OT- Portis is an idiot...

[Mr.Boh]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099
I'm almost speechless. No matter how much money some of these guys make they still want to pretend they are thugs.
If Vick was in fact fighting dogs, he should be made to go 30 min against 2 of the most brutal, abused pits they can dig up.

[Mr OC]

It really goes to show exactly how removed and clueless are some of these players.

[highwater]

Clinton Portis is genuinely stupid. Seriously, the guy is dumber than a stump. His arguements on Vick's behalf are hilarious -- "It's on his own property, they're his dogs, people should mind their own business." Uh, Clint, it's against the law! A felony!

Portis sounds like a dog-fighting nut himself. What an idiot.

[Losac]

I think we all knew Portis was a pea-brain thug wannabe, but these comments really take the cake. It's really just a matter of time before he gets busted for something.

[Ravens0587]

I used to be a big fan of his and his joking around with the characters, but I truly think he is a moron and I can't beleive someone is stupid enough to say this let alone to a reporter...

[festivus]

He should go back to whining about his team.

[RavensInBrazil]

Perhaps he didn't read the memo where the league says it's trying to reduce thug behaviour...way to improve your image, Clint

[WxKevin]

Wow...I never knew somebody could say something so idiotic.

[crazyraven]

Lets hold off on Vick until a verdict is in. We still dont know the entire story.

With Portis, sure he makes some whimsical statements. However there are some truths to what he is saying. You can see dog fights anywhere nowadays, if you know where to look. And he does have a point about this whole thing being no big deal.

[Losac]

Lets hold off on Vick until a verdict is in. We still dont know the entire story.

With Portis, sure he makes some whimsical statements. However there are some truths to what he is saying. You can see dog fights anywhere nowadays, if you know where to look. And he does have a point about this whole thing being no big deal.
:grbac:
Why is it not surprising you are defending this?

Sure, you can also find crack houses and kiddie porn anywhere if you know where to look, but that doesn't make either right or legal. Dog fighting is illegal, a felony, and to many, morally reprehensible. It only appeals to the thug culture, and if you and Portis are defending the act it really says a lot about both of your characters.

[ClericBlackDave]

Lets hold off on Vick until a verdict is in. We still dont know the entire story.

With Portis, sure he makes some whimsical statements. However there are some truths to what he is saying. You can see dog fights anywhere nowadays, if you know where to look. And he does have a point about this whole thing being no big deal.


Man, the the f*ck outta here.


Dog fighting is illegal. A felony, and its cruel to animals. If Vick is involved in Dog Fighting his ass should pay.


The law is the law. How many times, Vick or McNair or BJ Sams or whoever, are we going to excuse illegal behavior on the part of athletes because they are rich?


Portis is an idiot. How about keep your mouth shut and keep collecting your check.


I was also equally dissapointed about Bart Scott's recent comments about the new conduct policy and Goodell.


Memo to professional athletes. Please shut up.


You're not helping yourself. Dog fighting is illegal, the whole "its not a big deal" defense doesn't fly, nor does "its his property, his dogs". I guess we should just let parents abuse their kids because, hey, its their house, their property, their kid, mind your business.

[Fanman]

I am sick of Vick and his pseudo thuglike life style. Smoking some weed is one thing...killing animals is WAY off base. I have now lost any respect I had left for that a-hole.

FM

[crazyraven]

Why is it not surprising you are defending this?
What did I defend?


It only appeals to the thug culture, and if you and Portis are defending the act it really says a lot about both of your characters.
He made comments while he was crackingup. There was no way he was serious about any of those comments. click on that video and you'll see. But if you ask me if you would put this crime on a scale I would put it higher than jaywalking but lower than drug dealing. Were talking about dogs here fellas. sorry but my heart aint bleeding here.

[highwater]

crazy is just being his usual troll self, so just ignore. There is no way that anyone (except a totally stupid moron like Portis) could seriously place dog fighting below jaywalking. There is a reason that organized dog fighting is a felony.

BTW, did you see the lame-ass press release the Redskins sent out, in which Portis "clarifies" his earlier remarks by saying that he doesn't condone dog-fighting? Really, Clinton? It sure sounded like you not only condoned it in that interview, you were defending it. Too late Redskins, the damage has been done.

[crazyraven]

HW you got it wrong AGAIN- let me type slow so you get it, I said the crime was higher than Jaywalking Lower than Drug dealing

Do I think it a crime, yup. Do I hate bulldogs or pitbulls or whatever the hell there called...Yeppers. BUT Those dogs are the most F'd up animals, sorry brother I do not shead a tear for those people eating killing animals. Send them back to hell for all I care

[Losac]

Were talking about dogs here fellas. sorry but my heart aint bleeding here.
Guess you've never been a dog owner. I would put the life of a dog over the life of some people I have met. Dogs give unconditional love. People are the worst, most sadistic animals on the planet.

