OT: Sidney Ponson Blasts Baltimore Fans

[TL24x7]

"They booed me when I was playing there. It doesn't bother me. Baltimore fans have no clue what baseball is all about," Ponson said. "The old Baltimore fans over on 33rd Street [Memorial Stadium], that's true baseball fans. "[The Camden Yards fans] were booing me the last two years. It doesn't matter. I could be pitching a good game and give up a run in the eighth and they would boo me. It doesn't hurt my feelings."


More here: Sir Sidney (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.connolly17mar17,0,3570295.column?coll=bal-sports-headlines)

Wonder if he's punched out a judge lately?

[bassgtrst]

I could be pitching a good game and give up a run in the eighth and they would boo me.

Yeah how many good games did Sidney ever pitch?? How many times did he even make it to the 8th inning??

What a POS.

[crazyraven]

Somebody had to say it. Kudos to Ponson. Sid is showing much knowledge.

[purplepoe]

Somebody had to say it. Kudos to Ponson. Sid is showing much knowledge.

What a joke.

Yankee fans are all class aren't they?

Yea, when Giambi was outed for using roids everyone wanted his ass out. Booed him. Wanted him sent down.

Then he started playing well and he was the darling again.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

PP

[F Angelos]

What a joke.

Yankee fans are all class aren't they?

Yea, when Giambi was outed for using roids everyone wanted his ass out. Booed him. Wanted him sent down.

Then he started playing well and he was the darling again.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

PP

Yankees fans hypocrites? Get right outta town! What does Sidney know about Memorial Stadium? The fans were better but the team was better. Coincidence? I doubt it.

[RavensNTerps]

Yankees fans hypocrites? Get right outta town! What does Sidney know about Memorial Stadium? The fans were better but the team was better. Coincidence? I doubt it.

this is just hilarious.

This would be the equivalent of Bam Morris complaining of being booed at Ravens stadium.

A very Trent Dilfer-like comment...blaming other factors for his sucking.

[festivus]

I dunno. From what I heard, he's met many, many O's fans at late night establishments in Fells Point, Canton, and downtown. You'd think a guy spending that much time "socializing" would know. :rolleyes:

[highwater]

Somebody had to say it. Kudos to Ponson. Sid is showing much knowledge.

Not a surprise that crazy would stick up for Posnon <insulted edited out>

[Sephy]

You put up with what, 6, 7, 8 years of suckitude, and you DON'T expect boos? F off Sidney.

[Luker218]

It's comical that Sidney Ponson would criticize anyone after the mistakes he has made over and over again. Imagine, people booing you when you're terrible. He commented about people booing if he gave up a run in the 8th inning. Wow, I can't even recall him having more than 1 or 2 games like that the last two seasons he was here.

He sucks at life.

[ravenmaniac]

Somebody had to say it. Kudos to Ponson. Sid is showing much knowledge.

You effing moron! Yankee fans continually boo the American league MVP and possibly the best player in baseball, Arod. Explain that.

[MoK55]

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[Losac]

Somebody had to say it. Kudos to Ponson. Sid is showing much knowledge.
You have now earned the title of king troll of this board.

Yankees fans are the most notorious for booing their own players. Hell, how long did ol' Sid last in the Bronx? 5 weeks?

I remember Yankee fans booing Rafael Palmeiro after the steroid scandal broke, and then turn around and cheer for Jason Giambi. Hypocrisy, anyone?

O's fans had every right to boo Sidney. He gets arrested for DUI twice in a span of a couple months, gets thrown in jail for punching a judge, and all the while can post no better than a 5.00 ERA.

Why don't you go back to booing ARod and preparing for next October's choke job?

[Bez513]

Ponson sucked here, he knows it. Baltimore fans are passionate and want a winning team. His off the field antics made things worse. He's a head case.

Hope he makes that team and we boo the hell out of him when he pitches.

[crazyraven]

Losac I like you even though you are a O's fan. So we have a difference of an opinion when it comes to the our taste in baseball. why go and call me a troll. This is a ravens board and for the most part I am 100% pro ravens.


Thanks to Baltimore the Yankees are in NY. Even back in the day when every thing was on a level playing field in terms of money, media etc Baltimore fans couldn't support their team. Thanks to you guys New York has seen championship after championship. Fast forward to the 80's and we see the Colts leaving town and this year we see them win the superbowl. Seems to me that the same stuff that happened in the past is going on in with the current O's. The owner is crying poverty. Home fans never show up and the fans that do show are from the opposing team etc etc. Now we have ex players making comments. Honestly though i don't care if you can support a a baseball team or not. What scares me is that at some point if the ravens stop winning will we be in the same situation as past Baltimore generations? Hopefully the PSL is a safety net for the real fans

Oh wait didn't the Bullets leave too.

