Glass Jaw Gaither

[Losac]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/10/harbaugh_clock_is_ticking_on_jared_gaither.html

Now he's had ANOTHER setback and is going to see another specialist for an opinion. Ravens' doctors can't find anything wrong and now he's not practicing because of "soreness".

He's milking this to protest the move to RT. Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. They should IR him and try to sign another tackle off the scrap heap because all he's doing is wasting a roster spot.

[HoustonRaven]

Jared Haynesworth. This has to be deliberate on his part.

Screw em'.

[BaltimoreBoh]

I saw Gaither in the grocery store a few weeks ago and asked him how his back was doing (I know he isn't going to be honest with me as these guys are trained not to discuss injuries). He laughed almost as if it was a joke and said it's fine. I find it hard to believe that he was ever injured. He just seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder.

His work ethic sucks! It's obvious that Harbs is growing tired of this. He said the clock is ticking with the decision to put him on IR. At this point he is hurting this team by taking up a roster spot. Put him on IR to make room for the next man up!

My question is what's going on with Cousins? I thought the coaches had a lot of faith in him, but they have been going with Yanda instead. He isn't on the injury report, so what's up with him???

[NCRAVEN]

What a tool. Get his lazy ass outta B-more.

[RavenScallywag]

the latest Doctor's observation said whatever back issue was there is not there anymore...

Maybe the Jets want an OT now too?

[NCRAVEN]

the latest Doctor's observation said whatever back issue was there is not there anymore...

Maybe the Jets want an OT now too?

Maybe we can trade him for Pryce?

[RavenScallywag]

Don't want Pryce anymore...

I'd be happy to get anything for Gaither now. He's not even worth the 5th round pick we couldn't get for Troy.

[UKRavenGordon]

Nah let's just cut him. Then he can sign with the Jets, seeing as all our guys are desperate to be with Rex again....

[NCRAVEN]

Don't want Pryce anymore...

I'd be happy to get anything for Gaither now. He's not even worth the 5th round pick we couldn't get for Troy.

Sorry forgot this :261695: in my previous post.

[StingerNLG]

I'm still sticking with my prediction that he gets IR'd. I just don't see this getting resolved.

They aren't going to just cut him at this point though. I would think the union would hitch about it without an injury settlement.

[Sua Sponte]

I sure hope Harewood is taking notes studying his ass off and learning technique, firguring the level of college he came from he was behind the power curve unlike Oher, so hopefully one year of work and next year he should atleast be able to produce like Oher's rookie season, which was fine on the right side. He was already a mauler at run blocking, he was plowing guys in pre-season

[purplepoe]

I guess the countless medical institution in Baltimore and DC don't have a "specialist" willing to make something up.

It's time to forget about Gaither contributing this season.

The issue as I see it is the shocking lack of OT depth on this team. Gaither has been down since Aug. 5th and yet the Ravens had to move Yanda to RT and insert Chester into the lineup.

We all know that hurts the line in more than one way. Yanda is clearly a fantastic guard who is playing out of position. Chester is a big downgrade from Yanda and has played pretty poorly this season.

This falls on the front office IMO. To not have any viable player to play tackle besides your starting guard is alarming. Cousins and Moll are on the team and are natural tackles yet they cannot sniff the field.

What happens if Oher or Yanda goes down?

It's a bad situation and while Gaither and his BS drama have caused alot of it, the fact that we had and have no viable backup OT certainly complicates matters.

PP

[CJ__]

I really would like more information on the supposed meeting the Ravens setup between Gaither and Zeus.

Allegedly, Zeus was brought in to pep talk him or set him straight on the realities of the NFL, whichever you prefer. According to the story, Zeus left the meeting "enraged".

I bet those details surface at some point, probably after Gaither is long gone though.

[ravenjoe]

Trade him to the team with the worse W-L record for an undisclosed draft pick. Lazy, inefiicient, F---Off....

[NCRAVEN]

Normally I root for the player vs. a franchise/league, but in this case I say do whatever possible to make sure he has a short a career making as little money as possible.

All signs point to Gaither being one lazy POS.

[ActualSpamBot]

All signs point to Gaither being one lazy POS.

But Ozzie and Harbs sure are dumbasses for moving Oher to Left tackle right? I mean, that's what people like jonboy have been saying since the start of the offseason. Surely Gaither would be working his ass off if he was our LT right?

[HoustonRaven]

But Ozzie and Harbs sure are dumbasses for moving Oher to Left tackle right? I mean, that's what people like jonboy have been saying since the start of the offseason. Surely Gaither would be working his ass off if he was our LT right?

