The Flacco INT

[ravensnhokies]

Don't know if this has been discussed b/c I had to catch up on all the work I didnt do yesterday...

The Flacco INT seemed to me that either Heap or Boldin ran the incorrect route, b/c where the ball was delivered, both could have been the intended receiver. To me, it looked like Flacco wanted Heap one on one in the corner and probably Boldin should have gone inside on his route to clear out the sideline area. Has anyone heard a clear description of what went wrong? I can't imagine the play was drawn up for both of them to be in that area at the same time drawing all those Jets pass defenders there.

[HoustonRaven]

The three white jerseys within 3 yards of the ball probably had a lot to do with it.

[RAVENOUS52]

The three white jerseys within 3 yards of the ball probably had a lot to do with it.

That's what I was thinkin, bro...

A case of good initiative, BAD judgement.:(

[TTRaven]

I think it was pretty clear that someone ran the wrong route. Flacco still should not have thrown the ball there.

[HoustonRaven]

I think it was pretty clear that someone ran the wrong route. Flacco still should not have thrown the ball there.

Huh???

It was a corner route.

The WR was in front of the end zone at the three.

Flacco threw it right at the WR who literally had three Jets players within 3 yards.

[ravensnhokies]

Watch the play again... Heap was in the area too. Obviously you don't have 2 receivers converging to the pass so somebody ran the wrong route...

Like I said, Flacco maybe threw the ball thinking Boldin cuts inside, thus clearing out the sideline, and then Heap has the sideline one on one. You can't always blame INT on the QBs if one receivers runs a wrong route. In the NFL, its throwing passes to areas before receivers make their cuts.

[Sua Sponte]

Watch the play again... Heap was in the area too. Obviously you don't have 2 receivers converging to the pass so somebody ran the wrong route...

Like I said, Flacco maybe threw the ball thinking Boldin cuts inside, thus clearing out the sideline, and then Heap has the sideline one on one. You can't always blame INT on the QBs if one receivers runs a wrong route. In the NFL, its throwing passes to areas before receivers make their cuts.

As soon as that play was over Gruden stated "I think Boldin ran the wrong route there Jaws, Boldin should have came across the middle to clear out for Heap.

Flacco still should have seen it, but I give him credit for chasing down a CB to save the TD, that might have changed the outcome. Instead Flac ran him out and Greene fumbled

[Galen Sevinne]

As soon as that play was over Gruden stated "I think Boldin ran the wrong route there Jaws, Boldin should have came across the middle to clear out for Heap.

Flacco still should have seen it, but I give him credit for chasing down a CB to save the TD, that might have changed the outcome. Instead Flac ran him out and Greene fumbled

I haven't heard anything but it was pretty obvious someone (most likely bolden) ran the wrong route. Just think about it... if bolden runs a post there he pulls his coverage guy an most likely the safety with him. It leaves Heap one on one with probably leaonard or a linebacker which is a matchup Flacco has to like. Flacco misread it or just tried to squeeze or in anyway. If the safety goes after Heap it leaves bolden one on one which is also a nice matchup. If bolden runs the wrong route it leaves a 3-2 matchup favoring the jets....obviously a poor matchup.

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[TTRaven]

Huh???

It was a corner route.

The WR was in front of the end zone at the three.

Flacco threw it right at the WR who literally had three Jets players within 3 yards.

No it wasn't a corner route. He came back out of the endzone towards the sideline. If it was a corner route he would have been coming back away from the sideline.

[Gwaihir]

I still can't believe Flacco ran down a CornerBack!

I remember in the off season, wondering why we didn't make a play on Cromartie. After seeing how he plays the run in that other thread, watching his Frank Walker-like performance last night, and then Flacco running him down, I guess I know why now!

[Sua Sponte]

I still can't believe Flacco ran down a CornerBack!

I remember in the off season, wondering why we didn't make a play on Cromartie. After seeing how he plays the run in that other thread, watching his Frank Walker-like performance last night, and then Flacco running him down, I guess I know why now!


That should make Berman's C'Mon Man list, a QB chasing down a CB.

[NC Raven]

Ravens' route combinations haven't been the most logical under Cam (not that they were under Cavanaugh... but I think that goes without saying). Heap got into one in the NE game in the playoffs last year where his man dropped off and picked one that was thrown underneath, right where Heap was crossing to.