Lets move on to Giambi.
Yea giambi was booed and cheered for his play on the field but so was mantle, Jackson, Scooter, Jeter too. So what? That's part of going to the game. Cheering booing etc. At least in New York.

The big difference You guys applauded Raffi for pointing his finger in the face of congress saying he didn't take steroids but then when testing comes back positive and you morons are giving him a standing O. That always bothers me about O's fans, they stand up and yell at the top of their lungs and scream...YEAH FOR CHEATING. You guys also did the same Roberto Alomar after he hurled a lewgie at the ump. Hypicrite? Yeah You guys are funny.


Anybody know what Highwater wrote? Typical cowardice move too. the guy probably said something that he would never say to anyones face.

[birdbrain]

What a drunken fool Ponson is...I saw him at Mr. Bill's Terrace Inn one night....dead of winter and this moron is there in shorts, slamming beers.....too funny...

[Rochardrik]

Losac I like you even though you are a O's fan. So we have a difference of an opinion when it comes to the our taste in baseball. why go and call me a troll. This is a ravens board and for the most part I am 100% pro ravens.


Thanks to Baltimore the Yankees are in NY. Even back in the day when every thing was on a level playing field in terms of money, media etc Baltimore fans couldn't support their team. Thanks to you guys New York has seen championship after championship. Fast forward to the 80's and we see the Colts leaving town and this year we see them win the superbowl. Seems to me that the same stuff that happened in the past is going on in with the current O's. The owner is crying poverty. Home fans never show up and the fans that do show are from the opposing team etc etc. Now we have ex players making comments. Honestly though i don't care if you can support a a baseball team or not. What scares me is that at some point if the ravens stop winning will we be in the same situation as past Baltimore generations? Hopefully the PSL is a safety net for the real fans

Oh wait didn't the Bullets leave too.

Lets move on to Giambi.
Yea giambi was booed and cheered for his play on the field but so was mantle, Jackson, Scooter, Jeter too. So what? That's part of going to the game. Cheering booing etc. At least in New York.

The big difference You guys applauded Raffi for pointing his finger in the face of congress saying he didn't take steroids but then when testing comes back positive and you morons are giving him a standing O. That always bothers me about O's fans, they stand up and yell at the top of their lungs and scream...YEAH FOR CHEATING. You guys also did the same Roberto Alomar after he hurled a lewgie at the ump. Hypicrite? Yeah You guys are funny.


Anybody know what Highwater wrote? Typical cowardice move too. the guy probably said something that he would never say to anyones face.

How old are you, crazyraven?... 10? or 12? You have the whole picture completely convoluded. This owner has been the worst owner, meddling.. even worse than the Devil, himself(Steinbrenner)! During the 60's and 70's the O's were the ONLY team with a lifetime winning record against the Yanks. The fans have supported the team continually, 'til the current owner started trying to run the team, and blows it.... Albert Belle, and all the other has-beens... Ponson for one, Sosa for another. The fans are NOT the problem. The owner, and the yankees overblown spending , though, ARE!!:insane:

[Losac]

Losac I like you even though you are a O's fan. So we have a difference of an opinion when it comes to the our taste in baseball. why go and call me a troll. This is a ravens board and for the most part I am 100% pro ravens.


Thanks to Baltimore the Yankees are in NY. Even back in the day when every thing was on a level playing field in terms of money, media etc Baltimore fans couldn't support their team. Thanks to you guys New York has seen championship after championship. Fast forward to the 80's and we see the Colts leaving town and this year we see them win the superbowl. Seems to me that the same stuff that happened in the past is going on in with the current O's. The owner is crying poverty. Home fans never show up and the fans that do show are from the opposing team etc etc. Now we have ex players making comments. Honestly though i don't care if you can support a a baseball team or not. What scares me is that at some point if the ravens stop winning will we be in the same situation as past Baltimore generations? Hopefully the PSL is a safety net for the real fans

Oh wait didn't the Bullets leave too.

Lets move on to Giambi.
Yea giambi was booed and cheered for his play on the field but so was mantle, Jackson, Scooter, Jeter too. So what? That's part of going to the game. Cheering booing etc. At least in New York.

The big difference You guys applauded Raffi for pointing his finger in the face of congress saying he didn't take steroids but then when testing comes back positive and you morons are giving him a standing O. That always bothers me about O's fans, they stand up and yell at the top of their lungs and scream...YEAH FOR CHEATING. You guys also did the same Roberto Alomar after he hurled a lewgie at the ump. Hypicrite? Yeah You guys are funny.


Anybody know what Highwater wrote? Typical cowardice move too. the guy probably said something that he would never say to anyones face.