[crazyraven]

Guess you've never been a dog owner. I would put the life of a dog over the life of some people I have met. Dogs give unconditional love. People are the worst, most sadistic animals on the planet
if your talking a mut or lab, im rigth there with ya losac...but pitbulls scare the day lights out of me.

[highwater]

Here's what you wrote, Einstein --

if you ask me if you would put this crime on a scale I would not put it higher than jaywalking

So if you would not put it higher than jaywalking, then doesn't that mean that, by definition, you are putting it lower than jaywalking?

Not only are you a troll, you can't put together a coherent sentence, nor can you even read what you wrote.

[crazyraven]

Please remove the "not", it shouldnt be there.

[Rochardrik]

What did I defend?


He made comments while he was crackingup. There was no way he was serious about any of those comments. click on that video and you'll see. But if you ask me if you would put this crime on a scale I would not put it higher than jaywalking but lower than drug dealing. Were talking about dogs here fellas. sorry but my heart aint bleeding here.

WTF? I mean WTF? Dogs have done everything for humans but raise our children! There would be no human life in the artic w/o dogs. Dogs have hunted for us, chased away intruders, led the blind, rescued our children from drowning, fire, landslides, avalanches, Tracked down the lost. There are now dogs that can smell cancer... long before it can be detected w/ our latest technology. If you think about it, our evolution was sped by dogs.
I am not the dog owner who lets his dog sleep in the bed, or buys sweaters for him, but to condone, or be indifferent to this kind of maltreatment is.. well thuggery at it's lowest point. Bottomfeeder deeds!:hammer:

[Losac]

if your talking a mut or lab, im rigth there with ya losac...but pitbulls scare the day lights out of me.
The ones that are mean and nasty are raised to be that way by thugs like Vick and Portis. They are raised to have a mean streak and trained to fight. Pits get a bad rap - plenty of them are as gentle as can be if raised by a loving and patient owner, not some inner-city gangsta who wants a mean dog for clout and to make money fighting him.

[sailorsam]

Vick supposedly once said "I have two weapons--my arm, my legs, and my brains."
Not only did Portis once play for the Steelers, he left to play for Snyder & the skins. how smart can he be?
one thing what irritates me; Ray Lewis has been clean as a whistle since that one incident; Jamal Lewis (now departed) paid his debt and went straight...and some folks still think the Ravens are an outlaw bunch. They are far and away the cleanest group at least in this division.

[purplepoe]

Lets hold off on Vick until a verdict is in. We still dont know the entire story.

With Portis, sure he makes some whimsical statements. However there are some truths to what he is saying. You can see dog fights anywhere nowadays, if you know where to look. And he does have a point about this whole thing being no big deal.

LOL.

This coming from someone who couldn't stop saying how much respect he lost for McNair for sitting shotgun when the driver MIGHT have been legally drunk.

I cannot stand dogs. My girlfriend has been wanting one for years and I'll always say no. Dog fighting is an atrocious crime, period. I love how you assumed all sorts of stuff in the McNair case yet you want to "hold off" with Vick. Unreal.

Actually. Im not surprised one bit about your thoughts.

Whimsical statements? I watched the whole thing and he wasn't joking around. They were giggling because they are DUMB. Portis has said dumb things before and he did it again.

PP

[highwater]

Whimsical statements? I watched the whole thing and he wasn't joking around. They were giggling because they are DUMB.

The only one laughing was Samuels, in a "I can't believe you're saying this shit on camera, dude." Portis, as you said, was clearly not joking around. He was clearly defending dog-fighting, in fact. Of course, he apparently didn't realize until this interview that it's a felony.

Almost every ignorant comment he made was typical of the entitlement these fools have -- "It's his dog, it's his property, that can't be a crime." Clinton Portis, welcome to the real world. It IS a crime.

[Ravens0587]

CrazyRaven and Clinton Portis......This is what he should be allowed to do b/c it's his dogs and his house (note these are not his dogs but here is the result of dog fighting. p.s. this is the dog that won.)

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[crazyraven]

CrazyRaven and Clinton Portis......This is what he should be allowed to do b/c it's his dogs and his house (note these are not his dogs but here is the result of dog fighting. p.s. this is the dog that won.)

Dude I said it was a crime. If its a crime then I think it shouldn't be allowed to pit them against one another. You can show all the mangled pitbulls all you want but those things scare the ever living crap out me. I have no pity for them. I don't want them getting chewed up but theyd do it to you in a heart beat if you were alone with one in a room.


