View Full Version : Ain't the Kool-Aid Cold Today
Ravenfan_11
09-02-2011, 11:41 AM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
Irish Raven
09-02-2011, 11:45 AM
He needs help with his confidence, the coaches won't be writing him off as a bust
He'll come good in time
In 1985, breaking in as an NFL rookie, Rice admitted he was scared and dropped the ball more than usual. "I was thinking through every step of a complicated offense," he said, "instead of using natural reactions."
Smith is no Jerry Rice, who is? So I'm not making a ridiculous comparison, it's just a relevant quote
So even the best can struggle at the beginning
NCRAVEN
09-02-2011, 11:45 AM
Dear God, Can we please Ban this moron already. He ONLY comes on here to throw out utterly ridiculous BS. :grbac:
moose10101
09-02-2011, 11:49 AM
Translation: "Whenever somebody disagrees with me, my uterus hurts."
This is a discussion board. If you can't present a logical argument to back up your "opinions", expect to get bitch-slapped.
goodandfast
09-02-2011, 11:49 AM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
It doesn't matter if Torrey Smith is a bust or not. Ozzie has repeatedly put together championship level teams, if you don't agree with that, you are deluded. Missing on a player here or there means nothing.
That being said, 4 preseason football games is not anywhere near enough time to tell. It may be your gut feeling, it may be my gut feeling, hell it could even be Harbaugh's gut feeling at this point, but the point is, there hasn't been enough time to make any determination, and even if he is a bust, that doesn't mean anything for this team- it doesn't affect our ability to win a championship this year, next year, or even the year after.
Raveninwoodlawn
09-02-2011, 11:50 AM
I don't think he deserves to be banned for having a ridiculous opinion.
HKusp
09-02-2011, 11:52 AM
A rookie is a bust after the preseason??? Throw something at the wall and see if it sticks I guess. :grbac:
NCRAVEN
09-02-2011, 11:52 AM
I've seen it before, albeit they were Steelers fans. But I wouldn't mind idiocy from Ravens fans being sent to the trash heap a little quicker.
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
How is Torrey Smith 4 games in when he has never even been in a real game?
Ravenfan_11
09-02-2011, 11:57 AM
wow, that proved my point even faster than I thought.
RavenScallywag
09-02-2011, 12:03 PM
Dear God, Can we please Ban this moron already. He ONLY comes on here to throw out utterly ridiculous BS. :grbac:
Since he dosn't do QUITE enough to get banned, there is this wonderful thing called the ignore list, it'll at least keep your head from hurting whenever you see the inane babble.
Ravenswintitle
09-02-2011, 12:07 PM
They don't need him this year anyway IMO. think of it that way...
alien bird
09-02-2011, 12:08 PM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
Okay, I won't blast you. You have the right to an opinion. But, for the sake of discussion:
You get to be GM, and you even get the benefit of seeing these guys throughout preseason. What would you have done instead with the 58th pick instead of selecting Torrey Smith? Keep in mind the Ravens' needs at the time.
You're on the clock - you have ten minutes.
wickedsolo
09-02-2011, 12:15 PM
Okay, I won't blast you. You have the right to an opinion. But, for the sake of discussion:
You get to be GM, and you even get the benefit of seeing these guys throughout preseason. What would you have done instead with the 58th pick instead of selecting Torrey Smith? Keep in mind the Ravens' needs at the time.
You're on the clock - you have ten minutes.
"I would have traded Gaither for Miles Austin and a 3rd round pick from Dallas. Then I would have traded McGahee for the rest of the entire draft of the Denver Broncos and then I would have..."
Oh wait, this isn't fanasty football is it?:o
I totally and completely respect your opinion and your right to hold such an opinion. You are not, and will never be, a stoolers fan. Good on ya!!!
(is that the kind of response you're craving????)
:crazy:
wickedsolo
09-02-2011, 12:20 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's just that sometimes their opinions are wrong, misguided, and fool of asshatery. :D
PurpleRulz
09-02-2011, 12:41 PM
wow, that proved my point even faster than I thought.
Try the scout message board or Baltimore sun board. Your I.Q. would fit better there. This board is too advanced and difficult for you. We drink Kool Aid that's flavored with intelligence.
mjones73
09-02-2011, 12:44 PM
Your still allowed to have an opinion, just don't expect everyone to agree with it. Now hopefully those who don't agree can have some intelligent discussions with you about it.
Personally I still think it's too early to tell, the guy needs a couple real games under his belt.