*sigh*

You are talking about Oriole fans for giving Raffy a standing O when he came back from suspension? I remember a few fans doing that, but about half the stadium was booing him too. And they continued to boo him until the end. Yankee fans gave Giambi a thundering standing ovation on his first game back after he was proven to be a cheater and liar. Don't play the steroid card when you and your fans continue to cheer for one of the game's exposed roid-heads.

The Orioles have had 9 straight losing seasons. Nine. No matter what team or what city, attendance is going to drop.

[ExiledRaven]

Sir Sidney embarrassed the team and the city. I don't understand why he thinks we should be giving him a warm and fuzzy reception.

[Mobtown Matt]

Even back in the day when every thing was on a level playing field in terms of money, media etc Baltimore fans couldn't support their team.
They didn't move because of lack of support. Way to not know the history of your own bandwagon team.

[highwater]

You have now earned the title of king troll of this board.

Rack that.


Why don't you go back to booing ARod and preparing for next October's choke job?

And rack that too.

[crazyraven]

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Last edited by Greg : 03-17-2007 at 09:50 PM

Rack that

...lewed remarks and temper tantrums should not be tolerated on this board. If you wouldnt say it to somebodies face, dont say it all. Highwater cant control himself, he has no self control. How sad.

[highwater]

...lewed remarks and temper tantrums should not be tolerated on this board.

Lewed remarks (?) and temper tantrums (at least you managed to spell that correctly)? Losac correctly called you out as a troll and I agreed. I don't see how that qualifies as a temper tantrum.



If you wouldnt say it to somebodies face, dont say it all. Highwater cant control himself, he has no self control. How sad.

LOL at all of the above -- I would have no problem saying anything to your face, not that I have any desire to meet you. I really don't know why you are on this board. If you simply want to be a troll, go back to the other board. I'm sure they'll be thirlled to hear about how you are too busy to remove ice from the roof of your car.

[festivus]

I wasn't going to bring it up, but now that the subject has come up again. . .

I was driving along on a sunny day yesterday and suddenly had to perform evasive maneuvers on 695, with my son in the car, because some a-hole in a pickup hadn't cleared his roof.

edit: a freakin **pickup**!! How long would that take? 30 seconds, if it's icy? Crazy, do you drive a pickup?

[crazyraven]

Crazy, do you drive a pickup?
Wasnt me I drive a lexus but I understand your confusion. It does sound like something Id do.


I have any desire to meet you

I dont believe that and it make me laugh because after every post I write you seem to have something to say every single time. You did the same over on the other board. Admit it. you are crazyraven groupie. Groupies are cool.

[purplepoe]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/yankatte.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/

Funny how those attendance numbers made quite a large jump just as the team starting winning and making the playoffs.

And remember, the Yankees draw from a larger pool of potential patrons.

Yankee fans aren't any different than any other fans. They flock to the stadium when the team is winning.

When the team loses, not as many go.

This whole myth about being the "best" fans is hilarious.

PP

[crazyraven]

And remember, the Yankees draw from a larger pool of potential patrons

Lets not forget about where it is. You make it sound as if Yankee staduim is in the heart of Manhatten Where People are choosing between Hockey, Baseketball, Broadway, the statue of liberty or the effing circle line Cruises. No, the yanks are in the roughest part of the bronx at the end of the line of the subway system. Lets put this way if your coming from Brooklyn or Queens your screwed. Please dont get me started about the ride out if you drive in. If you have lot H parking tickets for ravens games this is pretty much the ride out at Yankee staduim. Thank god for rudy because it used to be that your car would squeegied by the guys hustling for a buck.

[purplepoe]

Lets not forget about where it is. You make it sound as if Yankee staduim is in the heart of Manhatten Where People are choosing between Hockey, Baseketball, Broadway, the statue of liberty or the effing circle line Cruises. No, the yanks are in the roughest part of the bronx at the end of the line of the subway system. Lets put this way if your coming from Brooklyn or Queens your screwed. Please dont get me started about the ride out if you drive in. If you have lot H parking tickets for ravens games this is pretty much the ride out at Yankee staduim. Thank god for rudy because it used to be that your car would squeegied by the guys hustling for a buck.

Nice dodge.

The fact is this.

When the Yankees were losing, the attendance numbers were down.

When they started winning, they jumped.

Just like every other fanbase.

PP

[crazyraven]

Dodge? Hardly.

The fact is they still get people in there with all the other stuff going on in the city, even in the bad times or losing seasons. The Yanks are so sure of attendance and the fan base that they are willing to Build a new ball park right across from the old one using there own money. They are sure of attendance and the fan base that they built a successful network that can be seen anywhere in the World. Dont let me get started on merchandising, they are brilliant in that area.

