Do you believe it now? (Staley)

[Art-Florida]

A week or two ago I posted that I saw a link where Joe Staley was clocked at 4.7 in the 40. Some questioned that, since Staley is an offensive tackle, not a wideout. I did not recall where I saw it, but I'd say the following is close-enough proof.

L I N K F O L L O W S...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/news/2007/03/staley-and-boss-impress-during-pro-days.html

At Central Michigan's (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/Dolphins/entries/2007/03/lt_prospect_sta.html) Pro Day, tackle Joe Staley (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/joe_staley.html) put up a 4.8 in the 40-yard dash, a 32-inch vertical jump, and a 9-foot-9 broad jump. Amazing number for someone weighing in at 6-foot-5 and 305-pounds. One scout said it was the "best all-around workouts I've seen by a big tackle in recent years" and added "that kid (Staley) does not last past the Top-20 picks".

[Ravens0587]

big difference between 4.7 and 4.8

[GreenWave52]

ProFootballTalk says he ran a 4.79, which is a phenominal showing for a lineman. I am not sure we should draft him though. I watch a good amount of college ball, but I never saw any Central Michigan games. I am leary of workout warriors and I just can't support/pimp a player I have never seen with my own eyes.


PFT blurb:

STALEY BLAZES IN PRO DAY

Central Michigan tackle Joe Staley, who was expected to be a star of the scouting combine but who didn't work out due to a hamstring injury, made up for his absence during his Pro Day workout, cranking out a 4.79 in the 40-yard dash.

Heck, he might be able to beat Duce Staley in a footrace. (Unless there was a cake at the finish line.)

Here's the usual disclaimer -- we don't know whether Staley ran on a track, FieldTurf, grass, or hot coals. If he ran on a fast surface, his time will be adjusted upward.

But even with an extra 0.1, it's still a blazing time for a big fella. Heck, there's a chance that USC receiver Dwayne Jarrett won't run the 40 that fast.

[The Fanatic]

Maybe it's just me, but I could care less how fast of a 40 yard dash an offensive lineman runs.

I'm more concerned about his footwork, agility, etc.

If an offensive lineman is having to display his 40 speed during a game it's due to one of two things.

A) He's trying to run down a defender due to an interception.

B) He's running down the field to the endzone to congradulate a teammate for a TD.

I'd imagine the speed would be beneficial getting to the outside for run blocking, etc., but normally he'd be engaged with a defensive lineman or linebacker anyway.

Gimme a lineman that can maul a defender both in run blocking and pass protection that runs an average 40 time for his position.

[Ravens0587]

40 times are not that important for lineman If you really want to cream your pants over this guy take a look at these numbers

Chris Chester...10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
.....................20 Yrd Dash: 2.85
.....................20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.51
.....................3-Cone Drill: 7.33


Joe Staley.......10 Yrd Dash: 1.64
.....................20 Yrd Dash: 2.73
.....................20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.30
.....................3-Cone Drill: 7.16

[UKRavenStockers]

A week or two ago I posted that I saw a link where Joe Staley was clocked at 4.7 in the 40. Some questioned that, since Staley is an offensive tackle, not a wideout. I did not recall where I saw it, but I'd say the following is close-enough proof.

L I N K F O L L O W S...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/news/2007/03/staley-and-boss-impress-during-pro-days.html

At Central Michigan's (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/Dolphins/entries/2007/03/lt_prospect_sta.html) Pro Day, tackle Joe Staley (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/joe_staley.html) put up a 4.8 in the 40-yard dash, a 32-inch vertical jump, and a 9-foot-9 broad jump. Amazing number for someone weighing in at 6-foot-5 and 305-pounds. One scout said it was the "best all-around workouts I've seen by a big tackle in recent years" and added "that kid (Staley) does not last past the Top-20 picks".

I believed you when you amended the time you were quoting, at the very start you (I think it was you) were saying 4.47, then realised it was 4.7, which is believable and not going to be out of the ordinary for the new breed of tackles starting to come through.

[camdenyard]

Fanatic is right. Who give a shit about an OT's 40 time. OT isn't a straight-line speed position.

Robert Gallery wowed 'em with his "measurables" too. Look how that turned out.

[jonboy79]

40 times are not that important for lineman If you really want to cream your pants over this guy take a look at these numbers

Chris Chester...10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
.....................20 Yrd Dash: 2.85
.....................20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.51
.....................3-Cone Drill: 7.33


Joe Staley.......10 Yrd Dash: 1.64
.....................20 Yrd Dash: 2.73
.....................20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.30
.....................3-Cone Drill: 7.16

Now those are more important and impressive numbers. Those are things OT;s need to do.

[ExiledRaven]

The big question:

Will Staley be able to start this year or at minimum be able to come off the bench in an event of a JO or Terry injury and not be utterly worthless?

If the answer is YES, then he's a great pick in my opinion.