The only one laughing was Samuels, in a "I can't believe you're saying this shit on camera, dude." Portis, as you said, was clearly not joking around. He was clearly defending dog-fighting, in fact. Of course, he apparently didn't realize until this interview that it's a felony.

Portis was clearly joking. Look if Samuels thought he was serious I'm sure he wouldn't have laughed.

Actually. Im not surprised one bit about your thoughts.
and I'm not surprised that you are more concerned about killer dogs--who you dont even like--than the safety of human beings put at risk by irresponsible drunk drivers. it makes no sense at all.

Whimsical statements? I watched the whole thing and he wasn't joking around. They were giggling because they are DUMB. Portis has said dumb things before and he did it again

if you feel he said something dumb then you agree that it was whimsical as well. He said something without giving much thought to it. Again he was chuckling all the way through the interview. I mean he could have put on his dollar bill outfit and it would have been taken the same way.


plenty of them are as gentle as can be if raised by a loving and patient owner, not some inner-city gangsta who wants a mean dog for clout and to make money fighting him
I have never ran across one of those things that were gentle or kind. The ones that have the good owners are the ones you see walking around with a muzzle cause they cant trust them.

[ClericBlackDave]

CrazyRaven, please save yourself some embarassment and give it up.


Look at the pictures above. Thanks to whoever posted them. Thats why dog fighting is illegal. Its cruel and inhumane, and really just plained sadistic and disgusting. Not suprising that a borderline sociopath like Vick would support it.



A picture says a 1000 words. There's a reason that shit is a felony, and morally reprehensible. Disgusting. Poor animals. . .

[Losac]

I have never ran across one of those things that were gentle or kind. The ones that have the good owners are the ones you see walking around with a muzzle cause they cant trust them.
And the ignorance keeps on spewing from your lips. You really have no idea what you are talking about, so you go by what you have heard about pit bulls and form an opinion that it's ok to have them tear each other apart. I will tell you from experience that I have met many pit bulls who were very loving and friendly. They weren't put through a cruel killing machine regimen by thug pieces of shit like Vick or Portis either. So please just keep your misguided opinions to yourself before you continue to make an ass of yourself.

[crazyraven]

You guys are nuts. I did a Google search in the news on "pitbulls" and this is what comes up

http://origin.wcbd.com/midatlantic/cbd/news.apx.-content-articles-CBD-2007-05-22-0006.html
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=55375

The vick story was the 3rd story.

Checkout the video too. on the first link. These dogs where not trained to kill each other. they just got away from their owners.

You go hug one of those dumb animals. Loving and friendly? Have you lost your mind Losac?

edit I found this one as well : http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5317810

[ClericBlackDave]

CrazyRaven, honestly, for you own sake, just back down off this stupid opinion.


There isn't a leg to stand on here; its not humane or moral to fight animals. Personally, I'm not even sure how humane it is to even race them, I wish horse racing would die out.


Pitt bulls can be good dogs, and there is no way to justify fighting them against eachother.


If a pittbull is found to be an insane dog, just put it down, put it to sleep, thats the humane thing to do. You don't fight them against eachother unless you're a crazy cracked out thuggish POS like Vick or Portis.


We should take a bunch of Vick's boys who are thug pieces of shit who are in jail and have them fight it out deathmatch style because, hey, they're bad people anyway. Perfectly acceptable.


Dude, just give it up.


BTW, how old are you? You confuse me, because there are time I think you could be early to mid twenties and times where you say things that might come out of a 14 year old. This is just an honest question.

[crazyraven]

CrazyRaven, honestly, for you own sake, just back down off this stupid opinion.
Stupid opinion? I think what Vick allegelly did was illegal. I've said it from the start. I've also said I dont like that people fight these dogs for sport. That aint cool. However I dont think its as serious as Drunk driving. Its a problem that the animal police are handling, and I have complete faith that they will stop dog fights whenever they happen.


Personally, I'm not even sure how humane it is to even race them, I wish horse racing would die out.
I like to go the races and place bets. I have no problems with that.


If a pittbull is found to be an insane dog, just put it down, put it to sleep, thats the humane thing to do. You don't fight them against eachother unless you're a crazy cracked out thuggish POS like Vick or Portis.

CLeric did you see that video I passed along? A father and son where walking home and two pitbulls come out of nowhere and attack. Dude I did a half hearted search and came up with major stories as to why pitbulls are the scum of the earth. Seriously Id rather have a pet lion.


