg:
Whats the deal world! Heard sumthin good yestaday, Im waitin 2 hear sumthin even better 2day! But n the meantime, im on da Grind! King Serg

Sergio Kindle said he's waiting for Ravens to talk w/ NFL management council so they can get approval to talk to him.

Ok I have been trying to piece this together, some are tired of hearing it, but Sergio makes us better if he comes back healthy.

He has been sending positive tweets.
He already claimed a # (94)
He is waiting on more good news to come sometime soon.

Could that be a contract?

[AirFlacco]

I heard the same thing SN.

Kindle had those cognitive tests that lasted about 6 hours.

The last thing he said was he'd have to learn the play book all
over again.

I thought an announcement was coming soon.

[Mista T]

The last thing he said was he'd have to learn the play book all
over again.

After reading the gibberish in Kindle's written statements, I question that that he has the ability to actually learn the playbook. :laugh:

[Dave Lap]

[QUOTE=ScoNo;222658]I read or heard in a press conference that the results would be back by early next week.


QUOTE]

I remember reading or hearing this statement, for sure.

[Losac]

After reading the gibberish in Kindle's written statements, I question that that he has the ability to actually learn the playbook. :laugh:

The tweets of every NFL player read like gibberish. Have you read the exchange between Ocho Stinko and McGahee? The written word is not exactly their strong point.

[jaydee414]

Good Lord. A scary thought just hit me. Can you imagine what a clusterf**k it would be if 'BengalsRulz" ever started "Tweeting"?

[Losac]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/09/the_ravens_highly_doubt_that.html

Wow, sounds bad. Kind of strange in that Kindle was being so optimistic, but the results of the tests he took don't sound good at all.

[HoustonRaven]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/09/the_ravens_highly_doubt_that.html

Wow, sounds bad. Kind of strange in that Kindle was being so optimistic, but the results of the tests he took don't sound good at all.

Very bad.

This type of shit chaps my ass. It hits a little closer to home since it's a Longhorn, but man, how stupid can you be to "slip and fall" down some steps.

How much money was that fall when it's all said and done? $5 Million maybe?

[Lee Van Cleef]

Maybe, just maybe, he's a really enthusiastic bloke and is getting ahead of himself?

*pats self on back*

[bmorebirds_24]

Very bad.

This type of shit chaps my ass. It hits a little closer to home since it's a Longhorn, but man, how stupid can you be to "slip and fall" down some steps.

How much money was that fall when it's all said and done? $5 Million maybe?

I'm with you! This just pisses me off!!!


And I HATE they never know anything, it's always we will have to wait and see. I understand it's a head injury but the Ravens and some other teams do it with every injury.


For example Webb last week. Either he is playing or not.


Ok done venting!

[Losac]

"It can only get better from here," Kindle said minutes after the Ravens announced the news. "My career is going to be fine."

"It’s one of those deals where you feel like you can play, but if the doctors don’t see it, then you don’t play," Kindle said.

Kindle is eager to sign with the Ravens, so he can attend meetings and games.

"I just want to be a part of the team and the camaraderie," Kindle said. "Regardless of if I’m playing or not, I wouldn’t mind being the biggest cheerleader we’ve got."

Great. Sign him to a multi-million dollar contract so he can stand on the sidelines and be a cheerleader. Just what we need, Sergio. :grbac:

This should be a lesson to every rookie who stages an extended holdout before signing (not that Kindle did that). One bad stroke of luck and it just cost you millions and possibly a career.

[Mista T]

I wonder if the Ravens can get an exemption from the NFL rule that limits the amount of time to sign rookies before they can go back into the draft pool - one year? If the Ravens are stuck with adhering to that rule, hopefully, he's not going to be paid anything more than the rookie minimum, and at end of the year.

[The Fanatic]

Sign him to a contract for what?
We hold his rights (not sure of how long that time frame is), so why invest money in someone you don't have to?
If he's not going to see the field, but you hold his signing rights, why not wait until further tests and evaluations are done down the road?

We've already invested and basically wasted a high draft pick with no return on that investment, and now we're going to waste $$ with no return as well?:229031_confused2:

I don't get it.

[AirFlacco]

Sign him to a contract for what?
We hold his rights (not sure of how long that time frame is), so why invest money in someone you don't have to?
If he's not going to see the field, but you hold his signing rights, why not wait until further tests and evaluations are done down the road?

We've already invested and basically wasted a high draft pick with no return on that investment, and now we're going to waste $$ with no return as well?


Kruger?

:laugh:

[AirFlacco]

After reading the gibberish in Kindle's written statements, I question that that he has the ability to actually learn the playbook. :laugh:


Maybe that's why we're not hearing nothing.


:laugh:

[Moe the Crow]

Kindle Effed up. He hurt the team and the organization.

The Ravens can take the kid gloves off a little now that some time has passed. He's going to be okay, just maybe not football okay.

I think the Ravens are doing the right thing and being very frank about what happened to him. I think ahead of contract talks they need to publicly be up front about the situation and his condition.

The guy is of no value to us this year and may never be able to play. That should be the basis of ANY contract talks they will have with him. Optimism is great and everyone hopes he will be okay but this is business, not a charity. He and his agent need to know that the shiny optimism and "you can't turn your back on him he has a serious injury" stuff won't influence what they do in regards to any contract he gets.

[ChevVan75]

A very UN-lucky pick for Ravens......a shame.
He has a trail of Bad Luck that follows him....:ref:

[ravenwoman]

The Ravens are a very compassionate organization and even if there is only a remote chance that he will ever play again, they will sign him to a below minimum contract just to keep him in the loop with the team.