If no, then it doesn't seem to fit the MO of drafting players ready to go, or at worst projects that are only a year out. Those year or two out projects would also be late round special teams fliers!

[Rochardrik]

40 times are not that important for lineman If you really want to cream your pants over this guy take a look at these numbers

Chris Chester...10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
.....................20 Yrd Dash: 2.85
.....................20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.51
.....................3-Cone Drill: 7.33


Joe Staley.......10 Yrd Dash: 1.64
.....................20 Yrd Dash: 2.73
.....................20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.30
.....................3-Cone Drill: 7.16

For me to cream my pants, I need a 38C or D:rolleyes:

[highwater]

For me to cream my pants, I need a 38C or D:rolleyes:

That's a little too much information, Roch.

[festivus]

For me to cream my pants, I need a 38C or D:rolleyes:

:bag:

[donnaj]

I had mentioned Joe Staley in a draft post a few weeks back.

I know many people have been talking up Ben Grubbs, Arron Sears, and Justin Blaylock, but if Joe Staley is available at the 29th pick, from all that I have read about him he would be a great fit.

He can play at guard or tackle, but is best suited for the Tackle position and has experience at Right Tackle as well as Left tackle.

We have a need at Right Tackle currently which in my opinion let Terry and Staley play for in camp, see who wants it more.

Terry stepped in for JO when he was out and did a decent job, one that may just continue to improve with more playing time.

Grubbs, Sears, and Blaylock have versatility but only Sears has really been mentioned as having Tackle capability at the NFL level, the others are mostly going to find success at guard. The other are shorter and in recent years the Tackle position has benefited from the aditional height going up against DE's that are also 6'5" +.

I know that we usually go "Best Player Available" with the 1st round pick, but last year that player was also a player of need and had a great impact as a rookie. We can hope the same holds rue this year and we draft for immediate impact with the O-line.

[purplepoe]

The Ravens were just "on the clock" on Sportscenter.

Couple of things.

Mortensen said he laughs at the people who think the Ravens gave up too much for McGahee.

More importantly, Kiper has us taking Staley with our 1st round pick.

PP

[PurpleRulz]

I would have no problem with Staley as our first pick, but 6'5, 300lbs is too light for a RT. Staley would seem better served as a LT, and we already have Adam Terry (who can't play RT and is a natural LT) waiting to take over there. I would rather go interior lineman at 29 as you would get better talent there. We are set with Brown and Chester, but we could another youngster in the interior be it Grubbs or Blalock. I would just address RT later in the draft with a big mauling developmental type OT.

[jonboy79]

I would have no problem with Staley as our first pick, but 6'5, 300lbs is too light for a RT. Staley would seem better served as a LT, and we already have Adam Terry (who can't play RT and is a natural LT) waiting to take over there. I would rather go interior lineman at 29 as you would get better talent there. We are set with Brown and Chester, but we could another youngster in the interior be it Grubbs or Blalock. I would just address RT later in the draft with a big mauling developmental type OT.

ok... you make a lot of assumptions, that don't need to be made. F. irst of all, it is not Staley's measurables that make him ill-suited for RT it's his play style. Tony Ugoh would be an excellent pick for the Ravens for RT, and he has similar measurables. But, he played for Arkansas in the SEC Pounding the ball down after down. He has a mean streak and is very strong at the POA. He is a very capable drive blocker and good against the Bull Rush, at least initially. Staley would make eons better of a LT, he is a finesse style pass blocker that has the speed and quickness to keep up with Freeney, but Strahan would run through him.

Secondly, Adam Terry can and wil play RT. Unless we get Levi Brown, and if JO leaves, then Terry will start day 1 at RT. It has been said by Ozzie, DeCo, it is a fact. Just because it was said two years ago in the rookie camp that Terry struggled on the right-side doesn't mean that it is still true. He was going to compete for the job last year, but JO's father died so he had to hold down LT all preseason, and by then it was too late.

PLEASE STOP PERPETUATING MESSAGE BOARD MYTHS!!!!

[ExiledRaven]

Maybe I'm the one that doesn't get this "staley is so weak on the point of attack" thing. And who knows, he might come in and play LT, terry at RT, backup JO for a year or play if JO retires.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/staley_joe

The only thing that falls into that category is "could use more bulk to anchor" If he can gain that 25 pounds then is that a really big deal? Especially since he's apparently a great drive blocker.

Ugoh in the first just doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Especially since he's a whopping 3 pounds lighter and the talk about lack of a mean streak or potentially a desire to play football

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/ugoh_tony


Not to say you're wrong by any means, but I'd just like to see something that explains how Staley is going to get overwhelmed by a "classically" sized DE (aka, strahan or peppers)

[jonboy79]

The only thing that falls into that category is "could use more bulk to anchor" If he can gain that 25 pounds then is that a really big deal? Especially since he's apparently a great drive blocker.

