Boller last sunday

[Irishraven]

Just out of interest, how many of you were pulling for Boller to come out in the 2nd half of the game on Sunday?

I must admit, I actually was but I think it was because i expecting us to put up big numbers against the Browns. Oh well...S. McNair came through in the end so why change a winning formula...:thumbup:

[highwater]

It didn't even cross my mind. Boller's not replacing McNair in a close game unless McNair gets hurt. Which isn't farfetched, considering how stellar our pass protection is.

[BertJonesMyHero]

You must be out of your mind.
No offense.lol

[Irishraven]

I still think Boller will come good! I really do

[SykesvilleRavensFan]

You weren't the only person that thought about it. I overheard someone else say something about bringing Boller in after the half. I looked at him like he was nuts. I think he was just joking.

[VaRaven]

You weren't the only person that thought about it. I overheard someone else say something about bringing Boller in after the half. I looked at him like he was nuts. I think he was just joking.
The thought actually crossed my mind briefly also. Then again, a lot of stuff crossed my mind duing that game, like where I was going to get a new TV, how I was going to patch the holes in my wall, and whether or not the cat needed medical attention! (just kidding, I don't even have a cat :) )
In retrospect, I'm not much of an apologist, but one thing we didn't see in TV was that the wind was blowing pretty hard Sunday. Some of you detail oriented purists will have to either back-me-up or shoot-me-down on this one, but for what its worth I think most of McNair's bad passes were into a 30mph wind. That being said, some of Fryes best passes may well have been into that same wind, so who knows:insane:

[Irishraven]

I was just going by what i was reading on ESPN and on the Game day thread:(

How bad were the throws? Were there many "almost" catches?

[VaRaven]

I was just going by what i was reading on ESPN and on the Game day thread:(

How bad were the throws? Were there many "almost" catches?
Well, Heap had a couple of "almosts" due to coverage, but as I think one of The Sun wroiters put it, some of McNairs passes "...weren't even in the same zip code as the receiver". There were 2 or 3 totally miserable ones, which I'm hoping were the one's into the wind!

[larrylater]

Just out of interest, how many of you were pulling for Boller to come out in the 2nd half of the game on Sunday?


I guess I wasn't close enough to the bong, I wasn't pulling for Boller to come in. :rolling:

[BUDDAROW]

:hammer: Almost????????

Jeeze.the zip code anology was accurate

But when the balls were to the wall, the man was steel!l

As much as I've hoped that Boller would have come on as a good/great QB.......

He couldn't have done what McAir did

Better be sharper agianst SD though

But don't hold your breath waiting for Kyle

Only a streatcher riding exit would see him in, other than a blow out

BIG TEST COMMING BOYS!!!!!!!!!:hammer:

[terps3432]

VARaven, I think all of Fryes good passes and big plays came when they were down wind. We had the wind behind us in the first and fourth quarter, while they had the wind in the second and third. I feel the wind made a big difference in the passing game for both teams.

The only thought i had about Boller was how many people would be calling radio talk shows for Boller to start this week against San Diego had we lost, which in my opinion would be insane.

[MrPoeJangles]

I was thinking the exact opposite. I should note I am a Boller backer and think he was turning the corner last year, and believe our offense will be in good hands when he takes over the reigns again. That being said, I was thinking this is exactly why they brought McNair here, let's see what he can do.

[AZRAVEN]

The thought never crossed my mind. We aren't going to see Boller again ever unless McNair gets injured and even then if it's a serious enough injury they may pick up a scrap heap guy to fill in.

[Irishraven]

The thought never crossed my mind. We aren't going to see Boller again ever unless McNair gets injured and even then if it's a serious enough injury they may pick up a scrap heap guy to fill in.

I thought he looked pretty good at times in Pre - season! Do you not think he might be picking up alot of things from McNair in training and from watching him out on the field?

[braven98]

Why not your back up qb is only a snap away from being the starter,and with our stellar oline its any second now

[Raven31]

We aren't going to see Boller again ever unless McNair gets injured and even then if it's a serious enough injury they may pick up a scrap heap guy to fill in.
Why would they pick up a scrap-heap guy over someone who's already in the system?

[RAVENOUS52]

I didn't think Boller would be called upon in this game at all. I knew that the game would be close and that McNair's experience and poise would be the factor which could make the difference between winning or suffering an agonizing loss.

