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sailorsam

08-09-2007, 06:05 AM

orionsierra

08-09-2007, 06:43 AM

a USA today article (online--sorry I can't get the link) described Jamal Lewis as 'disgruntled' re his leaving the Ravens.

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"I didn't get along with Coach Billick, he didn't get along with me," he is quoted as saying. "I was ready to go." he also complained about lack of personnel moves ("Did they bring in any new offensive linemen? No.").
looks to me like they did bring in some new guys for the line. I'm sorry to see him so unhappy; wonder if he's so 'disgruntled' he won't pick the Ravens for his Hall of Fame display?
I hope he does well with the Brownies, but I think the Ravens are better off with McGahee.

Whoa, I don't know if Jamal's quite HOF ready yet. He had one really outstanding season. He's never really been the consistent back that we thought he was going to be due to injury and incarceration. He'd have to have quite a few 1300 yard seasons to be eligible for the HOF IMO and being with the Clowns pretty much eliminates that possibility.

Don't get me wrong, I like Jamal but I don't think with his current choice of team that he'll be able to get the numbers required to make the Hall.

O

PurplePill

08-09-2007, 07:04 AM

I don't see how he can complain about the O-line. They did a real nice job last season. He was the problem with the running game, not the line.

highwater

08-09-2007, 07:10 AM

I don't see how he can complain about the O-line. They did a real nice job last season. He was the problem with the running game, not the line.

Not only that, they DID bring in some offensive linemen (Chester and Brown), so he has nothing to complain about there. And considering how Billick kept feeding him carries while Mike Anderson sat on the bench, he has nothing to complain about there either.

purplepoe

08-09-2007, 07:18 AM

I don't see how he can complain about the O-line. They did a real nice job last season. He was the problem with the running game, not the line.

Umm, the offensive line did a piss poor job of run blocking last year.

Jamal's play wasn't up to par either.

But to say the Oline did a real nice of run blocking is a stretch to say the least.

For everyone around here to get what they want from McGahee this season, the offensive line needs to improve on it's run blocking dramatically.

PP

TL24x7

08-09-2007, 07:28 AM

Ravens will have plenty of bulletin board material for that game on September 30 in Cleveland. Jamal continues to run his mouth like a scorned lover if you ask me. These comments plus those that I previously blogged about here: JAMAL SHOULD RUN THE BALL AND NOT HIS MOUTH (http://ravens24x7.blogspot.com/2007/06/jamal-lewis-needs-to-run-ball-and-not.html)

Heap86

08-09-2007, 08:14 AM

Umm, the offensive line did a piss poor job of run blocking last year.

Jamal's play wasn't up to par either.

But to say the Oline did a real nice of run blocking is a stretch to say the least.

For everyone around here to get what they want from McGahee this season, the offensive line needs to improve on it's run blocking dramatically.

PP

I disagree with that. The Run Blocking wasn't the best, but Jamal was extremely slow getting to the holes.

It seemed like when Musa Smith or Mike Andeson was running the ball, they got to the holes quicker and picked up more yards.

In Limited carries Mike Anderson averaged 4.7 YPC, While Musa Smith averaged 4.3.

The Facts are there, Jamal was the problem.

ExiledRaven

08-09-2007, 08:26 AM

RavenScallywag

08-09-2007, 08:34 AM

festivus

08-09-2007, 08:55 AM

I'll respect a guy who will keep his mouth shut and do his job with dignity. And I'll respect a guy who talks plenty, but does his job with dignity, *cares* about the results of the game, and has class away from the field.

But you don't get to be ineffective *and* a whiner *and* a criminal defendant. *And* lest we forget an albatross around the neck of our offense by needing an I formation every running play. That's asking for too many breaks.

Good riddance, glad he's gone, don't especially wish him the best, bye.

yeahravens

08-09-2007, 09:07 AM

Search your memory banks, when was the last time you saw Jamal do any of the following? Run someone over and stay on his feet, juke someone out, get a tough yard on 3rd down, out run a safety, and not run into his O-linemen

I agree the line needed some help, but 2 years ago Chester Taylor ran better than Jamal, last year Musa and Mike Anderson did the same. He needs to shut up and accept his lack of performance.

awalt

08-09-2007, 09:11 AM

Man, times like these I really really really wish I had the pictures in a thread a few months ago that was either here or the scout boards.