I am just guessing, but they could sign him to a $50,000 contract (a goodwill jesture) just to come in learn the playbook and work out with the team in a non-football way.

It is certainly better than nothing and the agent really doesn't have any leverage with the Ravens since the accident.

It is a shame that an incident like this could have such far reaching consequences. I wish him only the best. As far as the Ravens drafting him are concerned; they were put on notice about him and they gambled. Sometimes you win; sometimes you lose. Fortunately, we are deep in the LB corps and Sergio was more of a luxury player for us, at least initially.

[AirFlacco]

He was more than luxary. Put him on the edge next to JJ in a 3-4
with Cody next to Ngata and nothing stops them.

I was really excited to see him and he did well in the mini camps.

Ray said he loved the new guys we got on defense - meaning
Kindle and Cody.

[Dont Know]

The Ravens are a very compassionate organization and even if there is only a remote chance that he will ever play again, they will sign him to a below minimum contract just to keep him in the loop with the team.

I am just guessing, but they could sign him to a $50,000 contract (a goodwill jesture) just to come in learn the playbook and work out with the team in a non-football way.

It is certainly better than nothing and the agent really doesn't have any leverage with the Ravens since the accident.

I am not sure why he would want to do this unless he will never be allowed to play football again due to lingering effects of his injury.

He is eligble for the 2011 draft if he doesn't sign a contract with the Ravens. Sure, the agent doesn't have a great deal of leverage, but there is no reason for him to sign a contract worse than the one he would receive if drafted in 2011.

Surely his agent has gauged interest in him with regards to the 2011 draft. If not, he needs a new agent.

[Filmstudy]

It can be difficult to judge where a re-entrant will be selected, but I don't see any team taking a shot on him in the first 4 rounds. That would mean he's basically going to get a league minimum deal.

I'd defer to Bmore on this, but I don't see a reason to structure a deal for more than minimum for 4 years with some incentives.

[baltimore_hokie]

Update from ESPN:


The Baltimore Ravens and the team's top pick Sergio Kindle are negotiating a contract, according to sources close to the situation.


The talks are focusing on a one-year contract. Kindle needs to rehab and recover from the fractured skull he suffered this offseason when he fell down two flights of stairs.


Last week, Kindle flunked a physical with the Ravens when doctors detected he struggled with his balance and reactions. No one knows when he will be able to return and, in the iterim, Kindle has returned to Dallas.


"He's got some serious issues that he's dealing with. I think the chances of him playing this year are slim," Harbaugh told reporters in Baltimore. "We'll be very, very careful. The doctors will be very careful. Sergio will be very careful with that type of an injury."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5592028

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I don't know how he flunked a physical with our doctors when he wasn't allowed to be evaluated by Ravens officials/doctors. Maybe the doctors gave instructions to the doctors at Sinai to put him through the same tests they do in Owings Mills.

Anyway, I don't know why so many of you are against signing him. It isn't your money and it is likely a minimum contract. It also would allow him to actually come to Baltimore, rehab here with us and potentially Hopkins and integrate with the team so next year if he is able to play, he won't be starting from scratch. Seems like a no brainer here...

[Stealthbirds80]

New news on King Serg...



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/sergio-kindle-will-sign-mandatory-rookie-tender-as-soon-as-monday/

[RavenScallywag]

This Kindle situation is messy, and I am preparing to never see him in a Ravens uniform...

Basically, we are keeping him around to see if he can improve. If he can, he'll basically get the rookie minimum for a few years. If he can't, we just take the hit on losing a pretty high pick we were counting on.

For him, really, you just cost yourself MILLIONS of dollars. Literally.

[camdenyard]

First, he should take the league minumum and thank the Ravens.

Second, he should drop the "King Serg" BS. Be humble and stay out of trouble.

[Sua Sponte]

Kindle Update

Hopefully is not just blowing smoke, I would rather hear this from a coach or trainers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20101015_sergio_kindle_its_going_real_well

[baltimore_hokie]

This is exactly what we wanted him to do. He will be ahead of the rookies coming in next year, will have worked with an NFL strength and conditioning program for a year already, and should make an impact next year. He needed to add a lot of weight and strength, especially in his lower body, in order to be able to hold up against the run in the NFL. I would say he can add some explosiveness and be a situational pass rusher next year, and possibly a very valuable one. He is still at least a year from being the total package at OLB.

As for his thoughts on where is he at the moment, take anything he says with a grain of salt. I wouldn't call it "blowing smoke", he just seems very anxious to get back out there and play football. He's always going to be optimistic because he wants to get back out there. What else is he going to say?

[Dave Lap]

Kindle Effed up. He hurt the team and the organization.

The Ravens can take the kid gloves off a little now that some time has passed. He's going to be okay, just maybe not football okay.

I think the Ravens are doing the right thing and being very frank about what happened to him. I think ahead of contract talks they need to publicly be up front about the situation and his condition.

The guy is of no value to us this year and may never be able to play. That should be the basis of ANY contract talks they will have with him. Optimism is great and everyone hopes he will be okay but this is business, not a charity. He and his agent need to know that the shiny optimism and "you can't turn your back on him he has a serious injury" stuff won't influence what they do in regards to any contract he gets.

Maybe you should change your Simpson avatar to Mr. Burns? Just kidding, I know where you are coming from. let's hope he makes a full recovery and, if there's football next year, he'll dazzle us with his skills.