We should take a bunch of Vick's boys who are thug pieces of shit who are in jail and have them fight it out deathmatch style because, hey, they're bad people anyway. Perfectly acceptable.
If its true, then yes...I agree.



BTW, how old are you? You confuse me, because there are time I think you could be early to mid twenties and times where you say things that might come out of a 14 year old. This is just an honest question

What does it matter. You already made up your mind about me so It doesnt matter how old you think I am.

[festivus]

Crazy, 'pit bulls' needn't be fighting machines. You did some research, so did I. From this (http://www.thedogplace.com/breeddetail.asp?BRID=43) large on-line encyclopedia of dog breeds:

Modified Boxer-like head with powerful jaws set off by small upright ears, he is 50 pounds of responsibility. If raised with children, he is loving and trustworthy and he should never be people-aggressive. He is not however, one that can ever be allowed off lead as he may confront another dog as is always considered the "bad guy" no matter who started it.

[Rochardrik]

Vick supposedly once said "I have two weapons--my arm, my legs, and my brains."
Not only did Portis once play for the Steelers, he left to play for Snyder & the skins. how smart can he be?
one thing what irritates me; Ray Lewis has been clean as a whistle since that one incident; Jamal Lewis (now departed) paid his debt and went straight...and some folks still think the Ravens are an outlaw bunch. They are far and away the cleanest group at least in this division.

He played for the steelers? Huh? When? Where? Wow, did I fall to sleep for 20 years?
Rip Van Winkle
:insane:

[crazyraven]

Festivus, with all due respect the website you are referring is called the "thedogplace.com" they wouldn't say a bad thing about a killer dog. and quite honestly I wouldn't raise a child anywhere near those things, click on that second link i provided and see how "loving and trustworthy " that two year old is feeling about pit bulls.

[Losac]

Crazyraven - again, you have no experience of your own with pitbulls, so you base your opinion on sensational news stories you hear and the breed's bad reputation. I see you can use Google. Can you also use Wikipedia? Here's a few snippets:


APBTs can be very sweet, curious, intelligent, and clownish. They are noted for their outgoing, affectionate, eager-to-please disposition and their fondness for people; they love attention and relish the company of humans. When raised with a firm but fair hand an APBT can make a wonderful family pet, however, APBTs can also be stubborn and prone to display aggression towards other dogs.


Despite the stereotype, the average, sound-minded pit bull is not a threat where children are concerned. Though the AKC and UKC recommend that no child be left alone with any dog, the APBT, like many of its relatives, is a breed more likely not to know its own strength and knock a toddler down totally by accident rather than by force. Pit bulls were bred to have a high tolerance for pain and thus will put up with a child's tail yanking, horseplay, and tumbling with little complaint and no snapping. Though if the animal has reached a mature age it is not advisable to have a child left unattended. It is also a breed that is very strong for its size and weight, so adults and older children are better recommended to take the dog on its leash.


APBT and APBT-looking dogs are often associated with the urban and hip hop culture, and many young, predominantly male, people purchase them on the grounds of wanting a 'tough dog' — sadly, dogs of any breed acquired for such purposes often end up maltrained, misused and in poor health.

This breed is also often the most common target of dog abuse in urban areas. Outside of dog fighting and guarding property, the APBTs have been found beaten, starved, burned, mutilated, and mistreated to make them particularly aggressive. After the owner no longer has any use for the dog, the dog is left for dead, turned loose to die, or finds its way into animal control services, where it will most likely have to be destroyed.

Yes, I have pet pitbulls owned by caring and responsible owners before, and every time was greeted by a happy, tail-wagging dog. If you don't like the dogs, that's fine, you don't have to be around them. But secretly advocating fighting the dogs because you consider them "the scum of the earth" is cruel and reprehensible. I think people like Vick and Portis are the scum of the earth, personally.

[crazyraven]

But secretly advocating fighting the dogs because you consider them "the scum of the earth" is cruel and reprehensible. I think people like Vick and Portis are the scum of the earth, personally.

See, why are you putting words in my mouth? WTF? I've said a million times that this is bad. And Just because I dont want to be an advocate on dog fighting, like You, doesnt mean you have to make me one too. Why cant you just leave it at that? Sorry and excuse me if I dont give a crap about killer dogs and their plight. Sorry if I have other concerns.

Edit:BTW Wikipedia is the worst source for information-- Totally non credible

[ClericBlackDave]

CrazyRaven, you've basically inferred from everything you said here that you agree with Portis at least when it comes to Pittbulls fighting.


Sometimes, its not a bad thing to just admit you were wrong about something and then move forward.