Even still if the attendance is down in the Bronx due to a losing record Think about all the yankee fans who visit throughout the country, I dont have to tell you, you see your staduim taken over 10 or so times a year by guys like me. :patriot:


Hell the Yanks are global, they even have a huge fan base in Japan.

[camdenyard]

Even still if the attendance is down in the Bronx due to a losing record Think about all the yankee fans who visit throughout the country, I dont have to tell you, you see your staduim taken over 10 or so times a year by guys like me

I know what you mean, but it's hard to tell a Yankee fan from a hip hop lemming. They both wear the same crap, both generally act like morons.

[crazyraven]

Intersting, arent lemmings sometimes black and orange? :grbac:
http://www.arconet.es/users/marta/lemming.jpg

[festivus]

:laugh:

:troll:

[crazyraven]

no need to put the troll icon on after every time I post. I am willingly adding it to my signature. I'll run that image into the ground.

[festivus]

Not every post. Just some of the especially troll-like ones, in which it looks like you are being provocative just to be a nuisance.
Glad you like it, though. :thumbup:

[crazyraven]

I like that image.


in which it looks like you are being provocative just to be a nuisance.

The Ice thing, I completely agree, I'm definitely being provocative, for sure....Everything else is just a difference of opinion.

[purplepoe]

I like that image.



The Ice thing, I completely agree, I'm definitely being provocative, for sure....Everything else is just a difference of opinion.

Wrong.

The Yankees attendance numbers were down when they were losing and jumped significantly when they began to win.

Those are facts, not an opinion.

You simply make excuses for your team but scoff at the excuses others make about the Orioles.

It's typical and not surprising.

PP

[crazyraven]

Those are facts, not an opinion.
Really? If you look at the attendence record you link us too it shows that the Yankees season average is greater than the AL League avg since 1920. Yes there was a little drop off in attendance from 91-95 but it wasnt signifacant (I could easily blame the strike for the drop) and things have changed for the better. The yankees havent won anything in the past few years yet they are drawing over 4 mil for 2 years...care to explain that? .

[camdenyard]

Really? If you look at the attendence record you link us too it shows that the Yankees season average is greater than the AL League avg since 1920.

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that New York is the largest city in the US and has 17 million in its metro area to draw from?

Naw, couldn't be that.

[crazyraven]

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that New York is the largest city in the US and has 17 million in its metro area to draw from



The thing is the Yankees with their pinstripes, history, and there clean cut image on the field are embraced by not just New Yorkers, but by the entire country (even Japan). The Mets are in New York and don't have the same type of success or fans. The Giants and Dodgers played in New York, tell me how that worked out for them. Just because a team is surrounded by a city with large numbers of people it can't be assume that they will be successful. Seriously it absolutely retarded to think that the yankees draw well only because they have a large body of potential customers.

In other words, and to be clear, you can't put say the Nationals or the Marlins in New york and expect people to go to the games the way they do for the Yanks. The Yankees sell a brand that is different from any professional team in the world.

You dont like it because you dont think its fair that they are good and people like to go to their game. It has nothing to do with a pool of 17 million people. Actually the pool is larger than that if you count outside of New york.

[purplepoe]

Really? If you look at the attendence record you link us too it shows that the Yankees season average is greater than the AL League avg since 1920. Yes there was a little drop off in attendance from 91-95 but it wasnt signifacant (I could easily blame the strike for the drop) and things have changed for the better. The yankees havent won anything in the past few years yet they are drawing over 4 mil for 2 years...care to explain that? .

You are so blind to reality it's hilarious.

Excuse after excuse.

The Yankees have won the division NINE straight seasons.

And before you say it (you know, the BS about how only WS matter to NY) don't bother.

The fact that the team has made the playoffs every season since 1995 shows that the team is winning.

And THAT is why you draw big attendence numbers.

PP

[purplepoe]

The thing is the Yankees with their pinstripes, history, and there clean cut image on the field are embraced by not just New Yorkers, but by the entire country (even Japan). The Mets are in New York and don't have the same type of success or fans. The Giants and Dodgers played in New York, tell me how that worked out for them. Just because a team is surrounded by a city with large numbers of people it can't be assume that they will be successful. Seriously it absolutely retarded to think that the yankees draw well only because they have a large body of potential customers.

In other words, and to be clear, you can't put say the Nationals or the Marlins in New york and expect people to go to the games the way they do for the Yanks. The Yankees sell a brand that is different from any professional team in the world.

You dont like it because you dont think its fair that they are good and people like to go to their game. It has nothing to do with a pool of 17 million people. Actually the pool is larger than that if you count outside of New york.