Basically had tons of shots of plays developing and showing holes and/or cutback lanes and Jamal running into the pile or Jamal getting to the hole too slowly (ie, getting run down from behind)

This might be a good project for Filmstudy if i can look him up here...

I was just going to comment the same thing!

I am sure everyone on the OL would say they could play better. BUT - there were holes open that Jamal never saw, or was not quick enough to get through.

That guy put up sequence photos showing the holes opening, and Jamal missing them and just plowing into the back of one of his lineman for a 1 yard gain. It was pretty eye-opening.

IMHO the Ravens saw the problem more with Jamal then the OL, as that line is one they are building on, and Jamal is outta here. They could have re-signed him, but as Ozzie was quoted, "we were year to year with Jamal and now we aren't". Jamal just didn't like the next year's deal.

psuasskicker

08-09-2007, 09:28 AM

Man, times like these I really really really wish I had the pictures in a thread a few months ago that was either here or the scout boards.

Basically had tons of shots of plays developing and showing holes and/or cutback lanes and Jamal running into the pile or Jamal getting to the hole too slowly (ie, getting run down from behind)

This might be a good project for Filmstudy if i can look him up here...

Lewis was famous for his stutter stepping that caused him enough hesitation to miss holes. Someone already mentioned it but it's worth repeating:
Lewis YPC - 3.6
Anderson YPC - 4.7
Smith YPC - 4.3
The line didn't have the problem, Jamal did. He was NOTORIOUSLY slow hitting the hole last year, and it was a big problem.

Jamal's also an idiot for saying we didn't bring in any new OL. Brown, Chester, Pashos, Vincent...all these guys started games as replacements for other guys Jamal was running behind at the start of his career. In fact, the only guys Jamal was running behind last year that were the same as when he started his career were JO, who's one of the best OTs in NFL history, and Flynn, who while mediocre, isn't exactly a push-over.

- C -

PS - Only way Jamal even gets considered for the HoF is if he has another three or four 1,500 yard seasons. Won't happen.

RavensNTerps

08-09-2007, 10:01 AM

jamal has always been an asshole.

But the past 2 years he was an UNPRODUCTIVE asshole.

I don't wish him well in Cleveland at all. Did they add any OL??? They drafted like 4 in your last 2 years you dumbass. They drafted Chester and Terry in the SECOND round, and Jason Brown in the 4th, but expected him to start. They also signed Vincent.

What a prick.

If he was so disgruntled, why did he sign here for a year? Because no one else wanted that pile of crap of a RB that we had, not when Edgerrin James and even CHESTER TAYLOR were available in FA. This year, no one was there except Ahman Green (old/washed up) and McGahee (via trade).

What a moron he is. God I hate him. And I hated him when he was HERE too, so this isn't sour grapes. The guy is just a prick...in person, in the locker room, on the field.

towsonraven

08-09-2007, 10:03 AM

He has a lot of nerve saying anything about the Ravens after the way the organization stood behind him. He was let go because he couldn't perform. He is probably going to run his mouth before we play the Browns, and then he will proceed to get busted in the mouth once we play them.

Losac

08-09-2007, 10:12 AM

I still say he's just trying to endear himself to the Shit Stains' faithful in Cleveland, and what better way to do that then to bash the Ravens?

ExiledRaven

08-09-2007, 10:23 AM

I was just going to comment the same thing!

I am sure everyone on the OL would say they could play better. BUT - there were holes open that Jamal never saw, or was not quick enough to get through.

That guy put up sequence photos showing the holes opening, and Jamal missing them and just plowing into the back of one of his lineman for a 1 yard gain. It was pretty eye-opening.

IMHO the Ravens saw the problem more with Jamal then the OL, as that line is one they are building on, and Jamal is outta here. They could have re-signed him, but as Ozzie was quoted, "we were year to year with Jamal and now we aren't". Jamal just didn't like the next year's deal.