[Losac]

No one is putting words in your mouth. This is a direct quote from you:


Do I think it a crime, yup. Do I hate bulldogs or pitbulls or whatever the hell there called...Yeppers. BUT Those dogs are the most F'd up animals, sorry brother I do not shead a tear for those people eating killing animals. Send them back to hell for all I care

Sounds like you either advocate it, or are just apathetic and can accept it happening. You also said Portis was right about this being no big deal.

Bottom line, if YOU don't like pitbulls or think they are nothing but mindless killers, you don't have to be around them. But watch the comments because you are clearly basing your opinion on non-firsthand experience.

And the information Wikipedia has on pitbull terriers is spot-on accurate, but your mind is made up so I'm through wasting my time on you.

[highwater]

Why are you guys even trying to talk sense into crazyraven? This is just like his moronic insistence that's it's okay for him to leave ice on the roof of his car so it can fall off on the interstate and fly into someone else's car. I think he just enjoys the attention he draws with these out-of-left field opinions.

BTW, I heard this morning on the radio that the Commish was so impressed by Portis' comments that he issued a release, saying that he (the Commish) was "disappointed and embarrased for Clinton Portis."

[Mr.Boh]

Pitbulls, which in itself isnt really a breed of dog anyway, have been around in this country for a long time. Why have they gotten a bad rap in the last 20 or so years? Thug culture has made owning one a status symbol and many people who have no business owning any dog get them for that reason. Then they get bored with it and chain it or pen it in where the damn thing goes stir crazy. Ever had cabin fever? Imagine that over months or years. And without tv, internet, or any other entertainment to add to it. Imagine what impact that has on a simple dogs mind. The breed is a powerfull one, but the current social problems we are having with these dogs has everything to do with the people that buy them for the wrong reasons (and thats without getting into the problems of fighting them. Those that are neglected are bad enough. many fighting dogs are fed gunpowder because the toxens lead to insanity. Are they the ones at fault?)
Crazyraven- I'm pretty sure the National Geographic show "The Dog Whisperer" is availible on DVD. Sounds like he could show you a thing or two about dogs.

[RavensNTerps]

i agree with Portis in this sense:

Affluent white people are given trophies and awards for shooting animals. Our vice president was on a hunting trip when he SHOT a man. Killing deer and other animals is not even the slightest bit frowned upon.

Yet you mention dogfighting and the place goes up in arms?

No, I don't support dog fighting. But i certianly do appreciate the double standard that exists.

[Losac]

i agree with Portis in this sense:

Affluent white people are given trophies and awards for shooting animals. Our vice president was on a hunting trip when he SHOT a man. Killing deer and other animals is not even the slightest bit frowned upon.

Yet you mention dogfighting and the place goes up in arms?

No, I don't support dog fighting. But i certianly do appreciate the double standard that exists.
You are comparing taking out a deer or game bird for food with a shot from a rifle to having 2 dogs slowly rip and tear each other apart for gambling purposes?

And why do you have to bring race into this?

[festivus]

Why are you guys even trying to talk sense into crazyraven?

Ding ding ding! Good question. This is one of those threads that has clearly brought out Crazy's :troll: side.

[purplepoe]

Stupid opinion? I think what Vick allegelly did was illegal. I've said it from the start. I've also said I dont like that people fight these dogs for sport. That aint cool. However I dont think its as serious as Drunk driving. Its a problem that the animal police are handling, and I have complete faith that they will stop dog fights whenever they happen.

First of all, it's not the "animal police" that are handling this. Yes, animal control etc.. came to the house to remove to the dogs but you can damn well be sure that this is a criminal investigation being done by police.


and I'm not surprised that you are more concerned about killer dogs--who you dont even like--than the safety of human beings put at risk by irresponsible drunk drivers. it makes no sense at all.

And you're accusing others of putting words in your mouth? I showed you complete hypocrisy while comparing your reaction to McNair and Vick. Not about the crimes but about you jumping to conclusions. You convicted McNair on the spot yet somehow brush this Vick thing off. You used the fact that McNair gave his car to his BIL to drive. Are you ignoring that Vick gave this house to his cousins who decided to make it into a dog fighting home? Yes, you are.

I think the Commissioner's statement today pretty much clears up any misconception that this isn't a big deal. I didn't see him take time out to release a statement about McNair.

Not only that, but the laws regarding dog fighting also show how serious a crime it is.

It's sad that this thread has gone on this far.

Like Colin Cowherd has been saying all week. Some people "get it" and some people don't.

PP

[purplepoe]

i agree with Portis in this sense:

Affluent white people are given trophies and awards for shooting animals. Our vice president was on a hunting trip when he SHOT a man. Killing deer and other animals is not even the slightest bit frowned upon.

Yet you mention dogfighting and the place goes up in arms?