Dude.

Nobody is arguing the success of the Yankees. I don't like them because they are the Yankees.

You can't seem to realize this point.

The Yankees are wildly popular in Japan and draw big in other stadiums because they win year in and year out.

Not because they are the Yankees.

If they win, they draw well.

If they don't, they don't draw nearly as well.

It's really that simple.

PP

[crazyraven]

The fact that the team has made the playoffs every season since 1995 shows that the team is winning.


The team has been winning for years, Their attendance has been above average for years except for the years i pointed out. Even when there is a lull people still go. Where are the excuses

These are your stats not mine so you are either stubborn or thick.

[crazyraven]

Dude.

Nobody is arguing the success of the Yankees. I don't like them because they are the Yankees.

You can't seem to realize this point

PP Camden came on here and said that the Yankees attendance record is the due to the amount of people in NY.

I said the yankees have a winning tradition for years and have a history that people enjoy and want to see. heck you posted the very things I wrote. then you say I dont realize the point...come on.

[ravenmaniac]

frontrunnercrazyraven,

You actually have no clue about baltimore and its history. you have no clue as to what happened with the Colts. They were one of the most supported football franchises around up until about seven years after Irsay took over. You DO know that he actively shopped them to AZ, Tenn, Indy and Jacksonville WHILE they were playing here don't you? You do know that he fired coaches at halftime don't you? YOu are a prime example of a front running NY fan. You latched on to the Ravens once they started winning and made them your team. How come you aren't a Jets or Giants fan? Coming on here and agreeing with a whiny drunk who wore out his welcome after 3 DUIs, assaulting a judge, showing up to camp overweight and hungover for years, even after signing a $21million deal is just typical of a no nothing front runner. The Yankees have spent $1 billion over the last five yrs and have no rings to show for it. There is no parity in baseball when one team gets $50 million per yr in tv revenue while the rest of the league averages less than 10% of that. THIS is why the Yankees win and get the best players. Typical NY fans base their own pride/ego on their baseball team rather than their own personal acheivements and accomplishments. They did nothing to put these winning teams on the field. It certainly isn't their attendance that is paying these salaries. Its the unfair and imbalanced tv revenue streams that is making "America's pasttime" unwatchable. Every yr this sport loses its luster. Less and less kids are plyaing little league or even watching it. Unless there is a hard salary cap like in other more successful sports, see NFL, baseball's popularity will continue to spiral downward. ENjoy another season of no championship.

[TheOrioleWay]

"You latched on to the Ravens once they started winning and made them your team."

ravenmaniac: Small correction to your stellar post. crazyraven is a Ravens fan for the sole reason that he couldn't procure Redskins tickets when he moved to this area from The Rotten Apple. He's admitted it, and if he refutes it in his inevitable instant reply, he's lying (again).

You guys are wasting your time arguing with this neophyte.....always a lame rhetorical reply. The last time I heard from him was his torrential meltdown on the other board on 10/7/06, and we all know what happened on that date!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[crazyraven]

ravenmaniac take a drink of water. sit down and shut up.

I'm a new yorker and results driven. The O's left Baltimore once and became the Yankees, The colts left the area for Indy, and the Bullets well became the wizards. You guys cant hold on to a team and that's why I had to pay a damn surcharge (PSL) so that I can go to a damn football game. Are the o's leaving, time will tell.

You guys are bad fans. You MF'er even booed boller when he was hurt. Cheer on Almar when he spit on an ump. You can blame everything and anything on the Yankees, maybe even the red sox for your shortcummings. When you cant do that you blame the Owners. Its all excuses. Ravenmaniac being sucn a historian you should know you cant buy a championship as your floundering owner has demonstrated in the past. In recent years look up the road, Even with Gibbs, Danny's cant buy a championship and he buys players too.

I am still a Jets fan. I love football so much I took on the Baltimore ravens as my team. While Baltimore was still wrestling with the idea 2 years after being in town (keep in mind they had an entirely new staduim) I love football so much I bought tickets, and there were some still available. Now you cant get shit? Why because the Ravens are winning. Frontrunners are in Baltimore. Like I said before it would be scary if there wasnt a psl. Yes TOW is right If the skins had tickets Id be a fan of there team. Its no secret....So what.


ENjoy another season of no championship
Enjoy your season in the basement. :laugh:

[B-more Ravor]

The O's left Baltimore once and became the Yankees.....

That was 100 years ago, do you think that has ANY relevance to today?!?!?


....... that's why I had to pay a damn surcharge (PSL) so that I can go to a damn football game.

I guess you do know that many teams have PSLs these days, don't you?

Most team with new stadiums have PSLs. Welcome to today's NFL. It has nothing to do with Baltimore.