Ugoh in the first just doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Especially since he's a whopping 3 pounds lighter and the talk about lack of a mean streak or potentially a desire to play football

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/ugoh_tony


Not to say you're wrong by any means, but I'd just like to see something that explains how Staley is going to get overwhelmed by a "classically" sized DE (aka, strahan or peppers)


OK, so now you want our players on Roids. It's not like there is any other way, besides HGH that anyoen can gain 25 pounds in 6 months and still be athletic. We are talking about day 1 needs here, if he'll be ok in 25 pounds then he'll be ok in 2 YEARS.

2ndly, again I'm not talking measurables. Ugoh is three pounds lighter and a LOT stronger at the POA then Staley is. Watch some college ball, the kid manhandled SEC dlineman, the best in college ball. He mauled them all over hte place. Staley was a finnesse LT guy in a small conference playing against noone.

Do I have proof that Staley will get run over by a classic DE... No, he's never played agaisnt any, or anyone even close in his entire life. Thus, that makes me feel like it will be a liability, including the fact that he is small. Believe me or not, that is ok, It's jsut what I've seen, or not seen. I have not seen Staley play @ CMU on bit. I doubt anyone has, besides highlights or the like. I just don't see how he possibly fits in anytime, ever as a RT in a run committed offense.

[ExiledRaven]

Hey, just trying to figure out how you formed that opinion. Not calling you out or anything like that. :bag: Also, some of the weight to anchor, is simply that...weight, not muscle mass

The other thing I'm starting to wonder about is the Ravens as a power running team. Those days may be over with smaller, more athletic linemen, a running back who can run inside, outside and catch. Hopefully the team will still primarily be a running team, but be multi-dimensional in its attack with mobile lineman able to pull, sweep, or set up a real screen.

Trying to figure out potential players is pretty tough this year compared to others. I really had Ngata set for last year and was hoping for Clayton the year before.

This year? No clue, there are a few o-linemen i'd be ok with, but no particular one of them am I hoping to be drafted by the Ravens.

Draft is too far off.

[21xxxv]

Everyone seems to be high on this kid. I have one question. Between Grubbs, Blaylock and Staley..... Does the level of competition have a big impact. I certainly feel that it does. Running 4.7 or 4.8 means more as a Guard, but, this is impressive never the less.

I feel we need mobility and a swing-guy that can play mulitple positions and start at once. Staley seems to be a stretch at 29.

[jonboy79]

Hey, just trying to figure out how you formed that opinion. Not calling you out or anything like that. :bag: Also, some of the weight to anchor, is simply that...weight, not muscle mass
.

No, don't worry, no offense. I like to have my takes challenged, it makes me question it myself and do more research to ensure I still agree with myself.

Your comment about weight is dead on, but don't forget this is already a guy that put on 80 lbs in college and still is athletic as he is. How much more room to grow is there, muscle or fat, before you lose the reason you are drafting him, his agility.

[tnsmith90]

Could we possibly draft this guy, and move him inside to gaurd ala Shawn Andrews? I mean his athleticism could be a huge asset for us there; particularly if he filled out.

[UKRavenStockers]

Could we possibly draft this guy, and move him inside to gaurd ala Shawn Andrews? I mean his athleticism could be a huge asset for us there; particularly if he filled out.

Big difference is that Andrews was ~70lbs heavier than Staley coming out of college, that's a heck of a lot of difference and you don't waste Staley's footwork inside.

Weights coming out of college:
- Staley - 305
- Andrews - 373

[tnsmith90]

Big difference is that Andrews was ~70lbs heavier than Staley coming out of college, that's a heck of a lot of difference and you don't waste Staley's footwork inside.

Weights coming out of college:
- Staley - 305
- Andrews - 373

Right, but there are plenty of gaurds who play at Staley's weight. You don't have to be quite THAT huge to play gaurd. Also from what I've heard scouts are saying he looks like he could still fill out some more and keep his athleticism. If he did that, that would put him at about 320 to 330. That's plenty big to play gaurd.

And yes you obviously don't want to waste his footwork, but it may be worth it to greater utilize his athleticism by putting him inside where he can move around alot.

So honestly I don't see any solid reason why he couldn't be an excellent gaurd. Can anyone think of anything besides size and wasting his footwork?

[Art-Florida]

Right, but there are plenty of gaurds who play at Staley's weight. You don't have to be quite THAT huge to play gaurd. Also from what I've heard scouts are saying he looks like he could still fill out some more and keep his athleticism. If he did that, that would put him at about 320 to 330. That's plenty big to play gaurd.

And yes you obviously don't want to waste his footwork, but it may be worth it to greater utilize his athleticism by putting him inside where he can move around alot.

So honestly I don't see any solid reason why he couldn't be an excellent gaurd. Can anyone think of anything besides size and wasting his footwork?

No, other than that we need tackle help - right now and long-term both. I suspect Staley is going to be a good one...but what the hell do I know?