Ravenfan_11
09-02-2011, 12:48 PM
Okay, I won't blast you. You have the right to an opinion. But, for the sake of discussion:
You get to be GM, and you even get the benefit of seeing these guys throughout preseason. What would you have done instead with the 58th pick instead of selecting Torrey Smith? Keep in mind the Ravens' needs at the time.
You're on the clock - you have ten minutes.
Actually, sadly - I did a backflip when we drafted Torry. I would have drated him too if I was Ozzie. In fact, I was on this very board that night in late April flaming Ozzie and saying he had no balls if he didn't take Torrey smith.
Maybe I'm just disapointed in him so far and took it out on others instead. I'm going to apologize, take my purple ball, and go home now.
goodandfast
09-02-2011, 12:52 PM
Actually, sadly - I did a backflip when we drafted Torry. I would have drated him too if I was Ozzie. In fact, I was on this very board that night in late April flaming Ozzie and saying he had no balls if he didn't take Torrey smith.
Maybe I'm just disapointed in him so far and took it out on others instead. I'm going to apologize, take my purple ball, and go home now.
It's cool if you expected him to be better than he has been and you are disappointed in that but don't crush the player or the team for having your own expectations foiled.
RavenScallywag
09-02-2011, 12:54 PM
Drew Brees was a 2nd rounder, and most people in SD thought he was a bust. And that was after 3 years of mediocre performances.
Let's give the kid one bad preseason and see what he can do in the regular season. Who knows, maybe he suddenly gets it after a week or two and starts pushing even Evans for the spot.
pyite32
09-02-2011, 12:56 PM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
I am not going to blast you but I think this might be a bit premature. Now, I will say the post above does not provide me any insight.... So state your case: why do you think he is a bust, what qualities is he lacking, what evidence have you seen to support your opinion... Etc.
I would say the one thing I have seen from him that really concerns me is he catches every ball with his chest not his hands which is a huge red flag for a receiver to me.
Tspot-D-Ravenator
09-02-2011, 12:58 PM
I understand your concerns and I have my concerns about T. Smith and I'm not questioning your fandum or love for the Ravens...However, not having mini-camps or OTA's? Yeah, let's give up on every draft pick this year who hasn't gotten it. :eyes: Get a grip, it's going to be alright;)
Knox Harrington
09-02-2011, 01:01 PM
Wow... if we were to go by this posters logic, we would pretty much have to cut 85% of our rookies.
I thought Torrey looked a little better last nite. He's a work in progress at skill postion that takes time to craft. Hoepfully we see him in there a bit this season and see what he's got.
HoustonRaven
09-02-2011, 01:03 PM
I'm curious how many times this guy is going to post before people realize he is stirring the pot on purpose.
NCRAVEN
09-02-2011, 01:06 PM
wow, that proved my point even faster than I thought.
Was your point of this thread to come up with something so stupid that poeple would say to ban you?
OR
That your point is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
Knox Harrington
09-02-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm curious how many times this guy is going to post before people realize he is stirring the pot on purpose.
at least a dozen
Peterman
09-02-2011, 01:22 PM
I'm curious how many times this guy is going to post before people realize he is stirring the pot on purpose.
Doesn't that constitute trolling...?
bmorebirds_24
09-02-2011, 01:23 PM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
Ok please tell me what that you've seen this preseason to label our 2nd round pick a bust? By the way, the kool-aid is as cols as they get for me right now. Sunday is that start of the season and when I will see what this team can do.
Just was wondering since you can just tell what is going to be or not going to be...Any idea what tonight's lottery numbers will be?
HoustonRaven
09-02-2011, 01:23 PM
Unless the OP starts upping his game and offers something other than a needle poke, then yes, I will consider it trolling and will trash the thread.
Stirring the pot just to get a rise out of people is something for The Sun, not here.
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
Dude, I don't post around here all that much, but this comes off as a whiny load of crap. Get over yourself, it's a discussion board, other people won't always agree with what you say, especially when it's opinion not based on facts (and premature, IMO).
And I've seen people question Newsome on this board. I've done it myself. The thing is, there often isn't a whole lot to question. Now put your big boy pants on and get over it....
translation: "whenever somebody disagrees with me, my uterus hurts."
this is a discussion board. If you can't present a logical argument to back up your "opinions", expect to get bitch-slapped.
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ballhawk
09-02-2011, 01:26 PM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
If you are basing your opinion on watching torrey in college and deciding then that you didn't think he was going to be any good in the nfl and disagreed with ozzie for drafting him, that is cool.
But if you are basing your opinion on a few preseason games, you are kinda jumping the gun and over reacting a little bit.
I wouldn't worry about it. We don't need him this year. He has the luxury of sitting back and learning from boldin and evans for the next couple years. Give it a little patience, bro.