[ravenmaniac]

Come back when you have a clue about Baltimore and sports. NY'rs are fantastic fans thats why the Giants are in SF and the Dodgers are in LA right? The Orioles that left in 1903 left because Baltimore couldn't support them? Thats what you have come up with? Do some research boy and then you can talk.

[Gwaihir]

Frankly, I think anyone that gets involved with Baseball is a complete Moron. The Owners & Players can't even get together and decide how much they can rip off the fans for! I used to be totally in to Baseball. I was in 5 different Roto Leagues, at one point it felt like I owned everyone in the AL, and went to about 30-35 Oriole games a year. This all came to a crashing halt when they canceled the World Series. I don't even remember what year it was, but I decided right then and there I would never go to another game or follow Baseball at all! If the Players & Owners are going to be that selfish and disrespectful to the fans F--- THEM!! Let them buy their own tickets and watch themselves play on TV. I just really wish the whole sport would just go away!

[crazyraven]

NY'rs are fantastic fans thats why the Giants are in SF and the Dodgers are in LA right?

Dude the point seems to be flying right over your head, We are talking about YANKEE FANS. It has nothing to do with New york or the millions that live there. I thought I made that clear about 5 or six post ago.

I'll say it again... in other words....if the yankees went under today, went bankrupt, or whatever and another team came into NY they would never ever have the same success.



That was 100 years ago, do you think that has ANY relevance to today?!?!?
I cant be the only person seeing the irony of a baltimore team becoming the Yankees.



I guess you do know that many teams have PSLs these days, don't you?
Washington has a new staduim, yet they dont have PSL's. You know why? They have a 20 year wait list, the ravens have a mere 1000 people waiting for seats. Again you got love those rapid baltimore football fans.

[Sephy]

This is why people hate New York.

[highwater]

Come back when you have a clue about Baltimore and sports.

In other words, you're telling him to leave forever, right? Because it doesn't look like this troll will EVER have a clue about Baltimore and sports.

[B-more Ravor]

I cant be the only person seeing the irony of a baltimore team becoming the Yankees.

Yes, there is irony to it, but it has no relevance when trying to use it as if it means anything today regarding fans supporting their team.



Washington has a new staduim, yet they dont have PSL's. You know why? They have a 20 year wait list, the ravens have a mere 1000 people waiting for seats. Again you got love those rapid baltimore football fans.

Gee, OK, you found one. Congrats. Now, what about all of the others? Again, PSLs are the norm, not the exception these days. It has nothing to do with Baltimore. It has nothing to do with Baltimore losing the Colts - which what I was taking issue with.

Now, instead of dodging and going on tangents, how about addressing what I was saying.

[crazyraven]

B-more Ravor You are a true Ravens fan I know that. You you are probably only one of the true members from the insane Asylum and I realize that it hurts when its brought up that the colts left or that Indy has a championship. The fact is the Colts left. regardless of why, it happened. They were part of Baltimore. Cleveland at least fought for its colors and history. I know it left a hole in a lot of the real fans who i speak to on Sundays.





Now, instead of dodging and going on tangents, how about addressing what I was saying.
100 years ago means nothing I was talking about the irony or the o's leaving and then becoming the Yankees. The fact is you were only a one sport town for a very long time and now people are bitching about the O's kind of like the way they did with the colts. its jmho



In other words, you're telling him to leave forever, right? Because it doesn't look like this troll will EVER have a clue about Baltimore and sports.

HW is so funny, seriously he is. the fool cant get me out of his head..you have to see what he wrote in my reputation..poor guy is love sick with me.

Btw speaking of reputution responses...keep em coming.

[highwater]

you have to see what he wrote in my reputation..

Please stop lying -- I haven't written anything about anyone's rep.

Welcome to my ignore list, loser. <plonk>

[festivus]

HW is so funny, seriously he is. the fool cant get me out of his head..you have to see what he wrote in my reputation..poor guy is love sick with me.

Observe this troll-like behavior, here in his natural habitat.

This comment is obviously (a) inflammatory and (b) unprovable, making it perfect for the troll. The point is to elicit either a denial, which Highwater has graciously provided, or someone pointing out the obvious - you can't tell who leaves you reputation comments. The troll knows this, and anticipates hostile or outraged responses.

Veterans and respected members of the community nevertheless play this cat and mouse game with him, because this troll, unlike most, has learned to camouflage in his environment. Still the troll-like arguments - ad hominem attacks, false analogies, and conclusory statements - are in abundance.

An interesting case study. Perhaps if members of the community continue to feed the troll, we will learn more about its behavior.