No, I don't support dog fighting. But i certianly do appreciate the double standard that exists.

:laugh:

Thanks for the laugh.

O, you're serious?

My bad.

PP

[crazyraven]

I showed you complete hypocrisy while comparing your reaction to McNair and Vick
The big difference you seem to be overlooking is that Mcnair is a Raven. If Vick were a raven you can bet I'd be all over this clown for this stupidity. the difference is endangering people vs people killing dogs. sorry but I admit it, I'm turning a blind eye in regards to the dogs.

[purplepoe]

The big difference you seem to be overlooking is that Mcnair is a Raven. If Vick were a raven you can bet I'd be all over this clown for this stupidity. the difference is endangering people vs people killing dogs. sorry but I admit it, I'm turning a blind eye in regards to the dogs.

Sigh.

I think you've made it clear where you stand on this.

Congrats.

PP

[RavensNTerps]

You are comparing taking out a deer or game bird for food with a shot from a rifle to having 2 dogs slowly rip and tear each other apart for gambling purposes?

And why do you have to bring race into this?

Because, like it or not, it plays a big role in this.

And i'm not talking about people who hunt for their food. I'm talking about the people who hunt and then put the deer head on a wall in their office. They win trophies for that type of thing. And you're telling me its LESS cruel than dog fighting? How?

[crazyraven]

RavensNTerps is right. No one says shit when you see people taking out deer or setting traps on beavers on the hunting channel, yet I'm suppose to feel sorry for (if you were to listened to Losac) "fun loving" Pit Bulls. Get the F*^K out here. :hammer:

[RavensNTerps]

For the record, I don't agree with ANY form of animal cruelty.

But to ignore the hypocrisy here, is, quite honestly, naive.

There are competitions that reward killing wild animals...yet gambling on a dog fight is somehow MORE inhumane?

Neither is right. Both are wrong. But you can't bash someone for one without bashing other people for the other, or you miss the whole point.

Think of the speech from My Cousin Vinny.

[Ravens0587]

wait two entirely different situations you are killing wild dear in one case in the other you are taking two animals and breading them to kill each other.

If your going to be a dumbass and not see the difference then you should become a vegan and not eta meat because thats scruel to.

[TTRaven]

i agree with Portis in this sense:

Affluent white people are given trophies and awards for shooting animals. Our vice president was on a hunting trip when he SHOT a man. Killing deer and other animals is not even the slightest bit frowned upon.

Yet you mention dogfighting and the place goes up in arms?

No, I don't support dog fighting. But i certianly do appreciate the double standard that exists.

You make a great point. There's one thing that you overlooked though. Dog fighting is ILLEGAL! Hunting is not. Stop trying to compare something that is legal to something that is illegal. It really isn't that hard to figure out why people are making a big deal about dog fighting.

And spare me the whole race issue involving this. You're only bringing it up to try and make you're point stick out. Wether you're white,black, or purple, it doesn't matter. It's illegal either way.

I'm sure there are plenty of things that are in a similar discussion elsewhere. Such as smoking ciggarettes compared to smoking Marijauna. Yeah you can say they're pretty much the same thing, but one is leagal and the other is illegal. Just like hunting and dog fighting. You might not agree with it, but it is what it is. Laws are made for a reason, and they're meant to be followed.

[RavensNTerps]

Sure it's illegal. But i'm talking about morality over legality here.

But even so, ask yourself this:

If Brett Favre was found to be shooting deer out of season (and no, not for the yummy venison meat, just for hunting fun), do you think there'd be HALF as big a deal made?

[festivus]

RnT, there are differences besides the legal/illegal and besides issues of race and class.

*You* may not find these persuasive, but I assure you, there are many who do, and these reasons are perhaps some of the reasons dogfighting is illegal and hunting Bambi is not.

Dogfighting involves raising an otherwise domesticated animal from birth to be a killing machine.

Dogfighting involves not just the slaughter of dogs, but in the fight itself, the torture of each participant.

Hunting on the other hand does not require mistreatment or dangerous training of the deer from birth, or (when done well), torture of anything.

That said, if hunting was illegal, it wouldn't be the end of my world. The legal/illegal distinction is not a small thing to be ignored.


If Brett Favre was found to be shooting deer out of season (and no, not for the yummy venison meat, just for hunting fun), do you think there'd be HALF as big a deal made?
No. Because people don't have deer as pets. Some people hunt deer. But if Brett Favre shot a *dog*, or had dogfighting at *his* house, my answer without hesitation is *yes*.

[Losac]

Because, like it or not, it plays a big role in this.