No kidding. That post was absolutely beautiful, I wish I had game footage because I'd go back and work it all out again. It was absolutely eye opening...though I personally think a lot of blame also goes to Jamal being a poor back for the "new" Ravens offense. Like Festivus says, too many problems....primarily just from a game standpoint if you REQUIRE a fullback to be effective, you're totally killing offensive versatility. I lost track of where I found this...but the Ravens were DEAD LAST in 3 Reciever sets last year at 31% of offensive plays.

Lewis was famous for his stutter stepping that caused him enough hesitation to miss holes. Someone already mentioned it but it's worth repeating:
Lewis YPC - 3.6
Anderson YPC - 4.7
Smith YPC - 4.3
The line didn't have the problem, Jamal did. He was NOTORIOUSLY slow hitting the hole last year, and it was a big problem.

- C -

I don't think this is entirely fair, even though I agree other backs would have been more effective last year. When Jamal is in the game, it says "run run run run." With Smith or Anderson in the game...well, you're not sure. Both of those guys got some big runs when they took off down the field on passing downs. I specifically remember Anderson's little TD rumble that was a joy to watch, the defense had no idea what happened.

Of course, that's also a reason why McGahee is here and Lewis is gone. If you can't do everything, you're a liability in playcalling. Rudi Johnson might not be a home run hitter, but he can play every down.

Art-Florida

08-09-2007, 10:25 AM

[quote=ExiledRaven;42454]Man, times like these I really really really wish I had the pictures in a thread a few months ago that was either here or the scout boards.

If you use Firefox, just right click on a picture you want to save and choose "save image as..."

I imagine Internet Deplorer has a similar command.

Basically had tons of shots of plays developing and showing holes and/or cutback lanes and Jamal running into the pile or Jamal getting to the hole too slowly (ie, getting run down from behind)

ExiledRaven

08-09-2007, 10:39 AM

Yup, I am very familiar with all of the computer commands and am a Firefox affectionado (I guess being an ex-enginerd has some advantages). Problem is that I can't locate the bloody thread. :bag:

Jake

08-09-2007, 10:41 AM

it's times like these where I just can not WAIT for Jamal to run into Ngata, Gregg, Ray Ray, Bart Scott, etc...

Is there a penalty for a body slam tackle in the NFL? I can not WAIT to see any of those guys just lay Lewis out on the ground.

Imagine , Jamal Lewis running up the middle against the Ravens .
Here comes Haloti Ngata from a linebacker position on a Blitz up the middle... Who do you think wins that battle.
I'll never forget the look on Jamals face as the rain slowly fell on the Hummer in which he was seated. A sullen figure clearly not enjoying what seemed to be a great day for his teammates who , walked in the procession to the cheers of the crowd. This is how Jamal celebrated a Super Bowl victory. Looking as if he had been forced to eat a bad lemon.
I hope he enjoys Cleveland more than Baltimore. Maybe those hillbillies in Cleveland can make the great Stone Face Smile.

camdenyard

08-09-2007, 12:29 PM

If he was disgruntled before, just wait until the lowly Clowns sit his ass on the bench in the 2nd quarter because they are down 17 and are passing on nearly every down. It's likely to happen more often than not.

I predict 3 games will pass before he's openly blasting his coach, his OL and the QB.

purplepoe

08-09-2007, 01:02 PM

Sigh.

Mike Anderson had a garbage 34 yd TD run vs Oakland with 2 minutes left in a game that was decided before halftime.

Take away that and his YPC was 3.9.

Im sorry, but maybe some people wanna ignore the fact that the line didn't run block well last year.

Alot of people are pissed at his Jamal's comments. Who cares? This stuff happens all the freakin time.

It's all off the field BS. Means next to nothing.

Don't get me wrong. Im happy with the addition of McGahee.

But I'll say it again. If people want to see some huge jump in the running game, the OL will have to run block a hell of a lot better this year than last year.

I think they will and Im hoping our running game will improve enough to provide a nice balanced offense.