A 3-0 record looks great to me no matter how "pedestrian" McNair looked Sunday...A big part of that is the confidence he instills based on past performance...Boller doesn't have that going for him at this point.

[highwater]

We aren't going to see Boller again ever unless McNair gets injured and even then if it's a serious enough injury they may pick up a scrap heap guy to fill in.

That's going a bit too far, AZ -- if McNair is seriously injured, of course they'll sign somebody, but Boller would be the starter. Who in the world is out there that they could sign that would be better?

[RavensFanIAm]

Hell NO, I never once thought of Boller to come in. There's no way he coulda came in and marched us down the field. We would've had 5 false starts, and he woulda fell 2 times after he snapped the ball.

Please, NO BOLLER unless McNair gets hurt. While he has the arm strength, he doesn't have the confidence from his teammates, or the experience to win games from behind.

[Mista T]

Please, NO BOLLER unless McNair gets hurt. While he has the arm strength, he doesn't have the confidence from his teammates, or the experience to win games from behind.

Disagree. If McNair continues to throw easy passes into the dirt, he should be susceptible to benching. Thanks to a subpar Browns secondary, he was not picked off on Sunday. But so far, his performance has been mediocre (21st rated NFL QB, but 29th in YPA). Performance like that for the better part of a season would lead one to being considered for benching anywhere in the NFL.

No one - not even Ray Lewis - should be immune from benching for bad play. Let's hope McNair can step it up a few notches so this doesn't have to be a meaningful discussion.

btw: the thought on benching McNair last Sunday never crossed my mind. Billick would never throw in the towel this early in the season.

:mrt:

[Ravens'N'Hoos]

I know you don't like the "intangibles" issue, Mista T, but I continue to argue it's pretty important in this case. Football is heavily psychological, like any sport, and all you have to do is read/listen to the players' quotes after the game to see that's a large part of why we have the W after the Cleveland game, regardless of McNair's stats. I'll take 29th in YPA if our w/l record continues to look good. Is some statistical offensive improvement required to continue that w/l record? Probably, but I'm not one to complain about $33 million being "wasted" based on mediocre stats. If the w/l record continues to look very good, and a lot of it's due to intangibles and leadership according to the players, that's fine by me. And for the record, I remained a Boller supporter until last year's game at Cleveland in large part because he had a winning record. I thought he turned the corner with the GB and MIN games, but that confidence evaporated with the game at Cleveland - it showed although he can be good, he apparently can't be consistently good.


for what its worth I think most of McNair's bad passes were into a 30mph wind. That being said, some of Fryes best passes may well have been into that same wind, so who knows

According to the radio guys, we had the wind in Q1 and Q4 (it was changing), and that's when we got our points. Frye wasn't able to do anything with the wind in Q3.

[AZRAVEN]

Yes IR, he did look good at times in preseason but he has had brief stretches of looking good ever since he's been here and he's never been able to establish any consistency.
31, I think they may, and if you will notice I highlighted the "may" in my original post, bring in someone for the simple reason that it is obvious by comments from guys like Hea, Mason, Lewis that the team has totally lost confidence in Boller's ability to lead. This team has playoff aspirations and I don't believe there is anyone in the organization, with the possible exception of Billick, who thinks Boller has the ability to get them there.
Maybe it is going to far, Highwater, and maybe not. Personally, I don't think there is anyone else who would be better but that doesn't mean the FO thinks the same. IMO if McNair goes down we are done, I don't believe Boller is capable of handling the schedule we have ahead of us.

[flraven]

As for the original question, no I didn't think of bringing in Boller. I did think to myself that I was glad that McNair was running the offense instead of Kyle. While I like Boller, maybe his watching a veteran like McNair will help him later on down the road.

[Raven31]

If McNair goes down (god forbid) and Boller has to step in, do you think the team would deliberately tank the remaining part of the season simply because they may not like him?

[StingerNLG]

I guess I have to wonder if Ogden then last year at Cleveland purposely got flagged for Ineligable man downfield just to take that TD away from Boller so he could throw the game.

:grbac:

[RavenTD]

In answer to the original question,no,no,no.