Thread win!

[Mr.Boh]

I really would like more information on the supposed meeting the Ravens setup between Gaither and Zeus.

Allegedly, Zeus was brought in to pep talk him or set him straight on the realities of the NFL, whichever you prefer. According to the story, Zeus left the meeting "enraged".

I bet those details surface at some point, probably after Gaither is long gone though.
Source on this? In no way doubting you, but that is one interesting rumor I would like to spread further if I get a source better than "a guy on message board said..."

[Brtnder81]

after we play the Steelers I think its time for the Ravens to move Yanda back to RG and either put Cousins or Moll at RT and give them a few weeks to get better vs average defenses. We play the Broncos, Patriots, Bills, Dolphins, Falcons, Panthers, Bucs, than Steelers. that would give the new RT 7 games experience vs Avg to slightly above Avg defenses before playing a very good defense in the Steelers in week 13. That should give Cousins or Moll plenty of time to gel with the offensive line and be ready for a playoff run

[RavenTD]

Gaither must be allergic to the three point stance is my guess.:ref:

[bmorebirds_24]

This guy is such a waste of space. I really could go off about him but I would get in trouble on the board. I want to save that for something special.

[pyite32]

I had been the biggest optimist about Gaither coming back and putting the line back together in a couple weeks. I even chose to believe his story about his back.

Now, I hope Ozzie does something to help the line b/c if Gaither is out all year I don't want Chester G, Yanda T all year. Yanda needs to go back to guard and we need a RT to play.

WTF is up with Cousins, I guess it was all talk intended to scare Gaither into working hard this year. That didn't work as planned...

GRR... This line has really hurt us this year, not so much in sacks and run game but just by collapsing too close to Joe. He doesn't seem comfortable stepping into his throws b/c Chester is right in front of him taking a three step drop as well before engaging...

[CJ__]

Source on this? In no way doubting you, but that is one interesting rumor I would like to spread further if I get a source better than "a guy on message board said..."

Mark Viviano on 105.7, I am sure if you email him to confirm he will do so.

[Irishraven]

This whole ordeal is just getting out of control. If he doesn't want to be here and he is causing grief then get him out! What an ass!

[jonboy79]

My question is what's going on with Cousins? I thought the coaches had a lot of faith in him, but they have been going with Yanda instead. He isn't on the injury report, so what's up with him???

Coachspeak.... he's terible.

[jonboy79]

But Ozzie and Harbs sure are dumbasses for moving Oher to Left tackle right? I mean, that's what people like jonboy have been saying since the start of the offseason. Surely Gaither would be working his ass off if he was our LT right?

It's hard to say for sure but it's certainly more likely.

In any case, I don't see there is a way you look at this situation and praise the FO for making hte right move. THey now have a greatly weakended Oline with no depth. Last season we had one of the best 6 deep lines in football, that was versatile enough that those 6 people provided all the depth you needed in the event of any single injury. Now we have an average at best line with zero depth. the only change is that Gaither is "?hurt?", or simply has a damaged ego, no one is sure. The thing with back problems is that is is so hard to say, as opposite opinions are common. The back is essentially more complex then most doctor's understanding.

Jared is certainly not innocent inthe situation, but the FO/Coachins staff isn't off the hook either by placing us in this sitatuin wiuth no where else to turn.

Jared will be a pro-bowler somewhere else next year.

[HoustonRaven]

Jared is certainly not innocent inthe situation, but the FO/Coachins staff isn't off the hook either by placing us in this sitatuin wiuth no where else to turn.

Jared will be a pro-bowler somewhere else next year.

Haynesworth's horrible attitude and work ethic date back to Tennessee and nobody pins his current troubles on the Redskins FO.

Gaither's horrible attitude and work ethic date back to UMD and some how this is the doing if the Ravens FO?

I find it odd that a player sells the team on himself and his abilities, the player, with all the talent in the world let's down the team and then it's somehow the fault of the FO when the player turns out lame.

[ActualSpamBot]

I find it odd that a player sells the team on himself and his abilities, the player, with all the talent in the world let's down the team and then it's somehow the fault of the FO when the player turns out lame.

If Gaither is allergic to the three point stance, then jonboy is allergic to admitting he's wrong. Gaither is a lame ass. The FO knows this so they go out and get an all world college LT. They give him a year on the right side and then ship him to the left.

Suddenly Gaither, who according to JB is going to light the world on fire, is too hurt to fight for his own roster spot.