:watching:

[B-more Ravor]

B-more Ravor You are a true Ravens fan I know that. You you are probably only one of the true members from the insane Asylum and I realize that it hurts when its brought up that the colts left or that Indy has a championship. The fact is the Colts left. regardless of why, it happened. They were part of Baltimore. Cleveland at least fought for its colors and history. I know it left a hole in a lot of the real fans who i speak to on Sundays.

Sorry, to disappoint you, but I could care less about the Colts winning the SB. Once we won ours first, nothing the Colts do now matters to me (other than when they play the Ravens).

That said, what is bothersome is when people make uninformed comments without really knowing the history of the matter, so let's not get started with the "Cleveland fought for their colors and history" and Baltimore didn't. Otherwise, you are just showing your lack of knowledge about what did go on. Baltimore did fight, but times were different - no fax machines, no internet, no message boards, limited ESPN, no CNNSI, no FoxSports, no teary in-season farewell, etc. While in no way discounting the Cleveland fans' response, and we'll never know if Baltimore could have, at least, kept it's colors, etc, I would have liked to have had many of the advantages the Cleveland fans had back in 1983.

Also, Baltimore was fighting, but agreed to drop their lawsuits based on Rozelle's promise that Baltimore would get an expansion team the next time around (Rozelle said that letting the Colts leave Baltimore was his 2nd biggest mistake as Commish - behind playing after Kennedy's death). Unfortunately, Tags didn't feel it necessary to honor his predecessor's promise.

Lastly, Baltimore did not want Cleveland's colors or history. There were simply a bargaining chip that Modell decided to leave in Cleveland. There is nothing that Cleveland could have done to keep them. No Court of law would have forced Modell to leave them.

As far as the O's and Yankees go, please don't tell me that Yankee attendence wouldn't fall drastically if they had 9 straight almost unbearable season like the O's have had. It would, it's the nature of the beast, especially these days.

[Mobtown]

Observe this troll-like behavior, here in his natural habitat.

This comment is obviously (a) inflammatory and (b) unprovable, making it perfect for the troll. The point is to elicit either a denial, which Highwater has graciously provided, or someone pointing out the obvious - you can't tell who leaves you reputation comments. The troll knows this, and anticipates hostile or outraged responses.

Veterans and respected members of the community nevertheless play this cat and mouse game with him, because this troll, unlike most, has learned to camouflage in his environment. Still the troll-like arguments - ad hominem attacks, false analogies, and conclusory statements - are in abundance.

An interesting case study. Perhaps if members of the community continue to feed the troll, we will learn more about its behavior.

:watching:



We have room here at the Aquarium if 24/7 observation is required.

[purplepoe]

The point is so elementary.

The Yankees draw alot more fans when they are winning.

It's just like any other teams' fans.

PP

[crazyraven]

The point is so elementary.

The Yankees draw alot more fans when they are winning.

If it was so elementary why cant the braves sell out playoff games, They win all the time too ya know.

Why cant you admit that the yankee draw at home and away because of yankee mystic tradition and history. Is winning a factor? Sure I think its part of the equation that makes up the yankees but its not the only thing.


The point is to elicit either a denial, which Highwater has graciously provided, or someone pointing out the obvious - you can't tell who leaves you reputation comments. The troll knows this, and anticipates hostile or outraged responses.

Where were you festivus when highwater called me a name that had to be edited by the moderator, it was an unprovoked attack, as it is most of the time. He still hasn't fest up or even apologized for what he said. The guy is gutless and wont man up. HW should reveal what he said to CrazyRaven in a PM and make nice with crazy, after all he is in love with me.

Honestly I dont think anyone is buying that he put Crazy on his ignore list.



Veterans and respected members of the community nevertheless play this cat and mouse game with him, because this troll, unlike most, has learned to camouflage in his environment.

No real comment on this other than this is pretty good, I choked on my snapple when i read it. Kudos. :thumbup:

[festivus]

Thanks!

You are the vinegar in the pantry, Crazy. Unpleasant, and I'm sure there's a reason you're there, I just can't think of what it is. ;)

I actually saw what was edited out of Highwater's post, so, where was I? I was here. I read it. It was pretty much what I'd expect someone to write about someone who went around trying to piss everyone off.

Cheers! :)

[crazyraven]

It was pretty much what I'd expect someone to write about someone who went around trying to piss everyone off

So praising ponson is considered "trying to piss everyone off". Remember I just said Kudos.

Ponson was booed. If i remember correctly the same Posters who were pissed off at that fans who were booing boller at training camp are now OK with booing, that is as long as Ponson is no longer with the team.

Look I didn't attack anyone and I haven't hurled any expletives at one person. But yea I know, when you agree with someone its funny but when you dont they are a troll. Gotcha :thumbup:

By the way when you mix cayeanne pepper with vinigar you get Hot sauce.