And i'm not talking about people who hunt for their food. I'm talking about the people who hunt and then put the deer head on a wall in their office. They win trophies for that type of thing. And you're telling me its LESS cruel than dog fighting? How?
I am not going to defend every form of hunting, but I really am sorry you can't see the difference between raising dogs to be killing machines so people can gamble on the outcome of fighting them, and someone shooting a wild deer.

Maybe some of the people who put the trophy heads on their walls ate the rest of the deer. Everyone I know who hunts does so for food. Where else do you draw the line? Do you eat beef or chicken? They are killed and eaten all the time. The difference is a bunch of thugs aren't sitting around gambling as the chickens peck and scratch each other to death. I don't see how any reasonable person can't see the difference there.

And no, sorry, but I don't see how race plays a factor here. If you are implying there is some prejudice against the dog fighting practice because most of those who participate are urban black males, then that's weak. I don't care if it's a bunch of nuns sitting around fighting dogs - it's still cruel and inhumane.


If Brett Favre was found to be shooting deer out of season (and no, not for the yummy venison meat, just for hunting fun), do you think there'd be HALF as big a deal made?
No, because he would not be breaking the law. Is ESPN supposed to run with that story? And I suppose your not-so-subtle point here is it would not be a big deal because Favre is white?

[festivus]

I dunno Losac, I thought the connection was that Brett Favre shows up at the dogfight in the new Bang cartoon linked in another thread.
:brickwall:

[Ravens0587]

I think it basically comes down to people with common sense (The rest of us) and those who don't (RavensNTerps, CrazyRaven, Portis, Vick).

Everyone is entitled to their opinion (RavensNTerps, CrazyRaven, Portis, Vick) but that doesn't mean they aren't wrong...

[RavensNTerps]

so hunting deer out of season isn't illegal now? Isn't that WHY they have designated hunting seasons for certain animals?

And, like I said, I'm not talking about the people who kill for food. Fine, whatever, with them. But i'd say that at least 75% of modern hunters do NOT eat what they hunt.

[purplepoe]

so hunting deer out of season isn't illegal now? Isn't that WHY they have designated hunting seasons for certain animals?

And, like I said, I'm not talking about the people who kill for food. Fine, whatever, with them. But i'd say that at least 75% of modern hunters do NOT eat what they hunt.

LOL.

Still going with this huh?

"You'd say" 75%?

Do you have any proof? Any evidence? Or are you just making things up in this ridiculous argument.

The differences between hunting and dog fighting are so obvious that furthering this discussion is an insult to those who "get it".

PP

[crazyraven]

Well anyway, It looks like portis was right. it was much ado about nothing.

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SURRY, Va. -- Virginia prosecutor Gerald G. Poindexter said that investigators still lack solid evidence linking Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick -- or anybody, for that matter -- to dog fighting.

Last month, 66 dogs -- most of which were pit bulls -- were taken from a Surry County home owned by Vick. Officials, working on a search warrant, found exercise equipment, supplements used to build strength in dogs, and blood spatters on a wall, according to court documents. But that's not enough, Poindexter said.

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"I know everybody is saying, 'When are those fools in Surry County going to get up off their butts and do something?' " Poindexter said. "But what are we going to do?"

He said there are no eyewitnesses to say there was dog fighting at the property. Until the search was conducted, the house was occupied by Vick's cousin, and Vick has said he was rarely there. Vick, a Newport News, Va., native and star player at Virginia Tech, has since sold the home on rural Moonlight Road for about half of its market value.

The 66 dogs are being housed in kennels in four counties, with Surry County taxpayers paying up to $25,000 for their care until the case is over.

[TheOrioleWay]

Ding ding ding! Good question. This is one of those threads that has clearly brought out Crazy's :troll: side.

Isn't it amazing that like clockwork, just about every thread crazyraven chimes in on instantly evolves into a petty third grade p*ssing match (with first grade grammar).

Death, taxes and crazyraven.

[crazyraven]

Wow, this guy never fails to attack me and it's all because I like the Yankees.
Sigh...oh well

[Losac]

so hunting deer out of season isn't illegal now? Isn't that WHY they have designated hunting seasons for certain animals?

And, like I said, I'm not talking about the people who kill for food. Fine, whatever, with them. But i'd say that at least 75% of modern hunters do NOT eat what they hunt.
If Favre happened to be hunting out of season he might be cited for it and it would probably be mentioned as a blurb in the news, but that is a much, much less serious offense than holding dog fights. If you honestly think both crimes are the same then there is really no reasoning with you.

75% huh? Wow, nice number. And you are basing this on what statistics or studies? Oh, you just pulled it out of your ass! OK, next.