Bullshit. We're lucky Ozzie saw this coming and got Oher last year. Yes, we are not as good now as we were last season with Oher dominating the right and Gaither playing passably good left tackle, but how good do you think we'd be if we hadn't gotten Oher to be our LT of the future and instead just gave Jared "I have a mystery ailment" Gaither a fat ton of cash to be our LT? Does anyone really want to argue that he'd put in an ounce of work after getting paid? Really?

And does anyone want to argue that its shit tons easier to find right tackles in the later rounds? You can't be great everywhere and right now we're pretty damn impressive at every level except the right side of our line. If Gaither were to get his ass in gear and get on the field we might even be great there. But if not, Ozzie has an easy problem to fix this offseason or even in the middle of this season.

[jonboy79]

Haynesworth's horrible attitude and work ethic date back to Tennessee and nobody pins his current troubles on the Redskins FO.

Gaither's horrible attitude and work ethic date back to UMD and some how this is the doing if the Ravens FO?

I find it odd that a player sells the team on himself and his abilities, the player, with all the talent in the world let's down the team and then it's somehow the fault of the FO when the player turns out lame.


I do, to an extent. They are retarded for switching to a 3-4 with him on the team. He is right in that they should unload him to a team where he plays to his strengths and not his weaknesses.

Now he is acting like a baby and all of that which sucks, much liek I'm not happy with what gaither is doing here, but in both instances it is hoopla brought on for no good reason by the FO/Coaching staff. With Albert, they should either remain as a 4-3 or unload him. It's not about catering to players, it's about using the assets you have to the best of their ability.

IN the case of Giather, your ONLY two assets to mention, at OT swere Oher and Gaither They both played well and kept quiet at their respective positions last year. Jared is liekly to move on after this year, and Oher is average or bette ron the LT and "Good enough" for the coaches their in the future.

So you can either:

1. Start the transitioin now, no matter what it does to one asset(Gaither, which turned out to be very bad, as expected).
2. Delay the transition for a year...
3, Unload Gaither, and replace with a player that is adequate or better at RT.
4. Sign giather to a big extension. .

I'm not saying that #5 was the right answer, but #1 certainly wasn't the answer either. In my opinion, either 2 or 3 should have occurred. If Gaither was completely untradeable, along with no one available to acquire for the RT spot, then the prudent move was to keep the status quo that was successful. I can't guarantee we'd be seeing Jared in Purple right now, but it certainly seems a lot more likely. Even an HONEST, on the field competition between the two would have been a huge step int he right direction.

[jonboy79]

If Gaither is allergic to the three point stance, then jonboy is allergic to admitting he's wrong. Gaither is a lame ass. The FO knows this so they go out and get an all world college LT. They give him a year on the right side and then ship him to the left.

Suddenly Gaither, who according to JB is going to light the world on fire, is too hurt to fight for his own roster spot.

Bullshit. We're lucky Ozzie saw this coming and got Oher last year. Yes, we are not as good now as we were last season with Oher dominating the right and Gaither playing passably good left tackle, but how good do you think we'd be if we hadn't gotten Oher to be our LT of the future and instead just gave Jared "I have a mystery ailment" Gaither a fat ton of cash to be our LT? Does anyone really want to argue that he'd put in an ounce of work after getting paid? Really?

And does anyone want to argue that its shit tons easier to find right tackles in the later rounds? You can't be great everywhere and right now we're pretty damn impressive at every level except the right side of our line. If Gaither were to get his ass in gear and get on the field we might even be great there. But if not, Ozzie has an easy problem to fix this offseason or even in the middle of this season.

Passably good? Then how is Oher playing, because it's a noticeable step down. Not nearly the step down we are currently facing at RT, but then again he fixes that problem too.

FWIW, if Gaither comes back and plays RT at some point later int he season, I think we are still worse at two spots then last year(LT, RT). THeir skillsets work better on the previous sides. Oher is and can be average on the left, but he was a monster on the rifght, I don't expect Gaither to be that monster on the left. I hope Oher can improve to approach Giather's level on the left but it's not certain in my mind.

[HoustonRaven]

Bullocks, johnboy.

Dating back 20+ years, coaches come and coaches go and along with that systems change. Professional athletes a thousand times over have all managed to adapt to those changes in a professional, mature attitude. That's "the game" dating back to long before you or I were ever football fans.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. The team can give him the money, the time, the training, the coaching, the encouragement, the practice and the medical staff. But in the end, it's up to the athlete to decide to perform.

He is deciding to not perform. Plain and simple.