[camdenyard]

So praising ponson

What the hell has this assw*pe done to deserve praise?

Can you think of anything at all?

And you wonder why you have next to no credibility?

[crazyraven]

Can you think of anything at all?

I just point to the orginal reason why I praised him in this thread.


"They booed me when I was playing there. It doesn't bother me. Baltimore fans have no clue what baseball is all about," Ponson said.

Booing suck and I feel he is right.

[Rochardrik]

The team has been winning for years, Their attendance has been above average for years except for the years i pointed out. Even when there is a lull people still go. Where are the excuses

These are your stats not mine so you are either stubborn or thick.

This is without a doubt the most pointless post I ever read! The Yankees have 12 million people to draw from, if you include the periphery, Baltimore has 2 million, if you count a radius of 70 miles, which is a stretch!. When the Yankees languish, it just gives the fans who never get to go, a chance, since the season ticket holders tend to go less when they are not winning! It's just appalling that you would think you have an argument here! It's also appalling that any one who is not a NYer would be a fan.! Bandwagoners, all!!!!! The team spends more than twice what almost ALL other teams even take in, through all revenue streams, and cause all other teams to be inventive, catch lightning in a bottle, or just flat out get lucky enough to be competitive! And then there is the world's most unlikeable disgruntled owner!
For me, I'd rather be dead than in pinstripes!!!!:hammer:

[Rochardrik]

I just point to the orginal reason why I praised him in this thread.



Booing suck and I feel he is right.
Then why do you yankee fans boo the world's BEST player?
We booed a bum, because he was a bum... Bad work ethic, dwi's, poor performance, disdain for us, etc.:rolleyes:
I'm dumbfounded by your gall!

[Losac]

Booing suck and I feel he is right.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Are you kidding me?

Yankee fans are the most notorious (next to Eagles fans) for booing their own players. Bronx cheer, anyone?

Ponson was a drunk who was arrested 3 times in a span of a year, and sucked it up on the field. He would have been ridden out of New York on a rail if he did that crap with the Yankees.

[flraven]

I believe Sir Sid did a stint with the Yanks last season, but wasn't there long. Here's hoping the O's get to face him in the season-opening series (if the Twins don't cut him) and pound his pitches into the seats.

[highwater]

Yes, Ponson was with the Yankees for about five minutes last year before they shipped his fat ass out of town. He didn't cut it with the Cardinals last year either. The Twins must be desperate for pitching if they keep him. The guy just doesn't seem to take his profession seriously -- he was frequently overweight and out of shape when he was here.

I've don't think I've ever booed a player but I have no sympathy for Ponson -- he was a slacker, a law-breaker and a liar. After he got tossed in the clink for getting into a fight with that judge, he claimed he was a changed man, and then about a week later he got arrested again for another DUI. And didn't even tell the team about it. What a dope.

[mavhimself]

this is hilarious that sir sidney is talking about us being bad fans for booing him. hey sir sid, if you had got your fat ass in shape and took some time to be an actual baseball player instead of doing a bluto blutarsky impression, maybe you wouldn't get booed!

[TheOrioleWay]

I just point to the orginal reason why I praised him in this thread.



Booing suck and I feel he is right.



http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9659269/1

[purplepoe]

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9659269/1

Finally a writer steps up and writes the truth.

PP

[crazyraven]

Finally a writer steps up and writes the truth.
Many fans around the league were all over A-rod when he became a Yankee, or as they called him--Pay-rod. We heard all kinds of things like "How dare they pair him with such a great team."

But thats ok, Yankee fans gave him a chance.

The funny thing is guys like TheOrioleWay are infamous for doing this sort of thing. They Beat the guy down first because he is a Yankee then when the guy plays like shit (for the yankees) he then tries to start portraying a-rod (or whoever) as if he was a sacrificial lamb. Meanwhile TOW already has a t-shirt with A-rod in a Yankees uniform with a bullseye on his forehead or in some compromising position in his top dresser draw.

Give me a break, Arod hasn't won anything for anyone. He gets paid big bucks and plays well but he isn't even a difference maker. Sorry if we great fans have high standards. Win a title already.

[B-more Ravor]

The funny thing is guys like TheOrioleWay are infamous for doing this sort of thing. They Beat the guy down first because he is a Yankee then when the guy plays like shit (for the yankees) he then tries to start portraying a-rod (or whoever) as if he was a sacrificial lamb.

Is that any different than praising the guy like he's the final piece of the puzzle - as many Yankee fans thought when ARod was acquired - but now booing him when he's not All-World and saying he's "played like shit" - when he's played far better than that - because he hasn't been the difference (which has not been his fault)? ;)