Taking McNair off.The guy that gives the whole team a lift mentally,would be a huge body blow to that psyche.

[RavensFanIAm]

Disagree. If McNair continues to throw easy passes into the dirt, he should be susceptible to benching. Thanks to a subpar Browns secondary, he was not picked off on Sunday. But so far, his performance has been mediocre (21st rated NFL QB, but 29th in YPA). Performance like that for the better part of a season would lead one to being considered for benching anywhere in the NFL.mrt:

Sorry Mr. T. I have to disagree. McNair has credibility, which is something Boller doesn't have. Although he hasn't played too well so far, I'm willing to bet money that the players in that locker feel a hell of a lot more confident with McNair under center than Boller.

Honestly, if they don't do something that the Offensive line, then no one will be able to do it. I'm so sick of Pashos getting his ass whipped for every play. And the push right up the middle and in McNair's face is ridiculous

[highwater]

I don't see Billick pulling McNair for poor performance this season, unless McNair totally sucks in two or three consecutive games, but I agree with Mista T that he should be pulled if he can't pick up his game. From a practical point of view, I am sure that won't happen, but philosophically, if you aren't doing your job and pulling your weight and (insert your own cliche here), then you should get taken out.

But as I said earlier, I would be shocked if that happened. It's more likely that McNair will get hurt and have to sit for a while. I'm not predicting that will happen, just saying it's more likely than Billick telling McNair to take a seat.

[Irishraven]

Well, it'll be home for the Ravens on Sunday so lets hope the crowd really get behind the D and do to the San Diego Offense what the Seahawks fans did to the Giants...that was unreal noise!!

[Greg]

(just kidding, I don't even have a cat :) )
Not anymore, anyway. My dog went so far on one kick I had a few scouts from NFL teams come to my house.


In retrospect, I'm not much of an apologist, but one thing we didn't see in TV was that the wind was blowing pretty hard Sunday. Some of you detail oriented purists will have to either back-me-up or shoot-me-down on this one, but for what its worth I think most of McNair's bad passes were into a 30mph wind. That being said, some of Fryes best passes may well have been into that same wind, so who knows:insane:
It seemed McNair had his best drives in the first and fourth quarter and Fye's was the second. That was when they had the wind with them in every case, so it makes sense.

[52RAYVENS]

Just out of interest, how many of you were pulling for Boller to come out in the 2nd half of the game on Sunday?

I must admit, I actually was but I think it was because i expecting us to put up big numbers against the Browns. Oh well...S. McNair came through in the end so why change a winning formula...:thumbup:

I would think about that if I want to see someone trip over his own feet and fumble or throw a int. as soon as he was rushed. Boller is where he belongs. Sitting on the bench. And heres to him being there for more than 16 games in a row! :beer:

[ClericBlackDave]

I'm still waiting for this offensive explosion. So far it hasn't happened.


Yeah two of Fassel and Rex Ryan's systems, and we're seeing dividends on the 46 crazy schemes, but no dividends on offense.


now we exploded last year offensively against the bengals, packers, vikes . . . bad teams defensively but we've faced some bad teams this year and I haven't seen any real results.


We'll need more points on offense when we face real teams.


McNair is leading this team well, but there will be a time soon approaching where his production will have to match his leadership.


I never thought the QB was the only problem anyway, but so it goes . . . this o-line is this teams over-looked achiles heel . . .

[PurpleRulz]

You must be out of your mind.
No offense.lol


Priceless response.

Folks, it is over for Boller. The guy is all ability and no brains.

[Irishraven]

Priceless response.

Folks, it is over for Boller. The guy is all ability and no brains.

:(

I'm still hoping...He has got to be learning this season, he has just got to...

[lance1086]

Well, even though McNair did have a sloppy 1st half, he came up clutch in the 2nd half. And we moved the ball on every possession. Here are some numbers from the second half. And realize, these weren't easy numbers to put up. We were up against the ropes, nothing seemed to be going our way, but he still came through:

MCNAIR'S 2ND HALF NUMBERS
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18/29 188 1TD 0INT
62% Completion Pct
92.3 QB Rating
7/11 3rd down conversions

And he also had the three scoring drives in the 4th quarter.

[hurting]

Hey mods, this thread is still getting play. Shouldn't it be moved to the "Great QB Debate" forum?