Later in last night's game, on a 3d and short, Heap ran a short crossing route right into where Boldin was running a slant from the other side. I think the pass was knocked down, but it was a definite cluster-f over the middle.

Not picking on Heap -- he may have run the right route in each scenario, I have no idea what play was called, obviously. Just saying, I see a lot of this where the route combinations don't seem to establish a purpose in terms of clearing a specific man to free up a particular route, etc. And Flacco is guilty of not doing enough pump faking and head movement to freeze the secondary.

Put it together and what you have is some kinks to work out of the passing game.

[Endzone 84]

As soon as that play was over Gruden stated "I think Boldin ran the wrong route there Jaws, Boldin should have came across the middle to clear out for Heap.

Flacco still should have seen it, but I give him credit for chasing down a CB to save the TD, that might have changed the outcome. Instead Flac ran him out and Greene fumbled

You are correct it was a clear out for Heap. Boldin was suppose to clear to the middle to draw the double team, which would have left Heap in one on one coverage. If it was a corner route ( flag route) Boldin would have ran to the corner, not across and Heap would have came underneath. This is why it was a clear out

[Stealthbirds80]

I would say that the clear out was obvious on Boldin's part. There is never usually two WR's in the same area especially with a player like Boldin that draws two defenders. Pretty sure it was a mistake.

[StingerNLG]

The problem is that at least from the video, I don't see where Bolden is even close to heading for the middle. He breaks for the pylon with Cromartie on his left shoulder.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a83842/Cromartie-INT

Maybe Heap was supposed to cut in or something. Either way I am not sure Joe should have thrown the ball that way.

[TTRaven]

The problem is that at least from the video, I don't see where Bolden is even close to heading for the middle. He breaks for the pylon with Cromartie on his left shoulder.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a83842/Cromartie-INT

Maybe Heap was supposed to cut in or something. Either way I am not sure Joe should have thrown the ball that way.

After seeing that video it does look like a corner route. I still think someone ran the wrong route though.

[HoustonRaven]

The problem is that at least from the video, I don't see where Bolden is even close to heading for the middle. He breaks for the pylon with Cromartie on his left shoulder.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a83842/Cromartie-INT

Maybe Heap was supposed to cut in or something. Either way I am not sure Joe should have thrown the ball that way.

Agreed.

I understand why he threw that ball. He got, what he thought, was isolation but there were two other Jets players in the area.

[RavenScallywag]

the only thing that looks wrong by my eye is Flacco lofts it too much. A bullet likely is either a catch or an incomplete. But with the time he gave it, Cromartie had time to run in front of Boldin and make the grab.

At the point where Flacco threw it, Boldin was 1 on 1 with the DB

[ravensnhokies]

The touch pass means that it is intended for Heap, b/c Flacco would want to loft it over #33 Smith covering Heap 1 on 1. If Boldin was supposed to run an out and he was the intended receiver, Flacco would have bulleted the pass to him on the sidelines. I know people say Flacco probably shouldnt have thrown it, but he threw it very early b/c of the type of pass that was needed. Of course, Joe is assuming that Q was not going to cut there drawing both Cromartie & Leonhard with him. Chalk up the INT to everyone not being on the same page early in the season... Kudos to Joe for chasing Cromartie down.

[Carey]

I would say that the clear out was obvious on Boldin's part. There is never usually two WR's in the same area especially with a player like Boldin that draws two defenders. Pretty sure it was a mistake.

Yea i think so too, Leonard looked late on the play and had Boldin cleared out Cro i like our chances with Heap going up to make the catch over Eric Smith.

[Dave Lap]

It also looked to me that if Boldin came back to the ball he might have had it. I don't think he saw Cromartie until it was too late.

[AirFlacco]

As soon as that play was over Gruden stated "I think Boldin ran the wrong route there Jaws, Boldin should have came across the middle to clear out for Heap.




Ditto. Gruden said the receivers were supposed to criss cross and take out
those guys. Someone messed up the routes but Joe still should have
seen it.

Joe might have still been dazed from his sack.

[Sua Sponte]

Yeah as long as he is tackled right away, not 60 yards down field.