PP

Art-Florida

08-09-2007, 01:16 PM

Yup, I am very familiar with all of the computer commands and am a Firefox affectionado (I guess being an ex-enginerd has some advantages). Problem is that I can't locate the bloody thread. :bag:

A thousand pardons. :) There was no intent to be patronizing. Those missing threads no doubt mate up with the famous 'needle in a haystack' and the Internet is a very very large haystack.

Rochardrik

08-09-2007, 01:17 PM

For 2 years, I wondered what they called that play... you know the one where we block everyone to the middle, Jamal runs into the pile, and falls down? I don't know how many times I muttered Aw, No, Not again! But when the play calling got somewhat better(Billick's), he still managed to find a way to fall prematurely.
Having said all that, I will always hold near and dear to my heart that moment last year when he "half-nelsoned" Joey Pooper's head into the turf !:rolleyes: :hammer: :rolling:

FellsPointRaven

08-09-2007, 02:00 PM

Sigh.

Alot of people are pissed at his Jamal's comments. Who cares? This stuff happens all the freakin time.

It's all off the field BS. Means next to nothing.

It happens all the time with classless malcontents. I'm pissed at his comments because Jamal has shown nothing but contempt for this organization since leaving, and he was generally feeling sorry for himself out loud for the last two years of his contract with us. McGahee is not standing here bitching about Buffalo, he's getting on with the task in hand with the Ravens.

But I'll say it again. If people want to see some huge jump in the running game, the OL will have to run block a hell of a lot better this year than last year.

I agree with you that run blocking needs to improve markedly. Having said that, Jamal didn't take advantage of the limited holes he was presented with last year and shares a lot of the blame for the lack of effectiveness on the ground that we endured last season.

purplepoe

08-09-2007, 02:30 PM

McGahee is not standing here bitching about Buffalo, he's getting on with the task in hand with the Ravens.

You're right.

McGahee was bashing Buffalo WHEN HE WAS A BILL.

And talk about shitting on a city and a team that's done alot for you.

The Bills spent their 1st round pick on the guy when they knew he wouldn't play for at least a year and some questioned whether he'd ever play again.

What's worse? Bashing your city while you're still playing for that team or whining about your former team?

Look. I'll say it again. All this stuff is for the media to feed the fans so that these discussions go on.

People in Baltimore are quick to forget McGahee's ridiculous comments regarding the Bills and the city of Buffalo because he's now a Raven.

And Baltimore fans will freak out about Jamal Lewis' comments now that he's a Brown.

Happens all the time.

PP

festivus

08-09-2007, 02:37 PM

Look. I'll say it again. All this stuff is for the media to feed the fans so that these discussions go on.

I think you're overanalyzing. Lewis does not have a history of doing stuff to motivate the fans. I think he's just griping about the Ravens organization, same as he did when he was here. Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is the best.

purplepoe

08-09-2007, 03:12 PM

I think you're overanalyzing. Lewis does not have a history of doing stuff to motivate the fans. I think he's just griping about the Ravens organization, same as he did when he was here. Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is the best.

Eh, I think you might have misunderstood what I said.

I don't think Lewis is necessarily doing it to motivate the fans. I think media is.

Why keep asking about Baltimore?

Because there's a chance you're gonna get a good quote.

I don't think Jamal Lewis is media savvy at all to be honest with you.

I think these guys say stuff and it takes off from there. The media are the ones doing the feeding and the fans are in line at the buffett for all you can eat.

PP

FellsPointRaven

08-09-2007, 03:59 PM

You're right.

McGahee was bashing Buffalo WHEN HE WAS A BILL.

PP

And Lewis was bashing the Ravens when he was a Raven. Firstly about not getting a new contract. Then about lack of carries. Then about Ricard getting canned. Then about Simon getting canned. Then about the crappy offense (had a point there).

I don't care what McGahee said in Buffalo because he was a Bill then, but if I was a Bills fan, I'd be pissed.