Golden Era at The U
09-02-2011, 01:26 PM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
Well, I came to say that I think Torrey Smith looks like a true bust. Yeah, I don't care that's it's only 4 games in. You can just tell. He's not an NFL player. I think Ozzie totally and completely blew this one.
I'm sure someone will think I'm a Stooler fan now or something like that becuase I don't blindly follow everything Ozzie does. Oh well - go ahead and flame me now.
I don't think that any of the WRs after Bolding and Evans have shown a thing. Laquan maybe, but he's had what, 5 catches and not against prime time defenders?
There's a ton of potential with Dickson & Pitta and a 2 TE offense, so I'm not worried. Someone will step up. Also, there's gonna be what, almost a thousand players released. There will be a WR in there that's worth a steamer somewhere.
goodandfast
09-02-2011, 01:30 PM
I don't think that any of the WRs after Bolding and Evans have shown a thing. Laquan maybe, but he's had what, 5 catches and not against prime time defenders?
There's a ton of potential with Dickson & Pitta and a 2 TE offense, so I'm not worried. Someone will step up. Also, there's gonna be what, almost a thousand players released. There will be a WR in there that's worth a steamer somewhere.
I don't see them adding another WR. By the end of the year I think we see Doss in the number 3 spot, either him or Reed.
ActualSpamBot
09-02-2011, 01:39 PM
I don't think that any of the WRs after Bolding and Evans have shown a thing.
Dickson, Pitta, and Doss have all made big plays at various points this preseason. We don't need any of them to be studs right now as long as they can platoon for good production.
After Boldin, Evans, and Rice all take their bites there aren't going to be a lot of balls left to spread around. Those three should easily pull in about 175-200 catches and Joe averages about 290 completions a year. If any of them catches 40 balls on his own it would mean he's having a dynamite year in terms of his catch per target rate or one of the big three went down.
BIGBALL
09-02-2011, 03:04 PM
Was your point of this thread to come up with something so stupid that poeple would say to ban you?
OR
That your point is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
Ha Ha - great Billy Madison quote!
alienrace
09-02-2011, 03:10 PM
A few years ago, you used to be able to have an opinion on this board. Now if you critize Ozzie or the team, you get blasted. Not by the moderators, but by the other posters.
You're free to have an opinion, but if you're going to put one out there for everyone to judge, don't cry when people actually do.
houstonravensfan
09-02-2011, 03:14 PM
I have no problems with Oz taking Torrey Smith, because so many experts (and "experts") evaluated him as a 1st or 2nd round choice. Oz did not reach for T Smith. He made what appeared to be a very good choice, especially given the team's needs at that point. Way too soon to call T Smith a bust.
Strange Bru
09-02-2011, 03:21 PM
I am not willing to call Torrey Smith a bust yet, but I also thought that Kyle Boller would turn into a decent QB and Joe Flacco was not ready to QB an NFL team in his rookie year. I used to think that Ozzie was out of his skull couple of times over the past 15 years, only to find out that he knows a lot more than I do about evaluating talent. I am not giving him a free pass (Travis Taylor, Mark Clayton, etc), but he has done things right quite a few times (Ray Lewis, Ray Rice).
Basically like the other poster noted, Jerry Rice didn't start out lighting up the scoreboard, lets not put the cart before the horse. Give the kid a chance.
Flipping Birdie
09-02-2011, 04:51 PM
wow, that proved my point even faster than I thought.
Oh my God, you are such a little baby. *waaa waaa waaa* Before I make my point I'd like to preface it by saying if everyone thinks I'm an idiot, regardless of of the relative merits or idiocy of my comments, that it is obviously the board's fault. And if you do think my opinion is idiotic, I'll pretend that validates my conviction that the problem is the board and not my opinion. WA!
It's pretty interesting how all those Kruger jokes stopped after the first preseason game.
Sephy
09-02-2011, 05:03 PM
wow, that proved my point even faster than I thought.
Dear forums poster Ravenfan_11,
I'm sorry you feel you get "blasted" for an opinion because people disagreed with you. It is COMPLETELY irrational for these harsh people to disagree with such a well thought out thread about a player who's had limited time in four preseason games. I mean, there's no way he recovers from this, right? Pretty much a death sentence at this point. A player who came out as a junior and has no concept of NFL offense at this point..man, there's just no way out. I am truly sorry for this obvious waste of a draft pick.
Best,
Sephy
HoustonRaven
09-02-2011, 05:04 PM
This has become more about the troll than any particular issue.
Locked and trashed.