Well anyway, It looks like portis was right. it was much ado about nothing.
No, Portis was defending dog fighting in general. The prosecutor is simply saying they don't have enough evidence against Vick to charge him with it. And you sir, are still a bit of a simpleton.

[crazyraven]

No, Portis was defending dog fighting in general. The prosecutor is simply saying they don't have enough evidence against Vick to charge him with it. And you sir, are still a bit of a simpleton.
Oh yea thats what every nfl player is asked about. I can see how every hungry reporter is begging to ask NFL stars their positions on Dog fighting. Hey dopey, he was asked about Vick? If you think otherwise you're the simpleton.

[Losac]

When told that dog fighting is a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime."
:grbac:

[crazyraven]

Why was he told about dog fighting being a felony in the first place? Could it be becasue he was talking about Vick? I mean come on. Look in the grand scheme of things he is right. No big deal but if your an overbearing sissy then I can see how this is your number one proirity in life.

[highwater]

Why was he told about dog fighting being a felony in the first place?

Because it was clear from his moronic comments that he was too stupid and ignorant to be aware of this fact.


Look in the grand scheme of things he is right.

No, he is wrong in the grand scheme of things and any other size scheme of things you can come up with. Wrong is wrong, no matter how you try to spin it.


No big deal but if your an overbearing sissy then I can see how this is your number one proirity in life.

You apparently have a brain the size of a chickpea. Who said this was their number one priority in life? People who don't like seeing dogs raised to be tortured are overbearing sissies? On what planet? You make about as much sense as your pal Clinton Portis.

[Losac]

I've come to the conclusion that crazyraven says these things simply to stir the pot and get a rise out of people. And I've taken the bait on far too many occasions. This thread really does need to be locked because it's going nowhere in a hurry.

[crazyraven]

I've come to the conclusion that crazyraven says these things simply to stir the pot
Give that guy a f*&kin pretzel. Are you just figuring this out?

l

[Rochardrik]

so hunting deer out of season isn't illegal now? Isn't that WHY they have designated hunting seasons for certain animals?

And, like I said, I'm not talking about the people who kill for food. Fine, whatever, with them. But i'd say that at least 75% of modern hunters do NOT eat what they hunt.

Your mother didn't raise any morons....., or did she? Over 90% of animals hunted are eaten. There are even food banks that take what hunters do not take home to eat. A very Small percentage hunt for "sport" only!.. The very wealthy.
Deer would be crashing through your front window, and sleeping in your driveway if not for hunting. I do not hunt.. ,a personal decision, but I know people whose freezers are stocked with "hunted' meat. When I was young, most of the meat we ate was "hunted". Hunting out of season is illegal, and I know several people who paid the consequences... 1000s in fines, and confiscation of their weapons! Which is like taking their firstborn! I have no affinity for these people, but to compare to dog fighting is simply MORONIC... and as I said, I don't believe your mother raised any morons. You, and others are taking a completely indefensible position, and grasping at straws trying to defend it!
I'm from western Md, so I know firsthand about hunting, and hunter's habits. Around here, people work all year so they can take 2 weeks off to deerhunt, amass large quantities of firearms, rounds of ammo, and tell tall tales(lies) about the 10 or 12 point buck that got away. I could not disagree with their "gun culture" any more than I do. I think the NRA is the most dangerous organization in the country,but all that said, the comparison of hunting to dog fighting is, well, just not logical!... At All!!!:hammer:

[Rochardrik]

Wow, this guy never fails to attack me and it's all because I like the Yankees.
Sigh...oh well

There is NO better reason!:rolleyes:

[highwater]

Give that guy a f*&kin pretzel. Are you just figuring this out?l

Figuring out that you are a troll that posts stupid messages to attract attention to yourself? Yeah, we get it, which is why you should not be surprised when any posts you make in the future get ignored. Even if you make what you consider to be a serious post, it will likely be ignored, because we will remember your "I like to stir the pot" posts.

[crazyraven]

Yeah, we get it, which is why you should not be surprised when any posts you make in the future get ignored. Even if you make what you consider to be a serious post, it will likely be ignored, because we will remember your "I like to stir the pot" posts.
You cant ignore me. You never could. You try but you cant. I said this before. Message board after Message board We've seen you say this before. You have no self control when it come to me. You alway say you will ignore me Yet we alway seem to see you writing post either about me or too me. You seem to take this shit way too seriously, we see it all the time. Look, Its just a Baltimore Ravens message board. We use smiley faces to get our points accross--well some of you do. Agains its a Baltimore ravens message board--Nothing more, nothing less. Say that ten times and let it sink in. Lighten up HW, after all this is the off season.