While the media is not blameless, it's more than coincidence that whiny, bitching quotes come from guys such as Jamal, whereas you never hearing anything but class from other players. Maybe I shouldn't let it get to me and I'm falling into the evil media trap (I ignore their agenda on most issues), but when all I hear from Jamal since leaving the Ravens is quotes more attributable to a 12 year old girl who didn't get her own way, it raises my ire somewhat.

purplepoe

08-09-2007, 04:05 PM

And Lewis was bashing the Ravens when he was a Raven. Firstly about not getting a new contract. Then about lack of carries. Then about Ricard getting canned. Then about Simon getting canned. Then about the crappy offense (had a point there).

I don't care what McGahee said in Buffalo because he was a Bill then, but if I was a Bills fan, I'd be pissed.

While the media is not blameless, it's more than coincidence that whiny, bitching quotes come from guys such as Jamal, whereas you never hearing anything but class from other players. Maybe I shouldn't let it get to me and I'm falling into the evil media trap (I ignore their agenda on most issues), but when all I hear from Jamal since leaving the Ravens is quotes more attributable to a 12 year old girl who didn't get her own way, it raises my ire somewhat.

I guess Im over worrying about what players say about stuff now.

It's blatantly obvious that most are clueless most of the time.

All this off the field crap is meaningless to me now.

I used to get all bent out of shape with stuff like this.

Not anymore.

PP

bmore finest

08-09-2007, 04:38 PM

Jamal ,Jamal, Jamal..... Why would u bash the ravens. U been drinking to much of that alley wine in cle. But since u opened ur mouth, please o please run a gut play when u see your former team. U were the problem and your new o line won't be able to save u on a gut play. thank you willis

bmorebirds_24

08-09-2007, 05:38 PM

haha how funny is this i think jamal is gonna be super happy up in clevland weather we won or lost he had to go and yap about how he didnt get the ball he can touch the ball 25 to 30 times a game get 3 wins this year and our linebackers bust his chops...hey jamal your 27 and washed up get over it thats why your in clevland while you battle for last place with the steelers keeping reading the paper and watch how we are on our way to the top get over it your not a raven anymore and i thank god and bye the way i never got your jeresey but i already got willis you looser

festivus

08-09-2007, 06:44 PM

Eh, I think you might have misunderstood what I said.

Oooh, I did. Sorry! You could be right about the media. Still, even McGahee has been reluctant to complain about Buffalo since he got here, he seems to have a "I'm looking forward now" kind of attitude.
:2c:

otherside_of_tracks

08-10-2007, 12:27 PM

heres how i look at it. Jamal is just being Jamal. At the start of last season he was on the NFL Network saying hoiw he's going to be great and that year he was at training camp and not at jail. Then when he started to..suck...again. he put the blame on every one else. He's going to say thats he's "back" this year and next year. Well maybe not next year i don't see him starting. But we'll hear him talk about our O-line some more. And he'll talk about how "great" theirs is. We'll they can go out and spand 50 mill or what ever on one linemen... that line man will still be on his ass when Greg or Ngata puts him there.

The great thing about Willis is that when he finds (or the coches find) that he's having trouble in the middle, he can still go to the outside, go for a pass, or leave the game. Willis will not be like jamal and be like "give it to me, give it to me" Sure he'll want carries but he'll see when he's having a bad game or a bad part of a game and say "You know what lets try something else."

Merlin

08-12-2007, 09:01 PM

Addition by subtraction

Sounds like Jamal was part of the poor locker room dynamics that screwed us in 2005. Good riddance.

Now I want to go to Cleveland to see how hard we'll be hitting Jamal. It could get scary

OwingsMillsAlex

08-13-2007, 11:13 AM

Think about it. Jamal was in a relationship with the Ravens for seven seasons (2000-2006). The Ravens broke up with him and he can't take the rejection so he's spinning the story to try and sell it that he broke up with the Ravens.

And yes...I posted this under Tony's blog as well (if he allows my comments to post).

Galen Sevinne

08-13-2007, 11:50 AM

I know it is just preseason but NFL Network was showing a replay of the Browns last preseason game where they tried to run to the right and Jamal was supposed to seal the left side but whiffed and whoever was running the ball for the browns lost about three yards.

Not a big deal but Jamal looked slow and confused. I am sure after the play he could have been seen sitting on the bench hooked up to the O2 machine.