[psuasskicker]

In any case, I don't see there is a way you look at this situation and praise the FO for making hte right move. THey now have a greatly weakended Oline with no depth.

I don't know how you look at this situation and blame it on the FO. Gaither is a mediocre tackle and they moved his position based on abilities. Gaither got pissed and is making a big deal about it and deciding not to play when it's pretty obvious what's really going on. The Ravens FO didn't make the move of hurting our OL depth, Gaither did. Or should we just start allowing guys to dictate where they play? Maybe we should let Ray Lewis move to WR cause he threatens to hold out if we don't? And it'd probably be a good idea to let Matt Birk play cornerback if he threatens to shut it down if we don't let him? Yeah, friggin' genius.


Passably good? Then how is Oher playing, because it's a noticeable step down.

It's not a step down just cause you wish it was. Oher has been playing very well at LT. He's no worse than matched Gaither's play level from last year. And, uh, to date, Gaither has shown nothing this season other than being a little whiny bitch, so it's pretty tough to form an argument that he'd have been better at the position than Oher has.

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[darb72]

The Packers have good depth at OT and are a little thin at OLB from everything I've read.

I know it won't happen but I'd love to have Oz trade one of our OLBs to the Pack for their back-up RT, stick Gaither on the IR and activate Riley from the practice squad.

Hell, throw in a third or fourth round pick in next year's incredibly weak draft and call it a Superbowl.:ww:

[Mwjergs]

Gaither is done. The Ravens should just IR him and figure out what to do next off-season.

I'd love to know if this "injury" was his agent's idea or his own beacause it's a pretty foolish contract technique. Now, his work ethic issues and selfishness are public and no team will touch him in a trade or give him big money yet. He will need to re-prove himself with some team who takes a flier on him.

The grocery store story is interesting. All reports I've heard are that Gaither is just a jerk to everyone.

[jonboy79]

I don't know how you look at this situation and blame it on the FO. Gaither is a mediocre tackle and they moved his position based on abilities. Gaither got pissed and is making a big deal about it and deciding not to play when it's pretty obvious what's really going on. The Ravens FO didn't make the move of hurting our OL depth, Gaither did. Or should we just start allowing guys to dictate where they play? Maybe we should let Ray Lewis move to WR cause he threatens to hold out if we don't? And it'd probably be a good idea to let Matt Birk play cornerback if he threatens to shut it down if we don't let him? Yeah, friggin' genius.



It's not a step down just cause you wish it was. Oher has been playing very well at LT. He's no worse than matched Gaither's play level from last year. And, uh, to date, Gaither has shown nothing this season other than being a little whiny bitch, so it's pretty tough to form an argument that he'd have been better at the position than Oher has.

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No, you play players where they help the team most.
Oher has not played up to Gaiither's level no matter how much you think so. You can look and see the difference. THe pocket is much smaller.

[The Fanatic]

Jared will be a pro-bowler somewhere else next year.

I'd be shocked if that were to happen.
I'd be surprised if he was picked up by another team to be their starter.
This fiasco is being watched and seen from every other team in the league.

The practice of moving one guy to the other side because you got somebody better hapens all the time.
Receivers are bucked down in pecking order when a better one is acquired.
This stuff happens pretty much at every position.

The difference being he is this guy is whining and crying the entire time.
Even if he is actually that hurt, I think teams look ast him as somebody that refuses to play with pain which is a major turnoff.
Hell, he came right out several weeks ago and said he wouldn't play unless he's 100%.

Nobody on any team is at 100% right now!!

No way a team brings this guy in and puts their trust in a guy with this type of attitude to protect their QB and anchor their line.
Somebody may bring him in for depth, but as their starter getting big time contract money?
Doubtful.

This entire situation could and possibly will be our downfall this year.
That in itself falls on the front office IMO.

To not have a backup with enough ability to come in in this situation is inexcusable to me.
He doesn't have to be pro bowl calibre, but he should be good enough that you don't have to disrupt the entire right side of the line to get it done.
Apparently we don't have it in Cousins or Mol or else they would be in there.

Here's an even bigger scary thought.

What the hell happens if God forbid Oher gets hurt?

Hell, if our supposed back up tackles can't play at RT, how are they going to fill in at LT?

IR this asshole, and go find somebody that is at least competent to be a backup and step in and play at his position.

[psuasskicker]

THe pocket is much smaller.

Um, that's not cause of Oher.

One of the most telling signs of the difference between their levels of play is that they're leaving Oher out on an island the vast majority of the plays. Last year with Gaither they were lining Heap left for blocking help a lot, or unbalanced left. That almost never happens anymore.

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